=== webpigeon is now known as Guest93898 === Guest93898 is now known as webpigeon_web === paul232 is now known as paulie [05:06] Hello iceflatline [05:07] iceflatline: How are the fireworks? [06:25] morning all [06:34] Morning [06:49] hiya [07:11] Morning [07:43] Oooh - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/ubuntu-logo-appears-samsung-galaxy-ii-ad-why/ [07:48] morning all === denny- is now known as denny [08:08] oh, no more synaptic [08:36] Good morning troops [08:37] http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Vsftpd-backdoor-discovered-in-source-code-update-1272310.html [08:37] just saw this story :-\ [08:45] do people install a public facing ftp server using a tarball from upstream source? [08:48] people do do some dumb things when given an internet-facing server :( [08:48] popey: not usually , unless you need specific compile options [08:49] but how many people check the gpg key? [08:50] morning biggie [08:50] Hola! [08:50] oimon: even if I needed specific compile options I would compile the package from my repo [08:50] and repackage it [08:50] but I am not most people I guess [08:51] * hoover usuall compiles custom stuff using --prefix so it's easier to switch between versions [08:51] * BigRedS usually tries to claim there's no alternative to whatever apt-get pulls in :) [08:53] heh [08:53] that too [08:59] people download the wordpress .zip file all the time [09:01] wasn't there a package recently that had been compromised for ages before anyone noticed? [09:01] by package, i mean application source [09:03] hehe [09:03] I'm guilty of blindly updating wp over the web, too [09:05] * bigcalm nods [09:05] * bigcalm backs up 1st though and keeps everything in svn [09:06] good boy [09:06] *yawn* [09:07] gives Myrtti a coffee [09:07] * bigcalm has coffee! [09:11] I have set up gmail in evolution and set it to automatically retrieve images. Now it hangs on an image that it cannot retrieve. Is there a workaround for this perhaps? === oli is now known as Oli [09:13] if i am on some path in terminal, how can i open that quickly in nautilus [09:13] nautilus `pwd` [09:13] nice [09:13] thanks [09:14] my pleasure [09:14] Morning [09:14] o/ [09:14] good morning everyone. [09:17] moning brobostigon, daubers [09:17] morning hoover [09:19] * daubers does mundane data entry [09:22] or even quicker: nautilus . [09:22] (note the "." ;-) [09:40] Hmm... bit unfortunate the best sqlite editor I found is a firefox addon [09:43] It's irritating that the best mysql editor is not open. SQLyog works well under wine though :) [09:46] There should be an extension or whatever for browsers that can take a GPG key that's listed from where you download and check it with the downloaded file automatically. [09:47] +1 [09:47] Since most people don't bother doing this, this would make it easier. It's an idea for any coder to do (I can't code a thing apart from 10 PRINT "Hello world" 20 GOTO 10 ;-)) [09:47] I've long wondered why browsers ignore the md5s file, too [09:51] Talking of WP, 3.2 is out and pestering me to upgrade [09:53] thanks for the note biggie ;-) [09:54] requires php 5.2.x though [09:55] need to get those jasonlitka reps on my centos server I guess [09:56] hoover: tried the http://iuscommunity.org/ repo? [09:56] oimon: I generally use jasonlitka when I need a newer php version on centos [09:56] but thanks for the link oimon [09:56] it is the rackspace community repo, so quite trustworthy [10:05] popey: saw your tweet, shocked that you didn't install http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ for the 8yr old instead [10:08] heh [10:10] latest version of hotot moves all RTs to another panel...interesting [10:16] they introduced a "content firewall" to filter my timeline wooo! [10:21] In an effort to be productive today, atempting not to look at twitter until lunch time. [10:27] just saved £1000 by asking dell to remove windows tax on 19 PCs :-\ [10:28] well done oimon! [10:28] thats worth another 2 PCs :D [10:29] thats even after selection the cheapest win7 option too [10:29] oimon: got documents and a blog to put it on? [10:30] it's a normal service for me, since i have an account manager [10:30] so no hoops to jump through, just ask him to provide a quote without win [10:31] harder for the average joe [10:31] saving per PC 52.51 + VAT [10:34] i may blog about it to remind people though === seeker_ is now known as seeker [10:36] anyone know of a remote desktop solution that will work via a mobile broadband connection? [10:37] to access your own computer remotely? Or to access someone else's computer? [10:37] access someone else's [10:38] You can always use Teamviewer [10:38] JGJones: Thanx, I'll check it out [10:40] JGJones: There's nothing in the repositories perhaps? [10:40] no sorry there aren't... [10:41] xapel: which OS is running on the pc? [10:41] oimon: Ubuntu on both client and server [10:41] freenx is a good solution but you will need to punch holes in the firewall [10:42] i believe skype also allows desktop sharing and manages to get around firewall issues [10:42] depends if you want "share my screen" or to open a different session [10:43] the problem with skype is I do not get to control the mouse and keyboard [10:43] oimon, As I understand it - Skype's desktop sharing is a live video of your desktop [10:43] JGJones: yes, thats correct [10:44] I need to provide software support for my mother in law 400km away [10:44] ssh ? [10:44] SSH is one option [10:44] I converted her from Windows to Ubuntu [10:45] freenx also works over ssh connections and is super fast [10:45] you can use the inbuilt remote desktop on Ubuntu - it's based on VNC and so will be crappy on slow connections, but it's there. [10:45] oimon, JGJones: ssh? tell me more. Can I see her screen or is it only commandline [10:46] i use vnc over ssh [10:46] i have opened port 22 _only_ on her router, and use dynamic dns to get a hostname for her ip [10:46] then just do:- [10:46] vncviewer -via mumsmachine.dyndns.org localhost [10:46] that opens an ssh tunnel and vnc viewer [10:46] job done [10:47] popey: it is mobile broadband (like a vodafone dongle) so no routers and port forwarding I'm afraid [10:47] mumbuntu :) [10:47] using vinagre on her end? [10:47] yes mumbuntu :) [10:47] xapel: get her machine to setup a reverse ssh tunnel to your machine when it starts up [10:47] then you can get in from your machine [10:47] xapel, I'm guessing your mum can't open ports etc on her router? :) [10:48] You need something to access her machine NOW do you? [10:48] and then you can implement the solutions like Popey said [10:48] you could cron a job to check if the tunnel is up, and if not, start it [10:49] or use my super magic vnc app which is currently in development :D [10:49] JGJones: No, she does not have a router. She has a USB vodafone dongle. And even if she had a router, there is no way I would even attempt to talk her through that process over the phone. [10:50] I do not need it right now, but I'm sure I will need it at some point [10:50] ah...ok...go with what popey said - I do the same thing too :) [10:50] yep, tried and tested mumbuntu solution, :) [10:50] for my Dadbuntu :) [10:51] * popey is writing a remote control app for ubuntu for exactly this situation [10:51] somebody should do a respin of the custom mumbuntu setup :P [10:51] popey, I'll be interested to test it :) [10:52] popey, How do I set up the reverse ssh tunnel form her machine? Or are you saying your rc app in development will take care of this automatically? [10:53] yes [10:53] the person presses a button, you press a button, all just works [10:53] works via proxies too [10:54] popey...so you are a remote desktop ninja master! [10:56] popey, where and when can I get it? I'll be willing to pay a nominal fee for it as well :) [11:17] grrrr everytime somebody else gets my password wrong too many times on my bank website, i have to setup all my security questions all over again [11:21] :/ [11:22] no punctuation allowed in my bank password :-\ [11:23] oimon: Why what did you try? [11:23] oimon: "We regret we can not provide you with your money right now....... muahahahaha" [11:23] penguin42: they state on the password page that only letters and numbers allowed in my incredibly secure bank password [11:23] and they meant it...i tried a secure passwd [11:25] any recommendations on CPU funs - I don't overclock but the standard issue i7-860 fan isn't coping when all four cores are fully loaded [11:25] funs? fans! [11:26] I was thinking of shutting down the server I use for IRC to clean the fans [11:28] or I could try taking it apart with it still on [11:28] penguin42, it's probably not the cpu fan that's the problem - usually it's the case fans. [11:29] directhex: Hmm that's possible - I've got a 12cm but slow case fan - nice and quiet and I was trying to keep it that way [11:29] AlanBell, i think we all know that its more fun to take things apart whilst they are still on [11:29] penguin42, in or out? [11:29] directhex: Blowing out [11:30] directhex: There isn't anything much else in the machine - a single 7200RPM 1T drive which is cool enough and a single low end Radeon (passively cooled) [11:30] penguin42, yeah, that's what i expected. it's mounted in the dead area directly above the motherboard read panel connectors, if you lay the case with mobo horizontal? [11:30] *rear [11:31] directhex: No, it's a midi case so the big fan is pretty much in line with the CPU fan [11:31] gord: I haven't gone offline yet, so I think it is working [11:31] the i7 is 95W TDP? [11:31] hamitron: Yeh [11:31] penguin42, any grilles on the front? or is it all plastic? [11:32] some hot stuff [11:32] :) [11:32] hamitron, i remember 130W desktop CPUs [11:32] directhex: yeh :( [11:32] directhex: Other than the drive bays (all plastic) it's a fine metal mesh - so quiet a lot of piercing and there is a fewcm^2 piereced panel on the side above the CPU fan [11:33] directhex: CPU idles at about 35c but a big make -j can take it upto 90 [11:33] penguin42: how hot it getting? [11:33] oh, nvm [11:33] :D [11:33] mission acomplished :) [11:33] penguin42, any mounts for a front fan? [11:33] you read my question before I typed it :/ [11:34] directhex: Not sure, but there is certainly room - but I was hoping to keep it quiet [11:34] penguin42, then don't buy noisy fans! [11:34] directhex: Hehe yes - well that is why I used the big but slow 12cm on the back [11:35] how is the i7 getting that hot when it is 95W, my pentium d was only 95W and never got near that [11:35] :/ [11:35] * penguin42 wonders if the problem is actually the mesh on the side - does it mean the air isn't actually flowing over the CPU? [11:35] penguin42, you don't have any "flow" at all, without an intake. [11:36] directhex: Well as I say the front is all mesh [11:36] penguin42, you're going to have pockets of hot air as-is. just having mesh won't keep things cool [11:36] if there is mesh near the rear extracting fan, you can be sure the air will take the easiest route [11:36] ;) [11:37] penguin42, a case which is totally sealed save for an intake and an outtake will run cooler than a case made of chickenwire :p [11:37] i have a radiator connected to my water cooling thing, so it means i actually blow air in to my case as i need to get air moving over the radiator, its crazy [11:38] I read a really good report on cooling, can't find it atm :/ [11:38] hamitron: Well that's what I'm wondering about the side opening [11:38] it was about 60 pages long though [11:41] is going to ask a different question [11:41] any advice on which replacement CPU fan to buy [11:42] * hamitron just uses stock [11:42] ;) [11:43] there are some cheap complete sealed water cooling kits that look good value [11:43] 50 quid iirc [11:43] * penguin42 wonders why on a quad core machine, 4 md5sum /dev/zero's runs cooler than 8 [11:44] ok, so I have HT but hmm [11:45] http://www.ebuyer.com/product/234187 [11:45] bit overkill [11:45] ;/ [11:46] yeh that's a bit pricey [11:47] hamitron: I was wondering about something like http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Be+Quiet%21+Dark+Rock+Advanced+CPU+Cooler+?productId=43590 [11:48] it has to be better for sure [11:48] :) [11:48] * penguin42 is a bit worried about it fitting [11:48] yeh :/ [11:48] I'd just get more case fans tbh [11:48] but I have no case fans [11:48] \o/ [11:48] penguin42: Just get a couple of dozen CO2 fire extinguishers. That'll keep the whole lot nice and cold for a little while [11:49] daubers: True, they're a bit noisy when they discharge [11:49] penguin42: Fun though [11:49] true [11:49] make -j [11:50] I hear liquid freon is also good in those situations [11:51] CO2 fire extinguishers linked up to a smoke detector [11:51] http://www.ebuyer.com/product/264011 [11:51] so every time it catches fire, it puts it out [11:51] I swear there was a cheaper one [11:51] and sends you an xmpp message? [11:51] No, it would use pubsub of course [11:51] heh [11:52] so what are the gotchas in whether it fits or not? (assuming it's for the right socket type) - case height? Whether it snags on the DIMMs ? [11:52] http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-005-AN&groupid=962&catid=1532&subcat= [11:52] getting there [11:52] ;) [11:52] penguin42: Making sure any cables near it are clear of the fan [11:53] nod [11:54] * hoover 's all confused... dropbox vs. sparkleshare vs. spideroak vs... [11:54] Ubuntu One [11:54] I've been listening to too many podcasts lately [11:55] yeah, I've started using UO for more sensitive stuff [11:55] don't forget syncany [11:55] sparkleshare looks nice, too esp. the ability to use your own storage [11:56] oimon: I've tried syncany, but it still looks early days [11:56] http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13091/ex-vap-20/Cooler_Express_2011_Design_Super_Evaporator_CPU_GPU_Cooling_Unit_-_Sockets_AM2_AM3_LGA_1156_LGA1366_CE-48-D-1C-1G.html?tl=g49 [11:57] heck [11:59] with all these high temps people keep saying, are the stock coolers maybe not flat or something? [11:59] although, I suspect some of these TDP figures are skewed somehow [12:00] ;/ [12:01] my i3 is sat idle at 20 C [12:01] :) [12:02] my i3 laptop is idling at 58C, an atom desktop is at 38 C [12:02] :-o [12:02] 20 C [12:02] no [12:02] it is summer AlanBell, turn the heating down [12:03] ;) [12:03] 20C is lower than ambiant right now! [12:03] ali1234: I don't believe 20C either [12:03] ;) [12:03] but my i3 says 20 C, and the core2 says 18 C [12:03] My GPU is sitting at 68 C idle :S [12:03] it would be nice to find the spec for the original Intel fan in terms of cooling capacity [12:03] I would perhaps believe 20C if it was off [12:04] AlanBell: it is either off, or I do no work? ;) [12:05] my cheap room thermonitor says 26 C [12:05] so dunno how comps work out the temps [12:05] in your case they don't [12:05] they just make up a random and obviously wrong number [12:05] ali1234: yeh [12:05] :/ [12:06] tbh, the heatsink actually feels cold to touch [12:06] haha [12:06] so dunno [12:06] in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics [12:08] the fan on the core2 duo is actually 0 rpm [12:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/638383/ the results from our i7 in the cloud [12:08] and feels fine to touch [12:08] spins up at 20 C [12:08] howd you get that AlanBell ? [12:08] sensors [12:08] ah [12:09] had to install lmsensors and run sensors-detect and some other stuff it told me to run to load the kernel module [12:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/638384/ [12:09] my desktop [12:09] what is temp1,2,3? [12:10] hamitron: I have no clue [12:10] sudo apt-get install sysstat; ; sar -m TEMP [12:11] I want a silent ARM server [12:12] or desktop, same thing [12:12] me too! although my silent atom is okay [12:12] I got netgear readynas with a Sparq cpu :) [12:12] AlanBell: The Marvell based ones aren't bad for that - the challenge is finding stuff with good storage interfaces and network interfaces [12:12] * hamitron likes to be different, ARM is getting popular ;/ [12:13] I wish I had a x86 now though [12:14] be nice to be able to run normal things [12:15] I am not running anything on the server that wouldn't run on ARM [12:15] * BigRedS pats his ppc dns server fondly [12:15] well, I would if I was in the same room as it [12:17] tbh, got serious data overload, and no decent way to back it up [12:17] :/ [12:17] that is what scares me now [12:18] if some of my drives blew, I wouldn't know what would be lost [12:18] that's the cost of being different .. [12:18] and when I came to need something off it, I'd be searching everywhere and wasting time [12:18] haha [12:18] no, more the cost of hoarding [12:18] :) [12:19] hamitron, switch to a RAID? [12:19] that costs [12:19] and RAID is not really a good backup [12:20] its not a backup at all, its failure prevention [12:20] I want something I can sync a backup, then physically remove [12:20] aye [12:21] I use multiple hdd and hotswap now [12:21] but just a pain [12:21] all backup stuff is a pain [12:22] yhe :/ [12:22] tempted with bluray [12:22] i backup the few things i actually need to, encryption keys and the like. put lots of stuff in the cloud and have a "i don't actually care if i lose this file" approach to the majority of stuff [12:23] sure maybe i'll lose a few seasons of fraiser to a data loss, but i'll go grab the dvd's and re-rip them. i got the data from somewhere before and i'll be able to get it back again [12:23] dvd is not a worry, yeh [12:23] but something like music, takes longer to rip [12:23] yeah, I've a bunch of stuff on github and pretty much everything else exists somewhere else and I'll find it if I both lose it *and* notice it's gone [12:24] I wouldn't lose the actual music [12:24] just the many years of ripping it [12:24] all my music is in the cloud [12:25] these look cute http://www.synology.com/products/spec.php?product_name=DS411slim&lang=enu#p_submenu [12:25] and because its ubuntu one, on a bunch of different computers too [12:25] it would take me 200 days to upload my music [12:26] :/ [12:26] visit a friend at a uni with a 1 gb uplink :) [12:26] yeh :) [12:26] does it cost much? [12:26] for the storage [12:27] i use spideroak and pay nothing [12:27] for 31GB [12:28] I'll need about 2Tb [12:28] * oimon chokes on his orange juice [12:29] hamitron: do you work ? [12:29] yeh, work from home [12:29] :) [12:29] on holiday this week \o/ [12:29] no office to speak of? [12:29] no other office i mean [12:30] no [12:30] ho-hum [12:30] it would be a needless extra cost [12:30] afternoon all [12:31] I think I may just buy some more hdd [12:31] ha. Given a laptop that's "not working" - window vista with 1GB free space left, but a 2nd partition with 60GB free space. [12:32] and not used. [12:32] nice :) [12:37] JGJones, merge them! [12:38] or low level format that beast off it [12:38] ;/ [12:40] directhex, aye I'm doing that...making it 1 partition..I'm just making a backup first. [12:42] quick recommendation - online store to purchase flash memory for next day delivery? [12:43] crucial? [12:44] I went there first...but they only do SSD drives [12:44] after cards - ie SD cards [12:44] insight.com? dabs? all good sellers [12:47] oimon: just testing syncany, it fails to create the repo over sftp (centos server), any ideas? [12:47] the exception isn't very helpful, either [12:48] nope, sorry, haven't actually used it [12:50] I see [12:50] it creates files named syncany on the server, so login seems to work [13:07] oimon: got it to work [13:07] \o/ [13:11] looks like the bug that bit me has already been reported on lp [13:41] using google calendar, can you "invite" people to places, and accept/reject that invite? [13:41] accept/reject the invite for them? [13:42] no, just send an invite [13:43] fed up with world of warcraft being crappy and not letting me export the in game calendar so going to do some hackery :p [13:45] or right, yes sure, i mean, you just set up a meeting/event thing and invite people [13:46] Location: Azeroth might be the nerdiest thing i ever heard of though [13:46] :D [13:47] guild raids are awesome though, we all get on mumble and have a great laugh :P [13:49] yep, managed to trick gcal into inviting myself and giving me the option \o/ [13:50] now to find a google calendar python lib, scrape the wow website, and winning [14:08] [Tony] Out in the midday sun - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/07/05/out-in-the-midday-sun/ [14:16] Heh [14:46] anyone remember much about old processors? i.e. how the AMD sempron 3400+ compares to P4 3.0ghz [14:48] oimon: they actually re-branded some things a few times [14:48] the sempron machines, although newer by around 1yr , seem woefully slow [14:48] oimon, check tomshardware for benchmarks maybe? [14:48] * tugrik giggles at the use of "old" and carries on working [14:49] I'd favour the P4 3ghz over the sempron 3400 [14:49] seems to be true [14:49] have some spare machines at work and figuring which one to take home :) [14:50] :D [14:50] although i have a p4 3.2ghz at home already , but it doesn't have pci-express [14:50] take all of them? ;) [14:50] hamitron: i'm married..not good idea anymore [14:50] haha [14:51] the AMD ones sound fast cos they are 64 bit but they seem completely lame [14:51] my P4 has pci-e :( [14:51] I really want an older P4 system with AGP [14:51] trying to figure out if pci-e 1x is faster than agp 4x [14:51] hamitron: where are you? [14:52] East Yorkshire, so miles away [14:52] i have loads of p4 boxes to get rid of :P [14:52] oh [14:54] I am now running my little atom server fanless to see what will happen [14:54] 64 bit is only useful, if you intend to have loads of memory [14:54] AlanBell, been working well for me for a few years [14:54] yeah, but because it was 64bit, it sounded more modern than the old p4s..so you know...thought might be faster [14:54] i don't stress the poor thing though [14:55] AMD supported AMD64 before intel [14:55] clue is in the name [14:55] ;) [14:55] the dual core one seems stable at 72C, a little 230 box has stabilised at 40C without cpu fan [14:56] * hamitron faints at the idea of 72C [14:56] yeah mine isn't dual core [14:59] hamitron: it was 30 something before I took the fan off [15:00] it went 30->72C? [15:00] :-o [15:00] I think it was 37 ish [15:01] I like to keep mine below 50C under full load [15:02] I might swap things about so the 230 is the always on server, that one doesn't have a psu fan [15:02] totally fanless? :D [15:05] it has a case fan, but it can control that [15:05] so I can use fancontrol to set it not to come on unless things get really heated [15:06] and hdparm -S 6 /dev/sda to spindown the hdd after 30 seconds of idle [15:07] and maybe boot from a USB stick [15:07] so the hdd only spins up when it is doing a backup (the machine's primary task) [15:08] I run irssi on it too, so that I know about it if that machine goes down [15:20] if my machine goes down landscape spams me with email [15:20]