[21:01] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 22:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [22:29] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [22:30] * micahg waves to ChanServ [22:30] oops [22:30] * micahg waves to tcf [22:30] * micahg waves to charlie-tca [22:30] * charlie-tca thinks micahg is just waving a lot [22:31] * micahg isn't happy, we lost indicator support [22:33] How? [22:33] I think the latest round of indicator uploads [22:33] It left the fresh installs a while back, but I thought seb128 said we would have it until 12.04 [22:34] we're going to need it past that... [22:34] The only thing working all week was gtk indicators [22:35] Yeah, any gtk2 support required after oneiric releases will be on us. [22:35] Ubuntu will not support gtk2 in 12.40 [22:35] Ubuntu will not support gtk2 in 12.04 [22:35] that's fine, but it will still be in universe [22:36] and we can always upload a gtk2 indicator stack to universe if we want them [22:36] right [22:37] I didn't like the indicator plugin anyways [22:37] TheSheep: +1 [22:37] it messed up my systray [22:37] in magical ways [22:37] but it is the only way to get network manager to show in the panel now [22:37] it shows fine for me [22:38] once I uninstalled all the indicator crap [22:38] did he kill non-inidicator support for that, I should ask tomorrow [22:39] required relogging though [22:39] in oneiric? [22:40] hmm, good question [22:40] * TheSheep checks [22:40] ah, no, still 11.04 [22:40] so you say it won't work in oneiric? [22:40] yup [22:41] then I better not upgrade [22:41] it has been disabled outside of indicators [22:41] madness [22:41] sometimes I wonder if they do it on purpose [22:41] +1 [22:43] This was done on purpose [22:59] Well, are we all here today? [22:59] At least the wiki is working this week [23:00] #STARTMEETING [23:00] Let's have a meeting! [23:01] The full agenda for the Xubuntu Community Meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [23:01] Today's agenda is: [23:01] * Old business [23:01] * Team updates [23:01] * Packaging & Development [23:01] * Bug Triage & Testing [23:01] * Website & Marketing [23:01] * Artwork [23:01] * Documentation [23:01] * Announcements [23:01] * Governance structure [23:01] * Any Other Business [23:02] Under old business, I missed some of it last week, so it is on today's agenda [23:02] [TOPIC] Old Business [23:03] 1. Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU - Carried Forward [23:03] and carried forward again. If anyone has a chance to research this, please do so. [23:03] 2. micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras [23:04] micahg: any progress? [23:04] charlie-tca: nope, will try to find out soon [23:04] Carried forward then [23:04] 3. GridCube to begin a discussion on the Xubuntu-devel ML to find the "Top 10" FAQ items for Xubuntu [23:05] * https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-June/007836.html [23:05] This is started, if we don't get any input, I will have GridCube put together his best effort and we will publish it. [23:05] I think this is a great way to get users to look at the website [23:06] 4. start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc [23:06] We haven't done this, have we? [23:06] ochosi: we still need this done, right? [23:07] yeah, i think we still need to [23:07] i think we should mainly ask for feedback on the current layout though [23:08] otherwise everyone will come and suggest his or her personal layout as "the best" [23:08] Okay. Do you want to send an email to ML or will I? [23:08] We could send to both -devel and -users, too [23:08] i can do it, but should it go to the users or dev? [23:08] ok, both is fine [23:09] It gives our users a chance to tell us what they like [23:09] carried forward, Action marked for ochosi [23:09] or more likely, what they don't like [23:09] Team updates - Team Leads [23:09] Packaging & Development [23:09] got to have that too, TheSheep [23:10] any other comments on the old business? [23:10] * charlie-tca gets in a hurry sometimes and forgets others want to speak up [23:11] All right then, let's try to clear some of these things up this week [23:11] mr_pouit: any news? [23:12] mmh, yep, merges/syncs from unstable done, and I don't think there are any left [23:12] Great! good job on that ! [23:12] also, I did some cleanup to try to have the daily builds below 700M [23:12] just smartbookmark-plugin, but waiting for the next Debian upload [23:13] indeed ;-) [23:13] That is working, too. Although desktop images are broken today [23:13] We are making terrific gains! Thanks for your hard efforts [23:13] yeah, there were libreoffice and mono in them, that was bad, and the reason to the huge size (800M) [23:13] ah [23:13] * charlie-tca nods [23:13] so I didn't try to add new packages yet [23:13] (pavucontrol and pastebinit) [23:13] no problem [23:14] and we're waiting on some lightdm changes :p [23:15] maybe they'll be done for the next alpha [23:15] btw, can pavucontrol be opened from the soundmenu? [23:15] anyway, that's all I think [23:15] I'd say no [23:15] Good question, ochosi. I don't really know [23:15] cause atm with only pavucontrol installed the "sound preferences" item doesn't work (in natty) [23:15] xfce4-mixer works ok [23:16] yeah, it's either some gnome program, or xfce4-mxier [23:16] *mixer [23:16] meh [23:16] pavucontrol will only add an entry in the multimedia menu [23:16] I like mixer [23:16] *submenu [23:16] we're still affected by some library transitions, but I think that's just extra space at this point, not breakage [23:16] mr_pouit: anything we can do about that? [23:17] ochosi: ask the developers of indicator-sound to try "pavucontrol" if nothing else if installed? ;> [23:17] I think it's harcoded, so it needs code changes [23:18] i see [23:19] It would be nice if we can get it in the sound preferences, however, Having it installed by default counts a lot, too [23:19] here's what is tried currently: "gnome-volume-control --page=applications", then "gnome-control-center sound", then "xfce4-mixer" [23:19] first found, first used [23:20] Any questions for mr_pouit or micahg in packaging and development? [23:20] micahg: any chance we can get them to add pavucontrol to that? [23:21] well, if xfce4-mixer is there, I don't see why not [23:21] Let' s try then [23:21] Bug Triage & Testing [23:21] but this type of stuff shouldn't be hardcoded in the first place [23:21] heh [23:21] +1 [23:21] * micahg wonders if there's xdg-sound... [23:22] yup, there's a "nice" list for the media players, they could have done something similar for the mixers [23:22] +1 [23:24] Testing is going great this cycle. Even if we don't get every image and test everyday, there are enough tests being done to know when things break [23:24] I think we should be seeing a lot more bugs against oneiric, but it might be just me. [23:24] Any questions? [23:25] Website & Marketing [23:25] pleia2, knome, plantoschka : [23:25] any updates? [23:27] plantoschka: we need a news release for alpha2 this week. [23:28] I will try to put together the release notes by Wednesday, since we release Thursday [23:28] Most of the information will be in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/OneiricOcelot/AlphaNotes and the team reports [23:28] The AlphaNotes page is not for public release, by the way [23:29] Questions? [23:29] Artwork [23:29] ochosi: your turn [23:30] hm, tbh there's not much [23:30] i fixed the checkboxes and radiobuttons to follow the new (brighter) style [23:30] and experimented with other colors [23:30] but that's about it [23:30] (wow, the meeting is *this* late!) [23:31] didn't get too much feedback on the theme, but what i got was positive [23:31] Yeah, Sunday [23:31] mmh, and it's 1:30am ;) [23:31] any questions? [23:31] ++ for the changes i've seen [23:31] I like what the theme is doing, so far [23:32] Thanks for working on it [23:32] yes, the fixed checkboxes are nice [23:32] thanks [23:32] any suggestions or requests so far? [23:32] knome: anything on the website today? [23:33] not really. i'm hoping i'll have the energy to work on it next week [23:33] i've been working quite a lot with some WP plugins, though [23:33] the imgcapt plugin is now pretty much done, and i might need people to test it [23:33] we eagerly await that request [23:33] you can see that in action in http://shimmerproject.org/project/gmusicbrowser/ [23:34] i think the imgcapt plugin should definitely be used for the x-website, it's pretty self-explanatory [23:34] okay, i'll try to set up a demo wp site up as soon as tomorrow, so you can try testing that, as well as the picslide plugin, as soon as i get some more work done with it [23:35] That's neat! [23:35] i'll write this in the invitation-to-test mail as well, but the feedback i need is: 1) is it easy to use 2) is there any features you'd like to be added [23:35] and maybe 1,5) if something is not easy, how can i make that better OR how can iu document it so that it becomes obvious to the user [23:36] anyway, the interface should be really so easy that even a child could use it [23:36] great! I agree that feedback about to fix the issues is important. [23:36] mmh [23:36] good [23:36] Thanks, knome [23:36] no problem [23:37] any questions for knome? [23:37] TOPIC - Announcements [23:37] TeamReports need to be updated [23:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports [23:38] * Oneiric Alpha 2: July 7 [23:38] * Testing for Alpha2: July 5 [23:38] The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-07-11 at 19:00 UTC [23:39] TOPIC - Any Other Business [23:39] Anything else to be discussed? [23:40] I want to thank everyone for participation in this meeting. [23:40] Participation will help Xubuntu grow! [23:40] and, if that is all, [23:41] #ENDMEETING [23:41] mr_pouit: so, I'm still going to work on the library transitions, we don't need the space ATM, but a larger cushion wouldn't hurt [23:41] charlie-tca, do we have a meeting bot, or are you just throwing in the commands just because? :) [23:42] I throw them there because it is easier to create the minutes [23:42] ok:) [23:42] micahg: ok, thanks. We've also two versions of python at the same time, but I'm not sure what's the plan [23:42] i think we could get the meeting bot here as well if we wanted [23:42] also, we can search the logs for MEETING and find it fast [23:43] sure [23:43] mr_pouit: if we can help Debian along sufficiently to switch to 2.7 as default in unstable, I think we'll drop it this cycle, otherwise, early next cycle [23:43] last time I looked, it was python2.7 and 3.2 in the daily builds [23:43] If we get enough space, we could add some language packs back into the images [23:43] oops [23:43] mr_pouit: I meant drop 2.6 :) [23:44] ah, ok :p [23:44] charlie-tca: there's work going on for localized CDs, idk if we need languages on the main ISO [23:45] charlie-tca: ah, forgot to mention, Thunderbird is default in Ubuntu now :) [23:45] Are those going to be Ubuntu only cd's, or will they include all images? [23:46] I forgot about thunderbird, too [23:49] charlie-tca: not sure I understand the question [23:50] When they create language specific cd's, will they include all images and flavours or will that be just Ubuntu images? [23:50] Last I heard, that will be for Ubuntu only. It will not include any other flavours [23:53] true, but I think there might be a facility for us to do it ourselves [23:53] * micahg steps away for errands [23:57] charlie-tca> plantoschka: we need a news release for alpha2 this week. [23:58] i'll send you something tomorrow [23:58] goin to bed now [23:58] Thanks