[00:13] <hads> Anyone know any currently-available-in-NZ working USB WiFi adapters?
[00:38] <mwhudson> hads: the ones sold by DSE seemed to work ok, although i don't know about current availability
[00:39]  * ajmitch had awful trouble with one bought from DSE with a ralink chipset, it was a linksys-branded adpater
[00:40] <hads> mwhudson: Thanks, I've got a customer asking for one so looking for resaleable ones. No experience with them myself which always makes it more interesting.
[00:40] <mwhudson> hads: ah, fair enough
[00:40] <hads> I remember a ralink one years ago that did work and them the driver was removed from the kernel
[00:40] <mwhudson> ajmitch: funnily enough the DSE branded one worked fine
[00:40] <ajmitch> you'll also find that similar model names can end up with different chipsets
[00:41] <mwhudson> although yes, that aspect does lead to fun
[00:41] <ajmitch> it gets very frustrating trying to track down :)
[00:42] <hads> Yeah, same thing with routers, dvb cards etc. very annoying.
[00:43] <mwhudson> i paid $20 or something more for my laptop to get a known intel wifi chip rather than "lenovo wifi"
[00:44] <ajmitch> I have intel wifi as well, but it wasn't always the most reliable
[00:44] <ajmitch> most of that was due to overheating though
[00:44] <hads> I've had two thinkpads with Intel, both disconnect occasionally and need a power down/up to fix it.
[00:45] <ajmitch> I got used to running rmmod & modprobe to reload the driver
[00:46] <mwhudson> just goes to show noone gets it right all of the time i guess
[00:46] <mwhudson> "03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 (rev 34)" seems to work fine though
[00:46] <hads> Yeah, sometimes that works ajmitch, sometimes not.
[00:46] <mwhudson> way better than the atheros thingy in my macbook anywya
[00:47] <hads> Mines a 5300
[00:47] <ajmitch> 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[00:48] <ajmitch> mine's probably slightly older
[01:43] <snail> anyone know who is behind http://matapuna.thinktank.co.nz/ ?
[01:54] <ibeardslee> Dave Moskovitz ?
[02:06] <ojwb> indeed, there's a "contact Dave" in the last paragraph where Dave is a link
[02:07] <ojwb> actually, it's all a link
[02:07] <ojwb> just in nearly the same colour
[02:47] <snail> the project has a source forge page which shows a single commit ~ 7 years ago
[02:49] <ibeardslee> oh
[02:53] <ajmitch> that's a bit dated
[05:57] <hads> Damn. Someone just emailed to say that our website doesn't work in IE9.
[05:58] <ajmitch> what a shame
[06:03] <hads> I think I'm going to stop thinking about IE6.
[06:04] <ajmitch> the sooner it dies, the better
[06:05] <ojwb> even MS agree there: http://www.ie6countdown.com/
[06:06] <ajmitch> MS just disagree on which browser you should switch to :)
[06:06] <hads> Just what I was thinking.
[06:06] <ojwb> that site would read better if they did s/6//g on it
[06:09] <hads> Interesting. Over the past 6 months, FF counts 39% of visits vs. IE 26% though revenue from IE beats FF by 1.5 times.
[06:09] <ojwb> those FF cheapskates
[06:09] <ajmitch> must be those linux zealots, they never pay for anything
[06:10] <hads> haha
[06:10] <ojwb> is FF on windows different to FF on linux?
[06:10] <hads> It can be, just looking at that.
[06:13] <hads> Windows revenue beats Linux by around 6.5x
[06:14] <hads> Linux and Mac are quite close.
[06:15] <ojwb> per page view?
[06:16] <hads> Total revenue
[06:16] <hads> Windows makes up 72% of all visits with FF+IE+Chrome
[06:16] <hads> Sorry, plus 1.5% for Opera
[06:17] <ojwb> so probably not so different per visit
[06:18]  * ojwb wonders where network manager has gone
[06:24] <ojwb> hmm, uninstalled somehow
[06:27] <mwhudson> congrats?
[06:28] <mwhudson> although nm has only really annoyed me once in the last year or so
[06:31] <ojwb> mwhudson: well, I can't say I like it
[06:31] <ojwb> but if I'm going to uninstall it, I'd like something else to do its job
[06:31] <hads> heh
[06:31] <ojwb> now it just seems to think eth0 isn't managed
[06:32] <ojwb> hmm, think I'll have to try turning it off and on again
[06:32] <hads> DO you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:32] <hads> From memory if an if is mentioned there then NM won't do stuff.
[06:35] <hads> I wonder if this passport photo will pass the inspection. I'll send it anyway and see what happens.
[06:35] <hads> Right, off.
[06:36] <ojwb> allow-hotplug eth0
[06:36] <ojwb> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[06:36] <ojwb> not sure if that's normally there
[06:36]  * ojwb tries removing it
[06:40] <ojwb> hads: cool, that fixed it - thanks
[10:02] <hads> ojwb: Neat.
[20:20] <chilts> morning
[20:20] <chilts> wow, I was first for a change!
[20:25] <ajmitch> morning
[20:25] <ajmitch> yeah, I'm not even at work yet
[20:48]  * chilts is on the train
[21:00] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:49] <hads> Morning
[22:09] <snail> mōrena everyone.
[23:29] <mwhudson> morning
[23:49] <Atamira> morena