[08:00] * nuvolari tips hat [08:00] 'morning [08:08] cold morning [08:09] morning nuvolari superfly and everyone. [08:09] Maaz: forecast Cape Town [08:09] sakhi: Sunday: Partly Cloudy. High: 14° C., Sunday Night: Mostly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Monday: Chance of Rain. High: 15° C., Monday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 8° C., Tuesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 16° C., Tuesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 7° C., Wednesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 17° C., Wednesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 7° C., Thursday: Mostly Cloudy. High: 18° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 8° C., Friday: Partly Cloudy. H [08:17] morning superfly and other cold peeps [08:18] Maaz, coffee on [08:18] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:19] morning oom Kilos [08:21] Maaz, hurry [08:21] Hey! Kilos Patience is a virtue, [08:21] sigh [08:22] and virtue is a grace and grace was a naughty girl who didnt wash her face [08:22] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [08:22] or her hands before messing up her keyboard [08:22] Maaz, ty [08:22] Enjoy Kilos [08:23] mornings sakhi, oom Kilos, superfly [08:23] lo nuvolari is it cold in durbs too [08:27] morning [08:27] hi Squirm [08:28] how things going? [08:28] well ty and you [08:28] did you enjoy the uk bit [08:28] yeah it's not too bad, being Monday and all [08:28] Kilos: I loved it [08:29] well, the last few months [08:29] why you came back so quick [08:29] you didnt even get used to the cold [08:30] actually I left after the end of winter, so this is kind of winter no.3 for me [08:30] but I ran out of money :/ couldnt find another job [08:31] eish [08:31] aw [08:31] they normally happy with peeps that will do manual labour for them [08:33] ah well [08:33] now I'm stuck at home in the middle of nowhere [08:33] but it's actually better than before I left [08:33] and its too cold here to go swimming in the dam hey [08:34] hiya scar[w] [08:34] i found the ZS6 guy again [08:34] it be bmg [08:35] I've just made more of a mission to be social [08:35] aw i forgot to tab him [08:35] lol why is it a mission Squirm [08:35] Real Life is an effort [08:36] to try and get some people out, wow [08:36] eish and you still got many years ahead [08:36] my neighbour is so lazy [08:36] lol [08:36] Squirm: sounds like you are too [08:36] I went to primary school with him, he's been home like a month or 2 now and I havent seen him [08:36] tv addicts? [08:36] not for lack of trying [08:37] superfly: I am :P But he's worse\ [08:37] much [08:37] the effort lies in getting other people to be active [08:39] what does he do Squirm [08:39] mornings [08:39] Maaz, coffee please [08:39] kbmonkey: There isn't a pot on [08:39] apart from as little as possible [08:39] lo kbmonkey [08:39] Maaz, coffee on [08:39] * Maaz puts the kettle on [08:39] oh dear, Kilos did you finish the coffee? ;p [08:39] Maaz, coffee on [08:39] kbmonkey: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup [08:39] lol [08:40] hehe [08:40] Maaz, coffee please my favoritest of bots [08:40] kbmonkey: *blink* [08:40] Maaz, coffee please [08:40] kbmonkey: Yessir [08:40] * kbmonkey thinks Maaz needs a course in Natural Language Processing ;p [08:40] lol [08:42] I hope you all are keeping warm [08:42] im waiting for someone to help that johan on the lists [08:43] dont all linux flavours as he calls them work with chown [08:43] Coffee's ready for Kilos and kbmonkey! [08:43] or have i not read his question properly [08:44] Maaz, dankie [08:44] Groot plesier Kilos my vriend [08:44] Maaz, dankie [08:44] Groot plesier kbmonkey my vriend [08:44] oh I totally missed that email Kilos, I'll have a look too [08:45] i am using karmic and maverick and have no probs with permissions on my external [08:46] your external is formatted with fat32/ntfs? [08:46] shame and he asked yesterday already and no one has helped him [08:47] oh I have seen this before [08:47] ext is ext4 [08:47] il do some tests and see about a solution [08:48] i have great fun when boet gets here with his I5 lappy and he cant even see my external but i see everything on his [08:48] he's a win7 man [08:48] hehe [08:51] hhe [08:51] I compiled WINE the other day, took 20 minutes, and then sound did not work. eish ;p [08:52] i tried wine with an old age of empires on karmic and it crashed my pc and have been scared since then [08:53] I play half life 2 on wine no problems :) but since reformat no more games [08:53] but it would help pass the time if i could get it working [08:53] lo sdehaan [08:53] oh this is just too good: kbmonkey@netbook:/media/disk$ touch this [08:54] touch: cannot touch 'this' [08:54] lol [08:54] hammertime! [08:54] yeah when in doubt use a hammer [08:55] the larger the doubt the larger the hammer [08:57] that johan sounds like he knows what he is doing too [08:57] ;p [08:58] hello sdehaan [08:58] so it will be interesting to see what the answer is [08:59] I think I have one [08:59] just booting another OS to test [09:01] good morning Kilos [09:02] hi scar[w] [09:08] johan is sorted but i didnt get the mail that trold him how [09:08] grrr [09:08] told [09:09] ah, well i'll post for the sake of completeness in the archives for future searches [09:09] as I hate it when looking for answers and an old thread never has an answer ;p [09:09] ya [09:10] oh wait there is, eek too convoluted! [09:18] I want a Tux hoodie [09:18] hoodie? [09:19] yes like a long sleeve jacket with a hoodie, for winter [09:19] with Tux embroided on :) [09:19] lol [09:27] nice solution kbmonkey [09:28] whats the 777 for? [09:30] 777 is the numerical value of saying "owner +rw, gourps +rw, and o+rw" [09:30] so its basically allowing all permissions for all users :) [09:31] ah its not something you gonna use everytime [09:31] once only [09:31] and that will also handle future users, or new installations, or other computers too ;) [09:31] well done [09:32] i got it saved in my sudo chown file [09:32] it's the one thing I do remember from my Red Hat course I did in 2001 :p [09:33] lol. i dont remember much . have to safe everything and try remember where i saved it [09:33] hehe [09:44] kung fu panda is awesome :D [09:47] when you use wine to play a ms game do you have to reboot like with windows [09:50] no you don't Kilos, it's more like you run the .exe through wine [09:50] wine game.exe [09:50] oh not gui [09:50] from the command line [09:51] when you install a game, it puts the game shortcut in your menu under WINE for you [09:51] you dont have an icon you double click to play? [09:51] or you can make your own shortcut. [09:51] anybody here that knows how I can get ipcop not to accept udp 5060 packets at all, I am down with the flu and mtn bussiness is driving me around the bend [09:51] lol. ok i gonna try. [09:51] hello all [09:52] hi bmg505 [09:52] some games don't make a shortcut, that's when you do one yourself. but its easy, ask if you need help :) [09:52] will do ty kbmonkey [09:52] bmg505, are you a ham [09:52] I usually go to appdb.winehq.org kilos and look up the game in question and see if there's any special instructions to install [09:53] oh my [09:53] Kilos, feel more like off mince meat today, but yea I am [09:53] sorry bmg505 don't know ipcop [09:54] ah i wondered the ZS6 [09:54] well its simple iptable, you cannot stop the packet from being delivered or so it looks like [09:54] *iptables [09:54] yea you can even spy me on aprs.fi put in zs6lmg-14 will see my car [09:56] you should wonder about the lmg bit not the zs6 :) [09:58] the ZS6 brought back memories from 40 years ago when i tried to learn morse [09:58] then fell in love and forgot to carry on [09:59] but still have a yaesu ft200 i think it is [10:00] I never got a chance to play on a ham radio. but I did do some morse code as a kid for fun [10:00] it would have been so much easier with maaz around [10:01] -- .- .- --.. .. ... .- -.-. .-.. . ...- . .-. -... --- - [10:02] ha ha ha. he sure is :) [10:02] lol [10:33] kbmonkey, i got wine1.2 in maverick. do you think thats good enough for the old age of empires 2 [10:33] i see there at the wine hq to register they ask what version of wine and there 8 later versions [10:34] bhut that would be another 20m of downloads [10:35] 1.2 should be fine Kilos - http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=99 [10:35] it got a gold rating :) [10:36] ok i will register with that and see if i can find what they say about aoe2 [10:36] ty [10:36] but as wine goes, its best to try. [10:37] you dont have to register to look up info, you register to vote, and submit test reports [10:37] * Kilos thinks superfly happy you are here now he gets some rest from all my questions [10:37] he he :) [10:37] oh ok i go look for where to query [10:38] see here http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=147&iTestingId=63102 [10:38] ok [10:40] see the poster comments on what they did. usually disabling compiz and running in a window (ie no full screen) solves little issue [10:40] ok will do ty [10:48] i cant even get it to install [10:48] grrrr [10:49] awe :( [10:49] its very hit and miss sometimes. [10:49] the one guys says he installed from the cd [10:50] mine just opens and plays the music [10:50] hehe [10:56] how did you open it? [10:59] i just put the cd in [10:59] but i tried right clicking the aoe icon but no choice to install [11:00] tried the open with autorun prompt [11:00] didnt work either [11:00] said it cant find the autorun program [11:02] try run the setup directly in a terminal [11:02] wine /media/path-to-the-cd/setup.exe [11:02] eish [11:03] okpath to cd? [11:04] would that be wine /media/cdrom0/setup.exe [11:05] yes try that [11:05] but it depends on what the cd is named, and what the setup file is named [11:06] so you could use file explorer too, nautilus, if you click on the .exe or right-click and open it with wine [11:06] how you find what the cd is named [11:07] see the files on the CD with nautilus? [11:08] i tried the windows program loader there but no good [11:09] is that the same as a setup? [11:10] the file is aoesetup.exe [11:11] tells me its not an executable bit [11:14] eh, that sounds strange [11:14] lol [11:14] you dunno murphy [11:14] as jy kan sukkel , sal jy [11:15] if I had aoe I could try :p [11:15] if i member right on karmic long time ago when i put the cd in it asked if it must install/open with wine [11:16] i keep trying [11:16] to kbmonkey [11:16] well I dont know why the exe has to be executable as it runs through wine ;) [11:17] lol [11:17] it doesnt even ask to open with wine [11:17] can you right-click the setup and open with... and select wine [11:18] see a CDRom is read only and does not support executable bits by default, [11:18] i try [11:19] if you cant find wine in the list, expand the custom command box, and type in 'wine' and click okay :) [11:20] looks like i got something [11:20] inswtall q4wine from synaptic [11:21] try that, never used q4wine myself [11:21] went open with q4wine and had to next next lots and now it is open same as with windows [11:21] will tick the insatall button now [11:22] its installing [11:22] whew [11:22] good hope that goes well! gotta run to shops for now :] [11:22] ty very much [11:23] go safe [11:23] q4wine should let you launch the game then I guess [11:33] I got both Age of Empires working in WINE [11:41] ah well let's see if kilos got his running too superfly [12:05] hiya Kerbero [12:09] bmg505, is the 6 for gauteng [12:09] and 5 for natal [12:39] i [12:39] oops [12:39] lol === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [13:13] grrrr [13:15] ms sucks even with a jug of wine [14:19] Afternoon people. [14:22] I had a hard drive with 3 OSs installed" Windows 7, XP and Ubuntu 10.10. I accessed XP through the Windows 7 boot loader. On some random day, i just couldnt access XP anymore, when i selected it, the machine would restart. And its been doing that since then, (about a month ago). [14:23] I tried "fixmbr" and "fixboot" to get it working but its not working. I then deleted the Windows 7 partition and tried again, but its still not being booted, and its not appearing in grub, when i "updayte-grub" [14:23] How can i get my XP back? [14:23] hi rodemire [14:24] Ask the Windows IRC channel? [14:24] lol [14:24] thats nasty ;p [14:24] Well, most people in here use Ubuntu, not Windows, and that's because they don't want to use Windows [14:24] if update-grub wont detect it, then your xp install is corrupt or broken [14:24] in fact, some people in here have not used Windows in years [14:25] i stopped using windows last week. for good :) [14:25] fixmbr is the windows equivalent of grub, rodemire. as such update-grub will just override whatever fixmbr did [14:26] There are plenty of places offering Windows support... It's no doubt easier to get Windows support than Linux support, so why ask the one place that *doesn't* deal with Windows? [14:26] hi rodemire [14:26] 10.10 uses grub2 ? [14:27] yip [14:27] rodemire, you can try boot with xp cd and do a recovery [14:30] Kilos: Thats what i tried last night, i use Ubuntu like 90% of the time but i still need a little bit of XP, and i remember from way back that u can fix it from Ubuntu, so my qtn kinda qualifies for this forum right?! [14:31] you have a Ubuntu live CD rodemire ? [14:31] Yep, i do. [14:31] (or live usb) [14:31] i have both. Live CD and live usb. [14:31] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling GRUB2 [14:32] if you can boot into the Ubuntu install, you could reinstall grub without a live CD rodemire [14:33] do you know how many drives your PC has rodemire ? [14:34] If i reinstall it, will it pick up the XP or do i need to do something first? [14:34] Hard drive = 4, the partitions are too many, dont remember. [14:34] eek. okay [14:35] sudo update-grub should see them all [14:35] i'll try reinstalling grub, thanks kbmonkey [14:35] the grub reinstall will auto scan other OS's for you [14:35] or was it sudo grub-update [14:36] rodemire, boot into the Ubuntu [14:36] dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc should re-install grub [14:36] "sudo update-grub" doesnt pick up XP. [14:36] I'll show u screenshots when i get home. [14:36] ah [14:36] and you can run from a terminal: sudo grub-install /dev/sdX (where X is your drive where your Ubuntu disk) [14:36] do what tumbleweed says [14:37] you can see which disk your / is mounted when you run "df" [14:41] there is also #grub where the grub peeps are [14:42] update-grub should pick up windows when you are booted from the ubuntu system. If you have chrooted in from a live CD, it may not [14:42] didn't know there a #grub [14:42] yeah i been there too [14:43] had lotsa hassles at one time [14:43] everyone said replace the drive [14:43] and the fault was in the cpu cache [14:44] that's very obscure place for boot issues! [14:44] somehow xp had corrupted it [14:44] oh, go figure [14:44] took months but now it be kiff again for last few months [14:44] no windows OS ever touched my current hardware :p [14:45] thats good [14:45] thats also why i am scared of wine [14:45] game starts up in full screen mode then hangs [14:46] and i cant get to another desktop to try what one of those guys at winehq said [14:46] ctrl-alt-backspace? [14:46] kbmonkey: that's been disabled for a while now [14:47] oh, I usually enable that again [14:47] how do you re enable it kbmonkey [14:47] ctrl+alt+f1 to tty and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ;) [14:48] * tumbleweed was only too happy to see it gone, it's easy to type bymistake when you are using ctrl-alt-arrow to change virtual desktop [14:48] your backspace is next to your arrow keys tumbleweed? o.O [14:48] i went ctrl+alt+f1 and said shutdown [14:48] you can also ctrl-alt-del from tty [14:49] kbmonkey, i need some way to tell aoe not to use full screen [14:49] kbmonkey: I might have started typing before I rieleased ctrl-alt [14:49] <|3o|3> /etc/init.d/gdm restart!? Thanks kbmonkey, I've always wanted a way to log off when my panels are broken for some or another reason [14:49] something about cfg [14:50] kbmonkey: a SAK will also kill X, so there is a keystroke to do it (if you have a sysrq key) [14:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#.22Raising_Elephants.22_mnemonic_device [14:50] that's the one :) [14:51] that will tell your pc to shut down and unmount disks and reboot properly if things get choppy [15:07] i found that sysrq key so its alt+sysrq+what other key? [15:08] yes kilos :) [15:09] the keys in that wiki link [15:09] lol kbmonkey what other key? anyone [15:10] it just says another key [15:10] Kilos: different keys do different things [15:11] see that link kilos, there a sequence of keys, and each does its own thing. [15:11] i am reading it now [15:12] oh is the list under action the keys one can use [15:14] all i want to be able to do is open another desktop to then open wine notepad to stop aoe from hanging [15:14] does alt+F2 pop up the run dialog Kilos ? [15:14] but aoe fills the whole screen [15:15] i will try it but it not lekker when whole pc hangs [15:15] also... [15:15] makes me scared it gonna crash [15:15] yes we must find out how to let it run in a window. [15:15] i think you run winecfg and in there set an option to run in a virtual desktop [15:16] and it also removed my xchat icon from top panel even though locked and pidgin now opens inna tiny window [15:16] it's under the 'graphics' tab [15:16] check your screen resolution, it probably change your res [15:16] in wine config kb? [15:17] yes kilos. you run winecfg (wine config) [15:17] ok i in graphics now [15:17] i beleive if you turn on the virtual desktop, then it will only fill that window, not your whole screen [15:17] so aoe will think its full screen, but its just being fooled to run in its own window [15:18] ah lets hope [15:19] must the "allow the window manager to control the windows be unticked [15:20] mmm, leave that option as it is for now. [15:20] ok [15:20] hold thumbs [15:20] *thumbs* [15:20] oh oh [15:21] lol [15:21] if it gets stuck, you can always ctrl+alt+F1 to a tty, log in, and run "kilall wine" to just terminate wine, and ctrl+alt+f7(or8) back to X [15:21] ok i write that down first [15:21] *killall wine [15:22] or killall wineserver [15:36] yay kb [15:37] does it run windowed? [15:37] it playing inna small window. sound worked till it started game then niks and very slow and jerky. i go look how them fellas fixed it [15:38] lol [15:38] murphy back again [15:38] just saw some folks had slowness issues with it :/ oops [15:38] Maaz, coffee on [15:38] * Maaz washes some mugs [15:38] some games are just made like that i guess ;) [15:38] at least now i can use the other desktops ty very much [15:39] np :) [15:42] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [15:42] Maaz, ty [15:42] Enjoy Kilos [16:31] Maaz: coffee on [16:31] * Maaz washes some mugs [16:32] Maaz, coffee please [16:32] Kilos: Alrighty [16:32] hurry [16:32] grr [16:32] Maaz, hurry [16:32] Hey! Kilos Patience is a virtue, [16:32] * inetpro lol [16:32] lo inetpro [16:33] Kilos: heh, hoe gaan dit? [16:33] goed dankie en self [16:34] Kilos: good thanks, especially when you just reminded me to go home and have a life :-) [16:34] lol [16:35] Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos! [16:36] Maaz: dankie [16:36] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [16:36] Maaz, gracias [16:36] Kilos: ¡de nada! [16:36] * inetpro wbb later [16:37] ok [16:37] go safe [16:37] geen windgat op die bike nie [16:37] dis te koud om nou te val en seer te kry [16:38] looks like rodemire won [16:39] we'll see him next time he has ubuntu probs [16:39] hehe [16:39] sorry windows probs he can blame on ubuntu [16:45] Maaz, whats for supper [16:45] Steak , egg and chips. And a free Coke [16:48] Maaz, whats for supper [16:48] A nice thick homemade oxtail and vegetable soup for starters and then Spaghetti bolognese [16:48] too cold for coke [16:48] Maaz, coffee on [16:48] * Maaz puts the kettle on [16:52] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [16:52]