[00:48] <GridCube> i still have this constant delay on vlc
[00:48] <Sysi> what kind on delay?
[00:50] <GridCube> a 0.4 seconds delay on the audio
[00:50] <GridCube> i have to manually set -0.4 to the audio sinc
[00:50] <GridCube> every single time
[00:51] <Sysi> ahem.. could be pulseaudio (or just alsa)
[00:51] <orngjce223> Yeah, pulseaudio causes such delays often
[00:52] <GridCube> why do i even have it?
[00:53] <Sysi> it's there by default for being needed for some stuff
[00:53] <GridCube> tried alsa, still has it
[00:54] <Sysi> you should try removing pulseaudio completely and possibly reboot
[00:54] <orngjce223> Wait no
[00:54] <orngjce223> You just need to logout/login
[00:54] <orngjce223> pulseaudio is userspace
[00:54] <Sysi> though I'm not sure how vlc/linux sounsystem actually works
[00:54] <GridCube> mmm let me try another player
[00:54] <orngjce223> aplay perhaps?
[00:55] <orngjce223> Or if you're talking video
[00:55] <orngjce223> I think mplayer offers a choice of which sound server it sends to (pulse or alsa or whatever)
[00:56] <GridCube> totem, works, sadly if i watch for over 10 minutes it thinks im doing nothing and shuts down my monitor, even if i have already dislabled that a gazillion times
[00:57] <orngjce223> Ugh
[00:58] <orngjce223> That's probably in your power settings though, not your screensaver settings
[00:58] <GridCube> you... where right
[00:58] <GridCube> XD
[00:59] <GridCube> fixed that
[01:00] <GridCube> but still vlc has a superior sound configurartion, there is no way to boost sound over 399% in totem
[02:32] <ball> hello preecher
[02:32] <preecher> ball hello
[02:47] <GridCube> hello preecher and ball
[02:47] <ball> hello GridCube
[02:47] <GridCube> :D
[05:42] <preecher> late reply but hello GridCube
[05:42] <GridCube> ;)
[05:42] <preecher> i fell asleep
[10:18] <wizpig64> installing xubuntu as i chat, neato.
[11:04] <xubuntu491> hello
[20:09] <beanluc> Where is the channel log? I just saw the welcome message
[20:10] <beanluc> says there'
[20:10] <beanluc> there's a log
[20:10] <beanluc> ids it on the web somewhere?
[20:10] <beanluc> TYVM
[20:10] <Sysi> !log
[20:10] <beanluc> TYVM
[20:17] <beanluc> Regarding installation: Is there ANYTHING different about xubuntu vs. vanilla ubuntu? ubuntu documentation doesn't have anything to help with a problem i'm having with xubuntu
[20:17] <beanluc> So is this  a good place for me or should i go to #ubuntu?
[20:23] <Sysi> xubuntu has different GUI and some apps
[20:23] <Sysi> !xubuntu
[20:23] <beanluc> thanks Sysi but that's true only after installation is complete, eh? heh, just kiddin
[20:23] <beanluc> in short, i used the 10.04 CD to install, but first boot yields only a grub prompt
[20:24] <beanluc> no xubuntu
[20:24] <beanluc> IDK what to do
[20:24] <beanluc> single boot system
[20:24] <beanluc> nothing fancy
[20:24] <Sysi> failed burn maybe
[20:25] <beanluc> the whole installer ran fine... wasnt until re-boot that any prob showed up
[20:25] <Sysi> oh
[20:25] <beanluc> bad burn would have had failed installer, right/
[20:25] <beanluc> ?
[20:25] <Sysi> yes
[20:26] <beanluc> OK well I'm looking for 2 bits of help: How to boot from grub prompt, and, how to fix grub
[20:26] <beanluc> thanks for any help
[20:26] <charlie-tca> !grub
[20:41] <richez> very quiet
[21:02] <beanluc> It was bad HDD sectors... nothing wrong with installation
[21:02] <beanluc> all better now
[22:31] <beanluc> Hello, vanilla ubuntu has a menu, System -> Administration -> Services... I can't find this on my brand new xubuntu desktop
[22:31] <beanluc> Any help? Thanks
[22:33] <Sysi> find out what app it is and install it
[22:35] <beanluc> "find out what app it is"... ok shall i ask that over in #ubuntu
[22:42] <charlie-tca> beanluc: usually that' s either menu -> System or menu -> Settings Manager.
[22:44] <beanluc> charlie-tca I have an Applications menu, it does have Settings (this only contains xfce settings) it also contains System
[22:44] <beanluc> charlie-tca my Applications -> System menu has lots of useful things but not Services
[22:44] <beanluc> do you know what the application is, á la Sysi's advice?
[22:45] <beanluc> charlie-tca my Applications -> System menu has lots of useful things but not Services - not Administration sub-menu  or app either
[22:45] <charlie-tca> because Services is part of Gnome instead of Xfce. Even after you install that, it won't be the same as gnome, because this is not gnome
[22:46] <beanluc> oh
[22:48] <beanluc> charlie-tca "won't be the same as Gnome" well will it be useful at all under xfce?
[22:48] <beanluc> Does anyone know of a *similar* app for xfce?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Services is a gnome menu for gnome items, I don't think much of xfce settings will be there.
[22:49] <Sysi> apps work but desktop itself stays different
[22:49] <Sysi> I guess "services" to be some upstart config gui
[22:50] <charlie-tca> no, sysi
[22:50] <beanluc> "Services is a gnome menu for gnome items" well it appears to be used for httpd, mysqld, ftpd, and services like that... those sure don't have to do with Gnome
[22:50] <charlie-tca> it is a system menu in gnome,
[22:50] <beanluc> I'm taking this from the LAMP Howto on ubuntu.org
[22:51] <charlie-tca> okay, which tells you to install lamp in Ubuntu?
[22:51] <Sysi> ugh, really hard to say about gnome stuff when you've never used it
[22:52] <charlie-tca> If you are using Xubuntu, you can look in the menus there are to find those same entries, but they will not be in the same place because this is not gnome
[22:52] <beanluc> Does anyone know of a *similar* app for xfce? I really don't appear to have a GUI services manager at all.
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu has always made things much easier/simpler for the user.
[22:54] <beanluc> Huh?
[22:54] <charlie-tca> my gftp shows up in Internet in the menu
[22:55] <well_laid_lawn> beanluc: is it a daemon controller that's needed?
[22:55] <beanluc> Lawn, could be
[22:55] <beanluc> Just a lil controlpanel showing services with start/stop/pause
[22:56] <beanluc> naturally i can just do it from CLI but I'm running xubuntu vs. totally headless for a reason
[22:56] <charlie-tca> sessions and startup?
[22:56] <beanluc> be nice to take advantage, en?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> I use task manager to stop/kill apps, session and startup in settings manager has some of that, too.
[22:57] <beanluc> very interesting... I don't have "startup" either
[22:58] <charlie-tca> You have a menu -> Settings -> Session and Startup?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> not session
[22:58] <charlie-tca> not startup
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Sessions and Startup
[22:58] <beanluc> I sure don't
[22:58] <beanluc> The only menus I have are Applications and Places
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Click on Applications
[22:59] <charlie-tca> click on settings
[22:59] <beanluc> Under Applications, there is Settings (for xfce settings)
[22:59] <beanluc> and there is System
[22:59] <charlie-tca> do you have a settings manager?
[22:59] <beanluc> with none of the useful things we're talking about
[22:59] <charlie-tca> click on Settings
[23:00] <beanluc> mmhm
[23:00] <beanluc> XFCE 4 Settings Manager
[23:00] <charlie-tca> click that
[23:00] <charlie-tca> now go to Sessions and Startup
[23:00] <beanluc> it's totally desktop oriented
[23:01] <beanluc> I don't see how to use it for daemons
[23:01] <charlie-tca> yes, it is
[23:01] <beanluc> I don't want httpd to stop when I log out of desktop so... this doesn't look like the thing to sue
[23:01] <beanluc> \"use"
[23:02] <well_laid_lawn> it just looks different
[23:03] <beanluc> It sure does: here's what we've got
[23:04] <beanluc> "Below is the applications that will be started when you *log into Xfce Desktop*, in addition to apps that were saved when you logged out last time
[23:04] <beanluc> thats under application autostart
[23:04] <beanluc> Then under the Sessions tab we've got
[23:04] <beanluc> "These apps are part of the currently running session"
[23:04] <beanluc> as in" DESKTOP saession
[23:05] <beanluc> and no9ne of these things have like start/pause/stop/restart buttons
[23:05] <beanluc> which you'd want for daemons, amirite
[23:05] <well_laid_lawn> is httpd listed?
[23:05] <beanluc> heh, well */I/* do anyway
[23:06] <beanluc> No, httpd isn't there but it is there under ps
[23:06] <beanluc> see what i mean? it's completely irrelevant to the desktop, and this Sessions and Startup thingy knows it
[23:21] <JeZ-l-Lee> does anyone know how to change the space between icons on the desktop on Xubuntu 11.04 ?
[23:23] <charlie-tca> JeZ-l-Lee: menu -> Settings -> Desktop, icons tab, the size of the icon is preset to 36
[23:23] <charlie-tca> changing that changes the length of the name and positions
[23:25] <JeZ-l-Lee> charlie-tca - is it possible to modify the space between desktop icons?
[23:25] <JeZ-l-Lee> new to Xubuntu - just installed it today
[23:25] <charlie-tca> NOt without a lot of extra editing of files
[23:26] <charlie-tca> space is preset by the developers, and not easy at all to modify
[23:27] <JeZ-l-Lee> Was using regular Ubuntu for few years, but Unity made me switch to Xubuntu and XFCE
[23:28] <JeZ-l-Lee> Gnome 3 and/or Unity is just awful
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu/Xfce welcomes all new users. However, it will not be the same as gnome was.
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Xfce does allow more configuration, but also requires the user work a bit more at doing that
[23:29] <beanluc> "Xfce does allow more configuration" hehe, not desktop icon spacing tho eh?
[23:30] <beanluc> Actually charlie-tca and Sysi, I'm gonna go with webmin
[23:31] <beanluc> for my services thingy
[23:31] <beanluc> that will work
[23:32] <charlie-tca> It can be done, you just have to dig into the code to do it. Have fun while digging
[23:32] <JeZ-l-Lee> got my XFCE desktop set my way - have a look: http://16bitsoft.com/images/Desktop_07-2-2011a.png
[23:34] <JeZ-l-Lee> I was a fan of Gnome 2.x - but that is gone now
[23:34] <well_laid_lawn> there's a port of it a bloke is maintaining in archlinux
[23:35] <charlie-tca> Has he ported it to gtk3 yet?
[23:35] <charlie-tca> That seems to be the biggest issue with maintaining it. GTK2 is on the way out
[23:37] <orngjce223> Sorry, hit the wrong button
[23:37] <orngjce223> But we've gotten two complaints about desktop icon snap in three days, :v
[23:55] <JeZ-l-Lee> .