[00:53] <RAOF> Hm.  Why do I have a boot partition, and will this kernel fit on it? :)
[01:00] <TheMuso> RAOF: Morning. How was your trip back?
[01:02] <RAOF> TheMuso: Good morning!
[01:02] <RAOF> The trip back was pretty much as expected.  Although Frankfurt airport wasn't as crazy as I'd been lead to believe.
[01:03] <RAOF> Oh, and I got remided why not to get a Jetstar codeshare flight from Sydney rather than a real Qantas flight ):
[01:03] <TheMuso> And why is that?
[01:06] <RAOF> Because (a) you can't book your bags through to Hobart, (b) you have to make your own way from the international to domestic terminals, and (c) you then need to queue up (in the huge queue) and check in at the Jetstar desk.
[01:06] <TheMuso> Oh.
[01:06] <TheMuso> At least it wasn't Tiger.
[01:07] <RAOF> That would have been particularly painful!~
[01:08] <RAOF> I haven't heard precisely what “safety issues” have caused them to be grounded, but it's a sucky position for anyone who bought a ticket to be in.
[01:21] <AfC> robert_ancell: ping
[01:21] <robert_ancell> AfC, hello
[01:21] <AfC> robert_ancell: hey. Robert Collins just suggested I reach out to you here;
[01:22] <AfC> robert_ancell: [aside: I've got 2 bugs that I'm trying to file, but can't, because I'm not running 100% pure Canonical approved kool-aid. That's a conversation for another day]
[01:22] <AfC> robert_ancell: I just enabled multiple keyboard layouts, and hit an ugliness
[01:24] <AfC> robert_ancell: it seems that our gnome-settings-daemon package hitting a conflict also being linked against libappindicator3-1. The affect of that + whatever patches we've got in there (#gnome-shell wasn't terribly impressed) is that
[01:24] <AfC> robert_ancell: I've got a (you're not going to believe this)
[01:24] <AfC> "[broken image] gst-keyboard-xkb"
[01:24] <AfC> robert_ancell: in my notification area. (!)
[01:25] <AfC> gnome-shell's active layout indicator up next to accessibility & volume is working.
[01:26] <AfC> My suspicion is that something is causing a GtkStatusIcon to get created, perhaps as a mistaken fallback? It's got a menu.
[01:26] <AfC> bug #1: s/gst/gsd/
[01:26] <ubot2> AfC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug)
[01:26] <AfC> bah
[01:26] <AfC> "second bug": it being in notification area at all.
[01:26] <AfC> Short of me branching package and patching out libappindicator, I'm not sure what I can do.
[01:28] <robert_ancell> AfC, is there a bug open on this?
[01:28] <AfC> lifeless: perhaps you can explain that to robert_ancell :/
[01:28] <AfC> robert_ancell: apparently not.
[01:29] <AfC> robert_ancell: the closest I found was an oblique mention deep in https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/649809/comments/198
[01:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 649809 in gnome-settings-daemon "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,In progress]
[01:29] <lifeless> robert_ancell: AfC has the gnome3 ppa enabled and is not in the ubuntu bug control team
[01:29] <lifeless> robert_ancell: so ubuntu-bug won't report bugs, and launchpad redirects him to the wiki page saying to use ubuntu-bug.
[01:29] <lifeless> robert_ancell: I figured you'd want the info, so sent him here
[01:29] <AfC> All the other Google hits on "gst-keyboard-xkb" are about reordering things in the GNOME 2 / Unity  appindicator applet.
[01:29] <robert_ancell> lifeless, oh I see
[01:30] <lifeless> robert_ancell: since sending him off to the TB to change bug filing rules seems like a meta-meta-overkill
[01:30] <lifeless> robert_ancell: I decided to do the simpler thing and share the pain with you, roaf, TheMuso etc :)
[01:30] <AfC> robert_ancell: (hence someone people suggesting that gst- is a typo complicating things, and should have been gsd- but anyway)
[01:30] <robert_ancell> AfC, does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+filebug work?
[01:30] <AfC> Pain for everyone! Yeay :)
[01:31] <AfC> um, yes?
[01:31] <AfC> lifeless: Robert, I guess that's the magic string I was looking for....
[01:32] <lifeless> don't count chickens till the bugs are filed :>
[01:33] <AfC> lifeless: true :)
[01:33] <AfC> ok, typo file at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/805743
[01:33] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 805743 in gnome-settings-daemon "gst-keyboard-xkb should be gsd-keyboard-xkb" [Undecided,New]
[01:34] <RAOF> For what it's worth, I've noticed that problem in the gnome-shell session.
[01:35] <AfC> robert_ancell: https://lists.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/msg00296.html seems to refer to something appearing in notification area (so this may have been lurking for a while) but the linked screenshot is gone.
[01:35] <AfC> Not everybody has multiple keyboard layouts, so I can see how this would have gone largely unnoticed.
[01:36] <robert_ancell> AfC, can you link it to the upstream reeport?
[01:36] <AfC> um "that was people in #gnome-shell telling me to file against Ubuntu because they saw the problem arose through Ubuntu's patching"
[01:37] <AfC> and/or "I am upstream", take your pick :)
[01:39] <AfC> I could test that theory by patching out the libappindicator dependency and building a package, but that would make the problem go away for me without helping anyone else, and I wanted to try and figure this out.
[01:39] <AfC> Seems its compile time not runtime, though. So removing the library won't work.
[01:39] <AfC> [from a running system]
[01:53] <AfC> ok, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/805747 with the issue.
[01:53] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 805747 in gnome-settings-daemon "Unnecessary gst-keyboard-xkb appearing in Notification Area when multiple keyboard layouts enabled" [Undecided,New]
[02:38] <robert_ancell> AfC, is there an easy way to test the broken indicator?
[02:42] <robert_ancell> AfC1, is there an easy way to test the broken indicator?
[02:44] <RAOF> Fire up a GNOME session from lightdm while having >1 keyboard layout configured?
[02:44] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I have that, but it doesn't use the indicators
[02:45] <robert_ancell> RAOF, is there a shortcut key to switch layouts?
[02:45] <RAOF> Do you have an indicator in Unity?
[02:45] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yes, for sound
[02:45] <RAOF> But not for keyboard layouts?  Huh.
[02:46] <robert_ancell> RAOF, oh indicators... I was thinking of notifications
[02:46] <robert_ancell> blame ted
[02:46] <RAOF> BAH!  Stupid new control centre.  Of *course* keyboard layout isn't in the “Keyboard” capplet…
[02:46] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yeah, that just got me
[02:47] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so, still not seeing a problem...
[02:49] <AfC1> robert_ancell: "easy", perhaps not - but it should be trivially replicated:
[02:49] <RAOF> What I was seeing was: I have a keyboard layout indicator in Unity, with a bunch of layouts.  In gnome-shell, I have a notification icon (which, obviously, is hidden by default in the bottom right hand corner) with gst-something-kbd as the label and a broken icon.
[02:49] <AfC1> robert_ancell: System Settings → Region and Language →
[02:49] <AfC1> (no, it's not under Keyboard)
[02:49] <robert_ancell> AfC1, so this only occurs when in GNOME Shell?
[02:49] <AfC1> robert_ancell: → Layouts tab
[02:50] <AfC1> well, I'm always in gnome-shell, so I can't compare to anything else, but yes?
[02:50] <AfC1> robert_ancell: → '+' (add)
[02:51] <AfC1> robert_ancell: → pick something. Japan maybe. Dvorak perhaps :)
[02:52] <AfC1> pretty much immediately "USA" turned up in the top of the shell, with the second keyboard layout selectable from there.
[02:52] <AfC1> (I may have had to Alt+F2 r)
[02:52] <AfC1> anyway, ± from there, I started getting this weird thing in the Notification ARea
[03:00] <robert_ancell> AfC1, well, I changed the name.  It still shows with [unknown-icon] gsd-keyboard-xkb, but I guess it depends on how GNOME Shell is interpreting it
[03:01] <AfC1> ah
[03:01] <AfC1> Yes, I'd say you've replicated the bug
[03:01] <AfC1> [on the assumption that you agree with me that it shouldn't be showing anything :)]
[03:02] <robert_ancell> AfC1, so I've closed the bug as fixed, as it now has a logical name.  But there's probably a bug, what is this element and should it appear there?
[03:08] <AfC1> robert_ancell: you see the 2nd bug I filed?
[03:09] <robert_ancell> AfC1, no
[03:09] <AfC1> ah
[03:09] <AfC1> robert_ancell: filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/805747 with major issue.
[03:09] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 805747 in gnome-settings-daemon "Unnecessary gst-keyboard-xkb appearing in Notification Area when multiple keyboard layouts enabled" [Undecided,New]
[03:09] <AfC1> from ^ sorry you didn't see it
[03:10] <AfC1> robert_ancell: to answer your question, I have no idea what it is, and I assume it shouldn't be there [since shell went ahead with what I assume is js/ui/status/keyboard.js]
[03:12] <AfC1> robert_ancell: fmuellner in #gnome-shell speculated it was some kind of fallback codepath, perhaps triggered in response to [compile time] detection of libappindicator, but could be anything
[03:16] <AfC1> Time to recharge
[03:16] <AfC1> → out
[05:32] <RAOF> Hm.  I may need to *make* my lunch today.  Crazy.
[05:41] <TheMuso> heh
[04:58] <TheMuso> RAOF: At least you can make something that tastes nice. :)
[04:58] <RAOF> Mmm, there's some baked beans with pork belly reheating now :)
[04:58] <TheMuso> Sounds better than anything from the hotel last week. :0
[05:00] <pitti> Good morning
[05:00] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[05:00] <pitti> hey TheMuso
[05:01] <pitti> TheMuso, RAOF: made it back home in one piece?
[05:01] <TheMuso> pitti: Certainly did, long but uneventful.
[05:01] <RAOF> Yup.
[05:01] <RAOF> One somewhat tired piece :)
[05:01] <TheMuso> Yeah that too.
[05:32] <nomego> Hi guys, just installed gnome 3 and don't find any appearance settings anywhere, where do I look? Are these questions better suited for #ubuntu?
[05:36] <RAOF> nomego: Yes, better suited for #ubuntu.  Also, there are no gnome 3 appearance settings.
[05:36] <RAOF> (Although gnome-tweak-tool allows you to twiddle some knobs)
[05:38] <robert_ancell> RAOF, are you running up to date oneiric?  When you log out does the greeter show?
[05:38] <RAOF> Want me to check?
[05:38] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yes please
[05:38] <RAOF> I've updated this morning, but haven't yet logged out.
[05:47] <RAOF> robert_ancell: The greeter does show.
[05:47] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hmm, not on my oneiric box
[05:47] <RAOF> Man, though.  Both logging out and logging in are *slow*
[05:51] <RAOF> How was your trip home, btw?
[05:52] <robert_ancell> RAOF, less eventful than last time!
[05:53] <robert_ancell> actually Jason and I got upgraded to premium economy from Bangkok which was nice
[05:53] <RAOF> Nice!
[05:53] <TheMuso> Nice.
[06:00] <chrisccoulson> good morning
[06:01] <pitti> robert_ancell: hey Robert
[06:01] <pitti> chrisccoulson: good morning!
[06:01] <robert_ancell> RAOF, why is my oneiric box not displaying??   I can see in the log the greeter is running, and I can click on things and log in, but only the background displays
[06:01] <robert_ancell> pitti, hello
[06:01] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you?
[06:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson: cold is receding, pretty well again :) how about yourself?
[06:02] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Oooh, fun!  My guess is that you're hitting server-regenerate bugs :)
[06:02] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Good morning!
[06:02] <chrisccoulson> pitti, yeah, i'm not too bad thanks. although, i got woken quite early this morning
[06:02] <robert_ancell> RAOF, anything I can do to debug it?
[06:02] <pitti> robert_ancell: bug 802271 seems to be one of the remaining alpha-2 desktop blockers
[06:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 802271 in lightdm "Characters sent to tty1" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802271
[06:02] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Send me the Xorg.0.log?
[06:02] <robert_ancell> pitti, I have a candidate release, just testing it now
[06:03] <chrisccoulson> good evening RAOF ;)
[06:03] <chrisccoulson> hi robert_ancell
[06:03] <pitti> robert_ancell: would it be sufficient to set a vt number in lightdm.conf?
[06:03] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh, awesome
[06:03]  * pitti rings the bell for alpha-2 soft-freeze
[06:04] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, hello
[06:05] <chrisccoulson> huh? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74560113/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.firefox_5.0%2Bbuild1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[06:05] <chrisccoulson> i wonder why that only failed the second time around :/
[06:05] <chrisccoulson> that's weird
[06:07] <robert_ancell> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/638240
[06:11] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Well, nothing particularly seems to be broken there.  Once you log in does it start drawing correctly?
[06:11] <robert_ancell> RAOF, no, seems broken until I restart
[06:12] <RAOF> I'd *guess* that some accel state isn't being set correctly across regenerate, then.
[06:12] <robert_ancell> RAOF, it used to work :(
[06:12] <RAOF> When did it break?  Have we had an upload of xserver-xorg-video-ati since then?
[06:14] <RAOF> We had a new upstream on Friday afternoon, which might be your culprit.
[06:16]  * RAOF tries unsuccessfully to go to lunchpad.net
[06:17] <lifeless> \o/
[06:17] <RAOF> robert_ancell: If you install from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/1:6.14.0-0ubuntu5 does it work?
[06:17] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I only updated today, so it's been out of date for more than a week
[06:18] <RAOF> lifeless: You've got lunchpad.net hilighted? :)
[06:18] <lifeless> no, but I happened to be checking new traffic in IRC and saw it
[06:19] <RAOF> robert_ancell: You crazy non-bleeding-edge cat, you!
[06:19] <robert_ancell> RAOF, you want me do downgrade right?
[06:20] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Yes please.
[06:21] <robert_ancell> RAOF, same problem
[06:21] <RAOF> You restarted the X server, right?
[06:21] <RAOF> :)
[06:21] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yup.  I installed the -ati pacakge, perhaps I need more
[06:22] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  Sorry, the one you're after is -radeon.
[06:22] <RAOF> -ati is just a wrapper for selecting between r128, mach64, and radeon.
[06:24] <robert_ancell> RAOF, installed -radeon, same problem
[06:24] <RAOF> Your machine boots too quickly :P
[06:24] <RAOF> Bah.  Well, there goes a perfectly servicable hypothesis.
[06:24] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I didn't reboot
[06:25] <robert_ancell> RAOF, should I downgrade the -core package?
[06:26] <RAOF> You could give it a whirl.
[06:26]  * RAOF tries to pull up software-centre to see what's been updated in the past week.
[06:30] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hmm, my software center has what changed, but not in alphabetical order
[06:30] <RAOF> It's got it in chronological order, right?
[06:31] <robert_ancell> yrsh
[06:33] <RAOF> So, the only other target would appear to be mesa.
[06:33] <RAOF> How have you been testing whether the downgrades work?
[06:33] <robert_ancell> RAOF, dpkg -i, then restart lightdm
[06:35] <RAOF> And it works after restarting lightdm and then fails after logging out?
[06:36] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yup, every time
[06:37] <RAOF> Have you tried downgrading xserver-xorg-core yet?
[06:37] <RAOF> The only other obvious one would be mesa, but it's not obvious to me how that would kill rendering.
[06:39] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what version should I downgrade to? I've been trying to find it in the list of upgrades, but I upgraded >600M today
[06:40] <RAOF> For mesa, or xserver
[06:40] <RAOF> ?
[06:40] <robert_ancell> either
[06:40] <RAOF> The latest 7.10.3 version for mesa, and the previous version (whatever that was) for xserver.
[06:41] <RAOF> But I don't think there have been any xserver uploads in the relevant timeframe, so it's perhaps less likely to be the culprit.
[06:41] <robert_ancell> i was previously 7.10.3-0ubuntu2 for mesa
[06:41] <RAOF> That'd be fine.
[06:43] <RAOF> You'd be after (at least) libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri on that downgrade.
[06:51] <didrocks> good morning
[06:51] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:52] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti
[06:52] <didrocks> how are you?
[06:53] <pitti> didrocks: quit fine again, cold is receding
[06:53] <pitti> how are you?
[06:54] <didrocks> still sick, but I guess I have less temperature than yesterday
[06:55] <didrocks> pitti: for Qt: I'll take care of that right after alpha2 (need to make some changes anyway)
[06:56] <pitti> didrocks: urgh, you caught it too?
[06:56] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, but I wonder if it wasn't rather Julie's flu as I was feeling pretty well on Sunday
[06:56] <pitti> flu takes some 3 days of incubation
[06:57] <didrocks> so, I probably caught it at the rally
[06:58] <didrocks> was quite violent yesterday evening (39.5°C)… I was surprized to still have some more or less fresh mind yesterday :)
[07:01] <mvo> woah, get well didrocks!
[07:01] <robert_ancell> RAOF, no change with mesa update
[07:01] <didrocks> mvo: thanks ;)
[07:02] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Well, that's kinda good.  I couldn't think of any reason why that would break it!
[07:05] <pitti> didrocks: compiz still b-deps on NBS libgnome-window-settings-dev; can that be dropped?
[07:05] <pitti> didrocks: want me to try building without?
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: I can try this, let me first check in the code why it was dep on it
[07:08] <pitti> didrocks: it seems it doesn't binary-depend on libgnome-window-settings0
[07:08] <didrocks> pitti: seems it will remove the g-c-c integration
[07:08] <pitti> so it might be an obsolete b-dep?
[07:08] <didrocks> gtk/CMakeLists.txt deps on it though
[07:09] <rschroder> hi
[07:10] <pitti> didrocks: so it doesn't use the library, just a file from the -dev?
[07:11] <pitti> didrocks: might that be in libgnome-control-center-dev or gnome-control-center-dev now?
[07:12] <didrocks> pitti: I'm wondering, the thing is that compiz is making a lot of dlopen, hence the fact we shouldn't rely on the linked deps. Let me look a llittle bit more
[07:12] <pitti> oh
[07:12] <didrocks> libgnome-window-settings-dev provides it
[07:13] <didrocks> if I only look for the pc file
[07:14] <RAOF> robert_ancell: The final candidate would be the kernel, I guess.
[07:15] <robert_ancell> duh, duh, duhhh!!!
[07:15] <rschroder> i had an french keyboard layout; changed to us (via dpkg-reconfigre console-setup), then I wanted to have the € symbol on altgr+5, I set it up in gnome-keyboard-properties, then I changed back to french layout (delete the USA in kb-properties as well) and I deleted the € symbol config. I works in gnome, but it doesn't work on the ttys or fluxbox (by "doesn't work" I mean still € symbol on 5). Btw: when applying the default values in gnome
[07:15] <rschroder> -keyboard-properties, the € symbol on 5 is again configured in gnome. I somehow feel that I could work it out by changing the default values in gconf?
[07:17] <didrocks> pitti: I'm starting to wonder if this is necessary, USE_GNOME_KEYBINDINGS should be enough alone IMHO
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: it seems it's the integration with g-c-c to automatically pick the new settings when changing a key in the ui. It's at most deprecated then
[07:24] <pitti> didrocks: that's for the keyboard accelerator capplet, or which "key"?
[07:28] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it was for the keyboard acc capplet, like activate zoom, workspace change key, and such…
[07:34] <pitti> RAOF: libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental-dbg want to go to universe; do they still have a purpose these days, now that the 3D drivers are in the main package?
[07:36] <pitti> robert_ancell: in case you fall asleep soon, would it be ok to set vt=7 in lightdm.conf at least as a workaround for alpha-2?
[07:36] <pitti> (I can do an upload for that if necessary)
[07:36] <robert_ancell> pitti, I uploaded 0.4.2, is it blocked?
[07:37] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh, does that fix bug 802271? the changelog doesn't say so
[07:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 802271 in lightdm "Characters sent to tty1" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802271
[07:37] <robert_ancell> pitti, well, I *think* it does, but I don't have a reliable Plymouth to test it on
[07:37] <pitti> ah, ok; will try it then
[07:40] <RAOF> pitti: Oh, yeah.  Those were in main because we wanted to have them jockey-able on the livecd, right?  They're perfectly suited to universe now.
[07:43] <hrw> hi
[07:43] <hrw> did someone has a situation when evolution remembers all email accounts but folder list does not show some of them?
[07:43] <hrw> imapx accounts
[07:44] <robert_ancell> pitti, heading off now, if the new version fixes it and gets into A2 then great, otherwise please make the vt=7 change.  Thanks!
[07:47] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I'll see if I can reproduce your issue on my own radeon system.
[07:47] <robert_ancell> RAOF, cheers.
[08:06] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:08] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[08:10] <seb128> hey
[08:10] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:10] <seb128> (sorry, having internet issues today there)
[08:11] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[08:11] <pitti> seb128: quite a bit better, thanks! how about yourself?
[08:11] <seb128> I'm great thanks
[08:11] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks, seb128, pitti
[08:11] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:11] <seb128> hey rodrigo_ didrocks
[08:12] <fta2> hi guys
[08:12] <fta2> seb128, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/compiz-memory.png
[08:12] <seb128> hey fta2
[08:12] <didrocks> salut fta2
[08:13] <fta2> seb128, between 23:00 and 6:30, and after ~7:00, the desktop was idle.
[08:15] <seb128> fta2, without indicator-multiload right?
[08:16] <seb128> didrocks, I should rather ask there, how is unity today?
[08:16] <seb128> did anybody upgrade yet?
[08:16] <chrisccoulson>  i'm running the latest version
[08:16] <didrocks> seb128: not sure, people on forum are telling it's working :)
[08:17] <stgraber> I upgraded yesterday, seems to work here (didn't really see any difference)
[08:17] <didrocks> no issue noticed there
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> same here
[08:17] <njpatel> seb128, fta leak with indicator-multiload?
[08:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? how is your unity? ;-)
[08:17] <njpatel> I thought we fixed that....
[08:17] <fta2> seb128, right. just before 7:00, i stopped evo, liferea and chromium (all were running during the night)
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, good thanks. and unity is fine ;)
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[08:17] <seb128> njpatel, he said he's lower without indicator-multiload but still an issue
[08:18] <njpatel> seb128, sure, -multiload is just exacerbating the situation
[08:18] <fta2> njpatel, no, indicator-multiload was not running during this period (but it was before, and the leak was worse)
[08:19] <seb128> njpatel, right, you fixed it, my guess is that tim's refactoring in r1208 leaks again
[08:19] <seb128> njpatel, I will try to valgrind it today
[08:20] <seb128> desrt, hey there
[08:21] <fta2> btw, it's the same at work, using x64. compiz is huge
[08:21] <njpatel> seb128, fta2 thanks for the work, I'll make sure to also take a look this week to see if I can spot the issue
[08:21] <pitti> seb128: do you know whether we still actually need the seahorse-plugins source? it seems quite obsolete, and the only recent upstream commits are translations
[08:23] <seb128> pitti, not sure if there is anything useful left for some users but we don't need it in main for sure
[08:24] <pitti> seb128: it's not even installable right now
[08:24] <seb128> pitti, right, doing a git snapshot would fix that
[08:24] <pitti> ah, ok; demoting to universe for nwo
[08:24] <seb128> pitti, we have a ton of things that "could be fixed", I don't think we should spend our cycle fixing those though
[08:24] <seb128> like things that need porting to gtk3
[08:24] <pitti> seb128: right, I wondered whether we should remove the source
[08:24] <pitti> or demote
[08:24] <seb128> or to the new gnome-applet api
[08:25] <seb128> pitti, you can't drop it and we will bring it back if somebody is wanting to work on it
[08:25] <pitti> I don't care about seahorse-plugins, I just stumbled over it on the NBS list
[08:25] <seb128> or if debian updates it
[08:25] <pitti> as it's the main package with the most NBS depends
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, btw the day you get bored (if that happens), do you want to update gnome-session to 3.1?
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, there seems to not be a lot of changes so it might be easy
[08:30] <seb128> (note the "seems" and "might" ;-)
[08:33] <fta2> i still have a metacity & g-s-d crash in gdm, followed by a new e-addressbook-factory crash after login
[08:33] <didrocks> seb128: hum, I'll do it this week then, a day I feel lukcy :)
[08:33] <didrocks> lucky*
[08:33] <seb128> didrocks, thanks ;-)
[08:33]  * didrocks thinks we should get someone on the server team on the MIR team, reviewing my 10th server team MIR request in a few day…
[08:34] <fta2> Title: e-addressbook-factory crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()
[08:35] <fta2> somewhere in gio/gdbusconnection.c
[08:36] <Sweetshark> Morning all!
[08:37] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[08:42] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Hey, you might be able to help… what would be the canonical way of extracting data from Firefox (bookmarks, mainly)?
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, is this in the context of gnome-do? ;)
[08:43] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Could well be :)
[08:43] <Sweetshark> As I feared the 3.3.3-4ubuntu1 build now breaks because of the jh_depends bug. I slept a night over it and it seems on first sight like none of the fixes introduced with debian revisions 2,3,4 are critical for us, so we might just SRU 1ubuntu1 for now. Reverting part of the changes again to get rid of the dep seems errorprone to me.
[08:43] <Sweetshark> pitti: ^
[08:44] <pitti> Sweetshark: ok, works for me
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, good question. i'm not sure there is one at the moment, without writing an extension to push the data out of firefox
[08:44] <pitti> chrisccoulson: doesn't the apport hook already do some of this?
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> pitti - not really. the apport hook figures out some things, such as, which extensions are installed
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> but fetching bookmarks requires access to places.sqlite, which is locked whilst firefox is running
[08:45] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: And an extension could be written that would (a) not be broken easily by firefox updates and (b) have access to the filesystem?
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, certainly the second one ;)
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> the first one is a bit more tricky
[08:46] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Yeah.  We currently copy places.sqlite and then read the copy, but I'm sick of trying to keep it updated to database schema changes.
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> the addon SDK will provide a stable interface for developing extensions which won't break during updates, but i'm not sure it has the API you need right now
[08:51] <mpt> chrisccoulson, hi, I just clicked Firefox's Home button and got this: http://i.imgur.com/KXjiy.png
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> wtf, i thought that was fixed :/
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> mpt - which version are you running?
[08:52] <mpt> chrisccoulson, 5.0
[08:53] <mpt> chrisccoulson, 5.0+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.11.04.2
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> mpt - what does "browser.startup.homepage" in about:config?
[08:54] <mpt> chrisccoulson, "about:startpage" (as, coincidentally, can be seen in the screenshot)
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> mpt - does it say "default" or "user set" in the status column?
[08:55] <mpt> chrisccoulson, default
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> that's quite confusing, it should be impossible :/
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> when did it start?
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> did you run a nightly in your profile btw?
[08:58] <mpt> chrisccoulson, I first noticed it this morning, but I think that might be the first time I've ever used Firefox's home button
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> oh, forget that, i'm looking at the wrong tab
[08:58] <mpt> chrisccoulson, I have never run a Firefox nightly that I know of
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> does it happen every time you click on the home button?
[08:59] <mpt> (since installing this Ubuntu)
[08:59] <mpt> chrisccoulson, yes, happens every time
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> mpt - is there anything in the error console?
[09:01] <mpt> chrisccoulson, when I click Home, one new thing appears in the error console: "Invalid chrome URI: /"
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> mpt - does it give a filename/line number?
[09:03] <mpt> chrisccoulson, no, that's all it says
[09:05] <mpt> chrisccoulson, I figured it out. It seems to be a bug in the "New Tab King" extension
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> ah :)
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> i should have asked you if you had any extensions first ;)
[09:06] <mpt> With the "Ubuntu Firefox Modifications" extension disabled, I get similar symptoms but with much less text
[09:06] <mpt> With UFM enabled but NTK disabled, I don't get the problem at all
[09:07] <mpt> Sorry for the false alarm
[09:10] <mvo> hrm, hrm, so gir is not for the faint of heart … I wonder why Gst-1.0.gir has gst_bus_set_sync_handler as introspectable="0" and what the alternative is
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> mpt, no problem
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> it's definitely a bug in that extension btw, it reads the homepage pref incorrectly
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> it uses getCharPref when it should be getComplexValue
[09:20] <didrocks> pitti: I think I have a compiz version without the NBS build-deps. (but still shipping the needed .desktop file for session startup). Do you think it's better to wait fo post alpha2 to upload it?
[09:20] <pitti> didrocks: yes, it's not urgent
[09:20] <pitti> didrocks: thanks!
[09:20] <didrocks> pitti: yw :)
[09:23] <desrt> seb128: pong
[09:29] <seb128> desrt, hey
[09:29] <seb128> desrt, do you have any clue if bugs like bug #805797 are glib, gtk or nautilus issues?
[09:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805797 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in ffi_prep_args()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805797
[09:29] <desrt> ouch
[09:30] <desrt> seb128: i recommend asking david
[09:30] <mvo> is it just me or is library.gnome.org in a not very good state? search not working, can't find GdkWindow in gtk3 all in all, not very pleasent
[09:30] <desrt> i assume this is a straight C programming situation?
[09:30] <seb128> mvo, you should ask on #gnome-hackers, it's supposed to work
[09:30] <seb128> desrt, yes, it's using standard nautilus
[09:31] <desrt> seb128: so the use of ffi is probably the generic marshallers.  ask david.
[09:31] <seb128> desrt, jibel said he gets it while renaming and using non standard char keys
[09:31] <desrt> fascinating.
[09:31] <seb128> desrt, will ask david, thanks
[09:36] <jml> good morning
[09:40] <seb128> hey jml
[09:46] <jml> hi :)
[10:01] <didrocks> pitti: so, basically, libsqlite0 is sqlite2 if I understand correctly, right?
[10:03] <pitti> didrocks: correct
[10:04] <didrocks> pitti: ok, sounds easy enough, just need then a rebuild of kubuntu-full without the dep on the qt sqlite2 package + removing the build option
[10:04] <didrocks> will discuss that with scottk and prepare the change for post alpha2
[10:05] <pitti> didrocks: I updated the kubuntu seeds
[10:05] <pitti> didrocks: thanks!
[10:06] <didrocks> yw ;)
[10:06] <didrocks> pitti: oh nice!
[10:06] <pitti> meh @ seeding libraries
[10:08] <didrocks> yeah, sounds weird…
[10:09] <didrocks> I didn't get why kubuntu-full deps on everything instead of just all applications
[10:10] <pitti> chrisccoulson: do you plan an upload of firefox-globalmenu anytime soon? it depends on the NBS libdbusmenu-glib3 libdbusmenu-gtk3
[10:11] <seb128> pitti, those are not going away until we fix json-glib to build on armel
[10:12] <seb128> then build libdbusmenu
[10:12] <seb128> then rebuild all the indicators
[10:12] <pitti> ah, those are on armel only
[10:12] <pitti> amd64, too
[10:12] <seb128> it's all blocked on the json-glib armel ftbfs
[10:12] <pitti> ok, thanks
[10:12] <seb128> I pinged Janimo during the rally about it
[10:12] <seb128> he said he would have a look
[10:15] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you plan to upload g-c-c today? you should probably patch out the online account thing first, it's going to take a bit to get promoted etc
[10:16] <seb128> well packaged first, reviewed, accepted, mir-ed etc
[10:16] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, just almost done with g-o-a
[10:16] <rodrigo_> but yes, need to disable that in g-c-c
[10:16] <seb128> ok
[10:16] <seb128> let me know if you need reviews
[10:16] <rodrigo_> yes, I will
[10:16] <rodrigo_> I need some help now, I had to add a patch, and it's not getting applied
[10:16] <pitti> seb128, rodrigo_: (just keep the alpha-2 freeze in mind -- no breakage/new dependencies/uninstallability please )
[10:17] <rodrigo_> so, having debian/source/format is enough, right?
[10:17] <seb128> pitti, yes, I do, I refrained to upload GNOME 3.1.3 libs
[10:17] <rodrigo_> pitti, ok, will upload g-c-c then with the online accounts disabled
[10:18] <seb128> pitti, g-c-c is the settings shell ui nowadays, shouldn't break anything
[10:18] <pitti> thanks
[10:18] <seb128> it's a standalone piece of software
[10:18] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, will upload g-o-a and the dep on g-c-c just after alpha2 then
[10:18] <pitti> uploading fixes etc. is fine
[10:27] <pitti> yay, new lightdm fixes the 'starts on vt1' issue \o/
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i uploaded firefox last night, but it hung the builders
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> and then timed out
[10:28] <pitti> eww :/ on a test case again?
[10:28] <pitti> should we try a rebuild?
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, on a test case
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> i'll upload again with the problematic test removed. it actually causes a massive memory leak in firefox here
[10:30] <rodrigo_> hmm, how do I add other project tasks to a bug? 'also affects project' just lets me add an upstream bug
[10:31] <rodrigo_> ah, 'also affects distribution' , right?
[10:32] <pitti> rodrigo_: upstream bugs are for projects
[10:32] <pitti> rodrigo_: "also affects distribution" is for another ubuntu package
[10:32] <rodrigo_> ok, that's what I wanted, yes :)
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, it's pretty bad that we cause a crashtest to fail by leaking memory and then crashing. i hope we haven't regressed the original bug somehow :/
[10:36] <rodrigo_> pitti, I'm about to submit g-c-c with the external panels thing, so I've added tasks for all the projects we want a panel for, except for language-selector, which I think should be replaced by the region panel, which is about to get all the stuff we need
[10:36] <rodrigo_> pitti, so, if you can think of any other project that needs to be added, let me know please
[10:36] <didrocks> desrt: hey, how can I get you making a nice and beautiful upstream tarball for dconf-qt so that I can sneak that into oneiric?
[10:36] <pitti> rodrigo_: thanks
[10:42] <rodrigo_> seb128, did you have time to look at the evo-rss branch for http://launchpad.net/bugs/773763 ?
[10:42] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 773763 in evolution-rss "evolution freeze on startup with the plug-in "evolution-rss"" [High,In progress]
[10:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, can do after lunch
[10:43] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, no hurry, just want to see my bugcount low down a bit, after last week's pedro's and jean baptiste's madness :)
[10:43] <seb128> ;-)
[10:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, you should do a g-c-c bug fixing day this week ;-)
[10:43] <seb128> lunch there
[10:43] <seb128> bbl
[10:43] <rodrigo_> it's g-c-c bug fixing day every day for me :)
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> can we have a firefox bug fixing day too?
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> to fix all the failing reftests in the test suite :)
[10:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: feedback after a day using thunderbird: I'm quite pleased with it, apart from the indicator stuff, I'm just disappointed about regular ui freeze and not really integrated with the ubuntu theme. Apart from that, it's nice :)
[10:44] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, maybe a joint one for both g-c-c and thunderbird?
[10:44] <rodrigo_> and firefox
[10:44] <didrocks> (and the fact that you can destroy all your emails in two regular clicks)
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, cool, thanks. the indicator stuff will definitely be improving (the current implementation is fairly young)
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, the theme will also be getting a refresh, as per these mockups: http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=172
[10:46] <didrocks> oh andreas' mockup will make it upstream? nice! :)
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i think he's working on that
[10:46] <didrocks> excellent :)
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, how did you destroy your e-mails? that seems like something we should try and fix :)
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> pitti, ok, firefox reuploaded again now
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> will hopefully build this time ;)
[10:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: did you disable the test?
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i just switched off all the crashtests for now. i can't disable individual tests without patching them out
[10:49] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: basically, I ran Tools-> Run Junk Mail control…
[10:49] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it marked almost all my email in inbox as spam, which isn't the case
[10:49] <didrocks> so, seeing that, I wanted to remove the mark before the junk put in the trash
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, hmm, is that reproducible?
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> actually
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> you probably don't want to try it again ;)
[10:50] <didrocks> and I misread tools->Delete Emails Marked as junk in folder as "Delete Marked as junk in folder"
[10:50] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[10:51] <didrocks> well imap shouldn't delete emails, I got them back with evolution, just "mark as deleted"
[10:51] <didrocks> but still, having everything marked as junk, even email people just send to me is weird
[10:51] <didrocks> can it be because my system is in French and all emails in english and so, it tries to be too clever?
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure how that stuff works
[10:52] <didrocks> was… frigthening :)
[11:07] <tjaalton> banshee in oneiric doesn't listen to media keys?
[11:10] <seif> didrocks, around?
[11:10] <didrocks> seif: yes
[11:10] <seif> 2 issues
[11:11] <seif> where is john
[11:11] <hrw> cjwatson: debootstrap hack for bug 802985 provided as debdiff - take a look
[11:11] <didrocks> seif: seems that John is on holidays for the other discussion
[11:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 802985 in eglibc "[lucid] /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: 399: arithmetic expression: expecting EOF: "3.0-0-generic"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802985
[11:11] <didrocks> seif: so we can wait mid July maybe?
[11:11] <seif> didrocks, sure thing
[11:11] <seif> i will finish the stuff to be just a matter of glueing
[11:11] <seif> didrocks, question 2
[11:11] <didrocks> seif: excellent ;)
[11:12] <seif> who do i go to to talk abotu the "volume buttons" on my thinkpad not working anymore ?
[11:12] <seb128> hrw: you might want to use #ubuntu-devel for non desktop issues
[11:12] <didrocks> seif: I would tell it's a kernel issue? so #ubuntu-kernel?
[11:12] <hrw> seb128: ops. got name of channel shorted
[11:12] <didrocks> can be g-s-d as well of course
[11:13] <stgraber> seif: on Oneiric since the last update?
[11:13] <seif> stgraber, yes sir
[11:13] <stgraber> I have 5 days uptime on my laptop (x201s) and got that issue since my last logout/login
[11:13] <stgraber> so I'm fairly sure it's not kernel
[11:13] <didrocks> it's working there, well still not picking the right icon…
[11:14] <stgraber> didrocks: anything I can do to debug the issue?
[11:14] <stgraber> didrocks: I correctly see XF86AudioLowerVolume and XF86AudioRaiseVolume in xev
[11:14] <didrocks> stgraber: apart from xev, I have absolutely no idea on how to debug that, let me check of my pending updates first
[11:14] <seif> stgraber, i am sure its not kernel too
[11:14] <stgraber> seif: if you run "xev", do you also see XF86AudioLowerVolume and XF86AudioRaiseVolume?
[11:15] <seif> because i can click them and see in they keyboard thingie their assignment
[11:15] <seif> KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x3a00001,
[11:15] <seif>     root 0xad, subw 0x0, time 444224, (585,268), root:(587,381),
[11:15] <seif>     state 0x0, keycode 123 (keysym 0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume), same_screen YES,
[11:15] <seif>     XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
[11:15] <seif>     XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
[11:15] <seif>     XFilterEvent returns: False
[11:15] <seif> KeyRelease event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x3a00001,
[11:15] <didrocks> stgraber: seif: hum, I have a g-s-d pending update, let me try
[11:15] <seif>     root 0xad, subw 0x0, time 444375, (585,268), root:(587,381),
[11:15] <seif>     state 0x0, keycode 123 (keysym 0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume), same_screen YES,
[11:15] <seif>     XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
[11:15] <tjaalton> xev shows those just fine, dconf has them, but at least banshee doesn't listen to them
[11:15] <seif>     XFilterEvent returns: False
[11:16] <seif> stgraber, the whole DE does not listen to them
[11:16] <seb128> pitti, why did you drop gnome-pilot from oneiric?
[11:16] <tjaalton> btw, upgrade from natty removed mp3 support etc
[11:16] <stgraber> ok, I have the same thing as seif here. I see the events coming through just fine but don't get the notify-osd thingy nor any change of volume on my system
[11:16] <seif> stgraber, yes exactly
[11:16] <tjaalton> I was about to file a bug about that
[11:16] <tjaalton> should I still do that?
[11:17] <tjaalton> about the media keys
[11:17] <didrocks> let me first check with upgrading g-s-d
[11:19] <didrocks> (taking time while building qt source package, poor laptop…)
[11:20] <didrocks> stgraber: seif tjaalton: confirm, latest g-s-d update is guilty
[11:21] <tjaalton> didrocks: thanks
[11:21] <seb128> it's rodrigo_'s fault again!
[11:21] <tjaalton> I also filed a crasher on the login against g-s-d
[11:21] <seb128> likely a duplicate of some of the recents ones
[11:22] <tjaalton> yep
[11:22] <didrocks> rodrigo_: I'm afraid you have additional incoming work ;)
[11:22] <rodrigo_> my fault? again? :-)
[11:22] <tjaalton> funny that lp didn't suggest one
[11:22] <rodrigo_> didrocks, no problem
[11:22] <tjaalton> though it did for metacity
[11:22] <didrocks> rodrigo_: I just confirm that keybinding for volume sounds don't work after your last update
[11:22] <tjaalton> anyone with a synaptics touchpad and willing to test an update?
[11:23] <seif> tjaalton, i have one
[11:23] <tjaalton> seif: you had alps :)
[11:23] <tjaalton> no wait
[11:23] <tjaalton> not sure which one it was, seb128 had alps
[11:24] <seif> what is alps
[11:24] <tjaalton> touchpad vendor
[11:24] <tjaalton> you have synaptics, let me prepare a package. 32 or 64bit?
[11:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, the g-s-d update broken multimedia keys it seems
[11:24] <seb128> -n
[11:28] <rodrigo_> didrocks, ok
[11:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, didrocks: just assign the bugs to me, getting my queue cleaned up quickly, now that both g-s-d and g-c-c 3.1.3 are in
[11:29] <seb128> tjaalton, seif: ^
[11:29] <seb128> get a bug open and give us the number
[11:32] <tjaalton> ok, filing
[11:38] <fta2> hm, my custom key bindings are broken
[11:38] <didrocks> fta2: maybe linked to that ^
[11:39] <fta2> didrocks, i used to have XF86Calculator bound to lock screen
[11:39] <didrocks> fta2: probably the same issue (see the scrollbar for the last 15 minutes)
[11:39] <didrocks> scrollback*
[11:40] <desrt> didrocks: can't you build from git?
[11:40] <didrocks> desrt: sure, but I was thinking that you prefer doing a tarball. building from git and creating myself a tarball is fine (for pushing in oneiric)
[11:41] <didrocks> desrt: btw, any reason you don't provide any .pc file?
[11:41] <desrt> i guess i'd prefer that, in fact
[11:41] <seb128> desrt, is there anything that could be blocking in gtkapplication unique apis?
[11:41] <desrt> seb128: how do you mean?
[11:41] <seb128> desrt, gedit hangs sometimes when being run there
[11:41] <desrt> :(
[11:41] <fta2> didrocks, I read it. xev sees the KeyPress & KeyRelease events for this key
[11:41] <desrt> seb128: do you have a backtrace to the hang?
[11:41] <didrocks> fta2: so yeah, should be the same issue… subsribe to tjaalton's bug once filed
[11:42] <desrt> didrocks: dconf-qt is intended to be used dynamically from QML, so i don't know that a .pc file makes sense
[11:42] <fta2> ok
[11:42] <desrt> the API is *really* poorly suited to C++
[11:42] <didrocks> desrt: only for qml so? We shouldn't ship the .h?
[11:43] <desrt> didrocks: i guess not
[11:43] <didrocks> fine with me :)
[11:43] <seb128> desrt, it's pretty weird behaviour
[11:43] <desrt> depends on how they intended to use it
[11:43] <desrt> but i think they will use only QML
[11:43] <desrt> as for the tarball, if you want to package out of git, i think that is best
[11:43] <seb128> desrt, strace blocks there, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/638363/
[11:43] <didrocks> we can first head for QML, and see after if larger use case is needed
[11:43] <tjaalton> rodrigo_: bug 805908
[11:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805908 in gnome-settings-daemon "multimedia keys not working" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805908
[11:43] <desrt> i don't know what the proper methods are for producing a tarball using qmake are
[11:44] <didrocks> desrt: ok, I'll do that, no worry. Thanks a lot :)
[11:44] <desrt> seb128: did you package a new glib after my mucking around?
[11:44] <seb128> desrt, running gdb gedit, (gdb) run leads gedit to exit
[11:44] <rodrigo_> didrocks, ok
[11:44] <desrt> it appears not.
[11:44] <rodrigo_> sorry, tjaalton: ok
[11:44] <desrt> we didn't release a new one
[11:44] <seb128> desrt, no, it's 2.29.8
[11:44] <seb128> desrt, I've the issue since I'm on oneiric
[11:44] <desrt> okay.  rules out one possibility :)
[11:45] <seb128> it just annoys me enough that I want to figure what is going on
[11:45] <seb128> gedit runs fine from unity
[11:45] <seb128> or with sudo
[11:45] <desrt> okay.  i'm confused.
[11:45] <seb128> but run from a command line (g-t) it hangs
[11:45] <desrt> what has gedit to do with multimedia keys?
[11:45] <desrt> oh.  wrong url.
[11:46] <desrt> nevermind :)
[11:46] <seb128> desrt, that bug was not for you ;-)
[11:46] <seb128> desrt, not sure why running "gedit" leads to loading its .desktop
[11:46] <pedro_> hello folks!
[11:46] <seb128> but that's where it hangs
[11:46] <rodrigo_> hey pedro_
[11:46] <seb128> pedro_, hola!
[11:46] <pedro_> gedit bug?
[11:46] <desrt> seb128: no.  that's what happens just before it hangs :)
[11:46] <seb128> desrt, the strace log you mean?
[11:47] <desrt> the reading the desktop file
[11:47] <desrt> it could be entirely unrelated since the poll is almost certainly back in the mainloop again
[11:47] <desrt> hm
[11:47] <desrt> i wonder if this has to do with the eventfd thing that colin did
[11:48] <desrt> ricotz was seeing random periodic lockups due to that, iirc
[11:48] <seb128> desrt, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/638371/
[11:48] <desrt> like, it wasn't waking the mainloop properly
[11:48] <seb128> gdb attached to the process shows it's sitting in pool
[11:48] <seb128> like if it was running
[11:48] <seb128> but not ui is ever displayed
[11:48] <desrt> yes.  of course.
[11:48] <seb128> if I run a gedit from unity it does attach to it
[11:48] <desrt> it's probably waiting for a dbus reply or something
[11:48] <seb128> i.e open a tab
[11:48] <seb128> right
[11:48] <seb128> which made me things about gtkapplication
[11:49] <seb128> (the dbus reply)
[11:49] <desrt> could be.
[11:49] <seb128> think
[11:49] <desrt> but that code is uncomplicated and hasn't changed in a while
[11:49] <seb128> any clue how I could debug that?
[11:49] <seb128> it will do it until a session restart no
[11:49] <seb128> now
[11:49] <desrt> is this before or after the eventfd change that was causing problems on the builders?
[11:49] <seb128> can I unset an environement or try something?
[11:49] <seb128> desrt, before, I don't think we got a tarball since the eventfd thing
[11:49] <desrt> hmm
[11:49] <seb128> ricotz was just snapshoting git
[11:49] <desrt> suspicious
[11:50] <seb128> lool was having a similar issue at the rally, I should have grabbed you for debugging there :-(
[11:51] <desrt> indeed
[11:51] <seb128> what I don't get is why it start happening sometimes and is broken for the session run
[11:51] <seb128> is there a server side that could be screwed?
[11:51] <seb128> like is it trying to contact a session service?
[11:51] <lool> isn't that the xauth list thing?
[11:51] <desrt> ahhhh
[11:51] <seb128> lool, well, I don't think so, it doesn't do it consistently there
[11:52] <lool> "xauth list" times out here, it can't create a lock in the lightdm dir
[11:52] <desrt> could be gnome-session is wedged
[11:52] <seb128> lool, it works most of the time but sometimes it get screwed
[11:52] <lool> oh I can run gedit again
[11:52] <seb128> and it doesn't unscrew until I restart my session
[11:52] <desrt> i've seen the problem before that gnome-session crashes and causes all apps to hang when they try to do session management registration
[11:52] <desrt> s/crashes/wedges/
[11:52] <lool> desrt: yeah, lsat week gedit was hanging on startup as well as other apps; it could well have been session mgmt; it's working today though
[11:53] <lool> (I rebooted a couple of times in the mean time)
[11:53] <desrt> i bet it's session management
[11:53] <seb128> could well be
[11:53] <seb128> what else out of gedit is trying to register to the session?
[11:53] <lool> seb128 and I had looked at strace and gdb, but it wasn't terribly inspiring
[11:54] <seb128> lool, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/638371/
[11:54] <seb128> lool, that's a strace
[11:54] <seb128> gdb shows normal polling
[11:54] <seb128> like if it was running
[11:54] <cdbs|web> seb128: pitti: What's GCC doing on the Oneiric LiveCD?
[11:54] <stgraber> required for dkms
[11:54] <seb128> cdbs|web, what stgraber said
[11:54] <cdbs|web> stgraber: When did dkms get on the cd?
[11:54] <seb128> useful to build drivers
[11:54] <cdbs|web> I don't think it was there for natty
[11:54] <desrt> seb128: find out what gnome-session is doing meantime
[11:54] <lool> seb128: what's fd 3?
[11:54] <cdbs|web> remember having to install it manually
[11:55] <seb128> desrt, I've no real clue how to debug gnome-session...
[11:55] <seb128> vuntz, hey -)
[11:55] <seb128> ;-)
[11:55] <desrt> seb128: attach gdb and backtrace it
[11:55] <desrt> if i am correct you will find it somewhere other than the mainloop
[11:55] <lool> desrt: there's a --sm-client-disable flag which might allow startup and prove that it's sm related?
[11:56] <desrt> lool: ah yes.  good call.
[11:58] <desrt>  /k dbarth vacation!
[11:58] <seb128> still handing with --sm-client-disable
[11:58] <desrt> hmm.
[11:58] <seb128> gdb is not useful
[11:58] <seb128> but I doubt it's the session
[11:58] <seb128> I can run gedit from unity
[11:58] <seb128> like alt-f2 gedit works
[11:59] <desrt> so back to wondering about GApplication, i suppose
[11:59] <didrocks> cdbs|web: hey, where are you with the "integrate to unity" spec?
[11:59] <dbarth> desrt: i'm not there, you don't see me ;)
[12:01] <cdbs|web> didrocks: Yeah, I didn't tell you recently about it
[12:01] <cdbs|web> didrocks: wasn't able to hop on the internet for a while
[12:01] <cdbs|web> didrocks: my laptop broke down, I'll do most of them in A3
[12:01] <desrt> seb128: the fact that it begins to happen and then continues until logout makes me doubt GApplication just because it doesn't hold that sort of state
[12:02] <cdbs|web> didrocks: I'll implement that thing in brasero today/tomorrow, the rest in A3
[12:02] <cdbs|web> BLAME DELL
[12:02] <seb128> desrt, ok, could be gnome-session, I'm just puzzled about why it runs from unity and not from a command line
[12:02] <vuntz> desrt: mmh?
[12:02] <vuntz> err, that was for seb128 :-)
[12:02] <didrocks> cdbs|web: sounds good, bad for your laptop though:/
[12:02] <cdbs|web> didrocks: yeah, just got it back after 2 weeks, with a non-working USB port now :(
[12:02] <cdbs|web> problems after problems
[12:03] <pitti> cdbs|web: uh, thanks for pointing out -- dkms and gcc are indeed not supposed to be on the cd
[12:03] <seb128> vuntz, is there any way to see if a client application hangs in session talks?
[12:03] <cdbs|web> pitti: I was surprised to find gcc already installed when I just installed oneiric again
[12:03] <seb128> vuntz, gedit refuses to start from a command line sometimes there until I restart my session
[12:04] <cdbs|web> pitti: Was it part of a plan to put the drivers on the cd?
[12:04] <pitti> cdbs|web: no, it wasn't
[12:04]  * pitti checks germinate
[12:04] <cyphermox> howdy
[12:05] <pitti> cdbs|web: dkms isn't on the CDs
[12:06] <pitti> cdbs|web: wait, that doesn't seem to be a recent change
[12:06] <cyphermox> pitti, could you please look at bug 765847, I uploaded to -proposed, the updated package is now waiting in queue
[12:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 765847 in nautilus-sendto "Send to Email is missing on Natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/765847
[12:06] <pitti> cdbs|web: in earlier oneiric we had the full build-essential, which took some extra 10 MB
[12:06] <pitti> now it just seems to be gcc
[12:06] <vuntz> seb128: well, you can always run gnome-session --debug and look at the gnome-session debut output
[12:06] <cdbs|web> hmm
[12:07] <seb128> vuntz, I don't want to restart my session, it will work again! ;-)
[12:07] <pitti> cdbs|web: but yes, it's certainly something we can take out
[12:07] <cdbs|web> Removing GCC might well reduce the CD size to 701 MB for now
[12:07] <cdbs|web> (I guess)
[12:07]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:07] <cdbs|web> 2 more MBs to go :)
[12:07] <pitti> cdbs|web: we will hopefully have 703 MB media this time
[12:07] <didrocks> desrt: your headers are with invalid fsf adress FYI :)
[12:08] <vuntz> seb128: then gedit might have something to print debug output?
[12:08] <vuntz> seb128: but no idea without looking at the code
[12:08] <seb128> vuntz, ok, I will debug, I just wanted to know if you have any magic env variable or something you know about
[12:09] <seb128> vuntz, thanks
[12:09] <tjaalton> seif: http://koti.kapsi.fi/~tjaalton/tmp/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.4.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:11] <didrocks> desrt: just a silly question, but is there any reason that you ship LPGL3 (which works for your LGPL3 and LGPL2+ files of course), but as well a GPL3 COPYING where I don't see any file using it?
[12:12] <desrt> don't remember
[12:13] <desrt> something about how the de facto licencing model of canonical is along these lines?
[12:13] <desrt> i think i followed what dbusmenu was doing
[12:13] <didrocks> desrt: not sure, we have LPGL3 for other qml/qt bindings
[12:14] <didrocks> desrt: care of removing the additional COPYING file? I can propose a merge request, but it's a little overkill for just a removal…
[12:14] <didrocks> as all headers of everyfile are LGPL3, should be enough :)
[12:15] <desrt> dbarth: an opinion on what is correct here?
[12:15] <desrt> didrocks: is the problem because Qt itself is only licenced under a specific version?
[12:16] <didrocks> desrt: you don't copy any Qt LGPL2 (only) file from what I see, so not the same issue with sni-qt
[12:19] <dbarth> desrt: not really, but ted has a good understanding of that and will tell what's required to change if needed
[12:20] <desrt> i guess he'll be online soon
[12:21]  * Sweetshark lunches
[12:37] <seb128> pedro_, your previous picture was better!
[12:37] <pedro_> seb128, which picture? aah jabber?
[12:39] <didrocks> desrt: so, last word, no -dev for libdconf-qt for now?
[12:39]  * mterry waves hi
[12:40] <pedro_> so who is our gnome-screensaver wizard? :-)
[12:40] <desrt> didrocks: seems correct.
[12:40] <didrocks> let's do that then ;)
[12:40] <pedro_> bug 762918 is affecting 'lot' of users
[12:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762918 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Natty Screensaver freezes system after some period of inactivity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762918
[12:41] <seb128> hey mterry, how are you?
[12:42] <seb128> mterry, had a nice flight back?
[12:42] <cyphermox> pedro_: cute.
[12:42] <mterry> seb128, good.  yeah, it was fine
[12:42] <mterry> Had a relaxing 4th as wel
[12:42] <seb128> ;-)
[12:42] <seb128> pedro_, chrisccoulson is
[12:42] <seb128> pedro_, seems like an xorg issue though?
[12:43] <seb128> mterry, great ;-)
[12:43]  * chrisccoulson hides
[12:43] <seb128> mterry, happy patch piloting btw ;-)
[12:43] <pedro_> seb128, i'm not sure that's why i'd like someone to have a better look
[12:43] <seb128> mterry, I think your day was yesterday but your probably watched some fireworks while drinking a beer rather ;-)
[12:43] <mterry> seb128, oh whoops, yeah, meant to move it then
[12:43] <seb128> or whatever you guys do on a 4th of july ;-)
[12:43] <pedro_> chrisccoulson, the g-s bug is going your way :-)
[12:44]  * mterry goes and signs in
[12:44] <mterry> seb128, we blow things up
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm really hungry
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> but it's raining outside, and there is no food in the house
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> the weather might be trying to tell me something!
[12:46] <didrocks> mterry: quick sni-qt MIR ack btw? ;)
[12:46] <mterry> didrocks, sure
[12:46] <didrocks> thanks :)
[12:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it tells you "pick the phone and order a pizza"
[12:50] <pitti> you can even order them via web! :-)
[12:50] <pitti> (how did mankind survive before the internet??)
[12:51] <tjaalton> pitti: I'd like to upload a new bugfix xserver and synaptics, is it ok?
[12:51] <tjaalton> for alpha2 that is
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> lol
[12:56] <didrocks> mterry: thanks!
[12:57] <kenvandine> morning folks
[12:57] <didrocks> hey kenvandine
[13:00] <seb128> hey kenvandine, had a nice 4th of july?
[13:01] <seb128> nice trip back as well?
[13:01] <kenvandine> seb128, wish i could say yes... i spent most of my weekend in and out of the hospital... daughter has a nasty infection
[13:01] <seb128> :-(
[13:01] <kenvandine> trip back was fine... but went straight to the hospital after getting picked up
[13:01] <kenvandine> oh well, hopefully she'll be better soon
[13:02] <seb128> sorry to hear
[13:02] <kenvandine> seb128, i can post in gwibber now though :)
[13:02] <seb128> how is she doing today? getting better?
[13:02] <seb128> kenvandine, nice!
[13:02] <kenvandine> not really... but the doctors said it might be today before we see any improvement
[13:02] <kenvandine> so i am hopeful
[13:02] <seb128> kenvandine, upload now if you want it in a2 ;-)
[13:02] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, wish you luck
[13:03] <kenvandine> seb128, nah... i need to wire up a couple things...
[13:03] <kenvandine> maybe thursday, after a2 goes out
[13:03] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, rushing for a2 didn't seem reasonable anyway ;-)
[13:03] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:04] <seb128> bah, that gedit handing on start is driving me mad, time to restart my session
[13:04] <seb128> brb
[13:15] <seb128> re
[13:15] <pitti> tjaalton: yes, as long as it doesn't introduce new universe dependencies, or break ABI or something like that
[13:15] <seb128> ok so it's GNOME 3.1.3 week, who is wanting to take on some updates?
[13:16] <pitti> I'm the release engineer in charge, I'm afraid I can't take up things until Friday
[13:16] <seb128> didrocks, chrisccoulson, cyphermox? ;-)
[13:16] <cyphermox> aye aye
[13:16] <seb128> mterry, want a libdbusmenu bug for this week?
[13:16] <mterry> seb128, sure :)
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, no worry, btw did you see my question 1 hour ago about gnome-pilot?
[13:17] <seb128> cyphermox, can you take on bug #773847 and fix bug #374686 while you are on it?
[13:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 773847 in xchat-gnome "Consider merging xchat-gnome 0.30.0~git20100421.29cc76-1 from Debian unstable" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773847
[13:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 374686 in xchat-gnome "the desktop entry should be in the same binary than the software" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374686
[13:17] <pitti> cyphermox: sendto> will have a look
[13:17] <seb128> cyphermox, then there is the evo stack
[13:17] <cyphermox> sure, yup
[13:17] <seb128> thanks
[13:17] <pitti> seb128: g-pilot was removed in Debian
[13:17] <didrocks> seb128: as told you, finishing some Qt things first, then, will do some
[13:18] <seb128> mterry, bug #803667 and bug #743265 might be of interest
[13:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 803667 in libdbusmenu "gwibber crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_gtk_parse_menu_structure()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803667
[13:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 743265 in freeciv "when using unity, the cities menu is not shown" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743265
[13:18] <pitti> seb128: and nobody cares about it in ubuntu, so I followed suit
[13:18] <pitti> seb128: do you want to have it back?
[13:18] <seb128> pitti, I did spend time recently to update it to the gtk3 version and clean the packaging
[13:18] <seb128> pitti, I just wanted to know the rational for the drop since we had it ported to modern api etcs
[13:19] <seb128> I don't use it or especially care
[13:19] <pitti> seb128: ah, sorry; if you want it back, I'll re-upload it
[13:19] <seb128> it just seemed weird since it was uptodate
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, I can reupload, I just wanted to check if you have a solid reason
[13:19] <seb128> or we can wait to see if somebody ask for it to be put back
[13:19] <pitti> no bigger reason than "debian removed it"
[13:20] <seb128> they had an outdated and buggy version indeed ;-)
[13:20] <pitti> there was a lot of cruft that piled up, so I did a process-removals run this morning
[13:20] <seb128> ok, I will check bugs if some users ask for it I will upload it again
[13:20] <pitti> sorry about that then
[13:20] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[13:20] <pitti> thanks to you
[13:20] <seb128> no worry
[13:21] <tjaalton> pitti: thanks, yeah they are safe
[13:24] <seb128> cyphermox, btw evolution segfaults in the itp formater code when opening google calendar email there
[13:24] <seb128> cyphermox, did you notice that as well or bugs about it?
[13:24] <cyphermox> no, and I heard you talking about it but it seems to work here?
[13:24] <cyphermox> itp??
[13:24] <cyphermox> I'll look at the bugs again anyway
[13:24] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: speaking about that, what do you advise for google calendar integration with thunderbird?
[13:25] <cyphermox> I'm starting to feel like my hardware might be magical too
[13:25] <seb128> cyphermox, itip
[13:25] <seb128> cyphermox, /usr/lib/evolution/3.2/plugins/liborg-gnome-itip-formatter.so
[13:25] <cyphermox> ok
[13:25] <seb128> not sure if it's enable by default but it was there
[13:25] <seb128> turning it off workaround the issue
[13:25] <cyphermox> alright
[13:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you plan to do other updates? would probably be nice to do gnome-desktop3 and tomboy 1.7.1
[13:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, debian has tomboy 1.7.0 so it might be easier to rebase on them for it
[13:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, they don't need to be today
[13:29] <seb128> cyphermox, rodrigo_, didrocks: don't forget to note the update you work on on the etherpad
[13:29] <Laney> i'm going to do 1.7.1 rather soon
[13:30] <didrocks> seb128: sure, will do
[13:30] <seb128> Laney, thanks, you are not interested by doing the ubuntu merge by any chance? ;-)
[13:30] <Laney> seb128: dunno. what's left these days?
[13:30] <Laney> i'll be more interested in reducing it. :-)
[13:31] <seb128> Laney, good question, probably not a lot we can get in debian
[13:31] <seb128> Laney, it's mainly appindicator, launchpad integration, ubuntuone, langpacks
[13:32] <Laney> urg
[13:32] <Laney> the sync stuff is a horrible massive patch
[13:32] <Laney> I'd really like it if that could be improved, possibly made into a separate source package providing the addin
[13:33] <Laney> or upstreamed if that would work
[13:34] <seb128> could be, I don't know enough about tomboy to say
[13:34] <seb128> I doubt we will have free slot to do that before freezes though
[13:34] <Laney> yeah, just saying
[13:35] <seb128> don't bother with the merge then if you don't feel like doing it, we can rebase once you update in debian
[13:35] <seb128> usually those patches just apply
[13:36] <Laney> i'll have a look and let you know
[13:36] <Laney> ayan: what happened with that SRU? Sorry I forgot to look :'(
[13:37] <ayan> Laney: ugh -- i assigned it to the SRU team.  let me dig the link.
[13:37] <ayan> s/ugh/uh/
[13:38] <seb128> the SRU team doesn't do uploads
[13:38] <seb128> if you need something uploaded you need to subscribe the sponsors
[13:38] <seb128> (just sayingà
[13:38] <seb128> )
[13:38] <Laney> IIRC it was waiting on proper SRU formatting last I looked
[13:38] <Laney> rationale/regression risk/...
[13:38] <ayan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/667736
[13:38] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 667736 in tomboy "help content not available" [Medium,In progress]
[13:38] <Laney> ah, it's there
[13:38] <ayan> this would be my first SRU -- please review the formatting.
[13:39] <ayan> wow -- just realized some of the wording doesn't make sense...
[13:39] <ayan> "... prevents users to utilize the tomboy notes help feature..."
[13:39] <Laney> i'll fix the target to natty-proposed and build it
[13:39] <fta2> kaboom, unity-panel-service crashed. infinite recursion in gtk_menu_shell_forall()..
[13:39] <ayan> Laney, okay -- thanks.
[13:40] <seb128> fta2, no need to comment about every bug you run into on IRC, we have a bug tracker for those ;-)
[13:40] <fta2> seb128, i think will stop everything ubuntu related instead.
[13:41] <fta2> yeah, i'll guess i'll do just that
[13:42] <seb128> ...
[13:49] <seb128> mterry, do you still work on your gdl update? did you start on it? can I take over it if you didn't start?
[13:50] <mterry> seb128, oh yeah I got distracted.  You can take it over, sure, thanks
[13:50] <seb128> mterry, thanks ;-) (I want to update anjuta)
[13:53] <Laney> ayan: right then, uploading. thanks for the fix!
[14:02] <ayan> Laney: thank you!
[14:17] <kamusin> kenvandine, if you have some time could you check bug 789851 please :)
[14:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 789851 in gwibber "Direct Messages don't work since July 1st, 2011" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789851
[14:17] <kenvandine> kamusin, saw your mail about that
[14:17] <kenvandine> haven'
[14:18] <kenvandine> t been able to comment
[14:18] <pitti> hey kenvandine, good morning
[14:18] <kenvandine> kamusin, working well here
[14:18] <kamusin> kenvandine, awesome :)
[14:18] <kenvandine> i made the changes needed to our app on twitter
[14:18] <kenvandine> weeks ago
[14:20] <kamusin> hmm weird.. in any case a fedora user have attached a patch that should work
[14:29] <seb128> pitti, hum, usb-creator wants a password now, is that desktop-privilege... bug?
[14:30] <pitti> seb128: we don't touch usb-creator in desktop-privileges
[14:30] <pitti> but certainly a bug; not sure where yet
[14:30] <seb128> ok, weird
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, did you get it as well?
[14:31] <seb128> the dialog says it was for the mount action
[14:31] <pitti> I think yes, for grub writing and maybe also the mount/unmount
[14:31] <seb128> ok, thanks
[14:33] <mdeslaur> pitti: it's because of the fix for this: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1127-1/
[14:33] <pitti> ah, thanks
[14:33] <pitti> mdeslaur: so we should now handle this in polkit-desktop-privs perhaps? (which already allows you passwordless mounting)
[14:34] <mdeslaur> pitti: does it permit passwordless mounting and unmounting of internal disks?
[14:34] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks
[14:34] <pitti> mdeslaur: yes
[14:35] <didrocks> seb128: what's the magic with the .xz file btw? so that bzr bd likes me stdin?
[14:35] <rodrigo_> didrocks, use the tar.bz2 one
[14:35] <seb128> didrocks, I think bzr bd is buggy
[14:35] <seb128> didrocks, we use the bz2 for GNOME
[14:35] <didrocks> rodrigo_: ok, and symlink to the orig.tar.gz to take it I guess
[14:35] <didrocks> ok, doing that :)
[14:35] <rodrigo_> didrocks, it converts to tar.gz itself, afaics
[14:36] <didrocks> rodrigo_: it's doing that for unity, doesn't seem to do that if I don't symlink here
[14:36] <mdeslaur> pitti: then yes, it could get added...though maybe not the grub modifying the bootloader part
[14:36] <pitti> mdeslaur: yeah
[14:37] <pitti> mdeslaur: for that it'd be nice if usb-creator would tell apart writing boot loaders to usb and to internal drives
[14:37] <pitti> but at least that should reduce the password prompts from 3 to 1
[14:37] <mdeslaur> pitti: yeah, that would make sense
[14:38] <rodrigo_> didrocks, oh, not sure then, for the packages I've tried, it created the orig.tar.gz from the .bz2
[14:38] <seb128> rodrigo_, didrocks: why do you need a .gz?
[14:38] <seb128> those sources are still v1?
[14:39] <rodrigo_> seb128, debian/source/format you mean?
[14:39] <seb128> yes
[14:40] <seb128> orig.bz2 works fine if you are source v3
[14:40] <rodrigo_> 3.0 here, and it did it, afaics
[14:41] <didrocks> seb128: still v1 for gnome-session
[14:41] <seb128> didrocks, you should perhaps switch it to v3?
[14:41] <didrocks> looking, yeah
[14:41] <didrocks> it's v3 sorry
[14:41] <seb128> didrocks, it's basically changing the format and dropping the quilt build-depends and rules line
[14:41] <seb128> ok
[14:42] <didrocks> weird, there is something in debian/watch which doesn't help it picking the right tarball, looking
[14:42] <seb128> didrocks, is watch listed .gz still?
[14:42] <seb128> didrocks, should be .bz2
[14:42] <didrocks> seb128: I updated to bz2
[14:42] <seb128> ok
[14:42] <didrocks> and it's picking 3.0 bz2, not 3.1
[14:42] <seb128> could be the wrong parenthesis use we had in most desktop watches
[14:43] <seb128> or could be the debian variant listing the stable digits
[14:43] <didrocks> it's not listing the stable digits
[14:43] <didrocks> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-session/([\d\.]+)\d/gnome-session-([\d\.]+)\.tar\.gz
[14:43] <didrocks> oupss
[14:43] <didrocks> bz2 at the end
[14:43] <didrocks> just reverted to start from scratch
[14:44] <didrocks> so yeah http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-session/([\d\.]+)\d/gnome-session-([\d\.]+)\.tar\.bz2 is picking gnome-session-3.0.2.tar.bz2
[14:44] <didrocks> not 3.1.3, weird, let me try with kiki
[14:45] <didrocks> nice, kiki tells me it shouldn't match any of those
[14:48] <seb128> didrocks, drop the \d
[14:48] <seb128> the one not in parenthesis
[14:49] <seb128> before the filename
[14:49] <didrocks> seb128: I'm puzzled, why did it work? it shouldn't match 3.0 then?
[14:49] <seb128> because it's getting the archive version
[14:49] <seb128> not the upstream one
[14:49] <seb128> ?
[14:50] <didrocks> seb128: I doubt it as I changed from .gz to .bz2 and see the new files for 3.0 tarballs
[14:50] <seb128> ok, it's over my regexp foo
[14:50] <seb128> or I'm being too lazy ;-)
[14:51] <didrocks> ok, let's forget about it for now, kiki told that the previous regexp should work, it's enough to my regexp confidence :)
[14:51] <didrocks> but the trick did it, thanks seb128!
[14:51] <seb128> yw
[14:52] <didrocks> ok, the build didn't get too far :)
[14:53] <didrocks> seb128: easy update you told? had to refresh a patch, drop four and now ftbfs :p I won't trust you ;)
[14:53] <seb128> heh
[14:54] <seb128> didrocks, I said "seems" and "might" I think ;-)
[14:55] <seb128> you never know with vuntz :p
[14:55] <didrocks> seb128: indeed, fair enough :-)
[14:56] <didrocks> hum, interesting, he took only some part of chrisccoulson's patch on autstart_delay ;)
[15:04] <seb128> didrocks, git log suggest he didn't take anything for that?
[15:05] <didrocks> seb128: he took something else for getting integer from desktop file, but names are exactly the same following egg naming schema
[15:05] <didrocks> all is fine, just need to logout/login
[15:05] <didrocks> test, brb
[15:09] <didrocks> ok, looks good
[15:10] <mterry> seb128, for comments like yours in https://code.launchpad.net/~dpolehn-gmail/ubuntu/oneiric/pygpiv/fix-755955/+merge/65157 , is your intention that you prefer to reject the patch and just send it to debian, or were you saying that you would accept it once it was also forwarded to debian?
[15:11] <seb128> mterry, second one
[15:11] <mterry> seb128, OK, I'll push then.  Didn't want to accept it if you had soft-rejected it already
[15:11] <seb128> I don't think we should block on getting those in debian
[15:11] <seb128> but I think we should block on getting those sent there otherwise that never happens
[15:11] <mterry> seb128, yar
[15:11] <mterry> seb128, if I'm sponsoring, I'll often just send to debian myself
[15:12] <seb128> mterry, thanks, I meant to do a new round on those bugs to follow up but forgot with the rally
[15:12] <mterry> seb128, meh, that's what pilots are for  :)
[15:12] <seb128> that's another option, though I prefer having contributors to learn and do that themself rather than rely on us to do it
[15:13] <seb128> but I guess it can make sense to do it once as an example to show how it's done
[15:16] <mterry> seb128, I generally assume the extra back-and-forth cycle to request it is demotivating so try and avoid it.  BTW, will "lp:755955" in a changelog trigger an auto-close in LP?
[15:21] <seb128> running compiz under valgrind is fail
[15:21] <rodrigo_> does debian use packagekit?
[15:21] <rodrigo_> that is, is it installed by default?
[15:22] <seb128> no
[15:23] <Laney> 'default' is always a bit tricky in Debian, since you get a lot more mix and matching
[15:23] <Laney> if you need something, depend on it
[15:23] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting reminder in 7 mins
[15:26] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: seems that my thunderbird doesn't want to start at all for this session, reporting a stack
[15:30]  * kenvandine waves
[15:30] <pedro_> hello
[15:30] <cyphermox> o/
[15:31] <pitti> hello everyone
[15:31] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting time
[15:31] <tremolux> hey!
[15:31] <chrisccoulson> w00t
[15:31] <mterry> hello!
[15:32] <seb128> hey
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, how did you break tbird? ;)
[15:32] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-07-05
[15:32] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: not sure, let's discuss after the meeting :)
[15:32] <Sweetshark> heya
[15:32] <rodrigo_> o/
[15:33] <tremolux> I missed seeing all you guys in Dublin  :(
[15:33] <tremolux> sounds like it was fun eh
[15:33] <pitti> it was indeed
[15:33] <kenvandine> tremolux, always :)
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> tremolux, you didn't miss much. we didn't really drink guinness every night and eat steak ;)
[15:34] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks for the partner update on the wiki!
[15:34] <tremolux> hehe, I'm sure
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> :-)
[15:34] <tremolux> :D
[15:34] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: did we really miss out on that on one day?
[15:34] <pitti> kenvandine: sounds like the move to gsettings was very incomplete then?
[15:34] <kenvandine> pitti, partner update on the wiki?
[15:34]  * kenvandine didn't touch it yet :)
[15:34]  * kenvandine goes to look
[15:34] <pitti> oh, whoops, that was the unity update, sorry
[15:34] <kenvandine> hehe
[15:35] <pitti> kenvandine: so, IRC then :)
[15:35] <kenvandine> pitti, indicator-power is ready to be packaged!
[15:35] <kenvandine> i'll get on that real soon
[15:35] <pitti> kenvandine: I'm confused about this a bit -- isn't it going to move into gnome-settings-daemon?
[15:35] <kenvandine> pitti, and i never heard how your meeting went about the U1 release stuff
[15:35] <pitti> so we won't use that after all, and instead use indicator-power?
[15:35] <seb128> hum
[15:35] <seb128> where is the partner update?
[15:35] <pitti> what do we do in the classic session then?
[15:36] <pitti> seb128: I mis-looked, ignore me
[15:36] <seb128> ok
[15:36] <kenvandine> seb128, what will happen for power in the classic session?
[15:36] <seb128> it will have no icon or indicator
[15:36]  * kenvandine doesn't really know... but for unity we need one
[15:37] <pitti> not shipping the g-s-d plugin sounds a bit bad to me -- can it live alongside indicator-power somehow?
[15:37] <seb128> pitti, what moves in g-s-d is the service
[15:37] <seb128> the icon is dropped in favor of a gnome-shell indicator
[15:37] <pitti> ah
[15:37] <seb128> or an system indicator in our case
[15:37] <pitti> so i-power will actually talk to the g-s-d plugin?
[15:37] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, the indicator would use the g-s-d plugin
[15:37] <seb128> or upower directly
[15:38] <seb128> i.e dbus calls to get datas
[15:38] <rodrigo_> just needs to call the new interface, which has changed name
[15:38] <pitti> kenvandine: U1 release> I had a quick chat with Jason, but we didn't actually have a meeting about it which included me
[15:38] <pitti> ah, great
[15:38] <seb128> pitti, the indicator is just indicating infos it collects over dbus
[15:38] <kenvandine> pitti, oh... ok, so we still don't know what the plan is...
[15:38]  * kenvandine will get on them 
[15:40] <kenvandine> that is all i have
[15:40] <pitti> thanks
[15:41] <pitti> didrocks: so, unity
[15:41] <pitti> thanks for the wiki report
[15:41] <didrocks> all is on the wiki, as usual :)
[15:41] <pitti> didrocks: I'm a bit confused about the compizconfig comment
[15:42] <didrocks> ok, so, basically, this is an issue with configuration management in compiz
[15:42] <pitti> did that change recently?
[15:42] <didrocks> like, you can't add new plugins to existing user (like unitydialog), even if they never touched their current settings
[15:42] <didrocks> no, it's just that I did some unity --reset automatically at some point of the release last cycle
[15:42] <pitti> aah
[15:42] <didrocks> but now, unity depends on the gtk_init plugin
[15:42] <pitti> didrocks: so we actually did have this problem in natty as well, it just didn't hurt us yet?
[15:43] <didrocks> and compiz isn't able to add the gtk_init automatically
[15:43] <didrocks> if we don't patch compiz, everyone will segfault
[15:43] <pitti> i. e. compiz plugins can't have dependencies?
[15:43] <didrocks> pitti: right
[15:43] <didrocks> they can, but they are only resolved in ccsm
[15:43] <didrocks> by the graphical interface
[15:43] <didrocks> which is kind of weird for a project based on plugin, but well :)
[15:44] <didrocks> so yeah, I try to convince dx to reshuffle their priorities for that
[15:44] <didrocks> right now, the working is forcing compiz to call gtk_init in main() (for everyone then)
[15:44] <didrocks> but that only works because we are the only one to use it and only in that case
[15:45] <didrocks> will be nice in the future to be able to change the default plugin list if the user didn't touch it
[15:46] <pitti> didrocks: the unity plugin can't call gtk_init()?
[15:46] <pitti> I thought they were all in-process
[15:46] <didrocks> pitti: right, but all plugins are dlopened
[15:46] <didrocks> and now, unity and unity-dialogs are using gtk
[15:46] <didrocks> and gtk_init doesn't support this case
[15:46] <pitti> gtk_init() doesn't work from a dlopen()'ed lib?
[15:46] <didrocks> if more than once are doing that, it results in a hang
[15:47] <didrocks> (previous upstream tarball, hence the dialogs not being there before)
[15:47] <pitti> didrocks: ok, at this point I think we should move the discussion to a bug report
[15:47] <didrocks> pitti: we discussed about it with desrt at the sprint, it seems it's not something they want to support
[15:48] <didrocks> but yeah, can be moved in a bug report if you prefer
[15:48] <pitti> more time to ponder, and not 10 other people waiting in the meeting
[15:49] <pitti> didrocks: nice progress on a11y!
[15:49] <didrocks> yeah, was quite straightforward once the support was there :)
[15:50] <pitti> tremolux: thanks for the s-c report; and great to read that gtk3 is now in trunk!
[15:50] <pitti> tremolux: anything we need to discuss there? still blocked on design feedback?
[15:51] <tremolux> pitti: yes, we don't have the full design yet, but we are planning it in stages best we can
[15:51] <tremolux> pitti: juggling priorities gtk3/new design, etc.
[15:53] <pitti> tremolux: bug 432552 is the remaining alpha-2 WI for the s-c blueprint
[15:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 432552 in software-center "USC needs clearer/simpler icon" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432552
[15:53] <pitti> I figure it can easily move to a3, or do we have some pressure to squeeze that into a2?
[15:53] <tremolux> pitti: ah, thanks, I should have moved that
[15:53] <pitti> ok -> a3 now
[15:54] <tremolux> pitti: no need to squeeze that to a2, it's coming
[15:54] <tremolux> thanks!
[15:54] <pitti> which brings us down to 7 WIs for a2
[15:54] <pitti> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client still has 4 left
[15:55] <pitti> but 3 of which are actually the same: seb128, chrisccoulson, allison to discuss strategy for creating new Ubuntu One address book (on new install)
[15:55] <pitti>  as this says "discuss", I figure it can stay on a2?
[15:55] <pitti> it sounds as it might be a prerequisite for further upstream development
[15:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: and John still has "Review progress in styling improvements, provide guidance on further improvements needed" -> is that a blocker and should we prod him, or move to a3?
[15:56] <seb128> pitti, john in on vac this week so a3 I guess
[15:57] <seb128> dunno for the upstream discussion, I think chrisccoulson said that m_conley figured it out
[15:57] <seb128> but he said he would check
[15:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll ask
[15:57] <pitti> ok, we can bring this up in tomorrow's IRC meeting
[15:57] <seb128> right
[15:58] <pitti> then the remaining one is on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gwibber-gtk3
[15:58] <pitti> [ken-vandine] move dupe message detection to the backend: TODO
[15:58] <pitti> doesn't sound like a blocker to me, but can happen in upstream trunk, I suppose?
[15:59] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:59] <kenvandine> that is really just blocked on design... sort of
[15:59] <kenvandine> njpatel hasn't decided how we will present them, so i am holding off
[16:00] <kenvandine> it will be quick to do when i know what to do :)
[16:00] <kenvandine> pitti, i am going to upload the new gwibber right after a2
[16:00] <pitti> ok, so we can just move that
[16:00] <pitti> thanks!
[16:00] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:00] <pitti> anything else we need to discuss?
[16:00] <kenvandine> nope
[16:01] <pitti> kenvandine: oh, that's for "[njpatel] create update entry widget: TODO"?
[16:01] <pitti> kenvandine: I was talking about the dupe detection
[16:01] <kenvandine> i know
[16:01] <kenvandine> i just merged his entry, so i'll mark that done
[16:02] <kenvandine> unrelated items
[16:02] <pitti> seb128: anythign to announce or discuss for gnome 3.1?
[16:02] <seb128> not especially
[16:02] <seb128> just "claim updates, note those on the etherpad, be careful about the freeze"
[16:02] <seb128> ;-)
[16:03] <pitti> deal!
[16:03] <seb128> joke aside there is quite some outdated lines on version
[16:03] <seb128> so if anyone feels like claiming some updates this week please do
[16:03] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, will do some in between g-c-c fixes :)
[16:04] <seb128> oh, yeah, if you find any g-c-c bug assign those to rodrigo_ as well
[16:04] <seb128> he's collecting them
[16:04] <seb128> ;-)
[16:04] <pitti> so, meeting adjourned; thanks everyone!
[16:04] <seb128> thanks
[16:04] <kenvandine> thanks
[16:04] <mterry> bye!
[16:04] <seb128> ok, my a2 install just finished
[16:04] <Sweetshark> pitti: let me just append the LO status
[16:05] <pitti> ah, please go ahead
[16:05] <tremolux> thanks everybody
[16:05] <seb128> wouou it worked
[16:05] <Sweetshark> also upstream LO broke small symbols (-g1), which currently leads to a 2GB -dbg package. It was cooperatively debuged with _rene_ from debian. This is intended to be included in debian tonight. As this was pretty much the last thing that blocked the debian 3.4.X release, we hopefully can base on that without making a 3.4.1-0ubuntu1 release.
[16:05] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, I should have knocked more on your door, so that you couldn't sleep :)
[16:05] <Sweetshark> libreoffice status: 3.3.3-1ubuntu1 is ready for SRUing, 3.3.3-2 to 3.3.3-4 includes debian changes we do not want in natty (requires new javahelper version). libreoffice-l10n-3.3.3-1ubuntu1 still has some open merge issues (work in progress). 3.4.0 status: I got a build finished on the weekend (without mono and kde and opensymbol for now). I am currently merging in debian changes which a) fix the mono, kde, opensymbol problems b) update to 
[16:05] <seb128> rodrigo_, ;-)
[16:05] <Sweetshark> also upstream LO broke small symbols (-g1), which currently leads to a 2GB -dbg package. It was cooperatively debuged with _rene_ from debian. This is intended to be included in debian tonight. As this was pretty much the last thing that blocked the debian 3.4.X release, we hopefully can base on that without making a 3.4.1-0ubuntu1 release and without postponing WIs.
[16:06] <pitti> Sweetshark: sounds like good progress! so I guess it's sponsoring time soon?
[16:07] <didrocks> reboot, brb
[16:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: for 3.3.3? yes. I think I have fixed the -l10n merge issue, build is running currently.
[16:11] <Sweetshark> pitti: However, I cant test very well for natty currently -- Im on oneiric with my notebook -- and I cant run VirtualBox on it (it is confused about kernel versions). I will try to do a some testing via X11-tunneling to my homebox, that will be sloooow.
[16:13] <pitti> Sweetshark: if you have lots of RAM, you could also try to install the debs on a natty live system
[16:13] <pitti> or using a live usb stick with a large persistency file
[16:13] <pitti> but a chroot should do mostly fine, too
[16:13] <Sweetshark> pitti: hmmm, 16GB RAM should be enough for everybody ...
[16:14] <pitti> that ought to be enough indeed :)
[16:18] <seb128> hum, deja-dup bugs!
[16:19] <seb128> let's send some in mterry's way ;-)
[16:19] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: here is the crash I get now at each start: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/806041
[16:19] <ubot2> didrocks: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x8d65a2c> bug 806041 not found
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, oh, that's not going to work :/
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> apport doesn't process those
[16:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: oh?
[16:20] <didrocks> seems that's it's cycling between 3 functions
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, they go straight upstream with the crash reporter
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> could you install thunderbird-dbg and run it in gdb (thunderbird -g)?
[16:21] <didrocks> hum, I don't think this will scale with our users, but well :)
[16:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: doing it
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, how did you manage to report that? we blacklist thunderbird and firefox in apport
[16:21] <mterry> seb128, :)  bring 'em
[16:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you didn't blacklist it hard enough it seems :)
[16:22] <didrocks> just got the apport dialog
[16:22] <seb128> mterry, I filed 2, but they are small ones, not "you screwed my datas!!!" ones
[16:22] <mterry> seb128, excellent
[16:29] <sagaci> desktop team meeting..?
[16:31] <kamusin> I am trying to get a full backtrace from gwibber (related to bug 803667) but I can't find which is the package associated to _appindicator.so library.  this is how is looking the backtrace for now http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/638478
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 803667 in libdbusmenu "gwibber crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_gtk_parse_menu_structure()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803667
[16:31] <seb128> sagaci, one hour late
[16:31] <seb128> sagaci, it just finished
[16:32] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ok, got a stack, where should I report it?
[16:32] <sagaci> yep yep, reading the calendar wrong, something about utc+1 you run on
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i don't mind.
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> you can attach it to the bug if you like
[16:32] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ok, doing :)
[16:33] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: done. it seems to loop indefinitively in some functions
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, do you have any extensions installed?
[16:35] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: no, clean thunderbird
[16:35] <didrocks> well, with the default we have
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662634
[16:37] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 662634 in JavaScript Engine "Firefox Crash [@ UnmarkGrayChildren ]" [Critical,New: ]
[16:38] <didrocks> seems related :)
[16:40] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: seems there is no --withoutjs
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, that wouldn't work ;)
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> that would be like "--without-thunderbird" ;)
[16:40] <didrocks> come on! :-)
[16:41] <didrocks> seems the crasher is quite old though :/
[16:41] <didrocks> first appearance is 2011022200 4.0b12
[16:42] <didrocks> fixed in mozilla-central? (not sure what it means), if you need testing…
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, you can try installing thunderbird-trunk from the ubuntu-mozilla-daily PPA (it's parallel installable)
[16:44] <didrocks> Thunderbird Earlybird ?
[16:44] <didrocks> hum no, the daily one
[16:44] <didrocks> ok
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, do you have a bugzilla account too? could you comment on the bug saying that you can reproduce it
[16:46] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: not sure I have one on the mozilla one, but can do
[16:46] <didrocks> let me try running thunderbird-trunk first
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/85083c2d1f32
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> the guys in #jsapi are fairly confident that one fixes it
[16:54] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, the trunk is working (I had to retype my password, but apart from that, the config is picked on)
[16:54] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: so no need to comment on the bug?
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, no, it's ok. i'll backport the patch to the current version
[16:55] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you rock! :-)
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, the thunderbird-trunk package is configured to use a separate profile by default, so you can run them side-by-side
[16:56] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: seems to be the same profile to me (I tweaked the view to have emails summary and content side by side), or did it forked it at startup?
[16:56] <didrocks> but based on the existing one?
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> ah, yes
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> we copy the thunderbird profile on first start ;)
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> i forgot about that
[16:57] <didrocks> that's why it was über slow :)
[16:57] <didrocks> that's really nice!
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, it can take a while to copy the data
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> maybe i should show a UI for that so you know it hasn't hung ;)
[16:58] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I straced to ensure it was really hurting my disk for good things :)
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> but then, people running the nightlies should probably expect things to break a little
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:01] <didrocks> the thing is that now, I'll always think about Ninja Turtles when starting my thunderbird…
[17:06]  * mterry should add a Ninja Turtle splash screen to deja-dup
[17:06] <mterry> "Save your data from... the Shredder"
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> lol
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> the shredder name is going away soon :(
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> it's a shame, i liked "shredder" and "minefield"
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> but minefield got renamed to "Nightly", and shredder will become "Daily"
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> boring ;)
[17:13] <Sweetshark> mterry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4-t5lTsNs
[17:13] <andreasn> Shredder is the best name ever
[17:13] <Sweetshark> mterry: can we rename deja-dup to master splinter then?
[17:14] <mterry> Sweetshark, you're late -- I was looking around for advice on a rename a while ago, but then decided not to bother
[17:14] <andreasn> it's like "suuure, go ahead and trust your mail data to this daily build..."
[17:15] <chrisccoulson> heh :-)
[17:56] <dobey> does "guest session" not work in oneiric?
[18:07] <didrocks> good night everyone
[18:37] <seb128> dobey, on the login screen only
[18:37] <seb128> dobey, there is a merge request to port the indicator-session to lightdm
[18:37] <seb128> once merged user switching should be back
[18:38] <dobey> ah ok
[18:39] <seb128> you can probably reinstall the natty gdm if you need user switching in your session as a workaround
[18:39] <seb128> not sure if the current oneiric one will work
[18:39] <seb128> since we switch to lightdm we dropped some of the distro patches we had
[18:42] <seb128> cyphermox, did you add a Replaces to xchat-gnome on xchat-gnome-gnome?
[18:42] <cyphermox> dah1
[18:42] <seb128> cyphermox, just asking because you didn't mention it in the changelog
[18:42] <cyphermox> and that's because I indeed didn't
[18:42] <seb128> cyphermox, if you do another upload can you bump the indicator suggests to a recommends
[18:42] <seb128> (there is a bug on launchpad about that)
[18:43] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[18:43] <cyphermox> sure
[18:43] <cyphermox> ;)
[18:43] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks for the update and merge btw, one less glade user! ;-)
[18:43] <cyphermox> yes!
[18:51] <cyphermox> seb128: Replaces: xchat-gnome-common (<< 1:0.30.0~git20100421.29cc76) sound about right? :)
[18:51] <seb128> cyphermox, yes
[18:52] <seb128> kenvandine, there is a new empathy tarball btw, just saying in case you didn't notice, there is no hurry for the update
[18:52] <kenvandine> seb128, cool, thx
[18:52] <seb128> yw
[18:53] <kenvandine> i'll update it soonish
[18:53] <seb128> thanks
[18:53] <seb128> cyphermox, when you look at e-d-s and evo let me know if it needs a new libgdata it might
[18:54] <seb128> it might need gnome-online-account as well
[18:54] <seb128> rodrigo is packaging this one
[18:54] <cyphermox> yeah, it very likely might need the new libgdata
[18:54] <cyphermox> let me check now
[18:55] <cyphermox> ah, no, seems it's still 0.7.0
[18:56] <davmor2> should there be some sort of calendaring in place within thunderbird default setup?  or is that still a work in progress?
[18:57] <ricotz> cyphermox, seb128, perhaps libsoup can be a problem
[18:57] <cyphermox> ricotz: thanks for the heads up. in any case, I'll see when I start (shortly)
[18:58] <micahg> lightning would need an MIR for that
[18:58] <ricotz> the current version might not work with gtk 3.1.6+
[18:58] <ricotz> and libsoup 2.35.3 is available now
[18:58] <seb128> ricotz, how not work?
[18:59] <seb128> the oneiric version is already broken due to the gtkassistant update
[18:59] <seb128> good timing that we got thunderbird on the CD ;-)
[18:59] <ricotz> seb128, at least rhythmbox uses some gui widgets which references deprecated gtk api
[19:00] <seb128> somebody should do a new rb git snapshot
[19:01] <ricotz> seb128, i tried, but it hasnt been updated for gtk 3.1, so there is a lots o stuff broken for a proper tarball
[19:01] <ricotz> all *.ui files would need an update
[19:08] <seb128> ricotz, why wouldn't it work with gtk 3.1? it's supposed to be api compatible with 3.0
[19:09] <ricotz> seb128, it just doesnt work with disable-deprecated
[19:09] <seb128> ricotz, don't disable-deprecated then?
[19:10] <ricotz> right, but i guess it needs to be updated anyway soon
[19:11] <ricotz> btw, do you know why there isnt a release?
[19:11] <seb128> not really, you should ask upstream
[19:11] <seb128> they are usually a bit sloppy on tarballs
[19:11] <ricotz> probably they consider it too unstable
[19:12] <ricotz> ok
[19:13] <seb128> it's rather that there is no active maintainer
[19:13] <seb128> or depends how you describe active
[19:15] <ricotz> yeah, there is a lot of competition in this field which might be a bit discouraging
[19:24] <seb128> ricotz, indeed
[19:29] <ricotz> seb128, i had a look a while ago, and this was only the beginning http://paste.debian.net/plain/121990
[19:32] <cyphermox> seb128: the xchat-gnome-indicator bump to recommends is blocked by the xchat-indicator mir
[19:34] <seb128> ricotz, you should send your patch upstream
[19:34] <seb128> ricotz, but you can build without disable deprecated, those deprecation will break most of the gtk softwares
[19:35] <seb128> we will not stop building gtk softwares until everything is ported
[19:35] <seb128> cyphermox, hum
[19:35] <seb128> there is no mir bug for it
[19:35] <cyphermox> I can always get the changes done and push to the branch
[19:36] <seb128> cyphermox, get the change and upload it rather
[19:36] <cyphermox> yes, it's bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-indicator/+bug/792005
[19:36] <seb128> recommends are not hard requirements, we can sort it later
[19:36] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 792005 in xchat-indicator "[MIR] xchat-indicator" [Undecided,New]
[19:36] <cyphermox> ok
[19:36] <cyphermox> you mean upload anyway?
[19:37] <seb128> yes
[19:37] <seb128> we can sort the mir or demote later
[19:37] <seb128> we did it for some other gnome-control-center recommends as well earlier in the cycle
[19:37] <seb128> it will just show on component mismatch, it doesn't break anything
[19:37] <cyphermox> oh, I know, just wasn't quite sure of the process
[19:38] <cyphermox> it's nicer to say "seb128 made me do it" :)
[19:38] <seb128> lol
[19:38] <seb128> well ideally the mir should be done before but xchat-gnome is not on the CD and it's easy to sort
[19:38] <seb128> the mir bug is filed and sitting for a while also
[19:39] <seb128> but I wonder if there is any reason to keep xchat-gnome in main
[19:40] <cyphermox> no idea. it doesn't even feel like something so actively maintained either
[19:41] <seb128> it was on the CD before
[19:41] <seb128> but it seems like demotion rules are not strict, we tend to keep things in main
[19:41] <cyphermox> right
[19:42] <cyphermox> so you mean you'd rather anything not on the CD not be in main?
[19:42] <cyphermox> (or anyway, not a build-dep of something on the cd too, ykwim)
[19:43] <seb128> well, I've difficulties to get the rational to keep things in main when they are not on the CD (or DVD)
[19:43] <cyphermox> I don't think there are many besides "customers of Canonical want it supported" ?
[19:44] <seb128> which is probably not the case for xchat-gnome
[19:44] <cyphermox> hehe ... no.
[19:44]  * micahg would think that lots of users + supportable = stay in main
[19:45] <cyphermox> micahg: yeah. xchat-gnome somehow roughly satisfies that, I guess
[19:45] <seb128> there is lot of things in universe that match that definition
[19:46] <seb128> so what is the different out of "xchat-gnome was promoted one day because it was on the CD and kept it special status"
[19:46] <cyphermox> seb128: it's not too late to demote xchat-gnome ;)
[19:47] <seb128> right, that's what I was just wondering
[19:47] <seb128> if we should mir the indicator or demote xchat
[19:47] <cyphermox> it must have been on the cd prior to lucid?
[19:51] <seb128> it was before lucid yes
[19:53] <micahg> 4181 on popcon by recent
[19:57] <seb128> how does that rank comparedto other softwares?
[19:57] <seb128> "not a metric"
[19:58] <seb128> pedro_, could you forward https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/805797 to glib upstream when you have time?
[19:58] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 805797 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in ffi_prep_args()" [Medium,Incomplete]
[19:59] <pedro_> seb128, sure, bug 805783 is going there soon too
[19:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805783 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in ffi_call()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805783
[20:00] <seb128> pedro_, cf #gnome-hackers
[20:00] <seb128> pedro_, they are glib bugs
[20:00] <seb128> or libffi ones
[20:00] <seb128> pedro_, thanks
[20:00] <pedro_> ok reassigning + forwarding
[20:01] <pedro_> you're welcome
[20:01] <seb128> pedro_, wait perhaps, cf #gnome-hackers
[20:02] <seb128> I will do the update of glib this week
[20:02] <pedro_> saw the comment, will just reassing for now
[23:04] <bryceh> dt meeting?
[23:05] <robert_ancell> i reckon
[23:06] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  9am.
[23:09] <TheMuso> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-07-05
[23:12] <bryceh> everyone enjoying jet lag?
[23:12]  * TheMuso is over it now.
[23:12] <TheMuso> Monday morning was the worst, was in bed by 9PM Sunday night, but woke up at 4AM and couldn't get back to sleep.
[23:13] <bryceh> how was Dublin?
[23:13] <TheMuso> Weather was pleasant, but hotel food was horribly bland.
[23:13] <RAOF> For some reason 4am beckoned me this morning, too.  Although that might also have been the remnants of the old-man body.
[23:13] <robert_ancell> and me too.  spooky
[23:14] <RAOF> Dublin was nice.  The food, too, outside of lunch :)
[23:15] <TheMuso> Yeah food outside the hotel was good.
[23:16] <bryceh> well, I had a quiet week, got a fair number of work items crossed off.  xdiagnose / apport hook stuff
[23:17] <bryceh> will wait until after the alpha release is out to do an upload
[23:17] <bryceh> going through oneiric bugs today.
[23:17] <bryceh> robert_ancell, btw did you get my email about lightdm and hooking some sort of failsafe mode into it?
[23:18] <robert_ancell> bryceh, sorry, yes.  I meant to reply to that.  It all makes sense though
[23:18] <bryceh> ok cool
[23:18] <bryceh> yeah it's not a common failure mode anymore (thankfully)
[23:20] <bryceh> RAOF, did you get a chance to chat with rick about mesa updating?
[23:21] <RAOF> In the stable release?  I didn't have it on my TODO list :/
[23:22] <bryceh> no, he had asked me the prior week about sticking with 7.10 rather than 7.11, I suggested he chat with you about it
[23:22] <bryceh> but if he didn't, perhaps he decided it wasn't that important
[23:22] <RAOF> He did not.  7.11 hasn't blown up my mesa bugmail, either :)
[23:22] <bryceh> nope
[23:23] <robert_ancell> RAOF, oh, did you see that log out problem btw?
[23:24] <RAOF> robert_ancell: My box is still updating, so as yet untested.
[23:24] <TheMuso> /c/c
[23:28] <bryceh> anyone got anything else?  otherwise shall we call it a wrap?
[23:33] <TheMuso> Nothing from me, a11y stuff covered in meeting notes already, nothing significant to report on installer a11y front.
[23:36] <RAOF> Let's call it a wrap.
[23:36] <TheMuso> Yep.
[23:36] <RAOF> Where's Jason, btw?
[23:36] <TheMuso> Good question.
[23:37] <TheMuso> Hasn't said anything in IRC for several days.
[23:37] <robert_ancell> he's been on holiday
[23:37] <TheMuso> Oh ok.
[23:38] <RAOF> Taking a holiday after a sprint?  Prepostorous!
[23:38] <RAOF> :)
[23:39] <bryceh> ubuflu is the more common tradition
[23:42] <TheMuso> I find it interesting that Banshee was granted a micro release exception for stable releases. I wonder why there was a desire to get that in the first place.
[23:46] <RAOF> It's a core app and it's got a well-defined stable release policy?
[23:46] <TheMuso> That makes sense.