| astraljava | Was there a meeting today? | 16:29 |
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| astraljava | Ahh... nevermind, thought I'd hit the wiki instead. :D | 16:29 |
| astraljava | ...which seems dead for a change... | 16:30 |
| astraljava | So, 1700 UTC? | 16:31 |
| holstein | astraljava: yeah | 16:34 |
| holstein | an hour and a half away | 16:35 |
| holstein | *in theory | 16:35 |
| holstein | its a holiday weekend in the states | 16:35 |
| holstein | ScottL: are you around today for the meeting | 16:38 |
| holstein | ? | 16:38 |
| holstein | hey ailo_ :) | 16:42 |
| astraljava | holstein: Right, yeah everybody's out in Mexico getting robbed. | 16:53 |
| astraljava | And no, I don't mean everybody gets robbed while in Mexico. I am pointing to the headlines which said a drug cartel was specifically aiming for American tourists this weekend. | 16:54 |
| holstein | *due to the holidays, the ubuntustudio meeting scheduled for 15 minutes ago will be cancelled | 18:15 |
| holstein | we'll catch up next time :) | 18:15 |
| astraljava | Okay. :) | 18:22 |
| ailo_ | postpone it a week? | 18:33 |
| holstein | ailo_: i was just about to talk with shnatsel about that | 18:34 |
| holstein | ailo_: we can | 18:34 |
| holstein | also, shnatsel posted https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2011-June/003391.html | 18:34 |
| holstein | shnatsel: COOL.. you're an elementaryOS dev? | 18:35 |
| shnatsel | holstein: yes | 18:35 |
| shnatsel | holstein: I'm one of the packagers, but my main role is maintaining the ISO and integrating our stuff into Ubuntu base | 18:36 |
| shnatsel | and lots of other miscellaneous work we all get now and then | 18:37 |
| shnatsel | I used to maintain a small artistic Ubuntu spin for 2 years, that's when I learned lots of things that led me to being elementary OS dev :) | 18:38 |
| holstein | shnatsel: glad you are here | 18:38 |
| holstein | we are actually focused quite heavily on audio | 18:38 |
| holstein | it would be great to have someone more aware of graphics | 18:39 |
| shnatsel | holstein: well, that might be me | 18:39 |
| shnatsel | Ubuntu seriously lacks painterly software | 18:40 |
| holstein | agreed | 18:40 |
| holstein | when i saw that post, i personally dont know enough about graphics to respond | 18:40 |
| holstein | and, when folks come in with new audio apps, i see they are usually directed to get them in upstream | 18:41 |
| holstein | however, it didnt look like those are totally differnt apps | 18:41 |
| holstein | so it might be something we can implement | 18:41 |
| holstein | shnatsel: how official is elemetaryOS ?? | 18:41 |
| holstein | seems we are quite bound to the buntu base in a way that can actually keep us from implementing some features | 18:42 |
| shnatsel | holstein: absolutely official for our project, not related to canonical | 18:42 |
| shnatsel | holstein: these apps are not related to elementary OS anyway | 18:43 |
| holstein | i guess my gerneral concern is, if these are *not* in the repos | 18:43 |
| holstein | we really cant implement it | 18:43 |
| holstein | we needed a proper kernel for 11.04 | 18:44 |
| holstein | it didnt get worked into the repos | 18:44 |
| holstein | so, we just dont have a proper kernel | 18:44 |
| holstein | for realtime audio | 18:44 |
| shnatsel | holstein: yeah, I know, trademark and such | 18:44 |
| shnatsel | holstein: no, they are not in the repos, some of them weren't even packaged. It would be nice if somebody pushed them there, though. | 18:44 |
| holstein | are these things you can push to debian? | 18:45 |
| shnatsel | I'm an absolute noob at all the paperwork related to it and I've never did it | 18:45 |
| holstein | im pretty sure that is the quickest way to get something in ubuntu | 18:45 |
| shnatsel | holstein: Debian seems to use systems so ancient that I couldn't even report a bug about it | 18:45 |
| shnatsel | I spent 15 minutes but then gave it up | 18:46 |
| holstein | shnatsel: we'll talk to ScottL about it more when he's around | 18:46 |
| shnatsel | holstein: thanks! | 18:46 |
| holstein | ScottL is the team lead | 18:46 |
| shnatsel | it obviously was not a problem to put all that in an unofficial spin | 18:47 |
| holstein | yeah... thats the issue though, we cant stray to far it seems | 18:48 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: If you could list them in wiki somewhere, we could start working on packaging them, and pushing to debian. | 18:48 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: they're already packaged | 18:49 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2011-June/003391.html | 18:49 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: Ahh... okay cool. Right, so all that's needed is to check they conform to debian policies, then file ITP and RFP bugs, and find sponsors for uploading. | 18:50 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: I really suck at paperwork | 18:51 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: Oh that's what you were referring to. :) | 18:51 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: would somebody else do it? Please? | 18:51 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: Sure. I'm in the middle of moving, so I don't have my testing env etc. with me at the moment. But if no-one else will, I'll do that in August. | 18:52 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: thanks! | 18:52 |
| shnatsel | hmm, in August you'll have to request an Ubuntu import for those packages, too... | 18:53 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: No prob. Thank _you_ for contributing! :) | 18:53 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: True, if you want them in for Oneiric, you might wanna find someone to do it faster than that. | 18:54 |
| holstein | astraljava: if you can point some things in my direction that i can handle, i'll do them | 18:54 |
| astraljava | holstein: Well, for myself to feel comfortable with uploading a package, I'd test it in a real debian environment. I'm not sure it's required, though. So just get it building against a debian sid chroot, and test that it installs there, that might suffice. | 18:56 |
| astraljava | s/uploading/asking someone to upload/ | 18:57 |
| kubotu | astraljava meant: "holstein: Well, for myself to feel comfortable with asking someone to upload a package, I'd test it in a real debian environment. I'm not sure it's required, though. So just get it building against a debian sid chroot, and test that it installs there, that might suffice." | 18:57 |
| holstein | astraljava: yeah, i cant handle that though | 18:57 |
| holstein | not in a timely manner, thats for sure | 18:57 |
| astraljava | holstein: To cut some corners, I could do the chroot thingie faster, of course. Depends then on the sponsor whether or not [s]he will upload. | 18:58 |
| shnatsel | if there are issues with those packages and I'm not here, you can always find me at #elementary or at shnatsel@gmail.com (except August) | 18:58 |
| astraljava | To be honest, I don't really know whether they test their packages in a real system before uploading. :) | 18:58 |
| astraljava | Just I assume it would be a good thing to do. | 18:59 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: Gotcha, thanks! | 19:00 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: those packages are well-tested on Ubuntu systems already, I've shipped them with my spin and discovered several bugs related to installing on a blank system etc, so now it should work just perfectly fine | 19:01 |
| shnatsel | astraljava: got your heads-up :) | 19:02 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: Good. :) | 19:03 |
| shnatsel | Also, I hear you're moving to XFCE base, why? | 19:03 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: So that gives me confidence in getting them somewhere where the devs can upload. | 19:03 |
| astraljava | shnatsel: Because the team felt that GNOME3 doesn't suit our workflow, and GNOME2 is going away for Oneiric. | 19:04 |
| astraljava | XFCE was the closest. | 19:04 |
| shnatsel | in elementary we considered using XFCE as base, we ended up having both GNOME daemons and XFCE daemons if we use some real-life apps, and some GNOME systems are greatly superior to XFCE equivalents, e.g. dconf/GSettings is far superior to xfconf | 19:06 |
| shnatsel | But, I haven't seen your apps and workflow, XFCE might suit you better indeed | 19:11 |
| shnatsel | Ok, gotta go hack something :) | 19:16 |
| shnatsel | Good luck and have fun | 19:16 |
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