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| Gryllida | hi | 02:59 |
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| faina | hello | 03:00 |
| Gryllida | faina: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/all/emacs/filelist ... is that all that Ubuntu has for emacs? Why do I download the .deb at http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/emacs and it has very few files? | 03:50 |
| faina | emacs is a meta-package just depends on the actual real packages that contain a real version of emacs | 03:53 |
| faina | so you can just install emacs and not worry if its emacs22 or emacs23 | 03:53 |
| Gryllida | faina: I want to look into the deb. What package would the `real` one be? | 03:53 |
| faina | Best path is to do apt-cache show emacs and look at the dependency list | 03:54 |
| Gryllida | I'm trying to add a usr/share/menu/packagename to .deb; I can extract it, add file to a dir, but have no idea how to compress it back. | 05:20 |
| faina | Gryllida: I usually do apt-get source, modify the package, and then do debuild, but that can be difficult depending on the package | 05:31 |
| Gryllida | faina, ok, I'll read on that; thank you. | 05:32 |
| pitti | Good morning | 05:00 |
| faina | hello | 05:01 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 06:51 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:01 |
| infinity | pitti: "Two days out from the expected release of Maverick Alpha 3 ..." <-- Cut'n'paste, for the loss? :) | 07:16 |
| pitti | infinity: argh | 07:16 |
| pitti | at least the milestone bug link is correct | 07:17 |
| infinity | Yeah, I just checked that. | 07:17 |
| pitti | that indeed took some extra time to fight against the giant ftbfs bug list | 07:17 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti has a time machine! | 07:19 |
| * pitti quickly hides it, otherwise everyone would want to use it | 07:19 | |
| pitti | ScottK: do you know why kpackagekit/packagekit want to go to universe? doesn't kubuntu use that? | 07:31 |
| pitti | plasma-widget-networkmanagement as well, was that replaced with something else? | 07:31 |
| debfx | pitti: kpackagekit has been replaced by muon | 07:43 |
| debfx | we still use plasma-widget-networkmanagement | 07:43 |
| debfx | the source package has been renamed though | 07:44 |
| pitti | debfx: ah, thanks | 07:48 |
| pitti | debfx: so plasma-widget-networkmanagement should be removed entirely? | 07:48 |
| debfx | pitti: yes (the source package) | 07:49 |
| pitti | debfx: so the network-manager-pptp-kde binary should be removed with it? (no rdepends except plasma-widget-networkmanagement) | 07:51 |
| pitti | oh, that's a replaces: | 07:51 |
| pitti | so it seems both binaries can be removed along? | 07:52 |
| debfx | the network-manager-*-kde binaries can be removed as well | 07:52 |
| pitti | ok, done; thanks! | 07:53 |
| tkamppeter_ | didrocks, hi | 07:53 |
| didrocks | tkamppeter_: hey | 07:53 |
| tkamppeter_ | didrocks, we have decided on that during our session and there we have already found out that the extra space consumption is small (~ 300K). RAOF is already working on packaging colord. | 07:54 |
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| didrocks | tkamppeter_: we are already oversized, but if there is a log of the session to bring color management to the CD, I'm ok | 07:55 |
| didrocks | tkamppeter: can you see this blueprint btw? | 07:55 |
| tkamppeter | didrocks, the Blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-icc-color-management | 07:57 |
| tkamppeter | It is approved for Oneiric and on the Whiteboard you can see that the estimated space consumption is ~300K. | 07:59 |
| didrocks | tkamppeter: with colord and argyll? | 07:59 |
| tkamppeter | seems so. | 08:00 |
| didrocks | tkamppeter: so, can you make a MIR for argyll and update it as well to a recent version? seems nothing is happening there | 08:01 |
| tkamppeter | didrocks, I will do so. IThere is a new package available but not officially uploaded. See Debian bug 622620, most recent posting: https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/argyll-release | 08:08 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 622620 in wnpp "O: argyll -- Color Management System, calibrator and profiler" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/622620 | 08:08 |
| didrocks | tkamppeter: poke me once done | 08:08 |
| tkamppeter | didrocks, OK. | 08:11 |
| dupondje | cjwatson: Are you working on merging courier ? Or can I take , | 08:13 |
| dupondje | ? | 08:13 |
| soren | /win 38 | 08:15 |
| soren | YEah, that'll work. :( | 08:15 |
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| pitti | YokoZar: FYI, removing ttf-umefont (following Debian), which wine1.[23] depend on; the package was renamed to fonts-horai-umefont | 08:42 |
| nickmoeck | Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place for this question, but #ubuntu is being pretty much useless, so... here goes: | 08:51 |
| nickmoeck | Let's say the official repos contain software-2.2.1. I create a PPA with a package based on software-2.2.1 (with just a slightly different build configuration). I call it software-2.2.1~ppa1 and I install it from my PPA. What happens if software-2.2.2 gets uploaded into the Ubuntu repos, and I don't make a new package in my PPA? | 08:51 |
| pitti | nickmoeck: 2.2.1~ppa1 is smaller than 2.2.1, so you couldn't even upgrade to your PPA | 08:52 |
| pitti | nickmoeck: and if 2.2.2 gets into Ubuntu, an upgrade will use that | 08:52 |
| nickmoeck | pitti: Okay, I guess it's time to get a little more specific then. I need php without the suhosin patch, so I want to create a package with it disabled, put it into a PPA, and apt-get upgrade to that version. I don't want the version with suhosin to be installed if the official package is upgraded. | 08:55 |
| nickmoeck | Is there any way to do that, short of using pinning? | 08:55 |
| pitti | nickmoeck: I'd use apt pinning; I don't know of another way, excecpt of course always providing a newer version in your ppa | 08:57 |
| nickmoeck | pitti: okay, thank you very much | 08:59 |
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| MrRagga | hi, is there any kind of frontend package maintainer use to promote packages between the different stages? | 09:02 |
| pitti | "stages"? | 09:03 |
| MrRagga | pitti: what i am looking for is a web gui frontend, which can be used to promote packages between different stages using an authorized system. e.g. user A is allowed to promote the package foo-1.0.deb from experimental to stable using a web gui | 09:09 |
| MrRagga | pitti: similar to what is described here http://maemo.org/packages/ | 09:10 |
| pitti | MrRagga: for unstable -> testing that's done by a script; for the testing -> stable part, that's called "release team" :) | 09:16 |
| pitti | in Ubuntu we have a release team, but no concept of "testing" | 09:16 |
| pitti | (FTR, these are called "releases", not "stages") | 09:17 |
| pitti | or "series" in the DAK/Soyuz terminology | 09:17 |
| ogra_ | well, we have a web gui for copying packages between PPAs | 09:18 |
| ogra_ | not necessarily the same but similar | 09:19 |
| MrRagga | ogra_: is this web gui open source? | 09:21 |
| ogra_ | its part of launchpad, so yes, i think so | 09:21 |
| ogra_ | dont ask me about launchpad code though :) | 09:21 |
| MrRagga | hehe, ok. thanks. | 09:22 |
| jml | Good morning | 09:29 |
| Satoris | How can I found out what graphics driver a live CD system is using, since it does not come with glxinfo? System settings just says it is "unknown". | 09:35 |
| tjaalton | grep Xorg.0.log | 09:36 |
| tjaalton | though it's not that easy to actually find the match | 09:36 |
| tseliot | pitti: I've added support for multi-arch to the fglrx handler in jockey. Shall push my changes, release and upload or just push and leave it unreleased? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/638304/ | 09:36 |
| pitti | tseliot: hm, you didn't push yet? | 09:37 |
| pitti | tseliot: anyway, please upload | 09:37 |
| Satoris | Oneiric live cd has lost 3D acceleration on my Intel machine, so I need to find out if it's the driver or something in Unity. | 09:38 |
| tjaalton | Satoris: grep drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log | tail -1 | sed 's/.*\///;s/_drv.so//' | 09:38 |
| tseliot | pitti: no, I haven't pushed anything yet. I'll make an upload too then, thanks | 09:38 |
| Satoris | Hmm, it loads intel, vesa, fbdev and then intel for the second time. | 09:39 |
| tjaalton | fallbacks | 09:43 |
| tjaalton | dunno why it loads intel the second time though | 09:43 |
| tjaalton | my X61 works fine with intel, and just finished the upgrade on my sandybridge desktop | 09:43 |
| Satoris | What is the correct package for reporting this bug? X? Mesa? Kernel? Something else? | 09:43 |
| tjaalton | intel is loaded but 3d doesn't work? pastebin the logfile | 09:44 |
| tjaalton | and you can install mesa-utils on the live session :) | 09:44 |
| tjaalton | btw, the upgrade removed many "unneeded" packages, like postfix, bsd-mailx etc | 09:45 |
| tjaalton | dunno why | 09:45 |
| Satoris | It says that "mesa-utils has no installation candidates". | 09:45 |
| tjaalton | enable universe | 09:46 |
| tjaalton | quite silly to move binary packages to universe, when the rest are in main.. | 09:46 |
| tjaalton | ah | 09:46 |
| tjaalton | sorry, that's not the same source as mesa | 09:46 |
| tjaalton | but mesa-demos | 09:46 |
| Satoris | http://pastebin.com/zc7jNkgD | 09:48 |
| tjaalton | everything looks ok to me, same chip as on my X61 | 09:49 |
| tjaalton | duh, no this is sandybridge of course :) | 09:50 |
| tjaalton | ok let me boot up this one | 09:50 |
| Kottizen | hi, the package 'teeworlds' is outdated - what can I do? | 09:51 |
| tjaalton | Satoris: works fine here | 09:52 |
| Satoris | With the latest daily build live CD? | 09:53 |
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| tjaalton | Satoris: nah, upgraded system. I can try that one too | 09:53 |
| Satoris | Also, this is a Macbook which are always kind of tricky in their own ways. | 09:54 |
| Satoris | Glxinfo says it should be working. But still I get unity-2d. | 09:55 |
| tjaalton | what if you run 'compiz --replace' from a terminal? | 09:55 |
| Satoris | Now it works. Modulo the fact that compiz crashes quite quickly after that. | 09:56 |
| Satoris | Assuming it falls back to unity-2d? | 09:56 |
| tjaalton | maybe so | 09:56 |
| tjaalton | maybe the daily cd is missing some updates? | 09:57 |
| Satoris | Trying to report the compiz bug gives an error saying that the problem can't be reported due to obsolete package version. So that would be a yes then. | 09:57 |
| tjaalton | run dist-upgrade and restart gdm/lightdm | 09:58 |
| seb128 | hum, valgrind seems to be broken in oneiric | 10:00 |
| seb128 | doko_, lool: ^ do you know if that's due to the eglibc update? | 10:00 |
| lool | that happens frequently wiht eglibc upgrades indeed | 10:01 |
| seb128 | :-( | 10:02 |
| lool | --9631-- Warning: DWARF2 CFI reader: unhandled DW_OP_ opcode 0x2a | 10:02 |
| lool | valgrind: m_debuginfo/readdwarf.c:2338 (copy_convert_CfiExpr_tree): Assertion 'srcix >= 0 && srcix < VG_(sizeXA)(srcxa)' failed. | 10:02 |
| lool | that's pretty bad | 10:02 |
| lool | Implement some extra DWARF ops that gcc 4.6.1 seems to use. Fixes #275284. | 10:02 |
| lool | today on the valgrind devel list | 10:02 |
| lool | Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:22:33 +0100 (BST) | 10:02 |
| lool | some hours ago ;-) | 10:02 |
| lool | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.debugging.valgrind.devel/13919 | 10:03 |
| lool | so actually due to gcc 4.6.1, not eglibc | 10:03 |
| lool | seb128: I'm pushing this patch, but didn't test whether it's enough to fix valgrind | 10:08 |
| seb128 | lool, thanks, I will test once it's built | 10:09 |
| seb128 | lool, I found a bug where somebody confirmed r11856 fixes a similar issue so let's see | 10:10 |
| lool | I read through the last 15 or so SVN commits, and that seemed to be the only interesting one for x86 | 10:11 |
| seb128 | lool, thanks! | 10:13 |
| lool | seb128: new valgrind works for me | 10:23 |
| seb128 | lool, \o/ | 10:24 |
| seb128 | lool, well done, thanks again | 10:24 |
| lool | seb128: np, I feel like I am returning the favors from last week ;-) | 10:25 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:25 |
| directhex | is something frozen? | 10:32 |
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| dupondje | cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/debootstrap/+bug/805886 if you have some time :) | 10:47 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 805886 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "/proc does not get umounted after debootstrap" [Undecided,New] | 10:47 |
| hrw | cjwatson: debootstrap hack for bug 802985 provided as debdiff - take a look when have time | 11:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 802985 in eglibc (Ubuntu Hardy) "[lucid] /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: 399: arithmetic expression: expecting EOF: "3.0-0-generic"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802985 | 11:13 |
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| mterry | @pilot in | 12:57 |
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| barry | pitti: ping | 13:12 |
| ScottK | pitti: Kubuntu doesn't use kpackagekit/packagekit anymore in oneiric. It can go to Universe. | 13:13 |
| pitti | ScottK: thanks | 13:15 |
| pitti | barry: pong | 13:15 |
| barry | pitti: hi, re: bug 788514 and python-oauth | 13:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 788514 in Ubuntu Oneiric "python packages on the CDs not using dh_python2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788514 | 13:15 |
| barry | pitti: doesn't look like i can comfortably use udd to merge sid's package with oneiric (lots of conflicts). do you have any suggestions? i.e. should we just blow away oneiric's version and upload sids? | 13:16 |
| pitti | barry: I haven't checked whether we have some ubuntu specific changes there; I just took the sid source, built it, and tested | 13:16 |
| pitti | barry: we can sync sid's version if we don't need changes, no need for an upload there | 13:17 |
| barry | pitti: gotcha. okay, i'll investigate further then | 13:17 |
| barry | pitti: unfortunately, all the changes are in-tree, so sussing out the ubuntu specific changes is going to be difficult | 13:17 |
| pitti | barry: I hope they won't be necessary in the first place; distro specific changes in a protocol library sound bad | 13:18 |
| barry | pitti: agreed. i'll see what i can do and i'll ping dobey since he touched the package last | 13:19 |
| barry | zul: ping re: bug 788514 and python-image-store-proxy. any word on that package? anything i can do to help? it's the last python-central package on the server cd so i'm eager to see this one closed | 13:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 788514 in Ubuntu Oneiric "python packages on the CDs not using dh_python2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788514 | 13:24 |
| zul | barry: sorry for the delay ill take a look at it today | 13:24 |
| barry | zul: thanks! | 13:25 |
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| seb128 | slangasek, hi | 14:18 |
| seb128 | slangasek, it seems you forgot to push your recent avahi upload to the vcs, do you still have it locally? could you push? | 14:19 |
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| apw | pitti, did we find any alternative to editmoin in the end? i | 15:39 |
| pitti | I didn't | 15:39 |
| * apw has just reliased that his status pages are no longer updating as a result | 15:39 | |
| james_w | apw, why do you need an alternative? | 15:47 |
| apw | james_w, it doesn't seem to work any more | 15:47 |
| james_w | apw, "no content found" error or something similar? | 15:48 |
| apw | error: body information not found | 15:48 |
| apw | james_w, ^ | 15:48 |
| james_w | not sure that means you have to replace it :-) bug 801284 | 15:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 801284 in editmoin "Doesn't work with latest moin over https" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801284 | 15:48 |
| apw | james_w, ok i'll try and get that to work | 15:51 |
| pitti | jibel: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-xorg-stakeholders-request has "Arrange community testing for Alpha-2" for you for alpha-2; does that go beyond the usual image testing which happens anyway? | 15:57 |
| jibel | pitti, yes there are specific test cases http://xorg.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ | 15:58 |
| pitti | jibel: oh, nice! | 15:59 |
| pitti | jibel: so if that is being done already, I guess this could be set to done? | 15:59 |
| apw | james_w, did you test this change successfully ? | 16:00 |
| jibel | pitti, it is not done, it will start next week. If binary drivers are ready of course. | 16:00 |
| pitti | jibel: ack | 16:01 |
| apw | james_w, as it seems to be sorely lacking some code, and doesn't work on wiki.ubuntu.com | 16:01 |
| saam | hello, when I install fglrx form jockey in oneiric it says SystemError: installArchives() failed But a recent changelog in jockey says multi arch problem with fglrx solved | 16:04 |
| apw | james_w, so for w.u.c you need to use MOIN_SESSION_80_ROOT regardless of it being https, for w.c.c you need _443_ ... | 16:06 |
| apw | james_w, and the patch as is doesn't actually pass the cookiename | 16:06 |
| apw | pitti, ok with some hackery i have a (bodged) editmoin which works ... the changes arn't commitable me thinks, but it may be of use | 16:11 |
| pitti | apw: oh, awesome! so it's not some complicated change to oauth? | 16:12 |
| pitti | apw: we must make Gustavo use the wiki more | 16:12 |
| apw | pitti, the issue is the names of the cookies have changed, and changed in an incompatible way on w.u.c and w.c.c | 16:12 |
| apw | pitti, ok i've bodge this hideously but it at least works for those two destinations, and should be the same for the rest: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/misc/editmoin | 16:15 |
| pitti | apw: hah, nice one | 16:16 |
| apw | pitti, you need to lookup the new ID strings in your browser cookies and shove them in .moin_ids as normal | 16:16 |
| pitti | apw: perhaps an upstreamable fix would be to try all three of these in succession? | 16:16 |
| apw | pitti, yeah that sounds more reasonable doesn't it | 16:16 |
| apw | i'll try that out later | 16:16 |
| apw | pitti, ok i've updated the version at the above url, should be more like you are suggesting | 16:24 |
| apw | james_w, i've pushed an updated patch to your bug, which seems to work on all the wikis | 16:29 |
| apw | and james_w good work finding that, its been making me grumpy for weeks | 16:36 |
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| mterry | sabdfl, fyi just noticed that ~ubuntu-users is using the old Ubuntu branding | 17:30 |
| mterry | (you are the team owner) | 17:30 |
| jml | g'night folks. | 17:38 |
| sabdfl | thanks mterry | 17:42 |
| mterry | @pilot out | 17:59 |
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| barry | pitti: bug 806103 | 18:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 806103 in python-oauth (Ubuntu) "Sync python-oauth 1.0.1-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806103 | 18:15 |
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| doko | ogasawara, apw: did miss the notice; gcc-4.6 4.6.1-2 now has the Linaro updates (still building on armel) | 19:36 |
| slangasek | seb128: blast; if I didn't push it to the VCS, it's because I grabbed the UDD branch again by mistake. Let me grab the right branch and push now, if you haven't already done it | 19:40 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I didn't but don't bother, I can do it when I do the upload if the work need to be redone anyway | 19:42 |
| seb128 | it was in case you had it and forgot to push | 19:42 |
| slangasek | seb128: seems not :( | 19:42 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I would say "debcheckout it your friend" but it might have been confused by the debian vcs infos | 19:42 |
| slangasek | seb128: debcheckout is only my friend if there is a Vcs field... I have suggested that debcheckout should DTRT for both UDD and non-UDD branches, but I don't think that's been implemented | 19:44 |
| seb128 | slangasek, there was a vcs field in the upload before yours | 19:44 |
| seb128 | oh you mean if there is not one if will not fetch the udd vcs | 19:44 |
| seb128 | would make sense to checkout the vcs if specific or udd if there is none | 19:45 |
| seb128 | (ok, we could also move to UDD for desktop, but that would be too easy :p) | 19:45 |
| slangasek | there are still other packages maintained in non-UDD branches, it's not just a desktop problem | 19:47 |
| seb128 | indeed | 19:47 |
| seb128 | ev, could you drop the libcheese depends from ubiquity in the next upload if you still not use it? | 19:48 |
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| tlp | Bug #804655 must be what killed Unity for me on my iMac. No r300g. | 20:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 804655 in mesa (Ubuntu) "r300 loading instead of r300g" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804655 | 20:06 |
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| broder | so...if -dbgsym packages aren't going into the librarian currently, does that mean there's no way to get debugging symbols for a package that's been superseded? | 22:16 |
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