[05:06] <ball> Hello iceflatline
[05:07] <ball> iceflatline: How are the fireworks?
[06:25] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[06:49] <dwatkins> hiya
[07:11] <DJones> Morning
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/ubuntu-logo-appears-samsung-galaxy-ii-ad-why/
[07:48] <hoover> morning all
[08:08] <dwatkins> oh, no more synaptic
[08:36] <bigcalm> Good morning troops
[08:37] <oimon> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Vsftpd-backdoor-discovered-in-source-code-update-1272310.html
[08:37] <oimon> just saw this story :-\
[08:45] <popey> do people install a public facing ftp server using a tarball from upstream source?
[08:48] <BigRedS> people do do some dumb things when given an internet-facing server :(
[08:48] <oimon> popey: not usually , unless you need specific compile options
[08:49] <oimon> but how many people check the gpg key?
[08:50] <hoover> morning biggie
[08:50] <bigcalm> Hola!
[08:50] <popey> oimon: even if I needed specific compile options I would compile the package from my repo
[08:50] <popey> and repackage it
[08:50] <popey> but I am not most people I guess
[08:51]  * hoover usuall compiles custom stuff using --prefix so it's easier to switch between versions
[08:51]  * BigRedS usually tries to claim there's no alternative to whatever apt-get pulls in :)
[08:53] <popey> heh
[08:53] <popey> that too
[08:59] <gord> people download the wordpress .zip file all the time
[09:01] <oimon> wasn't there a package recently that had been compromised for ages before anyone noticed?
[09:01] <oimon> by package, i mean application source
[09:03] <hoover> hehe
[09:03] <hoover> I'm guilty of blindly updating wp over the web, too
[09:05]  * bigcalm nods
[09:05]  * bigcalm backs up 1st though and keeps everything in svn
[09:06] <oimon> good boy
[09:06] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[09:07] <oimon> gives Myrtti a coffee
[09:07]  * bigcalm has coffee!
[09:11] <xapel> I have set up gmail in evolution and set it to automatically retrieve images. Now it hangs on an image that it cannot retrieve. Is there a workaround for this perhaps?
[09:13] <dogmatic69> if i am on some path in terminal, how can i open that quickly in nautilus
[09:13] <oimon> nautilus `pwd`
[09:13] <dogmatic69> nice
[09:13] <dogmatic69> thanks
[09:14] <oimon> my pleasure
[09:14] <daubers> Morning
[09:14] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:17] <hoover> moning brobostigon, daubers
[09:17] <brobostigon> morning hoover
[09:19]  * daubers does mundane data entry
[09:22] <hoover> or even quicker: nautilus .
[09:22] <hoover> (note the "." ;-)
[09:40] <daubers> Hmm... bit unfortunate the best sqlite editor I found is a firefox addon
[09:43] <bigcalm> It's irritating that the best mysql editor is not open. SQLyog works well under wine though :)
[09:46] <JGJones> There should be an extension or whatever for browsers that can take a GPG key that's listed from where you download and check it with the downloaded file automatically.
[09:47] <oimon> +1
[09:47] <JGJones> Since most people don't bother doing this, this would make it easier. It's an idea for any coder to do (I can't code a thing apart from 10 PRINT "Hello world" 20 GOTO 10 ;-))
[09:47] <BigRedS> I've long wondered why browsers ignore the md5s file, too
[09:51] <bigcalm> Talking of WP, 3.2 is out and pestering me to upgrade
[09:53] <hoover> thanks for the note biggie ;-)
[09:54] <hoover> requires php 5.2.x though
[09:55] <hoover> need to get those jasonlitka reps on my centos server I guess
[09:56] <oimon> hoover: tried the http://iuscommunity.org/ repo?
[09:56] <hoover> oimon: I generally use jasonlitka when I need a newer php version on centos
[09:56] <hoover> but thanks for the link oimon
[09:56] <oimon> it is the rackspace community repo, so quite trustworthy
[10:05] <oimon> popey: saw your tweet, shocked that you didn't install http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ for the 8yr old instead
[10:08] <popey> heh
[10:10] <oimon> latest version of hotot moves all RTs to another panel...interesting
[10:16] <oimon>  they introduced a "content firewall" to filter my timeline wooo!
[10:21] <bigcalm> In an effort to be productive today, atempting not to look at twitter until lunch time.
[10:27] <oimon> just saved £1000 by asking dell to remove windows tax on 19 PCs :-\
[10:28] <AlanBell> well done oimon!
[10:28] <oimon> thats worth another 2 PCs :D
[10:29] <oimon> thats even after selection the cheapest win7 option too
[10:29] <AlanBell> oimon: got documents and a blog to put it on?
[10:30] <oimon> it's a normal service for me, since i have an account manager
[10:30] <oimon> so no hoops to jump through, just ask him to provide a quote without win
[10:31] <oimon> harder for the average joe
[10:31] <oimon> saving per PC 52.51 + VAT
[10:34] <oimon> i may blog about it to remind people though
[10:36] <xapel> anyone know of a remote desktop solution that will work via a mobile broadband connection?
[10:37] <JGJones> to access your own computer remotely? Or to access someone else's computer?
[10:37] <xapel> access someone else's
[10:38] <JGJones> You can always use Teamviewer
[10:38] <xapel> JGJones: Thanx, I'll check it out
[10:40] <xapel> JGJones: There's nothing in the repositories perhaps?
[10:40] <JGJones> no sorry there aren't...
[10:41] <oimon> xapel: which OS is running on the pc?
[10:41] <xapel> oimon: Ubuntu on both client and server
[10:41] <oimon> freenx is a good solution but you will need to punch holes in the firewall
[10:42] <oimon> i believe skype also allows desktop sharing and manages to get around firewall issues
[10:42] <oimon> depends if you want "share my screen" or to open a different session
[10:43] <xapel> the problem with skype is I do not get to control the mouse and keyboard
[10:43] <JGJones> oimon, As I understand it - Skype's desktop sharing is a live video of your desktop
[10:43] <xapel> JGJones: yes, thats correct
[10:44] <xapel> I need to provide software support for my mother in law 400km away
[10:44] <oimon> ssh ?
[10:44] <JGJones> SSH is one option
[10:44] <xapel> I converted her from Windows to Ubuntu
[10:45] <oimon> freenx also works over ssh connections and is super fast
[10:45] <JGJones> you can use the inbuilt remote desktop on Ubuntu - it's based on VNC and so will be crappy on slow connections, but it's there.
[10:45] <xapel> oimon, JGJones: ssh? tell me more. Can I see her screen or is it only commandline
[10:46] <popey> i use vnc over ssh
[10:46] <popey> i have opened port 22 _only_ on her router, and use dynamic dns to get a hostname for her ip
[10:46] <popey> then just do:-
[10:46] <popey> vncviewer -via mumsmachine.dyndns.org localhost
[10:46] <popey> that opens an ssh tunnel and vnc viewer
[10:46] <popey> job done
[10:47] <xapel> popey: it is mobile broadband (like a vodafone dongle) so no routers and port forwarding I'm afraid
[10:47] <brobostigon> mumbuntu :)
[10:47] <AlanBell> using vinagre on her end?
[10:47] <xapel> yes mumbuntu :)
[10:47] <popey> xapel: get her machine to setup a reverse ssh tunnel to your machine when it starts up
[10:47] <popey> then you can get in from your machine
[10:47] <JGJones> xapel, I'm guessing your mum can't open ports etc on her router? :)
[10:48] <JGJones> You need something to access her machine NOW do you?
[10:48] <JGJones> and then you can implement the solutions like Popey said
[10:48] <popey> you could cron a job to check if the tunnel is up, and if not, start it
[10:49] <popey> or use my super magic vnc app which is currently in development :D
[10:49] <xapel> JGJones: No, she does not have a router. She has a USB vodafone dongle. And even if she had a router, there is no way I would even attempt to talk her through that process over the phone.
[10:50] <xapel> I do not need it right now, but I'm sure I will need it at some point
[10:50] <JGJones> ah...ok...go with what popey said - I do the same thing too :)
[10:50] <brobostigon> yep, tried and tested mumbuntu solution, :)
[10:50] <JGJones> for my Dadbuntu :)
[10:51]  * popey is writing a remote control app for ubuntu for exactly this situation
[10:51] <oimon> somebody should do a respin of the custom mumbuntu setup :P
[10:51] <JGJones> popey, I'll be interested to test it :)
[10:52] <xapel> popey, How do I set up the reverse ssh tunnel form her machine? Or are you saying your rc app in development will take care of this automatically?
[10:53] <popey> yes
[10:53] <popey> the person presses a button, you press a button, all just works
[10:53] <popey> works via proxies too
[10:54] <xapel> popey...so you are a remote desktop ninja master!
[10:56] <xapel> popey, where and when can I get it? I'll be willing to pay a nominal fee for it as well :)
[11:17] <oimon> grrrr everytime somebody else gets my password wrong too many times on my bank website, i have to setup all my security questions all over again
[11:21] <hamitron> :/
[11:22] <oimon> no punctuation allowed in my bank password :-\
[11:23] <penguin42> oimon: Why what did you try?
[11:23] <hamitron> oimon: "We regret we can not provide you with your money right now....... muahahahaha"
[11:23] <oimon> penguin42: they state on the password page that only letters and numbers allowed in my incredibly secure bank password
[11:23] <oimon> and they meant it...i tried a secure passwd
[11:25] <penguin42> any recommendations on CPU funs - I don't overclock but the standard issue i7-860 fan isn't coping when all four cores are fully loaded
[11:25] <penguin42> funs? fans!
[11:26] <AlanBell> I was thinking of shutting down the server I use for IRC to clean the fans
[11:28] <AlanBell> or I could try taking it apart with it still on
[11:28] <directhex> penguin42, it's probably not the cpu fan that's the problem - usually it's the case fans.
[11:29] <penguin42> directhex: Hmm that's possible - I've got a 12cm but slow case fan - nice and quiet and I was trying to keep it that way
[11:29] <gord> AlanBell, i think we all know that its more fun to take things apart whilst they are still on
[11:29] <directhex> penguin42, in or out?
[11:29] <penguin42> directhex: Blowing out
[11:30] <penguin42> directhex: There isn't anything much else in the machine - a single 7200RPM 1T drive which is cool enough and a single low end Radeon (passively cooled)
[11:30] <directhex> penguin42, yeah, that's what i expected. it's mounted in the dead area directly above the motherboard read panel connectors, if you lay the case with mobo horizontal?
[11:30] <directhex> *rear
[11:31] <penguin42> directhex: No, it's a midi case so the big fan is pretty much in line with the CPU fan
[11:31] <AlanBell> gord: I haven't gone offline yet, so I think it is working
[11:31] <hamitron> the i7 is 95W TDP?
[11:31] <penguin42> hamitron: Yeh
[11:31] <directhex> penguin42, any grilles on the front? or is it all plastic?
[11:32] <hamitron> some hot stuff
[11:32] <hamitron> :)
[11:32] <directhex> hamitron, i remember 130W desktop CPUs
[11:32] <hamitron> directhex: yeh :(
[11:32] <penguin42> directhex: Other than the drive bays (all plastic) it's a fine metal mesh - so quiet a lot of piercing and there is a fewcm^2 piereced panel on the side above the CPU fan
[11:33] <penguin42> directhex: CPU idles at about 35c but a big make -j can take it upto 90
[11:33] <hamitron> penguin42: how hot it getting?
[11:33] <hamitron> oh, nvm
[11:33] <hamitron> :D
[11:33] <AlanBell> mission acomplished :)
[11:33] <directhex> penguin42, any mounts for a front fan?
[11:33] <hamitron> you read my question before I typed it :/
[11:34] <penguin42> directhex: Not sure, but there is certainly room - but I was hoping to keep it quiet
[11:34] <directhex> penguin42, then don't buy noisy fans!
[11:34] <penguin42> directhex: Hehe yes - well that is why I used the big but slow 12cm on the back
[11:35] <hamitron> how is the i7 getting that hot when it is 95W, my pentium d was only 95W and never got near that
[11:35] <hamitron> :/
[11:35]  * penguin42 wonders if the problem is actually the mesh on the side - does it mean the air isn't actually flowing over the CPU?
[11:35] <directhex> penguin42, you don't have any "flow" at all, without an intake.
[11:36] <penguin42> directhex: Well as I say the front is all mesh
[11:36] <directhex> penguin42, you're going to have pockets of hot air as-is. just having mesh won't keep things cool
[11:36] <hamitron> if there is mesh near the rear extracting fan, you can be sure the air will take the easiest route
[11:36] <hamitron> ;)
[11:37] <directhex> penguin42, a case which is totally sealed save for an intake and an outtake will run cooler than a case made of chickenwire :p
[11:37] <gord> i have a radiator connected to my water cooling thing, so it means i actually blow air in to my case as i need to get air moving over the radiator, its crazy
[11:38] <hamitron> I read a really good report on cooling, can't find it atm :/
[11:38] <penguin42> hamitron: Well that's what I'm wondering about the side opening
[11:38] <hamitron> it was about 60 pages long though
[11:41] <penguin42> is going to ask a different question
[11:41] <penguin42> any advice on which replacement CPU fan to buy
[11:42]  * hamitron just uses stock
[11:42] <hamitron> ;)
[11:43] <hamitron> there are some cheap complete sealed water cooling kits that look good value
[11:43] <hamitron> 50 quid iirc
[11:43]  * penguin42 wonders why on a quad core machine, 4 md5sum /dev/zero's runs cooler than 8
[11:44] <penguin42> ok, so I have HT but hmm
[11:45] <hamitron> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/234187
[11:45] <hamitron> bit overkill
[11:45] <hamitron> ;/
[11:46] <penguin42> yeh that's a bit pricey
[11:47] <penguin42> hamitron: I was wondering about something like http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Be+Quiet%21+Dark+Rock+Advanced+CPU+Cooler+?productId=43590
[11:48] <hamitron> it has to be better for sure
[11:48] <hamitron> :)
[11:48]  * penguin42 is a bit worried about it fitting
[11:48] <hamitron> yeh :/
[11:48] <hamitron> I'd just get more case fans tbh
[11:48] <hamitron> but I have no case fans
[11:48] <hamitron> \o/
[11:48] <daubers> penguin42: Just get a couple of dozen CO2 fire extinguishers. That'll keep the whole lot nice and cold for a little while
[11:49] <penguin42> daubers: True, they're a bit noisy when they discharge
[11:49] <daubers> penguin42: Fun though
[11:49] <penguin42> true
[11:49] <penguin42> make -j   <psssszzzzzzzz>
[11:50] <daubers> I hear liquid freon is also good in those situations
[11:51] <MattJ> CO2 fire extinguishers linked up to a smoke detector
[11:51] <hamitron> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/264011
[11:51] <MattJ> so every time it catches fire, it puts it out
[11:51] <hamitron> I swear there was a cheaper one
[11:51] <daubers> and sends you an xmpp message?
[11:51] <MattJ> No, it would use pubsub of course
[11:51] <daubers> heh
[11:52] <penguin42> so what are the gotchas in whether it fits or not? (assuming it's for the right socket type) - case height? Whether it snags on the DIMMs ?
[11:52] <hamitron> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-005-AN&groupid=962&catid=1532&subcat=
[11:52] <hamitron> getting there
[11:52] <hamitron> ;)
[11:52] <daubers> penguin42: Making sure any cables near it are clear of the fan
[11:53] <penguin42> nod
[11:54]  * hoover 's all confused... dropbox vs. sparkleshare vs. spideroak vs...
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu One
[11:54] <hoover> I've been listening to too many podcasts lately
[11:55] <hoover> yeah, I've started using UO for more sensitive stuff
[11:55] <oimon> don't forget syncany
[11:55] <hoover> sparkleshare looks nice, too esp. the ability to use your own storage
[11:56] <hoover> oimon: I've tried syncany, but it still looks early days
[11:56] <directhex> http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13091/ex-vap-20/Cooler_Express_2011_Design_Super_Evaporator_CPU_GPU_Cooling_Unit_-_Sockets_AM2_AM3_LGA_1156_LGA1366_CE-48-D-1C-1G.html?tl=g49
[11:57] <penguin42> heck
[11:59] <hamitron> with all these high temps people keep saying, are the stock coolers maybe not flat or something?
[11:59] <hamitron> although, I suspect some of these TDP figures are skewed somehow
[12:00] <hamitron> ;/
[12:01] <hamitron> my i3 is sat idle at 20 C
[12:01] <hamitron> :)
[12:02] <AlanBell> my i3 laptop is idling at 58C, an atom desktop is at 38 C
[12:02] <hamitron> :-o
[12:02] <ali1234> 20 C
[12:02] <ali1234> no
[12:02] <hamitron> it is summer AlanBell, turn the heating down
[12:03] <hamitron> ;)
[12:03] <AlanBell> 20C is lower than ambiant right now!
[12:03] <hamitron> ali1234: I don't believe 20C either
[12:03] <hamitron> ;)
[12:03] <hamitron> but my i3 says 20 C, and the core2 says 18 C
[12:03] <ahayzen1> My GPU is sitting at 68 C idle :S
[12:03] <penguin42> it would be nice to find the spec for the original Intel fan in terms of cooling capacity
[12:03] <AlanBell> I would perhaps believe 20C if it was off
[12:04] <hamitron> AlanBell: it is either off, or I do no work? ;)
[12:05] <hamitron> my cheap room thermonitor says 26 C
[12:05] <hamitron> so dunno how comps work out the temps
[12:05] <ali1234> in your case they don't
[12:05] <ali1234> they just make up a random and obviously wrong number
[12:05] <hamitron> ali1234: yeh
[12:05] <hamitron> :/
[12:06] <hamitron> tbh, the heatsink actually feels cold to touch
[12:06] <hamitron> haha
[12:06] <hamitron> so dunno
[12:06] <AlanBell> in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics
[12:08] <hamitron> the fan on the core2 duo is actually 0 rpm
[12:08] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/638383/ the results from our i7 in the cloud
[12:08] <hamitron> and feels fine to touch
[12:08] <hamitron> spins up at 20 C
[12:08] <popey> howd you get that AlanBell ?
[12:08] <AlanBell> sensors
[12:08] <popey> ah
[12:09] <AlanBell> had to install lmsensors and run sensors-detect and some other stuff it told me to run to load the kernel module
[12:09] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/638384/
[12:09] <popey> my desktop
[12:09] <hamitron> what is temp1,2,3?
[12:10] <AlanBell> hamitron: I have no clue
[12:10] <jpds> sudo apt-get install sysstat; <configure sysstat in /etc/default/sysstat>; sar -m TEMP
[12:11] <AlanBell> I want a silent ARM server
[12:12] <AlanBell> or desktop, same thing
[12:12] <gord> me too! although my silent atom is okay
[12:12] <hamitron> I got netgear readynas with a Sparq cpu :)
[12:12] <penguin42> AlanBell: The Marvell based ones aren't bad for that - the challenge is finding stuff with good storage interfaces and network interfaces
[12:12]  * hamitron likes to be different, ARM is getting popular ;/
[12:13] <hamitron> I wish I had a x86 now though
[12:14] <hamitron> be nice to be able to run normal things
[12:15] <AlanBell> I am not running anything on the server that wouldn't run on ARM
[12:15]  * BigRedS pats his ppc dns server fondly
[12:15] <BigRedS> well, I would if I was in the same room as it
[12:17] <hamitron> tbh, got serious data overload, and no decent way to back it up
[12:17] <hamitron> :/
[12:17] <hamitron> that is what scares me now
[12:18] <hamitron> if some of my drives blew, I wouldn't know what would be lost
[12:18] <oimon> that's the cost of being different ..
[12:18] <hamitron> and when I came to need something off it, I'd be searching everywhere and wasting time
[12:18] <hamitron> haha
[12:18] <hamitron> no, more the cost of hoarding
[12:18] <hamitron> :)
[12:19] <gord> hamitron, switch to a RAID?
[12:19] <hamitron> that costs
[12:19] <hamitron> and RAID is not really a good backup
[12:20] <gord> its not a backup at all, its failure prevention
[12:20] <hamitron> I want something I can sync a backup, then physically remove
[12:20] <hamitron> aye
[12:21] <hamitron> I use multiple hdd and hotswap now
[12:21] <hamitron> but just a pain
[12:21] <gord> all backup stuff is a pain
[12:22] <hamitron> yhe :/
[12:22] <hamitron> tempted with bluray
[12:22] <gord> i backup the few things i actually need to, encryption keys and the like. put lots of stuff in the cloud and have a "i don't actually care if i lose this file" approach to the majority of stuff
[12:23] <gord> sure maybe i'll lose a few seasons of fraiser to a data loss, but i'll go grab the dvd's and re-rip them. i got the data from somewhere before and i'll be able to get it back again
[12:23] <hamitron> dvd is not a worry, yeh
[12:23] <hamitron> but something like music, takes longer to rip
[12:23] <BigRedS> yeah, I've a bunch of stuff on github and pretty much everything else exists somewhere else and I'll find it if I both lose it *and* notice it's gone
[12:24] <hamitron> I wouldn't lose the actual music
[12:24] <hamitron> just the many years of ripping it
[12:24] <gord> all my music is in the cloud
[12:25] <oimon> these look cute http://www.synology.com/products/spec.php?product_name=DS411slim&lang=enu#p_submenu
[12:25] <gord> and because its ubuntu one, on a bunch of different computers too
[12:25] <hamitron> it would take me 200 days to upload my music
[12:26] <hamitron> :/
[12:26] <oimon> visit a friend at a uni with a 1 gb uplink :)
[12:26] <hamitron> yeh :)
[12:26] <hamitron> does it cost much?
[12:26] <hamitron> for the storage
[12:27] <popey> i use spideroak and pay nothing
[12:27] <popey> for 31GB
[12:28] <hamitron> I'll need about 2Tb
[12:28]  * oimon chokes on his orange juice
[12:29] <oimon> hamitron: do you work ?
[12:29] <hamitron> yeh, work from home
[12:29] <hamitron> :)
[12:29] <hamitron> on holiday this week \o/
[12:29] <oimon> no office to speak of?
[12:29] <oimon> no other office i mean
[12:30] <hamitron> no
[12:30] <Myrtti> ho-hum
[12:30] <hamitron> it would be a needless extra cost
[12:30] <davmor2> afternoon all
[12:31] <hamitron> I think I may just buy some more hdd
[12:31] <JGJones> ha. Given a laptop that's "not working" - window vista with 1GB free space left, but a 2nd partition with 60GB free space.
[12:32] <JGJones> and not used.
[12:32] <hamitron> nice :)
[12:37] <directhex> JGJones, merge them!
[12:38] <hamitron> or low level format that beast off it
[12:38] <hamitron> ;/
[12:40] <JGJones> directhex, aye I'm doing that...making it 1 partition..I'm just making a backup first.
[12:42] <JGJones> quick recommendation - online store to purchase flash memory for next day delivery?
[12:43] <oimon> crucial?
[12:44] <JGJones> I went there first...but they only do SSD drives
[12:44] <JGJones> after cards - ie SD cards
[12:44] <oimon> insight.com? dabs? all good sellers
[12:47] <hoover> oimon: just testing syncany, it fails to create the repo over sftp (centos server), any ideas?
[12:47] <hoover> the exception isn't very helpful, either
[12:48] <oimon> nope, sorry, haven't actually used it
[12:50] <hoover> I see
[12:50] <hoover> it creates files named syncany<something> on the server, so login seems to work
[13:07] <hoover> oimon: got it to work
[13:07] <oimon> \o/
[13:11] <hoover> looks like the bug that bit me has already been reported on lp
[13:41] <Azelphur> using google calendar, can you "invite" people to places, and accept/reject that invite?
[13:41] <gord> accept/reject the invite for them?
[13:42] <Azelphur> no, just send an invite
[13:43] <Azelphur> fed up with world of warcraft being crappy and not letting me export the in game calendar so going to do some hackery :p
[13:45] <gord> or right, yes sure, i mean, you just set up a meeting/event thing and invite people
[13:46] <gord> Location: Azeroth might be the nerdiest thing i ever heard of though
[13:46] <Azelphur> :D
[13:47] <Azelphur> guild raids are awesome though, we all get on mumble and have a great laugh :P
[13:49] <Azelphur> yep, managed to trick gcal into inviting myself and giving me the option \o/
[13:50] <Azelphur> now to find a google calendar python lib, scrape the wow website, and winning
[14:08] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Out in the midday sun - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/07/05/out-in-the-midday-sun/
[14:16] <MattJ> Heh
[14:46] <oimon> anyone remember much about old processors? i.e. how the AMD sempron 3400+ compares to P4 3.0ghz
[14:48] <hamitron> oimon: they actually re-branded some things a few times
[14:48] <oimon> the sempron machines, although newer by around 1yr , seem woefully slow
[14:48] <gord> oimon, check tomshardware for benchmarks maybe?
[14:48]  * tugrik giggles at the use of "old" and carries on working
[14:49] <hamitron> I'd favour the P4 3ghz over the sempron 3400
[14:49] <oimon> seems to be true
[14:49] <oimon> have some spare machines at work and figuring which one to take home :)
[14:50] <hamitron> :D
[14:50] <oimon> although i have a p4 3.2ghz at home already , but it doesn't have pci-express
[14:50] <hamitron> take all of them? ;)
[14:50] <oimon> hamitron: i'm married..not good idea anymore
[14:50] <hamitron> haha
[14:51] <oimon> the AMD ones sound fast cos they are 64 bit but they seem completely lame
[14:51] <hamitron> my P4 has pci-e :(
[14:51] <hamitron> I really want an older P4 system with AGP
[14:51] <oimon> trying to figure out if pci-e 1x is faster than agp 4x
[14:51] <oimon> hamitron: where are you?
[14:52] <hamitron> East Yorkshire, so miles away
[14:52] <oimon> i have loads of p4 boxes to get rid of :P
[14:52] <oimon> oh
[14:54] <AlanBell> I am now running my little atom server fanless to see what will happen
[14:54] <hamitron> 64 bit is only useful, if you intend to have loads of memory
[14:54] <gord> AlanBell, been working well for me for a few years
[14:54] <oimon> yeah, but because it was 64bit, it sounded more modern than the old p4s..so you know...thought might be faster
[14:54] <gord> i don't stress the poor thing though
[14:55] <hamitron> AMD supported AMD64 before intel
[14:55] <hamitron> clue is in the name
[14:55] <hamitron> ;)
[14:55] <AlanBell> the dual core one seems stable at 72C, a little 230 box has stabilised at 40C without cpu fan
[14:56]  * hamitron faints at the idea of 72C
[14:56] <gord> yeah mine isn't dual core
[14:59] <AlanBell> hamitron: it was 30 something before I took the fan off
[15:00] <hamitron> it went 30->72C?
[15:00] <hamitron> :-o
[15:00] <AlanBell> I think it was 37 ish
[15:01] <hamitron> I like to keep mine below 50C under full load
[15:02] <AlanBell> I might swap things about so the 230 is the always on server, that one doesn't have a psu fan
[15:02] <hamitron> totally fanless? :D
[15:05] <AlanBell> it has a case fan, but it can control that
[15:05] <AlanBell> so I can use fancontrol to set it not to come on unless things get really heated
[15:06] <AlanBell> and hdparm -S 6 /dev/sda to spindown the hdd after 30 seconds of idle
[15:07] <AlanBell> and maybe boot from a USB stick
[15:07] <AlanBell> so the hdd only spins up when it is doing a backup (the machine's primary task)
[15:08] <AlanBell> I run irssi on it too, so that I know about it if that machine goes down
[15:20] <gord> if my machine goes down landscape spams me with email
[15:20] <gord> almost always happens when i'm away from home
[15:20] <AlanBell> actually so does mine
[15:20] <shauno> is that not useful?
[15:20] <AlanBell> think I am 18 months into the 6 week free trial now
[15:31] <gord> hehe
[15:51] <davmor2> I treated myself to a DAB radio from asda last night so I could listen to Absolute 80's without having to kill my BB connection  sound quality good and price not too bad either at £26 huzzah
[15:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka 'ow am ya
[15:55] <davmor2> AlanBell: nice post on the keyboard :)
[15:55] <oimon> pricey though
[15:56] <oimon> only a keyboard connoisseur would pay £95 quid for something that can be purchased for £5-10 that can do a fairly decent job
[15:57] <oimon> obligatory xkcd link: http://xkcd.com/915/
[15:57] <AlanBell> this is true
[15:59]  * oimon tries pressing loads of keys at once
[16:00] <davmor2> oimon: why what did the key do to you?
[16:00]  * oimon concludes that his keyboard is OK
[16:01] <gord> i got a dinovo edge keyboard, its wonderful :)
[16:02] <oimon> the speed of a lucid install from usb is incredibly satisfying
[16:09] <oimon> agh here's the rain they promised
[16:09] <AlanBell> I just did an oneiric install from USB
[16:09] <oimon> AlanBell: how was it?
[16:09] <AlanBell> installing to an SD card :)
[16:09] <oimon> just like natty?
[16:10] <AlanBell> went fine and now I can boot silently from the SD card and I set the power management on the spinning disk so it is not working most of the time
[16:11]  * penguin42 returns with an 'Arctic cooling Freezer 13 fan'
[16:13] <AlanBell> need to rsync 200Gb from the current backup machine to the new silent one
[16:16] <sagaci> hi Alan, I think last time I was in here, you were doing some kind of "installation" jam where you used vnc or something for people to connect and comment/file bugs on the beta(?) natty install... I was just wondering what specific application did you use and also, how long you run those sessions for..?
[16:17] <AlanBell> hi sagaci
[16:17] <AlanBell> good question
[16:17] <AlanBell> so I think that was done using KVM
[16:18] <AlanBell> it set up a VNC server pointing at the display of the machien
[16:20] <sagaci> ah ok, do you run those sessions on each milestone?
[16:21] <AlanBell> only done it once, but it is something we could do again fairly easily I think
[16:23] <AlanBell> might be something we could do with a wider audience, not just -uk
[16:23] <AlanBell> and on milestones
[16:24] <AlanBell> Alpha 2 is on Thursday
[16:24] <amartin> Hi everybody. I'm thinking of buying an external blu-ray LG BE12LU30. Does anybody knows if this is going to worke well on ubuntu?
[16:25] <Azelphur> amartin: intending to use it to play movies?
[16:25] <sagaci> yeah, being in an unofficial loco (*-au), just trying to think or incorporate things we can do together online since it's harder for us to physically meet as much as other teams are able to
[16:26] <AlanBell> we don't do that much in person
[16:26] <amartin> Azelphur, this is the second thing, but mostly for buckup my data, movies etc. So I just want to know if it works at all under linux
[16:26] <hamitron> the UK is a *big* place ¬¬
[16:26] <hamitron> ;)
[16:27] <AlanBell> hamitron: not from an -au perspective!
[16:27] <Azelphur> amartin: *shrug* I got no idea beyond that, google the model + ubuntu
[16:27] <Azelphur> see if you find anything
[16:28] <hamitron> AlanBell: I see no evidence AU is large, these "maps" I'm shown maybe are not to scale ;)
[16:28] <sagaci> wouldn't uk fit in tasmania?
[16:29] <hamitron> the rest of the World is so small, I can't see it from here
[16:29] <amartin> Azelphur, I'm doing that for about 2 hours, no luck
[16:31] <amartin> I tried ubuntu + BE12LU30, linux + BE12LU30 etc. and the only thing I have found is that lg says: if it's not working under linux then please call us at...
[16:40] <Azelphur> amartin: if it says that it's a good thing?
[16:40] <Azelphur> that means they support it?
[16:42] <amartin> Azelphur, don't know for sure, it seems that they want to support linux, but cannot say if it's working with the specific model. And ask to call them if it's not working. I don't want to stuck with unusable drive which cost a little bit
[16:43] <Azelphur> you can't really get better assurance than the company supporting Linux
[16:43] <Azelphur> that's about as good as it's gonna get
[16:46] <amartin> Azelphur, I guess so. I have an LG external dvd for about 2 years now and it was working out of the box. I heard that there are some problems with blu-ray under linux and probably windows as well, so don't want to waste my money. But thanks anyway
[16:46] <Azelphur> amartin: if you don't want to be an early adopter, you need to wait xD
[16:47] <shauno> most the problems I've heard of have been hdcp (eg, playback issues).  I've not heard much either way about writing them tho
[16:50] <amartin> shauno, thanks, if I can burn blu-rays with my data then that's all I need ;) I guess I'll give it a go
[16:53] <shauno> I'm not saying it works.  just that most the issues I've heard are concerning playback
[16:58] <amartin> shauno, yeah I know, but since nobody knows that, and there are some indicators that LG works under linux (my external dvd I have bought 2 years ago always works) I think it might be worth to try it. Unless I can buy it, test and sent back if it's not working
[16:59] <shauno> you seem to be right tho, the google results are almost pure trash
[17:01] <davmor2> amartin: I would imagine that you can read and write files to blank dvd/blu-ray on it however I don't think there is an easy way to play blu-ray films on it iirc (that is the general way things are with them so I see no reason that it would be different)
[17:02] <amartin> davmor2, yes that is what my logic says to me
[17:12] <directhex> shauno, aacs, not hdcp
[17:13] <shauno> I assume that's the encryption?
[17:24] <directhex> shauno, yes
[17:35] <Azelphur> is there any way to monitor what ajax queries javascript is making?
[17:50] <AlanBell> Azelphur: firebug, network tab XHR button
[17:50] <Azelphur> indeed, just found it :)
[17:56] <penguin42> hmm this heatsink is rather confusing
[18:00] <penguin42> the orientation of the mounting plate shown seems to mean that the fan would blow upwards in the case rather than across which doesn't match the diagram showing the assembled system - do cpu sockets always face the same direction on i7-8xx systems?
[18:39] <penguin42> phew - works; and 25c cooler when flat out
[18:42] <penguin42> right, now I can eat
[19:12] <suprengr> hiyaz all.  tonight's the night with *no* live u-uk podcast, right?
[19:13] <suprengr> ...no WC... :(   ?
[20:36] <JGJones> http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/05/is-the-appletv-2-the-future-of-low-cpu-use-servers-desktops/ - I really want an ARM server for at home. AppleTV suck up just 6W roughly so if one could slap linux onto that, it's gonna be fantastic
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: there's guruplug
[20:37] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14030720 want
[20:38] <penguin42> I'm sure there was one of the free designs that did that a couple of years ago
[20:40] <AlanBell> it is a good material to work with, low melting point
[20:43] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, ooh look interesting...I'm after a replacement home server for my old old desktop
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: all I use mine for is remote disk/upnp server, so I got a Synology NAS
[20:49] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, where did you buy yourself from? was it perhaps this? http://www.newit.co.uk/ (seem that this is the only uk distrubutor I could find?)
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: I got it in the Netherlands, as I live there ;)
[20:50] <JGJones> ah :)
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: look for "diskstation"
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> ebuyer has them
[20:51] <JGJones> Hmm...quite a lot of plug computers now - dreamplug and so on...
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> I have the 210j, but 211 is the current model (2-disk versoin)
[20:51] <penguin42> JGJones: They're just newer generations of each other
[20:52] <JGJones> I'm just liking the idea of low power....
[20:52] <JGJones> first I'll have to decide on what model to get :)
[20:54] <JGJones> ha they even now come with an optional 7" touchscreen :)
[21:08] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Free Official Ubuntu Book For Approved LoCo Teams - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/05/free-official-ubuntu-book-for-approved-loco-teams/
[21:10] <AlanBell> I guess we should do that
[21:10] <AlanBell> popey: podcast competition prize?
[21:12] <popey> heh, sure
[21:17] <AlanBell> sent
[21:18] <s-fox> Hello.
[21:19] <AlanBell> hi s-fox, and congratulations on the forum council
[21:20] <s-fox> Hello AlanBell,  thank you.  It is nice to be able to give back some more to those i owe so much.
[21:20] <s-fox> How are you AlanBell?
[21:21] <AlanBell> not so bad
[21:28] <StevenR> popey: those votes.. for "Ubuntu Membership"... what does that mean?
[21:29] <popey> !membership
[21:29] <popey> read that
[21:31] <StevenR> thanks
[22:23] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:24] <s-fox> Hooray, back
[23:06] <fr0stedfm> gn :)
[23:27] <dogmatic69_> from php, how do i spit out things in color in terminal?
[23:27] <s-fox> hmm, wouldn't that be a terminal setting?
[23:28] <s-fox> only output in colour i know of for php is outputting php code in html format for insertion into a webpage.
[23:29] <s-fox> nothing for direct terminal output in colour. :/
[23:30] <dogmatic69_> well then how do you do 'echo foo' and make foo red?
[23:32] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: tput setf 4
[23:33]  * penguin42 isn't too sure how the numbering is defined
[23:33] <penguin42> oh php
[23:33] <penguin42> dunno php
[23:34] <dogmatic69_> ...
[23:35] <dogmatic69_> echo chr(27) . '[1;31mfoo' .chr(27) . "[0m";
[23:35] <dogmatic69_> that in php is red foo
[23:35] <dogmatic69_> in terminal...
[23:35] <dogmatic69_> :)
[23:45] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Right that'll be sending the same codes you get with tput except tput looks it up to make sure it uses the right code for the terminal - except most use the same code
[23:45] <dogmatic69_> ye, just looking for the basics
[23:51] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: http://i.min.us/ib470a.png
[23:51] <penguin42> yep
[23:51] <dogmatic69_> nvm the prompt, that is just some .bashrc stuff
[23:51] <dogmatic69_> just making reports pretty :P
[23:53] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Be careful, they may make them harder to grep or process later; generally if you can detect if you are going to a terminal and only use it then
[23:54] <dogmatic69_> ah ok
[23:55] <dogmatic69_> wont be greping this, but will add a note about it
[23:55] <dogmatic69_> gonna make a method that can convert '<blue>some text</blue>' into the bash color thing. should be easy i think, for something basic
[23:56] <dogmatic69_> when i get that ill add some sort of detection for when its not going to terminal