[01:57] <Doyle> Hi Folks. I just ran some updates and one of them rearranged my grub.conf file. Does anyone know if it backed up the old one somewhere?
[02:05] <Doyle> Better question. Is there a way to impose a custom grub.conf file that won't be overwritten by updates in the future?
[02:08] <Doyle> I'll brb
[02:50] <Doyle> any suggestions?
[04:45] <soziety> hello, I am reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1619831, I need block internet access completly if vpn down, any idea?
[04:45] <dusf> i am unable to login to xfce. when i enter my correct password with capslock of it appears to accept it, the window disappears showing only the background screen/login wallpaper, then it flickers black and asks for my password again. i have tried sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg and freeing up space in my home partition to 8gb but none of this worked. how can i fix this?
[04:55] <dusf> i am unable to login to xfce. after entering my correct password with caps lock off it appears to take it and the login popup disappears showing only the login background/wallpaper, then the screen flickers black and the popup reappears askign for the password again but not mentioning an auth failure as it does when i type it incorrectly. i am using the same password to use this tty. i have tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, freeing up 8gb of space on
[05:23] <mikubuntu> my niece installed ubuntu 1010 but is having issue that she cannot type into any textareas (including) address bar.  i searched for this issue on google can't find anything.  anybody familiar with this?
[09:01] <ill0gic> hello
[09:04] <ill0gic> anyone here ?
[16:17] <xubuntu249> someone has an idea of webservers?
[19:37] <JeZ-l-Lee_> I signed up for the mailing list but never received a confirmation email
[19:37] <JeZ-l-Lee_> is the mailing list working ?
[19:42] <cantus> hi
[19:47] <cantus> first time on xubuntu; am trying to do sth with contrast on an old laptop; my hardware controls for brightness work, yet i need to change contrast; tried to look for some knobs in settings (didnt find anything); tried gxvattr (cant use it), tried display calibrator (gui to xgamma - doesnt work for me); any other options?
[19:48] <orngjce223> I know /nothing/ about displays. Try #xfce or #ubuntu
[19:48] <Sysi> or wait for a while and see if somebody knows
[19:48] <orngjce223> Yeah
[19:49] <cantus> sure... thx
[19:50] <JeZ-l-Lee_> on two separate computer Xubuntu 11.04 shows two volume meters in panel - any ideas?
[19:51] <orngjce223> Is it the "mixer" applet? You can just right-click and remove those, not sure about the other one though
[19:51] <Sysi> settings → sessions and startup → autostart → take off tap from sound/pulseaudio/something
[19:53] <JeZ-l-Lee_> that works, thanks
[19:53] <JeZ-l-Lee_> XFCE works much better than Gnome on my 800MHz NetBook
[20:24] <JeZ-l-Lee_> any top secret plans for Xubuntu 11.10 ?
[20:24] <JeZ-l-Lee_> will XFCE be updated for this release?
[20:24] <knome> probably not, since we only just got 4.8 for 11.04
[20:25] <JeZ-l-Lee_> my only complaint about current XFCE 4.8 is that items on panels can't be placed anywhere on the panel
[20:28] <TheSheep> they can't?
[20:28] <lefthandman> really? on my previous distro (which ran xfce) items could be moved around on panels
[20:28] <lefthandman> I mean, unless you're talking about "floaters"
[20:28] <lefthandman> in which case, it makes sense. The ends do not meet the required means
[20:29] <lefthandman> also, if you tell me more about what you want
[20:29] <lefthandman> I could try and hack it together
[20:29] <JeZ-l-Lee_> well for example: I like the clock to be in center of a panel - but when I add clock to panel it defaults to the left side and can't be moved to center
[20:30] <JeZ-l-Lee_> have to use spacers to get clock to center
[20:30] <TheSheep> you can move it just fine
[20:32] <TheSheep> JeZ-l-Lee_: hmm, ok, soryr, that was in 4.6
[20:33] <JeZ-l-Lee_> 4.6 allowed items on panel to be moved anywhere on panel ? - why was this feature taken away in 4.8 ?
[20:34] <TheSheep> JeZ-l-Lee_: I remember that I could do it as some point and that it was very annoying
[20:37] <JeZ-l-Lee_> I think allowing panel items to be placed anywhere on the panel is a good feature
[20:37] <JeZ-l-Lee_> allows for more flexible customization
[20:37] <TheSheep> you can still do it, with spacers
[20:42] <sparkiez> happy fourth everyone!
[20:53] <elros> xfce 4.10 is scheduled for release in january 2012, so we can expect it to arrive in the new LTS
[20:54] <knome> i don't want to be killjoy or too negative, but that schedule might very well be postponed :)
[20:56] <elros> I have faith in every wiki article I have edited
[20:56] <elros> :)
[20:57] <JeZ-l-Lee_> is it too early to upgrade to 4.10 beta on Xubuntu 11.04 ?
[20:57] <elros> is there a PPA for it?
[20:58] <JeZ-l-Lee_> I did upgrade xfce-panel on my 11.04 to the xfce-panel on 11.10 alpha
[20:59] <JeZ-l-Lee_> which allows for window buttons to be rearranged
[21:05] <JeZ-l-Lee_> I like XFCE - it works mostly like classic Gnome - and it does not take much resources
[21:06] <TheSheep> yeah, "no surprises" should be the motto
[21:06] <TheSheep> except that sometimes there are some surprises leaking from gnome :(
[21:36] <JeZ-l-Lee_> anyway to make window titlebars semi-transparent ?
[21:36] <JeZ-l-Lee_> I miss this feature in Gnome
[21:40] <Sysi> see window manager tweaks, compositing
[21:54] <Mandrew> hello is there anyway for me to save all the PPAs i have in the software sources? im going to delete this distro that im running and wipe the hdd
[21:55] <knome> Mandrew, they should be listed in /etc/apt/sources.list afaik
[21:55] <Mandrew> so its just to copy past that back into my new install?
[21:56] <knome> yup, and after that 'sudo apt-get update' :)
[21:56] <knome> (or update from synaptic)
[21:56] <knome> please check first if the PPA's really are at that file though :)
[21:56] <Sysi> they can also be in files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[21:57] <knome> wherever they are, it is just a matter of copy+paste
[21:57] <knome> Sysi, are you on the devel ML?
[21:58] <Sysi> nope
[21:58] <Mandrew> ok thanks
[21:58] <knome> Sysi, oki
[21:58] <Sysi> I'm not very good with mail
[21:58] <knome> heh
[21:59] <knome> well you can check my latest msg in the archives and tell me if you are interested anyway :)
[22:02] <elros> Mandrew: you have to copy the lines from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ AND add the keys again after the install
[22:03] <Mandrew> elros, how do i do that?
[22:03] <knome> or just use 'sudo apt-add-repository REPOSITORY_URL'
[22:03] <elros> you can do it by sudo apt-key add ssh_key.key, where ssh_key.key contains the signing key for the repo
[22:03] <knome> elros, ^ that should do it as well
[22:03] <Sysi> just adding lines should works, at least apt just asks next time you're using it
[22:04]  * Sysi always done PPAs manually
[22:04] <Mandrew> elros, i got like 30+ repos that i want to reinstall again so i was thinking of going a as easy way as possible
[22:05] <elros> you can save them manually by going to launchpad PPA, click "technical details" and save the signing key file
[22:05] <elros> the easiest is to add them with that apt-add-repo command
[22:06] <elros> then you have a separate file for every repo you add
[22:06] <elros> I like to have them in a single file
[22:07] <Mandrew> ok
[22:07] <elros> you can install packages from unsigned repos, but ubuntu wants to confirm every package install
[22:08] <Mandrew> ok
[22:09] <Mandrew> a lot to wrap my head around :D im just a newbie ;)
[22:10] <elros> ok, then learn sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa and forget about what I said :)
[22:10] <Mandrew> hehe
[22:10] <Sysi> I don't really know about gui client but adding lines to sources.list and then apt-get update ; install has always just worked
[22:11] <elros> in synaptic you can use the software sources
[22:35] <JeZ-l-Lee_> I'm probably not the only person here who left Gnome and regular Ubuntu for XFCE on Xubuntu
[22:37] <JeZ-l-Lee_> Gnome 2.x was great, but Gnome 3/Unity are just terrible
[22:37] <Sysi> I actually like gnome3 quite much, I hated old gnome
[22:38] <Sysi> something mixing unity/gnome3 would be perfect
[22:38] <Sysi> I'm propably still going back to xfce on my desktop
[22:39] <JeZ-l-Lee_> XFCE is very similar to classic Gnome 2.x
[22:39] <Sysi> not in the parts I like in xfce
[22:45] <JeZ-l-Lee_> I just hope XFCE does not become another KDE
[22:46] <JeZ-l-Lee_> tried KDE, made me feel ill
[22:47] <Phosphenes> How is xubuntu pronounced?
[22:47] <Phosphenes> subuntu, zubuntu?
[22:47] <JeZ-l-Lee_> "X"+ubuntu
[22:48] <Phosphenes> Okay, thanks.
[22:48] <JeZ-l-Lee_> just a guess
[22:48] <Phosphenes> lol
[22:48] <JeZ-l-Lee_> perhaps someone else here knows
[22:50] <JeZ-l-Lee_> I make open-source cross-platform games for Windows and Linux:  www.16BitSoft.com
[22:51] <knome> "zoobuntu" tends to be the most used
[23:32] <Phosphenes> lol there's a program called gigolo on here.
[23:35] <knome> yes.
[23:36] <Phosphenes> That is funny.
[23:38] <JeZ-l-Lee_> what does Gigolo do ?
[23:38] <knome> connect/mount to networks
[23:39] <JeZ-l-Lee_> sounds sexy
[23:39] <Phosphenes> That's why it's called gigolo.
[23:40] <JeZ-l-Lee_> on on my NetBook now - here is photo of my Xubuntu 11.04 desktop:  http://16bitsoft.com/images/MyXubuntuDesktop-NetBook01.png
[23:41] <JeZ-l-Lee_> top of screen is actually 3 panels
[23:49] <JeZ-l-Lee_> I figured out how to make window titlebars transparent, but am wondering how to make them fuzzy like Windows(R) Aero style
[23:58] <maxtor> ls
[23:58] <maxtor> lol, ls... bleh
[23:59] <maxtor> guys, wanna change gdm background on xubuntu.. information on the site seems not working
[23:59] <maxtor> it says link /usr/share/applications/gnome-appearahce stuff to somewhere in gdm things. but the file earlier is non existent