[14:18] <seif> hey guys
[14:18] <seif> on my thinkpad x201 
[14:18] <seif> the touchpad is not working on oneirick
[14:22] <tjaalton> seif: logfile please
[14:23] <tjaalton> not that..
[14:32] <seif> guys
[14:32] <seif> ?
[14:32] <tjaalton> 16:22 < tjaalton> seif: logfile please
[14:32] <seif> tjaalton, how do i get that
[14:33] <seif> ?
[14:33] <tjaalton> apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:33] <tjaalton> and paste the link here
[14:34] <seif> http://paste.ubuntu.com/637934/
[14:35] <tjaalton> ok, so how is it "broken"
[14:37] <seif> the touchpad is not responding
[14:37] <seif> only the nipple thingie
[14:37] <seif> :)
[14:38] <tjaalton> at least the driver loaded just fine
[14:38] <tjaalton> can you see the touchpad from the output of 'xinput list'?
[14:40] <seif> yep its there
[14:40] <seif> ⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
[14:40] <seif> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[14:40] <seif> ⎜   ↳ TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint                   	id=13	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[14:40] <seif> ⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad   
[14:41] <tjaalton> um, it doesn't have an id= ?
[14:41] <seif> ⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad              	id=11	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[14:41] <seif> sorry
[14:41] <seif> :)
[14:41] <seif> it does
[14:41] <tjaalton> xinput list-props 11 |grep -i enabled ?
[14:42] <seif> 	Device Enabled (132):	0
[14:43] <tjaalton> there you go
[14:43] <tjaalton> something has disabled it
[14:43] <seif> :(
[14:43] <seif> how do i enable it 
[14:43] <tjaalton> which desktop?
[14:43] <seif> unity
[14:43] <tseliot> maybe a gconf key disabled it?
[14:43] <tjaalton> maybe
[14:44] <tseliot> launch the "mouse" app and try to enable it from there
[14:44] <tseliot> you should see a tab about "touchpads"
[14:46] <seif> i did
[14:46] <seif> should i restart the session
[14:46] <seif> ?
[14:46] <tjaalton> no
[14:46] <seif> well its not working
[14:46] <tseliot> can you put the full output of "xinput list-props 11" on pastebin, please?
[14:47] <tjaalton> xinput set-int-prop 11 "Device Enabled" 1 8
[14:47] <jcristau> xinput set-prop 11 'Device Enabled' 1
[14:47] <jcristau> :)
[14:47] <tjaalton> is the last bit still needed?
[14:47] <tseliot> right, we have that now
[14:47] <tjaalton> I'm not sure
[14:47] <tjaalton> ah, set-prop
[14:47] <tjaalton> shorter
[14:47] <jcristau> i wrote that code :)
[14:47] <seif> invalid format
[14:47] <tseliot> :)
[14:48] <tjaalton> seif: try what jcristau gave
[14:48] <seif> yeah both did not work
[14:48] <seif> but 
[14:48] <seif> 8 1 worked
[14:48] <jcristau> wtf.
[14:48] <seif> yet still no mouse
[14:49] <tjaalton> something is actively disabling it then?
[14:49] <tjaalton> anyway, user config issue :)
[14:49] <jcristau> seif: and list-props still says it's 0?
[14:50] <seif> http://pastebin.com/10hwUiJd
[14:53] <seif> jcristau, ^
[14:53] <tseliot> it's still 0
[14:53] <tseliot> it's not supposed to work...
[14:54] <seif> how can we make it work
[14:55] <jcristau> turn off whatever's disabling it
[14:55] <tseliot> and I think we can rule out gnome-settings-daemon if setting values manually doesn't change the value
[14:55] <seif> seif@Wumbo:~/Projects/gnome-tweak-tool$ xinput set-int-prop 11 "Device Enabled" 1 8
[14:55] <seif> Invalid format 1
[14:55] <tseliot> unless you have a crazy daemon which sets things back to 0...
[14:56] <tseliot> seif: format should be 8
[14:56] <tseliot> the value should be 1
[14:56] <tseliot> swap the numbers
[14:56] <seif> i did
[14:56] <seif> hmmmmmmm
[14:56] <seif> something is disabling it
[14:56] <tseliot> and what did you get with 1 8?
[14:57] <seif> tseliot, nothing
[14:57] <tjaalton> apt-get install dconf-tools
[14:57] <tseliot> seif: try this and see if it still happens: killall gnome-settings-daemon
[14:57] <tseliot> then use the command again
[14:57] <tseliot> and see if the touchpad remains enabled
[14:57] <tjaalton> open dconf-editor, then check /org/gnome/settings-daemon/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad-enabled
[14:58] <seif> afdasf
[14:58] <seif> fsa
[14:58] <seif> f
[14:58] <seif> a
[14:59] <seif> ok now its working
[15:00] <seb128> speaking of trackpad, what could make one not being listed in xinput list?
[15:00] <seif> it works
[15:00] <seif> restarted session and it works like charm
[15:01] <tjaalton> what did you do?
[15:01] <seif> what you todl me to
[15:01] <seif> changed it from dconf-editor
[15:01] <tjaalton> and?
[15:01] <tjaalton> changed what?
[15:01] <tjaalton> that setting?
[15:01] <seif> clicked the enabled thingie
[15:01] <seif> also i killed the gnome-settings-daemon
[15:04] <tjaalton> seb128: if no input driver is loaded for it
[15:04] <seb128> tjaalton, said differently "why is my touchpad not listed there and how do I turn it off" ;-)
[15:05] <tjaalton> seb128: if xinput list doesn't show it, it means X doesn't know it exists
[15:05] <tjaalton> so it's "off"
[15:06] <tjaalton> but maybe you meant to turn it on
[15:06] <seb128> it's for sure no "off", I keep clicking on it by touching it with my palms
[15:06] <tjaalton> but then xinput surely has it?
[15:06] <jcristau> pastebin xinput list and X log?
[15:06] <seb128> ⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
[15:06] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[15:06] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ Logitech Optical USB Mouse              	id=10	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[15:06] <seb128> ⎜   ↳ ImPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint                  	id=14	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[15:07] <tjaalton> ah, lovely alphs
[15:07] <tjaalton> alps
[15:07] <jcristau> seb128: well, it's there...
[15:07] <seb128> isn't glidepoint the trackpad?
[15:07] <seb128> I've both a small round bit in the middle of the keyboard and a touchpad
[15:07] <seb128> I've an USB mouse as well
[15:08] <tjaalton> aiui there's no "disable while typing" for that, since it's using the evdev driver and not synaptics
[15:08] <seb128> hum
[15:08] <tjaalton> seb128: the round thing is trackpoint
[15:08] <tjaalton> aka the nipple :)
[15:08] <seb128> that's why it's not in the gnome-control-center tab I guess
[15:08] <seb128> ok
[15:08] <seb128> so I've a trackpoint and a touchpad
[15:08] <tjaalton> yes
[15:08] <seb128> and I want to turn the touchpad off
[15:08] <seb128> how do I do that?
[15:08] <tjaalton> but the trackpoint is not listed and doesn't work?
[15:08] <seb128> they both work
[15:08] <tjaalton> ok
[15:08] <seb128> I want to turn the touchpad off
[15:09] <tjaalton> just not on the list above, but ok
[15:09] <seb128> since I don't use it but keep palm clicking it
[15:09] <tjaalton> xinput set-prop 14 "Device Enabled" 0
[15:09] <tjaalton> for the running session
[15:09] <tjaalton> then a config snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to disable it permanently
[15:10] <seb128> thanks
[15:11] <tjaalton> see man xorg.conf, Section "InputClass", and Option "Ignore" "boolean"
[15:11] <seb128> so the reason why it's not seen as a touchpad in GNOME is because it uses evdev?
[15:11] <tjaalton> right
[15:11] <seb128> that will work for me I guess but is not really user friendly :-(
[15:11] <tjaalton> I don't know if it could be made to work
[15:12] <tjaalton> actually, I have such a machine here.. but I think it needs kernel work
[15:12] <tjaalton> or maybe not, should just try it out
[15:25] <tjaalton> right, the kernel doesn't list alps as a touchpad, just as a ps/2 mouse
[15:30] <tjaalton> and forcing synaptics doesn't work