[00:50] <froq> so I have a QUESTION... when playing with git-clone and downloading the github, how do I make it download the newest clone?  or does it do it automatically?
[00:52] <coalwater> froq, yea i think by default it downloads the latest revision
[00:52] <coalwater> unless u specify a revision
[00:52] <froq> coalwater, ok, I wondered if that was the case b/c I was not able to find any info about it out there.  thanks!
[00:53] <stlsaint> coalwater: sup
[00:54] <stlsaint> opps wrong channel
[00:54] <froq> lol :)
[00:54] <froq> stlsaint, come on man, this channel is only for those newbies who are anxious to learn!
[00:54] <stlsaint> froq: whoa i am very anxious to learn all the time!!!
[00:54] <coalwater> and ones who are bored and leave 30 seconds after asking :D
[00:55] <froq> stlsaint, but you are so well versed in the world, what else is there for you to learn?!
[00:55] <coalwater> froq, there's always something else to learn
[00:56] <stlsaint> froq: tsk tsk my good person, i am but least of the other folks here :D
[00:56] <froq> Are you guys ganging up on me now?!  stlsaint... least of **most** other people here, I am here
[00:57] <stlsaint> froq: lol alright
[00:57] <froq> :)
[01:08] <froq> you guys know of any alternatives to compiz-fusion for doing features similar to expose & spaces, et al. from the mac world?  (that is the world I came from just recently)
[01:08] <stlsaint> froq: sorry mate ive only ever used compiz (love it)
[01:09] <froq> stlsaint, ok... just curiuos! THZ
[01:11] <froq> you ever heard of enlightenment?
[01:15] <stlsaint> froq: yes
[01:16] <stlsaint> froq: heard of yes, used really no
[02:21] <kristian-aalborg> froq, there's a new distro that uses E by default
[02:21] <kristian-aalborg> www.bodhilinux.com (ubuntu based)
[02:22] <kristian-aalborg> I think the main dev hangs around here, actually ;)
[02:24] <froq> kristian-aalborg, THANKS!!!
[02:25] <kristian-aalborg> I've not tried it
[02:25] <froq> looks cool... so it uses enlightenment?!
[02:25] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[02:25] <kristian-aalborg> bodhizazen, ping?
[02:26] <kristian-aalborg> you can also install enlightenment on its own if you want
[02:26] <kristian-aalborg> I don't know what kind of features you're after
[02:26] <froq> kristian-aalborg, idk either.
[02:27] <kristian-aalborg> there's also something called cairo-dock that looks very nice
[02:27] <froq> kristian-aalborg, I just like to explore random stuff all day long.
[02:27] <kristian-aalborg> then you will enjoy Linux
[02:27] <froq> kristian-aalborg, yeah I have heard of cairo-dock, but I have heard more +++ about AWN.
[02:27] <kristian-aalborg> I just switched to fluxbox, which is rad
[02:28] <kristian-aalborg> froq, you can set up your very own desktop, control every detail
[02:28] <froq> really?!  you like fluxbox?!
[02:28] <froq> kristian-aalborg, w/ fluxbox you can?
[02:29] <kristian-aalborg> ... stop being distracted? :P
[02:29] <kristian-aalborg> and have everything done super fast
[02:30] <froq> kristian-aalborg, a lil' off topic huh?  haha  what are you suppose to being doing @ the moment?
[02:31] <kristian-aalborg> http://maketecheasier.com/10-of-the-best-linux-desktop-customization-screenshots-to-inspire-your-creativity/2008/11/28
[02:31] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.catswhocode.com/blog/how-to-customize-your-gnulinux-desktop-in-7-easy-steps
[02:32] <kristian-aalborg> this might give some inspiration
[02:32] <kristian-aalborg> I'm supposed to sleep - 3.30 am here ;)
[02:32] <kristian-aalborg> froq, how much have you been playing with linux?
[02:33] <froq> kristian-aalborg, for ~2 months, though during on of those months, my fiance' severely limited my time.
[02:33] <froq> so 3:30 am... let me think... that must put you in uh... europe?
[02:33] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[02:34] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[02:34] <kristian-aalborg> this is the smarter route to a custom desktop
[02:34] <kristian-aalborg> start with (almost) nothing... then only add what you need
[02:35] <kristian-aalborg> not seen AWN before, looking it up now
[02:35] <froq> kristian-aalborg, o so then you have less to remove... lol yea the other day I made the mistake of d/l xfce to see what it looked like... however when it came time to remove it was very difficult... could get ride of it all... eventually just upgraded to 10.10 from 10.04.
[02:35] <aayush> those were some nice screen shots kristian :)
[02:35] <froq> aayush, they are!
[02:35] <kristian-aalborg> none of them are mine :)
[02:35] <kristian-aalborg> I have one you might like to see... hang on
[02:36] <aayush> I had Ubuntu Unity.. didn't liked the GNOME so changed back to the regular one
[02:36] <froq> aayush, so what you using now?  and yeah I initially installed 11.04, but I didn't like it...
[02:37] <aayush> the compizconfig is too delicate.. if you tweak a lil bit more.. it breaks and it's hassle to change back all
[02:37] <aayush> I am using GNOME 2.32 without Unity
[02:38] <aayush> hi frog :)
[02:38] <froq> @ the moment, same here, however I really like the looks of bodhi linux that kristian-aalborg  showed me
[02:38] <froq> Who is FROG?
[02:39] <aayush> haha.. ma bad.. froq.. have been on screen since morning.. sorry about that
[02:39] <froq> kristian-aalborg, how long have you been playing wiht linux?
[02:39] <froq> aayush, no worries... I chose froQ b/c it looked so close to frog... lol  and I like frogs.
[02:39] <aayush> haha.. so how long have you been using linux
[02:40] <aayush> i used windows for 5+ years and since i have using linux for 3 weeks.. haven't went back to windows
[02:40] <aayush> except for doing some C#
[02:40] <froq> aayush, I just switched to linux from mac 2 months ago...
[02:40] <kristian-aalborg> froq, six years I think
[02:40] <froq> aayush, you a programmer by profession?
[02:40] <aayush> i am a student
[02:41] <froq> kristian-aalborg, o goodness gracious, you are an old folk! :) (comparatively ofcourse.)
[02:41] <kristian-aalborg> I wanted to show a rather nice desktop I made on a 1998 Comcrap
[02:41] <aayush> i am planning to implement linux on embedded systems
[02:41] <aayush> have you heard about beagleboard
[02:41] <kristian-aalborg> I am old by any standard
[02:41] <froq> aayush, where you goign to school?  and yes I have heard of beagleboard.
[02:41] <froq> kristian-aalborg, haha.
[02:41] <aayush> states, MN
[02:42] <aayush> beagleboard + Linux + QT4 would be nice :)
[02:42] <froq> aayush, o wow!  I am in DSM, IA
[02:42] <kristian-aalborg> the reason I asked was that a project like that might not be the very first thing you want to try
[02:42] <aayush> nice.. it's been really hot today.. :D cold coffee's keeping me alive
[02:42] <aayush> lol
[02:42] <kristian-aalborg> if you have several boxen, use one of them to play with and the other for work
[02:42] <aayush> Happy 4th of July to everyone..
[02:43] <froq> kristian-aalborg, huh kristen?  I am confused... work & play?  I only play. j/k
[02:43] <aayush> froq are you programmer ?
[02:43] <froq> aayush, yeah in DSM, it has been hotter than crap too, I am just drinking ton of soda.. silly.
[02:44] <kristian-aalborg> "mainstream on the mainframe" is my motto :)
[02:44] <froq> aayush, naw, I am a pharmacy student (last year of the 6!!!) and have recently wish I did computer engineering instead of pharmacy.  After getting my pharmD, I am goign to go get my masters in health informatics so I can get close to computers w/o starting over all together.
[02:44] <froq> kristian-aalborg, .... what does mainstream on the mainframe mean?
[02:45] <kristian-aalborg> it means... I only use software that I really trust on my main box
[02:46] <kristian-aalborg> actually, I might be misusing the term "mainframe"... but I like the rhyme
[02:46] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[02:46] <froq> kristian-aalborg, OO got ya!  yeah, I desire to build a second box here soon, just trying to figure out financial stuff accordingly.
[02:46] <froq> It is a nice rhyme
[02:46] <kristian-aalborg> froq, get a 100 dollar laptop... or a 50 dollar one
[02:46] <kristian-aalborg> or better yet, a free one
[02:46] <kristian-aalborg> :)
[02:47] <froq> kristian-aalborg, how so & where?!  those do'
[02:47] <froq> don't grow on trees...but I think I might now where to get one now that you mentioned it!
[02:47] <kristian-aalborg> just whatever old used one you can get
[02:48] <kristian-aalborg> it won't hurt if it's a decent quality
[02:48] <kristian-aalborg> but then, make a base install of a fitting distro and play around with it...
[02:49] <froq> I have a computer I did a frankenstein w/, however it was a proprietary motherboard, and I could not figure out how to connect the power/ powerlights/ hddlights/ etc. buttons to the board b/c there was no directions... I finally got it running, but then the fans spun full blast constantly... never able to figure it out.
[02:49] <kristian-aalborg> you can run enlightenment with very few resources... I think I ran it with 128 megs. once
[02:49] <froq> 128 megs?!  NICE!
[02:49] <froq> this computer is a p4 hyperthreaded.
[02:49] <aayush> @froq : computer + health = $$$$ haha
[02:50] <kristian-aalborg> this is a P4 single core... about 2003, I think
[02:50] <froq> aayush, why do you say that? ... what makes you think that?
[02:50] <froq> you running a P4 kristian-aalborg??
[02:50] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[02:50] <aayush> it's ovioius.. next decade.. health's gonna take big leap.. and bio-technology is way to go..
[02:51] <froq> nice!  I like the wide spread of computer geeks, some ALWAYS have the best & newest on the market and then there is the other side that keeps stuff for 10 years! :)
[02:51] <aayush> haha.. that's what i think.. :D
[02:51] <froq> aayush, that is my hope!  I think the same thing
[02:51] <aayush> i am doing computer engineering..
[02:51] <aayush> it's fun :)
[02:51] <froq> aayush, the best part of the health + technology combo is that most positions out there are as consultants... so you for for a computer and consult out there services... so you getta travel! :)
[02:51] <froq> aayush, I am jealous of ya.
[02:52] <froq> kristian-aalborg, what you do for a living
[02:52] <kristian-aalborg> froq, http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/lenovo-thinkcentre-a51-8132/1707-3118_7-31797736.html#manDesc <--- this is the machine
[02:52] <aayush> froq : travelling would be nice.. programmer's life sucks :(
[02:52] <aayush> lol
[02:53] <kristian-aalborg> froq, I just quit my work, starting to study in august
[02:53] <froq> kristian-aalborg, you can't be THAT old then as you stated!
[02:54] <kristian-aalborg> welfare state
[02:54] <froq> aayush, you think programmer lives suck?  Maybe b/c anytime somethign goes wrong with a program, it is the "DAMN" programmers fault! lol
[02:54] <kristian-aalborg> aayush, some programmers travel and bring the laptop along?
[02:54] <froq> kristian-aalborg, haha!!  it SO took me a moment to understand that comment...I was like "What is a welfare state?"  Then I realized.
[02:55] <aayush> hahaha.. frog and kristian.. programming and travelling would be nice..
[02:55] <froq> i love IRC.
[02:55] <aayush> A Practical Guide to Linux Commands, Editors, and Shell Programming, 2nd Edition, 2010
[02:55] <aayush> I am reading this book. it's good
[02:55] <aayush> Highly Recommended for new linux users..
[02:56] <froq> aayush, why so?!  justify yourself plz! :)
[02:56] <aayush> @froq you mean to say about the book ?
[02:56] <froq> aayush, yeah.
[02:56] <aayush> Explains the details, book has lots of examples
[02:56] <froq> o nice.
[02:57] <aayush> and it's cheap as well
[02:57] <froq> i gotta have examples.. no examples = no learning (for me)
[02:57] <aayush> can get it for like $10-$15 including shipping
[02:57] <aayush> @frog true that.. thats how you learn..
[02:57] <aayush> i am trying to learn some shell scripting and perl from that book
[02:59] <froq> o nice!  yeah I started trying to teach myself C++ a while back, but man it is so much work for so little pay off (in that I have no guidance that can recommend small *stupid* projects that help you apply as you go.
[03:00] <aayush> if you wanna learn C++  then Accelerated C++ is nice book
[03:00] <aayush> i know.. froq.. if you don't use it.. it's hard to learn..
[03:01] <aayush> ttyl.. nice talking with ya..best of luck with your work bye
[03:01] <froq> aayush, peace.
[03:01] <froq> aayush, I will look into that book! :) thanks
[03:02] <aayush> oh yeah.. definately..
[03:21] <kristian-aalborg> halp
[03:21] <kristian-aalborg> so I just did a net install... and I don't think I was asked about installing extra stuff?
[03:22] <kristian-aalborg> you know "desktop" "server" "bla blah"
[03:22] <froq> who is "you"?
[03:22] <kristian-aalborg> those who've tried this
[03:23] <kristian-aalborg> it's also in the link to a minimal install that I provided
[03:23] <kristian-aalborg> the install takes about 750 megs
[03:28] <froq> kristian-aalborg, will it ask about that stuff in the "net install" since it isn't the server install however?  I have never been asked about the extras unless I was specifically install the server OS
[03:28] <kristian-aalborg> I think it usually does
[03:29] <froq> hey kristian-aalborg what is the difference between say GNOME & Englightnment? One is a DESKTOP?  and the other a window manager... doesn't a desktop encompass a window manager?
[03:30] <kristian-aalborg> I'm confused by the terms too, tbh
[03:30] <froq> haha...
[03:31] <kristian-aalborg> a window manager draws windows
[03:31] <kristian-aalborg> a DE does all the stuff that you see... menus etc
[03:32] <froq> huh.. okay.
[03:34] <froq> so similar, yet so distenct I suspect to some.
[03:34] <kristian-aalborg> wikipedia has good articles on this
[04:43] <froq> where is the most upto date article on auto-mounting partitions and HDD on 10.10?!
[13:23] <E3D3> How can I inventarisate all my manually installed software that are not in the menu ?
[13:41] <E3D3> How can I output long list in terminal split into readable pages ?
[13:42] <geirha> put   |less   at the end
[13:43] <geirha> The first question, I don't know.
[13:45] <E3D3> geirha: Thanks
[13:45] <E3D3> I just solved it what I rembered:   > file
[16:01] <s-fox> Hello.
[16:08] <Abhijit> hi s-fox
[16:08] <Abhijit> s-fox, long time?
[16:09] <s-fox> It has been sometime since I spoke with you Abhijit, yes. ;)
[16:09] <Abhijit> s-fox, :-D
[16:09] <Abhijit> s-fox, so how are you doing?
[16:11] <s-fox> Fine thank you.  How are you?
[16:16] <Abhijit> s-fox, i m okay!
[17:15] <DodgyDave> Ubuntu virgin here who needs help. How do I connect my digital video cam to my laptop on ubuntu 11 ? Any help appreciated
[17:17] <DodgyDave> try the proverbial.......'is this thing on ?'
[17:17] <DodgyDave> have I even installed this correctly ?
[17:18] <DodgyDave> is there anywhere else to get ubuntu help ?
[17:20] <DodgyDave> is there any help in here ?
[17:25] <coalwater> hi DodgyDave
[17:26] <coalwater> do u want to like copy images?
[17:26] <coalwater> sorry, vids
[17:50] <holstein> DodgyDave: i have a flipHD... i just plug it in and go to the directory and grab the vids
[17:51] <holstein> really depends on what camera, and how the vendor has set it up to communicate to the computer
[17:51] <holstein> ideally, its presented as a storage device
[17:52] <DodgyDave> I plug the cam into the usb but the laptop doesn't even see it as a storage medium. (USB port is fine, ext HDD works perfectly)
[17:52] <holstein> how does the vendor say you are supposed to get the vids?
[17:52] <holstein> do they provide an application that is windows only?
[17:53] <holstein> sometimes those types of applications do OK in WINE
[17:54] <DodgyDave> trying to find the manual at the moment. When I use windows and a 3rd party video package (Debut) it is auto detected and I just play the tape and grab the videio
[17:55] <holstein> be sure you let the vendor know that you are having trouble using the device they created in linux
[17:55] <holstein> DodgyDave: what is the camera?
[17:55] <DodgyDave> Panasonic NV-GS60
[17:56] <DodgyDave> have tried googling Panasonic NV-GS60 in Ubuntu, but found nothing that helped
[17:58] <holstein> DodgyDave: did you try debut in WINE ??
[17:58] <DodgyDave> WINE ????
[17:59] <DodgyDave> is that a windows emulator ?
[18:01] <holstein> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[18:01] <holstein> DodgyDave: what is the application called?
[18:01] <holstein> im not seeing it in the database
[18:02] <holstein> DodgyDave: do you have the camera plugged in?
[18:02] <holstein> if not... plug it in, and open a terminal and run
[18:02] <holstein> lsusb
[18:02] <DodgyDave> yes camera is plugged in, although I need to unplug it to open the menu
[18:03] <holstein> see if you see anything that looks like the camera mentioned there in lsusb
[18:04] <holstein> if you cant tell whats what, paste the whole thing into http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:04] <DodgyDave> sounds easy, opened a terminal to install dvd players. HOWEVER, subsequently upgraded to ubuntu 11 and cant find how to open a terminal :)
[18:04] <holstein> install dvd players?
[18:04] <holstein> codecs or something?...
[18:04] <DodgyDave> yes
[18:04] <DodgyDave> couldn't watch dvds until I did it
[18:05] <DodgyDave> also installed Dragon player
[18:05] <holstein> anyways, you should be able to search somewhere there in unity and find terminal
[18:05] <DodgyDave> you'd think :)
[18:05] <holstein> *you are not allowed to watch DVD's out of the box
[18:06] <holstein> DodgyDave: hit alt+F2 and enter
[18:06] <holstein> gnome-terminal
[18:07] <DodgyDave> got it, thanks, oh and now I can watch DVD's out of the box
[18:08] <holstein> out of the box implies that you dont need to add software to make that happen, and you did need to add software
[18:08] <holstein> its due to the legality of that DVD codec
[18:09] <DodgyDave> but you need to add software to anything to watch dvd's, even windows doesn't come with codecs
[18:09] <DodgyDave> surely the codecs are public domain and I own the legitimate dvd so wht shouldn't I be allowed to watch it ?
[18:09] <holstein> depends on where you get windows from... sometimes those licences are paid, and the machine comes with DVD and other playback options enabled
[18:10] <holstein> DodgyDave: the codecs are far from public domain
[18:10] <holstein> just because you own some gasoline, doesnt mean anyone owes you a car ;)
[18:11] <holstein> i just like to make sure i mention, and try to properly educate on why DVD's dont play, and why your camera isnt working out of the box
[18:11] <DodgyDave> interesting analogy :) however if I own a license to watch a dvd in a non commercial environment, which I do, then how I watch it is up to me
[18:11] <holstein> these are things that can be challenging and frustrate a new user
[18:11] <holstein> DodgyDave: you dont own a license to watch it... you just have a disc
[18:12] <holstein> that doesnt imply anything about a codec
[18:12] <DodgyDave> anyway we're getting miles  off track here
[18:12] <holstein> and im no laywer ;)
[18:12] <DodgyDave> I ran lsusb and hey presto, line 2 is my camera :)
[18:12] <holstein> OK
[18:13] <holstein> paste that line here
[18:13] <holstein> and then run...
[18:13] <DodgyDave> Bus 006 Device 011: ID 04da:231d Panasonic (Matsushita) DVC Web Camera Device
[18:13] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l
[18:14] <holstein> paste that here http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:14] <holstein> and share it back with me
[18:14] <DodgyDave> was that sudo fdisk -l message for me ?
[18:15] <holstein> DodgyDave: yup
[18:16] <DodgyDave> pasted
[18:17] <coalwater> DodgyDave, u should paste back the url
[18:18] <DodgyDave> I pasted to the link holstein sent me
[18:20] <coalwater> when u do it gives u like an id
[18:20] <coalwater> pastebin.com/number
[18:21] <DodgyDave> got it
[18:21] <DodgyDave> http://paste.ubuntu.com/637583/
[18:22] <DodgyDave> told you I was new to this :)
[18:22] <coalwater> holstein, http://paste.ubuntu.com/637583/
[18:24] <DodgyDave> so now we know the camera is in fact connected should I download an app to use it as a webcam and to gram by videos ?
[18:25] <holstein> phone...
[18:25] <holstein> im back now though
[18:26] <DodgyDave> did you get my pste ?
[18:26] <holstein> yeah... the unit is not being presented as a drive
[18:27] <DodgyDave> which is fine as I dont want to write to it, bear in mind it is a tape digital not flash
[18:27] <holstein> you want to get the files off
[18:27] <holstein> that would be what i call 'the easy way'
[18:27] <holstein> as far as my box is concerned, my camera is a USB stick or SD card
[18:27] <DodgyDave> yes, in windows I would play the tape on the camera while recording it in a windows app
[18:28] <DodgyDave> so does your camera use flash storage or tape ?
[18:28] <holstein> OH... i see
[18:28] <holstein> you dont have storage on the device
[18:28] <DodgyDave> no
[18:28] <holstein> DodgyDave: this is *not* going to be trivial
[18:28] <holstein> just so you know
[18:29] <holstein> you'll need to use something like openshot to try and grab that video
[18:29] <DodgyDave> I have downloaded and installed VLC, I think that should be able to do it
[18:29] <holstein> pitivi, kdenlive... theres a bunch of video software
[18:29] <holstein> DodgyDave: VLC can as well
[18:30] <holstein> another good one is avidemux
[18:30] <DodgyDave> I have opened the 'Capture Device' window and it is asking me the video device name, not sure what I should put in
[18:30] <DodgyDave> should it be the name from the Terminal
[18:31] <holstein> thats going to be the non-trivial part
[18:31] <DodgyDave> ah
[18:31] <holstein> if it were me, i would try avidemux, or openshot
[18:31] <holstein> i would just keep looking for a GUI i can understand
[18:32] <holstein> OR, try and find someone who has done this before
[18:32] <DodgyDave> I thought you had :)
[18:33] <holstein> i just pull them over like files from a hard drive
[18:33] <holstein> you need to do a video capture
[18:33] <DodgyDave> indeed
[18:36] <holstein> i think they will all use dvgrab on the backend?
[18:37] <DodgyDave> I think they will have the same issue tho, how to identify the capture device
[18:37] <holstein> they dont have that problem... you and i do ;)
[18:37] <froq> holstein, :)
[18:37] <holstein> check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auO_n1aneT8 DodgyDave
[18:38] <holstein> its going to be something like that, just maybe theres an easier way by now
[21:26] <froq> holstein, I finally got the CONKY I wanted!! WOOT WOOT!!  Just takes some time, but eventually it is easy once you grasp it... just wnted to sing praise to you sensei lol
[22:06] <truepurple> Hi, can someone help me with clam, or avast?
[23:41] <froq> how do you guys upload photos from your computer so quickly?