[07:18] <alourie|work>  good morning
[07:18] <alourie|work> is alpha2 available for download?
[10:30] <jibel> Hi azll
[10:30] <jibel> all
[10:31] <jibel> Ubuntu Desktop images and upgrades are published on the tracker.
[12:00] <chadadavis> Is there a blueprint on the decision regarding the planned size of the install images (e.g. 700, 703, 1G, etc)?
[13:09] <vmiheer__> i have downloaded oneiric daily build last night and installed inside windows...
[13:10] <vmiheer__> The backlight of my Acer aspire 4736z goes off just before the login screen
[13:12] <vmiheer__> fortunately i got an lcd screen in my college with vga port the display is working fine. but it is in unity 2d mode. I can't use gnome session.
[13:12] <brendand> chadadavis - let me see if i can find it
[13:13] <vmiheer__> My laptop display works in windows and also ubuntu 10.04 i386
[13:13] <vmiheer__> the only problem is i was always been unable to change the brightness of it.
[13:14] <vmiheer__> I found same problem with my 11.04. but sometimes magically the display appeared there...
[13:15] <vmiheer__> please atleast tell me how i am supposed to report this bug my email id is v.miheer@gmail.com
[13:15] <vmiheer__> thanking you...
[13:16] <brendand> chadadavis - tada! https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-great-cd-debate
[13:16] <chadadavis> Thanks, brendand
[13:17] <charlie-tca> vmiheer_: report the bug by opening a terminal and using
[13:17] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug linux
[13:17] <brendand> chadadavis - see the diagram at the bottom for other related BPs
[13:18] <charlie-tca> That will attach most of the needed log files
[13:19] <vmiheer_> another thing i can see the stuff on my display using an led torch...
[13:19] <vmiheer_> :-)
[13:20] <vmiheer_> thank you charlie-tca i will try and get back...
[13:23] <chadadavis> brendand, it looks like we're aiming for 703MB images, then?
[13:23] <chadadavis> unless anyone here knows differently?
[13:24] <brendand> chadadavis - ubuntu-installer is a better hangout for that question, if you really want to know for sure
[13:24] <brendand> (although cjwatson is here)
[13:24] <chadadavis> Thanks, brendand, better to go to the right place ...
[13:37] <vmiheer> By chance the backlight has turned on this time...
[13:37] <vmiheer> I am using unity 2d
[14:36] <charlie-tca> jibel: screen-reader install will fail on alpha2
[14:37] <charlie-tca> jibel: I sent a message to the qa ML asking that not be included for this milestone
[14:43] <jibel> charlie-tca, I read your mail, I've a bunch of updates to do on the tracker. I finish reviewing of ubuntu images and will removes will proceed with the updates later today.
[15:31] <chadadavis> stgraber, if you're getting edubuntu rebuilt, the gdm problem with edubuntu dvd amd64 affects i386 as well
[15:33] <stgraber> chadadavis: really? I don't see the gdm package on the i386 image.
[15:34] <chadadavis> stgraber, but you verified that gdm was the problem? apt-cache policy gdm: Installed: 3.0.4-0ubuntu3
[15:36] <stgraber> chadadavis: having gdm on the DVD is a problem in all cases. Now booting amd64 here just gives a tty with gdm running on some other vt. Booting i386 gives a working live session
[15:38] <chadadavis> stgraber: I can sudo service lightdm start manually, but it doesn't start automatically.
[15:39] <hggdh> chadadavis: did you dpkg-reconfigure gdm or lightdm?
[15:39] <stgraber> chadadavis: on amd64 that's correct. On i386 I have lightdm running here.
[15:39] <chadadavis> stgraber: happens to me on i386 as well, under virtual box 4
[15:40] <chadadavis> hggdh: neither
[15:40] <stgraber> chadadavis: dpkg -l | grep gdm
[15:40] <stgraber> chadadavis: do you get anything on i386?
[15:40] <hggdh> chadadavis: please run it, and make sure lightdm is selected for start (I am looking at a simlilar issue right now, trying to reproduce)
[15:41] <chadadavis> stgraber: Yeah, it's the one I mentioned 3.0.4-0ubuntu3
[15:41] <stgraber> c65a42618211524083f16036026c0baf  oneiric-dvd-i386.iso
[15:42] <stgraber> chadadavis: can you check the md5sum of your iso image?
[15:42] <stgraber> the one I just pasted is the one you should have
[15:43] <chadadavis> stgraber, different. I'll resync and get back to you if I find anything contradictory.
[15:43] <stgraber> ok, so you very likely have 20110705.1 which indeed had gdm
[15:43] <stgraber> 20110705.2 was supposed to fix that for both i386 and amd64 but for some reason the rebuild only did the trick for i386...
[15:44] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/vm/iso$ wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20110705.2/oneiric-dvd-amd64.manifest -O - -q | grep gdm
[15:44] <stgraber> gdm	3.0.4-0ubuntu3
[15:44] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/vm/iso$ wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20110705.2/oneiric-dvd-i386.manifest -O - -q | grep gdm
[15:44] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/vm/iso$
[15:45] <stgraber> chadadavis: Edubuntu DVD is rebuilding now. New builds should be posted in < 2 hours
[15:46] <chadadavis> stgraber, thanks. Sorry for false alarm. I'm subscribed to those images now too.
[15:46] <charlie-tca> I am re-zyncing my xubuntu images; they seem to have gotten respun after I synced this morning
 lightdm sigsegv-ed :-(
[15:53] <hggdh> and again...
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu live sessions do not start; bug 799238
[16:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 799238 in casper (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu amd64 20110618 xserver abort (affects: 1) (heat: 255)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799238
[17:01] <charlie-tca> WORKAROUND: install using the cd menu
[17:06] <jibel> charlie-tca, can you reproduce it ?
[17:06] <charlie-tca> everytime
[17:06] <charlie-tca> both 32 and 64bit
[17:06] <charlie-tca> can not start a live session no matter what I try
[17:07] <jibel> charlie-tca, when you're on the console, does X starts if you don't touch anything and wait 2 minutes ?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> no
[17:07] <charlie-tca> it just sits at the black screen, forever
[17:07]  * charlie-tca tried waiting up to 10 minutes
[17:08] <jibel> 2 min is enough, I was thinking about bug 791139
[17:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 791139 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "When booting from an ISO, a shell is displayed for 2 min before the graphics environment starts (affects: 1) (heat: 129)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791139
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but we have not been able to get a live session ever with lightdm
[17:09] <charlie-tca> It's been broken for a while
[17:11] <davmor2> jibel: on the ubuntu live install on VBox I get a whole heap of issues ziestgiest dies, USC crashes but doesn't close or stop functioning, no calendaring at all which is a huge regression I get the udev write permission warning so splash is seemingly non-existant, restart after install has press enter as white text on black instead of test on shutdown splash
[17:12] <davmor2> I can go on but I don't have time right now
[17:16] <hggdh> jibel: I was comparing output from both the old jenkins server and the new for the oneiric tests today and... they do *not* match
[17:17] <jibel> hggdh, could you check which image the old jenkins tested today ? I reran the jobs on the new jenkins because it was testing the wrong images
[17:17] <hggdh> jibel: checking now
[17:18] <jibel> hggdh, that's the bug where the checksum file is updated but images are not available, in this situation it tests the images available from the cache.
[17:25] <charlie-tca> trying the i386 desktop image live session on hardware, black screen, no cursor,
[17:29] <charlie-tca> aborting attempt
[17:55] <chadadavis> stgraber, edubuntu i386 and amd64 auto-start lightdm now, and gdm is gone.
[17:57] <stgraber> yeah!
[18:10] <hggdh> anyone can run virt-manager on Oneiric?
[18:19] <njin> sincing ubi & kubi 64
[18:25] <jibel> charlie-tca, do you use specific hardware, graphics card ?
[18:26] <jibel> charlie-tca, live session works fine here on intel hw
[18:26] <charlie-tca> I have 2 386 desktop machines, 1 64bit laptop, and a bunch of VBox machines I use
[18:27] <jibel> charlie-tca, and what is the setup of the system with the black screen ?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> I can't get a desktop session on anything here, intel 845, ati, nvidia, and VBox
[18:28] <charlie-tca> ati express 200, vbox, and ATI Radeon 9800 w/128MB
[18:28] <charlie-tca> all giving the same things
[18:30] <jibel> I don't have any problem on vbox.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> here, take at look at june - http://www.google.com/url?q=http://2tu.us/3dmh&usd=2&usg=ALhdy2__BW8olO1HKH4HdYEcAVhIv6zxCw
[18:31] <charlie-tca> We haven't been able to get a live session between three of uis
[18:31] <charlie-tca> and it hasn't changed
[18:32] <charlie-tca> http://2tu.us/3e70 might be better to try
[18:32] <charlie-tca> I just ran it on my hardware; see above. It failed again
[18:34] <charlie-tca> I have to count one in four as a failure
[18:55] <njin> hggdh, just installed testdrive but it crash, do you need something from this crash ?
[19:06] <jibel> njin, probably bug 805985
[19:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 805985 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "testdrive-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_gtk_parse_menu_structure() (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805985
[19:07] <njin> jibel, perfect thanks
[20:10] <chadadavis> Should we be skipping images not listed on the tracker, e.g. ubuntu-dvd (i386/amd64) ?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> chadadavis: if they are not on the tracker, they either need to be re-built or will not be published for the milestone
[20:14] <chadadavis> thanks, charlie-tca
[20:14] <charlie-tca> yw
[20:17] <skaet> charlie-tca, chadadavis - I believe not having ubuntu-dvd on the tracker was an oversight.   I've gone ahead and added them,  since a set were built.
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah. I forgot that part, too.
[20:18] <chadadavis> skaet, I thought that was odd, thanks.
[20:18] <skaet> chadadavis, thanks for asking.  :)
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Sometimes it is just forgotten, so you should always ask here.
[20:18]  * skaet nods
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Then at least the right people know about it.
[20:19] <chadadavis> How should I let the tracker know that I cannot test the amd64+mac images, because they're too large (mac doesn't boot USB)? Doesn't seem like a real bug report.
[20:20] <charlie-tca> It should be a "real" bug report, if it can not be installed because of the issue
[20:20] <chadadavis> OK, will do, thanks charlie-tca
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Do other mac's have usb capability?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> jibel: 10 minutes of black screen on
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Hardware test; Intel Celeron 1.73GHz, 64bit; 1GB RAM; Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Video
[20:22] <chadadavis> charlie-tca, The new 8,x (from spring 2011, w sandy bridge) should be able to, but most of us dont' have those. I will ask around, though.
[20:22] <charlie-tca> bug report then. Images are useless to mac
[20:23] <chadadavis> charlie-tca, kubuntu-alternate fits, but the others don
[20:24] <chadadavis> don't. I'm testing the DVDs on mac, because they boot, but hardware support will be less, hence my question about ubuntu-dvd
[20:29] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu_ I thought you had a mac 8,x series? Have you tried booting the oversized amd64+mac images via USB on it?
[22:34] <pace_t_zulu_> chadadavis: hi
[22:34] <pace_t_zulu_> chadadavis: haven't in a while
[22:34] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: has anything changed since natty launch?
[22:38] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, There is a new kernel. If I remember right, you could only boot the USB when the CD was also loaded. Would be interesting to check the new images via USB on the 8x series.
[22:39] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: it would be interesting ... i am quite busy at the moment - but when i have the chance i will check it out
[22:45] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, no problem.