[02:59] <jdeslip> Hi All
[02:59] <jdeslip> Anyone here for the meeting??
[03:00] <grantbow> o/
[03:01] <sn9> what?
[03:01] <sn9> tonight?
[03:01] <jdeslip> I'll give it a few minutes to see if any stragglers come in
[03:01] <jdeslip> Yep tonight.
[03:02] <sn9> heh
[03:02] <grantbow> ah, summer...
[03:02] <rww> \o
[03:02] <jdeslip> I guess I botched it and forgot to send out the email reminder :/
[03:02] <sn9> :D
[03:03] <grantbow> Happy 3rd of July everyone. :-)
[03:03] <jdeslip> But, I did go to the county fair... So, the day was a complete waste
[03:03] <jdeslip> I felt very patriotic there
[03:03] <sn9> yes, happy day after day after canada day :P
[03:03] <jdeslip> nice
[03:03] <rww> happy Canadian-USA border crossing day?
[03:04] <grantbow> is it?
[03:04] <sn9> idk
[03:04] <jdeslip> OK, lets get started on the meeting
[03:04] <MarkDude> IS there a meeting?
[03:04] <rww> If Canada day is the 1st, and Independence Day is the 4th, I figure the celebrations are somewhere in between right now :P
[03:04] <jdeslip> ------------------------ Meeting Begins -------------------------
[03:05] <jdeslip> Thanks for coming everyone who is here even though I forgot the announcement.  (pleia2 is going to kill me)
[03:05] <sn9> MarkDude: i think the zeroth item on the meeting agenda is whether there is a meeting
[03:05] <jdeslip> sn9: MarkDude: we do have one agenda item to at least bring to people's attention. So it is on.
[03:05] <MarkDude> Well we can start arguing about stuff- for old times sake :D
[03:05]  * MarkDude kids
[03:05] <rww> jdeslip: this action would be in line with other historical triumvirates
[03:05] <jdeslip> But first, let's start with announcements.  Anyone got any?
[03:06] <sn9> MarkDude: that's last
[03:06] <MarkDude> July 16th
[03:06] <grantbow> sn9: short meetings are not a crime. Anyone who's present can participate. no quorum required.
[03:06] <MarkDude> Geeknic in Los Gatos
[03:06] <sn9> grantbow: old news
[03:06]  * MarkDude will email about it to ML and LUGS
[03:06] <jdeslip> sounds good
[03:06] <MarkDude> Lets argue about it G XD
[03:07]  * MarkDude likes quorums - lol
[03:07] <jdeslip> Any other announcements?
[03:07] <sn9> linuxpicnic?
[03:07] <grantbow> Oregon events are soon. not sure who's going.
[03:07] <sn9> for august, that is
[03:07] <grantbow> sn9: yes, good point
[03:07] <jdeslip> sn9: Ya, August 27
[03:08] <jdeslip> last year Ubuntu had a table there.  We should look into doing another one.
[03:08] <grantbow> www.linuxpicnic.org
[03:08] <jdeslip> Ok, I'll add that as an agenda item for the next meeting (Linux picnic planning and registration)
[03:09] <grantbow> great
[03:09] <jdeslip> So, we can a count of how many people are going and what we want to do
[03:10] <jdeslip> Ok, so our only agenda item for the meeting is to review our approval application here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/ApprovalApplication2011
[03:10] <MarkDude> Oh, Google+ rocks, bigtime
[03:10] <jdeslip> MarkDude: agreed on that count
[03:10] <jdeslip> Has anyone had a chance to review the application?
[03:10] <jdeslip> Any comments.
[03:11] <jdeslip> As it stands now, it looks pretty good to me.  But a few things are missing.  Long term goals for one.
[03:12] <MarkDude> besides lack of penguin pics- looks good
[03:12] <MarkDude> Nice and orderly- people did some great work on it
[03:12] <MarkDude> Nice job
[03:14] <grantbow> I think goals would be useful.
[03:14] <jdeslip> agreed
[03:14] <jdeslip> Any suggestions?
[03:15] <seidos> hello, i for one would like to figure out a way to get excited about a project again
[03:15] <seidos> the only thing i can think of is propaganda
[03:15] <grantbow> Perhaps the elected folks could talk and make a proposal or host a discussion.
[03:15] <seidos> creation of propaganda that is
[03:18] <grantbow> Perhaps a call for suggestions on the mail list would get more input too.
[03:18] <rww> didn't we brainstorm goals last meeting?
[03:20] <jdeslip> rww: Yes I think so.  Perhaps it is time to just send suggestion to the mailing list and pick something.
[03:20] <jdeslip> I think the idea is to get the application off sometime in the next week or so
[03:20] <grantbow> yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11June19
[03:21] <jdeslip> I'll review the log with DarkwingDuck and pleia2, make a suggestion and send it to the list
[03:22] <jdeslip> Ok, so there is actually a second agenda item for the meeting that I missed.  Which is a suggestion by grant that we limit the addition of new topics to the meeting to 24 hours before the start
[03:22]  * MarkDude votes against such a thing as a rule
[03:22] <jdeslip> (i.e. you cannot add an agenda item less than 24 hours before the meeting) - I guess this would be more of a suggestion of courtesy rather than a hard rule.
[03:22] <MarkDude> A suggestion maybe
[03:23] <jdeslip> Is that correct Grant?
[03:23] <grantbow> MarkDude: there's no voting and there's no rule. It's just text on the page describing.
[03:23] <MarkDude> There were a few time that a timely agenda item was the most fair way to deal with sumthin' IMHO
[03:23] <grantbow> jdeslip, correct
[03:23] <MarkDude> I know G
[03:24] <jdeslip> As a suggestion, I don't see any problem with it.  As a hard-rule I guess it could be problematic (I could see people needing exceptions on occassion and we don't want to make it harder for new members to participate)
[03:24] <grantbow> The reason I wrote it as I did was to make it a suggestion as I know that "life happens"
[03:25] <jdeslip> Anyone have any complaints about the text?
[03:25] <rww> I'd like something on the wiki along the lines of "Agenda items added within 24 hours of the meeting time may be postponed until the next meeting so that everyone has a chance to consider them."
[03:26] <sn9> seconded
[03:26]  * MarkDude thoughts were it should ONLY be for extraordinary circumsrtances
[03:26] <grantbow> rww: sure
[03:26] <MarkDude> rww +1
[03:26] <MarkDude> I mean 99% of the time it is not good to do
[03:26] <jdeslip> rww: that seems fine to me too. If grantbow is happy with it as well.  We can go with that.
[03:26] <MarkDude> that 1% situation- another matter
[03:27] <grantbow> rww: where on the wiki? in the meeting template as I had proposed?
[03:27] <seidos> is there anything presently stating that agenda items *can't* be postponed?
[03:27] <rww> grantbow: works for me
[03:27] <jdeslip> I think the meeting template makes the most sense.
[03:28] <grantbow> partly this issue was raised again because a newcomer added something to the agenda last minute. Clarifying the expectations helps everyone.
[03:28] <jdeslip> seidos: No, but people might be a bit angry if their agenda item is postponed for no reason...
[03:29] <jdeslip> this is giving people fair warning I guess
[03:29] <grantbow> rww: would you like to do the honors or should I?
[03:29] <MarkDude> Well leadership is reasonable here- I see them giving reasons (if needed) :)
[03:30] <rww> grantbow: I'm out of the loop on where that stuff is stored, go ahead.
[03:30] <grantbow> ok
[03:30] <seidos> jdeslip: ah, it's a CYA kind of thing
[03:30] <grantbow> anything else for this item?
[03:30] <jdeslip> OK, grantbow - I'll leave it up to you make the change that sounds reasonably close to the wording rww used
[03:31] <MarkDude> Make sure it is good, or I will put it in agenda at last minute
[03:31] <MarkDude> to be meta
[03:31] <grantbow> jdeslip: I'll edit it tonight, thanks.
[03:31] <jdeslip> Anyone have any final announcements to make before we close this meeting?
[03:31] <grantbow> lol
[03:31] <seidos> idea here
[03:32] <seidos> just thinking that sunday night is bad for me, well, during the school year
[03:32] <seidos> is the solution to that simply reviewing logs?
[03:32] <jdeslip> Ya, we have been talking about moving one of the Sunday meetings to another day of the week.
[03:32] <jdeslip> (Like on an every-other meeting basis)
[03:33] <jdeslip> But, I don't think we ever decided on anything and the talk died down.
[03:33] <seidos> hate to say it, but the meeting reeks of work
[03:33] <jdeslip> lol
[03:33] <MarkDude> :)
[03:33] <seidos> which is fine, but like, bad work, ya' know?
[03:34] <jdeslip> If you don't enjoy your time here, nothing is keeping you.  You are definitely free to review the logs.
[03:34] <seidos> like not dwarves whistling to work...but in a cubicle, joe vs. the volcano kind of work
[03:34] <MarkDude> lol
[03:34] <rww> I'm waiting for MarkDude to suggest we move meetings to Google+ Hangouts.
[03:34] <seidos> oh right, should've handed out party hats
[03:34] <jdeslip> And we do accept suggestions on improving things... but meetings are ... you know ... meetings
[03:34]  * seidos hands out party hats
[03:35]  * MarkDude is hanging out in + now-
[03:35] <MarkDude> actually more like lonely- with no takers to talk
[03:35] <rww> I know, my Stream keeps telling me.
[03:35] <seidos> jdeslip: understood
[03:35]  * seidos hands jdeslip a bat cowl
[03:36] <jdeslip> So, if you have suggestions on changing the day of the week or somehow otherwise improving the meeting, please make them. But, most importantly, spend your time whatever you want to spend it.  Have fun :)
[03:36] <jdeslip> Being involved in a community, working on code etc ... is a lot like work, but it is also something I find fun. Which is why I am here.
[03:37] <seidos> it can be fun
[03:37] <seidos> not trying to harsh your meeting
[03:37] <jdeslip> MarkDude: I tried to invite a bunch of people to G+ but the invites are closed still - once more people get on, I am sure you will be in hangout heaven
[03:37] <MarkDude> Well- seidos we can do a hangout on + sometime
[03:38] <seidos> MarkDude: right, whenever access is granted
[03:38] <jdeslip> OK, anyway, seidos, thanks for the feedback.
[03:38] <jdeslip> Anyone else got anything before we close?
[03:38] <MarkDude> Nope
[03:38] <jdeslip> ok, since MarkDude is qualified to answer for everyone, we will end there.
[03:38] <jdeslip> ------------------------------------- Meeting Ends ------------------------------
[03:39] <grantbow> Thanks for hosting jdeslip :-)
[03:39] <MarkDude> jdeslip, you rock Sir :)
[03:39] <rww> two of my Facebook friends already moved entirely over to G+. Might do the same once it goes public.
[03:39] <MarkDude> Ok now somebody email Lyz and tell her I went crazy in the meeting
[03:39] <MarkDude> Say I was rambling about Churchill again
[03:40] <MarkDude> XD
[03:40] <jdeslip> Thanks for coming everyone
[03:41] <seidos> thanks for hosting jdeslip
[03:41] <jdeslip> Speaking of G+ - is there any way to sort the stream by date - I hate posts with lots of comments on them keep coming back to the top.  That is the one thing that irritates me.
[03:42] <jdeslip> (I also wish that when I shared something in Google reader it went to G+ and not buzz, but I imagine they will change that soon)
[03:42] <rww> jdeslip: you can mute the posts for now. They're working on an alternative I think.
[03:42] <rww> (and they /are/ sorted by date. date of last comment ;P)
[03:42] <jdeslip> rww: ya, but muting every post that comes through the stream is a bit of hastle
[03:42] <rww> true
[03:43] <jdeslip> I think only posts that I have also commented on should come back to the top
[03:43] <jdeslip> Wonders where I should suggest this... I wish Google had used launchpad to report bugs
[03:44] <seidos> don't really get the thinking behind not opening it up to whoever wants to sign on
[03:45] <rww> jdeslip: "Feedback" button in the bottom right is what I'm using for that sort of thing
[03:46] <jdeslip> ah, I'll try that.  Though I suspect there is no way to follow up with that and see if anyone read your comment.
[03:47] <jdeslip> Ah well.
[03:47] <jdeslip> Goodnight everyone. I'm off to movies.
[03:47] <rww> there isn't
[03:48] <BrightAmbition> movies nice
[03:48] <MarkDude> jdeslip, you can mute posts
[03:50] <seidos> hmmm, 138 members, that's a company o_o
[03:51] <seidos> interesting
[03:51] <BrightAmbition> yes very much so
[03:51] <BrightAmbition> :)
[03:51] <BrightAmbition> not really, i'm just agreeing randomly
[03:51] <seidos> is that even possible?
[03:51] <seidos> randomness exists?
[03:52] <BrightAmbition> I have no clue
[03:52] <BrightAmbition> is it?
[03:52] <BrightAmbition> hehe
[03:52] <seidos> no!
[03:52] <seidos> but that may be random
[03:52] <seidos> can't say, too much ignorance
[03:52] <BrightAmbition> oops i made a typo just caught that
[03:52] <BrightAmbition> i meant to say does it exist
[03:52] <rww> Randomness is an illusion caused by sufficiently-hidden order. Order is an illusion caused by sufficiently-hidden randomness.
[03:53] <BrightAmbition> I stay quiet to avoid saying something stupid
[03:53] <BrightAmbition> It works though
[03:53] <BrightAmbition> sometimes
[03:53] <seidos> everything is an illusion but it isn't
[03:53] <BrightAmbition> hmm
[03:53] <seidos> stupid stuff is so interesting though
[03:53] <BrightAmbition> Not for me
[03:54] <seidos> like...crashing
[03:54] <seidos> if stupid stuff wasn't so interesting, i bet reddit wouldn't be as popular as it is
[03:54] <seidos> <troll face>
[03:54] <BrightAmbition> Yes it's like the brain crashing technically
[03:54] <seidos> i'm terrible at the troll face
[03:54] <BrightAmbition> CASPLAT!
[03:54] <BrightAmbition> lol
[03:54] <seidos> it's really more in the eyes than in the grin i think
[03:55] <BrightAmbition> I don't know how to be a troll
[03:55] <BrightAmbition> Even though some people say i am which i don't get
[03:55] <seidos> it's probably hard to tell the difference between someone that is trolling with intent, and someone that just doesn't know what is going on
[03:56] <BrightAmbition> I admit most of the time i have no clue what is going on so i just wing it
[03:56] <BrightAmbition> Nothing like improvising
[03:56] <seidos> who's line is it anyway?
[03:56] <BrightAmbition> I have not a clue
[03:56] <seidos> it must be wayne brady's
[03:57] <BrightAmbition> Speaking of lines i have to do homework
[03:57] <BrightAmbition> Not fun
[03:57]  * BrightAmbition sighs
[03:57] <seidos> this is a youtube improvisation:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj0DbCBqF80
[03:57] <seidos> what kind of homework BrightAmbition ?
[03:57] <BrightAmbition> Is there a ubuntu penguin game?
[03:57] <BrightAmbition> I want to play something like that
[03:58] <seidos> there is an OSwars game, but you wouldn't like it.  it needs more developers (artists and coders)
[03:58] <seidos> by youtube improvisation i meant i searched for "wayne brady" and that was the first video
[03:59] <sn9> it's a theatre arts class
[04:00] <BrightAmbition> improvising is more fun
[04:00] <seidos> sn9: cool
[04:30] <seidos> hmmm, looking over membership process...the flow isn't zen
[04:30] <seidos> where's the "join button"...
[04:34] <seidos> reading over this last meeting log though, the controversial concept of "republican vs democracy" appears to be occuring
[04:34] <seidos> "don't trust the mob to vote for themselves, they first must be qualified to vote..."
[04:34] <seidos> which, kind of makes sense, considering what happened to Greece...
[04:35] <seidos> Ancient Greece*
[04:41] <seidos> anyway, back to real life
[04:57] <MarkDude> Well polarization happens by itself sometimes- like water finding its level
[05:21] <seidos> oops i meant republic
[05:22] <seidos> though, i suppose the relationship between republic and republican should be pretty transparent at this point.
[05:25] <MarkDude> Well Lincoln was a Republican-like one of the first
[05:26] <MarkDude> Jeffersonians were one of the 1st parties- and then cam the Anti Jeffersonians
[05:31] <seidos> Andrew Jackson was a Democrat
[05:32] <seidos> well, he started as Democratic-Republican, then changed to Democratic
[05:33] <seidos> would've been a great president if it wasn't for the Trail of Tears
[05:33] <MarkDude> no doubt- I knew someone that their Grandma was on that
[05:33] <MarkDude> Grew up in reservation in OK
[05:34] <seidos> should probably read up more on Eisenhower
[05:53] <MarkDude> Ike
[05:53] <MarkDude> Still the best slogan in politics- I Like Ike
[05:53] <MarkDude> IMHO
[06:40] <seidos> "hope" was pretty awesome.
[06:41] <seidos> dunno if it was "good" in hindsight, but it was effective.
[06:41] <seidos> "in" is always an interesting one...
[06:41] <seidos> can only guess..."in" what?
[06:42]  * MarkDude made pic that said Change we hope we can believe in :D using that ODT file that had the iconic pic
[06:44]  * seidos thinks that when one goes up high enough, the political parties are essentially the same
[06:44] <seidos> Obama and Boehner did play golf last week :)