[21:01] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 22:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:30]  * micahg waves to ChanServ 
[22:30] <micahg> oops
[22:30]  * micahg waves to tcf
[22:30]  * micahg waves to charlie-tca 
[22:30]  * charlie-tca thinks micahg is just waving a lot
[22:31]  * micahg isn't happy, we lost indicator support
[22:33] <charlie-tca> How?
[22:33] <micahg> I think the latest round of indicator uploads
[22:33] <charlie-tca> It left the fresh installs a while back, but I thought seb128 said we would have it until 12.04
[22:34] <micahg> we're going to need it past that...
[22:34] <charlie-tca> The only thing working all week was gtk indicators
[22:35] <charlie-tca> Yeah, any gtk2 support required after oneiric releases will be on us.
[22:35] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu will not support gtk2 in 12.40
[22:35] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu will not support gtk2 in 12.04
[22:35] <micahg> that's fine, but it will still be in universe
[22:36] <micahg> and we can always upload a gtk2 indicator stack to universe if we want them
[22:36] <charlie-tca> right
[22:37] <TheSheep> I didn't like the indicator plugin anyways
[22:37] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: +1
[22:37] <TheSheep> it messed up my systray
[22:37] <TheSheep> in magical ways
[22:37] <charlie-tca> but it is the only way to get network manager to show in the panel now
[22:37] <TheSheep> it shows fine for me
[22:38] <TheSheep> once I uninstalled all the indicator crap
[22:38] <micahg> did he kill non-inidicator support for that, I should ask tomorrow
[22:39] <TheSheep> required relogging though
[22:39] <charlie-tca> in oneiric?
[22:40] <TheSheep> hmm, good question
[22:40]  * TheSheep checks
[22:40] <TheSheep> ah, no, still 11.04
[22:40] <TheSheep> so you say it won't work in oneiric?
[22:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:41] <TheSheep> then I better not upgrade
[22:41] <charlie-tca> it has been disabled outside of indicators
[22:41] <TheSheep> madness
[22:41] <TheSheep> sometimes I wonder if they do it on purpose
[22:41] <ochosi> +1
[22:43] <charlie-tca> This was done on purpose
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Well, are we all here today?
[22:59] <charlie-tca> At least the wiki is working this week
[23:00] <charlie-tca> #STARTMEETING
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Let's have a meeting!
[23:01] <charlie-tca> The full agenda for the Xubuntu Community Meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Today's agenda is:
[23:01] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[23:01] <charlie-tca> * Team updates
[23:01] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[23:01] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[23:01] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[23:01] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[23:01] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[23:01] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[23:01] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
[23:01] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Under old business, I missed some of it last week, so it is on today's agenda
[23:02] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old Business
[23:03] <charlie-tca> 1.     Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU - Carried Forward
[23:03] <charlie-tca> and carried forward again. If anyone has a chance to research this, please do so.
[23:03] <charlie-tca> 2. micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras
[23:04] <charlie-tca> micahg: any progress?
[23:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: nope, will try to find out soon
[23:04] <charlie-tca> Carried forward then
[23:04] <charlie-tca> 3. GridCube to begin a discussion on the Xubuntu-devel ML to find the "Top 10" FAQ items for Xubuntu
[23:05] <charlie-tca> * https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-June/007836.html
[23:05] <charlie-tca> This is started, if we don't get any input, I will have GridCube put together his best effort and we will publish it.
[23:05] <charlie-tca> I think this is a great way to get users to look at the website
[23:06] <charlie-tca> 4.     start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc
[23:06] <charlie-tca> We haven't done this, have we?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> ochosi: we still need this done, right?
[23:07] <ochosi> yeah, i think we still need to
[23:07] <ochosi> i think we should mainly ask for feedback on the current layout though
[23:08] <ochosi> otherwise everyone will come and suggest his or her personal layout as "the best"
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Okay. Do you want to send an email to ML or will I?
[23:08] <charlie-tca> We could send to both -devel and -users, too
[23:08] <ochosi> i can do it, but should it go to the users or dev?
[23:08] <ochosi> ok, both is fine
[23:09] <charlie-tca> It gives our users a chance to tell us what they like
[23:09] <charlie-tca> carried forward, Action marked for ochosi
[23:09] <TheSheep> or more likely, what they don't like
[23:09] <charlie-tca> Team updates - Team Leads
[23:09] <charlie-tca> Packaging & Development
[23:09] <charlie-tca> got to have that too, TheSheep 
[23:10] <charlie-tca> any other comments on the old business?
[23:10]  * charlie-tca gets in a hurry sometimes and forgets others want to speak up
[23:11] <charlie-tca> All right then, let's try to clear some of these things up this week
[23:11] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: any news?
[23:12] <mr_pouit> mmh, yep, merges/syncs from unstable done, and I don't think there are any left
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Great! good job on that !
[23:12] <mr_pouit> also, I did some cleanup to try to have the daily builds below 700M
[23:12] <micahg> just smartbookmark-plugin, but waiting for the next Debian upload
[23:13] <mr_pouit> indeed ;-)
[23:13] <charlie-tca> That is working, too. Although desktop images are broken today
[23:13] <charlie-tca> We are making terrific gains! Thanks for your hard efforts
[23:13] <mr_pouit> yeah, there were libreoffice and mono in them, that was bad, and the reason to the huge size (800M)
[23:13] <charlie-tca> ah
[23:13]  * charlie-tca nods
[23:13] <mr_pouit> so I didn't try to add new packages yet
[23:13] <mr_pouit> (pavucontrol and pastebinit)
[23:13] <charlie-tca> no problem
[23:14] <mr_pouit> and we're waiting on some lightdm changes :p
[23:15] <mr_pouit> maybe they'll be done for the next alpha
[23:15] <ochosi> btw, can pavucontrol be opened from the soundmenu?
[23:15] <mr_pouit> anyway, that's all I think
[23:15] <mr_pouit> I'd say no
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Good question, ochosi. I don't really know
[23:15] <ochosi> cause atm with only pavucontrol installed the "sound preferences" item doesn't work (in natty)
[23:15] <ochosi> xfce4-mixer works ok
[23:16] <mr_pouit> yeah, it's either some gnome program, or xfce4-mxier
[23:16] <mr_pouit> *mixer
[23:16] <ochosi> meh
[23:16] <mr_pouit> pavucontrol will only add an entry in the multimedia menu
[23:16] <charlie-tca> I like mixer
[23:16] <mr_pouit> *submenu
[23:16] <micahg> we're still affected by some library transitions, but I think that's just extra space at this point, not breakage
[23:16] <ochosi> mr_pouit: anything we can do about that?
[23:17] <mr_pouit> ochosi: ask the developers of indicator-sound to try "pavucontrol" if nothing else if installed? ;>
[23:17] <mr_pouit> I think it's harcoded, so it needs code changes
[23:18] <ochosi> i see
[23:19] <charlie-tca> It would be nice if we can get it in the sound preferences, however, Having it installed by default counts a lot, too
[23:19] <mr_pouit> here's what is tried currently: "gnome-volume-control --page=applications", then "gnome-control-center sound", then "xfce4-mixer"
[23:19] <mr_pouit> first found, first used
[23:20] <charlie-tca> Any questions for mr_pouit or micahg in packaging and development?
[23:20] <charlie-tca> micahg: any chance we can get them to add pavucontrol to that?
[23:21] <micahg> well, if xfce4-mixer is there, I don't see why not
[23:21] <charlie-tca> Let' s try then
[23:21] <charlie-tca> Bug Triage & Testing
[23:21] <micahg> but this type of stuff shouldn't be hardcoded in the first place
[23:21] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:21] <ochosi> +1
[23:21]  * micahg wonders if there's xdg-sound...
[23:22] <mr_pouit> yup, there's a "nice" list for the media players, they could have done something similar for the mixers
[23:22] <charlie-tca> +1
[23:24] <charlie-tca> Testing is going great this cycle. Even if we don't get every image and test everyday, there are enough tests being done to know when things break
[23:24] <charlie-tca> I think we should be seeing a lot more bugs against oneiric, but it might be just me.
[23:24] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Website & Marketing
[23:25] <charlie-tca> pleia2, knome, plantoschka :
[23:25] <charlie-tca> any updates?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> plantoschka: we need a news release for alpha2 this week. 
[23:28] <charlie-tca> I will try to put together the release notes by Wednesday, since we release Thursday
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Most of the information will be in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/OneiricOcelot/AlphaNotes and the team reports
[23:28] <charlie-tca> The AlphaNotes page is not for public release, by the way
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Questions?
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Artwork
[23:29] <charlie-tca> ochosi: your turn
[23:30] <ochosi> hm, tbh there's not much
[23:30] <ochosi> i fixed the checkboxes and radiobuttons to follow the new (brighter) style
[23:30] <ochosi> and experimented with other colors
[23:30] <ochosi> but that's about it
[23:30] <knome> (wow, the meeting is *this* late!)
[23:31] <ochosi> didn't get too much feedback on the theme, but what i got was positive
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Yeah, Sunday 
[23:31] <knome> mmh, and it's 1:30am ;)
[23:31] <ochosi> any questions?
[23:31] <knome> ++ for the changes i've seen
[23:31] <charlie-tca> I like what the theme is doing, so far
[23:32] <charlie-tca> Thanks for working on it
[23:32] <mr_pouit> yes, the fixed checkboxes are nice
[23:32] <ochosi> thanks
[23:32] <ochosi> any suggestions or requests so far?
[23:32] <charlie-tca> knome: anything on the website today?
[23:33] <knome> not really. i'm hoping i'll have the energy to work on it next week
[23:33] <knome> i've been working quite a lot with some WP plugins, though
[23:33] <knome> the imgcapt plugin is now pretty much done, and i might need people to test it
[23:33] <charlie-tca> we eagerly await that request
[23:33] <knome> you can see that in action in http://shimmerproject.org/project/gmusicbrowser/
[23:34] <ochosi> i think the imgcapt plugin should definitely be used for the x-website, it's pretty self-explanatory
[23:34] <knome> okay, i'll try to set up a demo wp site up as soon as tomorrow, so you can try testing that, as well as the picslide plugin, as soon as i get some more work done with it
[23:35] <charlie-tca> That's neat!
[23:35] <knome> i'll write this in the invitation-to-test mail as well, but the feedback i need is: 1) is it easy to use 2) is there any features you'd like to be added
[23:35] <knome> and maybe 1,5) if something is not easy, how can i make that better OR how can iu document it so that it becomes obvious to the user
[23:36] <knome> anyway, the interface should be really so easy that even a child could use it
[23:36] <charlie-tca> great! I agree that feedback about to fix the issues is important.
[23:36] <knome> mmh
[23:36] <knome> good
[23:36] <charlie-tca> Thanks, knome 
[23:36] <knome> no problem
[23:37] <charlie-tca> any questions for knome?
[23:37] <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Announcements
[23:37] <charlie-tca> TeamReports need to be updated
[23:37] <charlie-tca>         https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[23:38] <charlie-tca> * Oneiric Alpha 2: July 7
[23:38] <charlie-tca>  * Testing for Alpha2: July 5
[23:38] <charlie-tca> The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-07-11 at 19:00 UTC
[23:39] <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Any Other Business
[23:39] <charlie-tca> Anything else to be discussed?
[23:40] <charlie-tca> I want to thank everyone for participation in this meeting. 
[23:40] <charlie-tca> Participation will help Xubuntu grow!
[23:40] <charlie-tca> and, if that is all, 
[23:41] <charlie-tca> #ENDMEETING
[23:41] <micahg> mr_pouit: so, I'm still going to work on the library transitions, we don't need the space ATM, but a larger cushion wouldn't hurt
[23:41] <knome> charlie-tca, do we have a meeting bot, or are you just throwing in the commands just because? :)
[23:42] <charlie-tca> I throw them there because it is easier to create the minutes
[23:42] <knome> ok:)
[23:42] <mr_pouit> micahg: ok, thanks. We've also two versions of python at the same time, but I'm not sure what's the plan
[23:42] <knome> i think we could get the meeting bot here as well if we wanted
[23:42] <charlie-tca> also, we can search the logs for MEETING and find it fast
[23:43] <knome> sure
[23:43] <micahg> mr_pouit: if we can help Debian along sufficiently to switch to 2.7 as default in unstable, I think we'll drop it this cycle, otherwise, early next cycle
[23:43] <mr_pouit> last time I looked, it was python2.7 and 3.2 in the daily builds
[23:43] <charlie-tca> If we get enough space, we could add some language packs back into the images
[23:43] <micahg> oops
[23:43] <micahg> mr_pouit: I meant drop 2.6 :)
[23:44] <mr_pouit> ah, ok :p
[23:44] <micahg> charlie-tca: there's work going on for localized CDs, idk if we need languages on the main ISO
[23:45] <micahg> charlie-tca: ah, forgot to mention, Thunderbird is default in Ubuntu now :)
[23:45] <charlie-tca> Are those going to be Ubuntu only cd's, or will they include all images?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I forgot about thunderbird, too
[23:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: not sure I understand the question
[23:50] <charlie-tca> When they create language specific cd's, will they include all images and flavours or will that be just Ubuntu images?
[23:50] <charlie-tca> Last I heard, that will be for Ubuntu only. It will not include any other flavours
[23:53] <micahg> true, but I think there might be a facility for us to do it ourselves
[23:53]  * micahg steps away for errands
[23:57] <plantoschka> charlie-tca> plantoschka: we need a news release for alpha2 this week. 
[23:58] <plantoschka> i'll send you something tomorrow
[23:58] <plantoschka> goin to bed now
[23:58] <charlie-tca> Thanks