| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 22:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 21:01 |
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| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 22:29 |
| * micahg waves to ChanServ | 22:30 | |
| micahg | oops | 22:30 |
| * micahg waves to tcf | 22:30 | |
| * micahg waves to charlie-tca | 22:30 | |
| * charlie-tca thinks micahg is just waving a lot | 22:30 | |
| * micahg isn't happy, we lost indicator support | 22:31 | |
| charlie-tca | How? | 22:33 |
| micahg | I think the latest round of indicator uploads | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | It left the fresh installs a while back, but I thought seb128 said we would have it until 12.04 | 22:33 |
| micahg | we're going to need it past that... | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | The only thing working all week was gtk indicators | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, any gtk2 support required after oneiric releases will be on us. | 22:35 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu will not support gtk2 in 12.40 | 22:35 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu will not support gtk2 in 12.04 | 22:35 |
| micahg | that's fine, but it will still be in universe | 22:35 |
| micahg | and we can always upload a gtk2 indicator stack to universe if we want them | 22:36 |
| charlie-tca | right | 22:36 |
| TheSheep | I didn't like the indicator plugin anyways | 22:37 |
| charlie-tca | TheSheep: +1 | 22:37 |
| TheSheep | it messed up my systray | 22:37 |
| TheSheep | in magical ways | 22:37 |
| charlie-tca | but it is the only way to get network manager to show in the panel now | 22:37 |
| TheSheep | it shows fine for me | 22:37 |
| TheSheep | once I uninstalled all the indicator crap | 22:38 |
| micahg | did he kill non-inidicator support for that, I should ask tomorrow | 22:38 |
| TheSheep | required relogging though | 22:39 |
| charlie-tca | in oneiric? | 22:39 |
| TheSheep | hmm, good question | 22:40 |
| * TheSheep checks | 22:40 | |
| TheSheep | ah, no, still 11.04 | 22:40 |
| TheSheep | so you say it won't work in oneiric? | 22:40 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 22:40 |
| TheSheep | then I better not upgrade | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | it has been disabled outside of indicators | 22:41 |
| TheSheep | madness | 22:41 |
| TheSheep | sometimes I wonder if they do it on purpose | 22:41 |
| ochosi | +1 | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | This was done on purpose | 22:43 |
| charlie-tca | Well, are we all here today? | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | At least the wiki is working this week | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | #STARTMEETING | 23:00 |
| charlie-tca | Let's have a meeting! | 23:00 |
| charlie-tca | The full agenda for the Xubuntu Community Meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | Today's agenda is: | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Old business | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Team updates | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Packaging & Development | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Bug Triage & Testing | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Website & Marketing | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Artwork | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Documentation | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Announcements | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Governance structure | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | * Any Other Business | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | Under old business, I missed some of it last week, so it is on today's agenda | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Old Business | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | 1. Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU - Carried Forward | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | and carried forward again. If anyone has a chance to research this, please do so. | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | 2. micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: any progress? | 23:04 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: nope, will try to find out soon | 23:04 |
| charlie-tca | Carried forward then | 23:04 |
| charlie-tca | 3. GridCube to begin a discussion on the Xubuntu-devel ML to find the "Top 10" FAQ items for Xubuntu | 23:04 |
| charlie-tca | * https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-June/007836.html | 23:05 |
| charlie-tca | This is started, if we don't get any input, I will have GridCube put together his best effort and we will publish it. | 23:05 |
| charlie-tca | I think this is a great way to get users to look at the website | 23:05 |
| charlie-tca | 4. start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc | 23:06 |
| charlie-tca | We haven't done this, have we? | 23:06 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: we still need this done, right? | 23:06 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think we still need to | 23:07 |
| ochosi | i think we should mainly ask for feedback on the current layout though | 23:07 |
| ochosi | otherwise everyone will come and suggest his or her personal layout as "the best" | 23:08 |
| charlie-tca | Okay. Do you want to send an email to ML or will I? | 23:08 |
| charlie-tca | We could send to both -devel and -users, too | 23:08 |
| ochosi | i can do it, but should it go to the users or dev? | 23:08 |
| ochosi | ok, both is fine | 23:08 |
| charlie-tca | It gives our users a chance to tell us what they like | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | carried forward, Action marked for ochosi | 23:09 |
| TheSheep | or more likely, what they don't like | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | Team updates - Team Leads | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | Packaging & Development | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | got to have that too, TheSheep | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | any other comments on the old business? | 23:10 |
| * charlie-tca gets in a hurry sometimes and forgets others want to speak up | 23:10 | |
| charlie-tca | All right then, let's try to clear some of these things up this week | 23:11 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: any news? | 23:11 |
| mr_pouit | mmh, yep, merges/syncs from unstable done, and I don't think there are any left | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | Great! good job on that ! | 23:12 |
| mr_pouit | also, I did some cleanup to try to have the daily builds below 700M | 23:12 |
| micahg | just smartbookmark-plugin, but waiting for the next Debian upload | 23:12 |
| mr_pouit | indeed ;-) | 23:13 |
| charlie-tca | That is working, too. Although desktop images are broken today | 23:13 |
| charlie-tca | We are making terrific gains! Thanks for your hard efforts | 23:13 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, there were libreoffice and mono in them, that was bad, and the reason to the huge size (800M) | 23:13 |
| charlie-tca | ah | 23:13 |
| * charlie-tca nods | 23:13 | |
| mr_pouit | so I didn't try to add new packages yet | 23:13 |
| mr_pouit | (pavucontrol and pastebinit) | 23:13 |
| charlie-tca | no problem | 23:13 |
| mr_pouit | and we're waiting on some lightdm changes :p | 23:14 |
| mr_pouit | maybe they'll be done for the next alpha | 23:15 |
| ochosi | btw, can pavucontrol be opened from the soundmenu? | 23:15 |
| mr_pouit | anyway, that's all I think | 23:15 |
| mr_pouit | I'd say no | 23:15 |
| charlie-tca | Good question, ochosi. I don't really know | 23:15 |
| ochosi | cause atm with only pavucontrol installed the "sound preferences" item doesn't work (in natty) | 23:15 |
| ochosi | xfce4-mixer works ok | 23:15 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, it's either some gnome program, or xfce4-mxier | 23:16 |
| mr_pouit | *mixer | 23:16 |
| ochosi | meh | 23:16 |
| mr_pouit | pavucontrol will only add an entry in the multimedia menu | 23:16 |
| charlie-tca | I like mixer | 23:16 |
| mr_pouit | *submenu | 23:16 |
| micahg | we're still affected by some library transitions, but I think that's just extra space at this point, not breakage | 23:16 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: anything we can do about that? | 23:16 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: ask the developers of indicator-sound to try "pavucontrol" if nothing else if installed? ;> | 23:17 |
| mr_pouit | I think it's harcoded, so it needs code changes | 23:17 |
| ochosi | i see | 23:18 |
| charlie-tca | It would be nice if we can get it in the sound preferences, however, Having it installed by default counts a lot, too | 23:19 |
| mr_pouit | here's what is tried currently: "gnome-volume-control --page=applications", then "gnome-control-center sound", then "xfce4-mixer" | 23:19 |
| mr_pouit | first found, first used | 23:19 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions for mr_pouit or micahg in packaging and development? | 23:20 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: any chance we can get them to add pavucontrol to that? | 23:20 |
| micahg | well, if xfce4-mixer is there, I don't see why not | 23:21 |
| charlie-tca | Let' s try then | 23:21 |
| charlie-tca | Bug Triage & Testing | 23:21 |
| micahg | but this type of stuff shouldn't be hardcoded in the first place | 23:21 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 23:21 |
| ochosi | +1 | 23:21 |
| * micahg wonders if there's xdg-sound... | 23:21 | |
| mr_pouit | yup, there's a "nice" list for the media players, they could have done something similar for the mixers | 23:22 |
| charlie-tca | +1 | 23:22 |
| charlie-tca | Testing is going great this cycle. Even if we don't get every image and test everyday, there are enough tests being done to know when things break | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | I think we should be seeing a lot more bugs against oneiric, but it might be just me. | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions? | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | Website & Marketing | 23:25 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2, knome, plantoschka : | 23:25 |
| charlie-tca | any updates? | 23:25 |
| charlie-tca | plantoschka: we need a news release for alpha2 this week. | 23:27 |
| charlie-tca | I will try to put together the release notes by Wednesday, since we release Thursday | 23:28 |
| charlie-tca | Most of the information will be in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/OneiricOcelot/AlphaNotes and the team reports | 23:28 |
| charlie-tca | The AlphaNotes page is not for public release, by the way | 23:28 |
| charlie-tca | Questions? | 23:29 |
| charlie-tca | Artwork | 23:29 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: your turn | 23:29 |
| ochosi | hm, tbh there's not much | 23:30 |
| ochosi | i fixed the checkboxes and radiobuttons to follow the new (brighter) style | 23:30 |
| ochosi | and experimented with other colors | 23:30 |
| ochosi | but that's about it | 23:30 |
| knome | (wow, the meeting is *this* late!) | 23:30 |
| ochosi | didn't get too much feedback on the theme, but what i got was positive | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, Sunday | 23:31 |
| knome | mmh, and it's 1:30am ;) | 23:31 |
| ochosi | any questions? | 23:31 |
| knome | ++ for the changes i've seen | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | I like what the theme is doing, so far | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for working on it | 23:32 |
| mr_pouit | yes, the fixed checkboxes are nice | 23:32 |
| ochosi | thanks | 23:32 |
| ochosi | any suggestions or requests so far? | 23:32 |
| charlie-tca | knome: anything on the website today? | 23:32 |
| knome | not really. i'm hoping i'll have the energy to work on it next week | 23:33 |
| knome | i've been working quite a lot with some WP plugins, though | 23:33 |
| knome | the imgcapt plugin is now pretty much done, and i might need people to test it | 23:33 |
| charlie-tca | we eagerly await that request | 23:33 |
| knome | you can see that in action in http://shimmerproject.org/project/gmusicbrowser/ | 23:33 |
| ochosi | i think the imgcapt plugin should definitely be used for the x-website, it's pretty self-explanatory | 23:34 |
| knome | okay, i'll try to set up a demo wp site up as soon as tomorrow, so you can try testing that, as well as the picslide plugin, as soon as i get some more work done with it | 23:34 |
| charlie-tca | That's neat! | 23:35 |
| knome | i'll write this in the invitation-to-test mail as well, but the feedback i need is: 1) is it easy to use 2) is there any features you'd like to be added | 23:35 |
| knome | and maybe 1,5) if something is not easy, how can i make that better OR how can iu document it so that it becomes obvious to the user | 23:35 |
| knome | anyway, the interface should be really so easy that even a child could use it | 23:36 |
| charlie-tca | great! I agree that feedback about to fix the issues is important. | 23:36 |
| knome | mmh | 23:36 |
| knome | good | 23:36 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, knome | 23:36 |
| knome | no problem | 23:36 |
| charlie-tca | any questions for knome? | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Announcements | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | TeamReports need to be updated | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | * Oneiric Alpha 2: July 7 | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | * Testing for Alpha2: July 5 | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-07-11 at 19:00 UTC | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Any Other Business | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | Anything else to be discussed? | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | I want to thank everyone for participation in this meeting. | 23:40 |
| charlie-tca | Participation will help Xubuntu grow! | 23:40 |
| charlie-tca | and, if that is all, | 23:40 |
| charlie-tca | #ENDMEETING | 23:41 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: so, I'm still going to work on the library transitions, we don't need the space ATM, but a larger cushion wouldn't hurt | 23:41 |
| knome | charlie-tca, do we have a meeting bot, or are you just throwing in the commands just because? :) | 23:41 |
| charlie-tca | I throw them there because it is easier to create the minutes | 23:42 |
| knome | ok:) | 23:42 |
| mr_pouit | micahg: ok, thanks. We've also two versions of python at the same time, but I'm not sure what's the plan | 23:42 |
| knome | i think we could get the meeting bot here as well if we wanted | 23:42 |
| charlie-tca | also, we can search the logs for MEETING and find it fast | 23:42 |
| knome | sure | 23:43 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: if we can help Debian along sufficiently to switch to 2.7 as default in unstable, I think we'll drop it this cycle, otherwise, early next cycle | 23:43 |
| mr_pouit | last time I looked, it was python2.7 and 3.2 in the daily builds | 23:43 |
| charlie-tca | If we get enough space, we could add some language packs back into the images | 23:43 |
| micahg | oops | 23:43 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: I meant drop 2.6 :) | 23:43 |
| mr_pouit | ah, ok :p | 23:44 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: there's work going on for localized CDs, idk if we need languages on the main ISO | 23:44 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: ah, forgot to mention, Thunderbird is default in Ubuntu now :) | 23:45 |
| charlie-tca | Are those going to be Ubuntu only cd's, or will they include all images? | 23:45 |
| charlie-tca | I forgot about thunderbird, too | 23:46 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: not sure I understand the question | 23:49 |
| charlie-tca | When they create language specific cd's, will they include all images and flavours or will that be just Ubuntu images? | 23:50 |
| charlie-tca | Last I heard, that will be for Ubuntu only. It will not include any other flavours | 23:50 |
| micahg | true, but I think there might be a facility for us to do it ourselves | 23:53 |
| * micahg steps away for errands | 23:53 | |
| plantoschka | charlie-tca> plantoschka: we need a news release for alpha2 this week. | 23:57 |
| plantoschka | i'll send you something tomorrow | 23:58 |
| plantoschka | goin to bed now | 23:58 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 23:58 |
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