[00:11] <JeZ-l-Lee> KDE and now Gnome are terrible - only viable desktop environment left is XFCE
[00:27] <JeZ-l-Lee> guess I missed the meeting
[00:28] <charlie-tca> It was about 1-1/2 hours ago
[00:29] <JeZ-l-Lee> sorry, was at work
[01:00]  * micahg -> back
[01:12] <knome> charlie-tca, still on?
[01:13] <knome> anybody interested in testing the imgcapt wordpress-plugin? pm me
[05:25] <Unit193> knome: WOuld that just be going to a website? :P
[11:53] <knome> Unit193, yes
[14:59] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I don't show any changes to the 64bit alternate image since july 1, is that a mistake? Do we need to have the server kicked again or something?
[15:00] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/ shows it updating every day, but reality is that it has not changed.
[15:03] <mr_pouit> it failed today again
[15:04] <mr_pouit> ah, alternate?
[15:04] <mr_pouit> I don't know
[15:05] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will go to #ubuntu-release and see if I can find out what is happening. It might need something on the server end
[15:14] <charlie-tca> No images to test today. Take the day and rest up. 
[15:41] <charlie-tca> astraljava, Unit193 : images are broken today. Should be working tomorrow
[21:50] <knome> sent email to the developer ML
[21:50] <knome> those who are interested, reply me in the next minutes and you'll get the account created right away
[22:07] <astraljava> knome: I'd love to, but I don't have my test machines with me yet. Nor do I have a decent network connection in this apartment either. Will keep you posted about how things develop, might get the machines for next week, but no idea about the connection yet.
[22:08] <knome> astraljava, you only need a web browser to test it :)
[22:08] <knome> astraljava, but yeah, the offer is valid for as long as we test it
[22:08] <astraljava> knome: Oh. I thought you meant the gmusic-thingie (that would run in Xubuntu). Sorry, I accidentally deleted the email already.
[22:08] <astraljava> knome: Then sure, please create me one!
[22:09] <knome> irc nick i suppose and irc real name, but which email addy?
[22:09] <astraljava> nick at kapsi and you know which country, I presume. :)
[22:10] <knome> yup ;)
[22:10] <knome> ok, you should have email now
[22:14] <knome> i wonder where charlie-tca is hiding :)
[22:14] <astraljava> Yep, I'm in.
[22:14] <knome> good!
[22:14] <astraljava> Wondered about that too.
[22:15] <astraljava> Okay, now what? Like I said, I apologize but I deleted the email with instructions in a rush. :-/
[22:15] <knome> heh, well, there was not much instructions in the mail itself
[22:15] <astraljava> Oh okay.
[22:15] <knome> http://knome.fi/demo/wp/?page_id=11
[22:15] <knome> that should tell you all you need to know
[22:18] <astraljava> Okay, thanks! I am finding it confusing after I uploaded an image. It asks me to "select a radiobutton", but I'm not seeing any.
[22:19] <knome> yeah, because you don't have any captions! :)
[22:19] <knome> but yeah, i suppose that can be confusing...
[22:19] <knome> added that to the bugs list
[22:20] <astraljava> Ahh... right, I should add one before. Gotcha. But yeah, that should be more informative.
[22:21] <knome> maybe something like "After adding a caption..."
[22:21] <astraljava> That should do it.
[22:21] <knome> i'm also going to replace the dull question mark with an icon, that would try to be somewhat informative as well
[22:22] <astraljava> Sure, sure.
[22:23] <knome> at least no serious bugs about how it works, yet (huh :D)
[22:23] <astraljava> Maybe also change the wording on "...and click the preview image...", maybe point somewhere on the preview image and click to place the position field... or something. I'm not really good at this kind of English. :D
[22:23] <astraljava> No, not really. :)
[22:23] <knome> yeah
[22:24] <astraljava> Okay, now that I saved and published it, how can I actually see the caption?
[22:25] <knome> go edit the page "Playground for ImgCapt"
[22:25] <knome> actually, i think it's a valid point to tell on the main imgcapt page how to add it to a post/page
[22:27] <astraljava> Yeah the problem from my point of view is that you see all the Images with Captions on them. But you cannot click on the thumbnails to get to see the captions in action.
[22:27] <knome> but you can see them in action in the edit-view
[22:27] <knome> so would a link from the image to the edit-view be a solution?
[22:28] <astraljava> True, but Edit usually implies something else than just plain Viewing.
[22:28] <knome> yeah...
[22:28] <knome> then again, a plain preview-view doesn't make much sense, since the preview is on the edit page as well
[22:28] <astraljava> So would it be possible to just see the captions on the images, and maybe have the link for editing there as well?
[22:28] <knome> maybe change the link title to "Edit and preview" ?
[22:28] <astraljava> Okay, that would make much more sense.
[22:29] <knome> having the captions in the thumbnail images would require more jQuery, and i don't actually see how that would make sense
[22:30] <astraljava> Well, what's the purpose? Is there no "slideshow"-kinda thingie? I am not very familiar with the concept. :)
[22:30] <knome> yeah, there is no slideshow
[22:30] <knome> did you try hovering over the caption you added?
[22:30] <astraljava> Okay, then I understand. It's just for the people who upload these. Then no need for changing the link. Edit will do just fine.
[22:30] <knome> http://elementaryos.org/discover
[22:31] <knome> yeah, this is just for people managing the website
[22:31] <astraljava> Sure, sure. It does everything that's needed, then.
[22:31] <knome> yup :)
[22:31] <knome> i still think the "Edit and preview" -wording could be better
[22:32] <knome> doesn't hurt to be more precies
[22:32] <knome> *precise
[22:32] <astraljava> True.
[22:32] <knome> at least when you have that much space..
[22:32] <astraljava> So how tricky will it be for the end-user to hover over the caption? About the same as the uploader in the Edit screen?
[22:33] <knome> http://shimmerproject.org/project/gmusicbrowser/
[22:33] <knome> there's one imgcapt image in action, with multiple notes
[22:33] <astraljava> Okay. Are they shown all the time, though? I don't know whether I really like that... ;) But then again, I'm weird like that. :)
[22:34] <knome> hmm, what do you mean shown all the time?
[22:34] <astraljava> Like the blue spots are visible all the time?
[22:34] <knome> if the text notes are shown all the time, that's a bug
[22:34] <knome> yeah, they are
[22:34] <knome> what do you suggest then
[22:34] <knome> show them when hovering over the image?
[22:35] <astraljava> Yeah. For an informative page, it shouldn't matter. But what about someone who presents beautiful pictures, but wants to deliver some details somewhere?
[22:35] <knome> yeah
[22:35] <knome> i suppose that could be an option
[22:35] <astraljava> It would be great, but then again the user should know somehow that it's got those, but they're not plainly visible.
[22:36] <astraljava> I have no idea how to deliver that.
[22:36] <knome> that shouldn't be too hard reallly
[22:36] <knome> maybe then you'd have to have a description
[22:36] <knome> "hover over the image to see notes"
[22:36] <knome> but then again, that should not be the worry of the plugin
[22:36] <astraljava> Well, yeah. That's true. Okay, sounds like something I'd have no beef with! :D
[22:37] <astraljava> Yeah I agree, the plugin doesn't need to care whether or not the uploader adds a description or not.
[22:39] <knome> that also leaves more possibilities on how to style/position the description
[22:40] <astraljava> Sure.
[22:55] <astraljava> But yeah, great work on that one!
[22:56] <knome> thanks :)
[22:56] <knome> some of the bugs are already fixed, btw
[22:56] <knome> well, mostly the wording issues
[22:57] <astraljava> Cool!
[23:43] <knome> more bugs splatted: http://knome.fi/demo/wp/?page_id=46
[23:46] <astraljava> knome: Excellent. I do wish though that you won't implement the "captions under the image" wishlist bug, though.
[23:46] <astraljava> -though
[23:46] <knome> that would be an option, not obligatory :)
[23:46] <knome> and that wishlish item is from me ;)
[23:47] <knome> because i just figured some uses where it makes more sense
[23:49] <astraljava> Okay, yeah maybe it has some uses. I really like the bubble, though. :)
[23:49] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:49] <knome> the bubble is actually themable with css
[23:49] <knome> this is just the default
[23:50] <astraljava> Right, it's still kinda cute. :)
[23:50] <knome> heh, thanks, and good
[23:51] <knome> good defaults++
[23:51] <astraljava> Indeed.
[23:51] <astraljava> You know, there's one big problem living in Oulu during the summer.
[23:51] <astraljava> I can't get to sleep.
[23:52] <astraljava> Too much light.
[23:52] <astraljava> Perhaps the curtains will bring some relief to that when I actually really move in. :)
[23:53] <Unit193> I should read that email :P
[23:59] <knome_web> oh crap.