[11:32] <Wolfger> Morning
[11:34] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:35] <snap-l> Looks like now I'm getting followed by people on G+ that I have NFC who they are.
[11:53] <Wolfger> I have been followed by only one person who I have NFC about. I accepted him based on mutual circled people, he seems to be Linux oriented.
[11:54] <Wolfger> I have been followed by others i have VLFC about, but I at least recognize the names as people from Twitter/Identica/FB...
[11:55] <Wolfger> also, snap-l, I would point out that you did a Lococast about G+? So yeah... I would expect you get a few NFC's. You're a pseudo rock star. ;-)
[12:10] <snap-l> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-meta/1.232
[12:10] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yeah, I'm a rock star alright
[12:11] <snap-l> When I go to the sub shop and people I don't know ask for my autograph, then I'm a rock star. ;)
[12:11] <snap-l> Apparently Evolution is being replaced by Thunderbird.
[12:12]  * snap-l checks it out
[12:12] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, getting a lot of those lately myself
[12:12] <rick_h_> and from other countries
[12:12] <rick_h_> making for an interesting 'incoming' feed
[12:15] <greg-g> I'm here at work and using my laptop thanks to rick_h_  :)
[12:15] <rick_h_> greg-g: awesome, glad it worked out
[12:15] <rick_h_> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/WVOYyFzG0HiRBqRiAIxw/
[12:15] <rick_h_> so that came in my email today :/
[12:17] <greg-g> heh, better go protect your IP in china domain names
[12:17] <rick_h_> I know, who knew our little MI woodworking group was so popular
[12:23] <greg-g> rick_h_: with offlineimap/mutt and your google hosted domain, do you download the "All Mail" folder or not?
[12:23] <rick_h_> no, I don't think so
[12:24] <rick_h_> folderfilter = lambda foldername: foldername not in ['[Gmail]/All Mail', '[Gmail]/Spam', '[Gmail]/Important']
[12:25] <greg-g> so you "archive" your inbox messages to a separate archive folder?
[12:25] <rick_h_> right
[12:25]  * greg-g nods
[12:25] <rick_h_> I have a folder Archive and use that with my A command in mutt
[12:25] <greg-g> me too, but I was wondering if I needed to anymore.
[12:26] <rick_h_> Yea, I don't recall the original deal with that
[12:26] <greg-g> I am experiencing an offlineimap issue that might make me redownload everything :/
[12:26] <rick_h_> ouch
[12:35] <greg-g> hmm, I might be able to fix it by just deleting the .offlineimap/Account-XXX folder (associated ones in there)
[12:35] <greg-g> this is what happens when you let your harddrive run out of space and offlineimap tries to run, kids
[12:37] <rick_h_> dbl ouch
[12:39] <greg-g> yeah, I need to figure out my photo storing method, can't keep them all, and videos, on the laptop harddrive anymore
[12:39] <brousch> geez
[12:39] <brousch> they make 1TB laptop drives now
[12:40] <snap-l> So, anyone want to take bets on what application will get cut in O+1?
[12:40] <rick_h_> linux?
[12:40] <rick_h_> :P
[12:40] <rick_h_> brousch: not that perform like an SSD
[12:40] <brousch> i'm using a 500GB hybrid ssd/hd
[12:40] <brousch> i'm very happy with it
[12:57] <Wolfger> Man, I want I larger version of this to use as my wallpaper... http://static.arstechnica.net/assets/2011/06/vinyl-pirate-figure-intro-thumb-640xauto-23086.jpg
[13:03] <snap-l> Heh
[13:04] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, mail doesn't handle curvebals very well
[14:31] <rick_h_> hah, lovely work email on "cell phone ettiquette"
[14:32] <rick_h_> guess people can't find the vibrate button on their phones
[14:34] <snap-l> Shuld get an iPhone. It's a switch. ;)
[14:34] <rick_h_> doh! damn horrible UX with those buttons
[14:34]  * snap-l got some new CC music in the mail today.
[14:34] <rick_h_> if only someone had thought to do the work to make them switches
[14:34] <rick_h_> ooh, nice
[14:35] <snap-l> http://cryogen.darkmillenniumrecords.com/
[14:37] <snap-l> Problem will be waiting an episode to unleash this.
[14:37] <rick_h_> lol
[14:37] <snap-l> Since 25 is the Big 4 of CC metal
[14:38] <rick_h_> well it's a bit out of my norm /me hides his green day in cloud player he's currently listening to
[14:38] <snap-l> No worries.
[14:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: Have you heard Amity in Fame?
[14:38] <rick_h_> but very cool that there's this wealth of CC stuff I never knew
[14:38] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm having fun with finding this stuff.
[14:39] <rick_h_> don't think I've heard this before
[14:39] <rick_h_> funny that they have this roomba ad on the front page lol
[14:39] <snap-l> http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/28245
[14:39] <greg-g> hmmm, hybrid ssd/platter laptop drive, just maybe
[14:40] <snap-l> Heh, and that's why I have adblock installed
[14:40] <rick_h_> greg-g: how big is your current SSD?
[14:40] <greg-g> 140
[14:40] <rick_h_> wow, and all filled eh
[14:40] <snap-l> The only thing that worries me about SSD / platter is what happens during a power failure, and what happens when the SSD hits max write cycle.
[14:40] <greg-g> yeah, way too much video
[14:41] <snap-l> s/video/pron/
[14:41] <snap-l> FTFY.
[14:41] <greg-g> ty
[14:41] <snap-l> yw
[14:41] <rick_h_> gotcha, yea I don't have much of that and keep my music cloud now
[14:41] <rick_h_> move those two and suddently I can live in < 60gb
[14:41] <greg-g> rick_h_: personal cloud or ?? for music?
[14:41] <rick_h_> the amazon stuff
[14:41] <greg-g> ah, yeah
[14:42] <snap-l> I can't live with cloud music
[14:42] <rick_h_> since I get my mp3s there anyway, easy to hit buy and keep it cloud
[14:42] <snap-l> a) FLAC is too big for cloud
[14:42] <snap-l> b) See a)
[14:42] <rick_h_> lol
[14:43] <rick_h_> just need a player to read your s3 repo and buffer things for you nicely
[14:43] <snap-l> I love the idea of cloud-storage, but it's not practical for me outside of U1
[14:43] <greg-g> you could run Zeya on a micro instance and have it read your S3 storage
[14:43] <rick_h_> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/isimpledesign-amazon-s3-music-player-plugin/ close
[14:44] <snap-l> Lamedrop to convert
[14:44] <snap-l> hells no.
[14:44] <rick_h_> I said close...as in does the reading and such
[14:44] <rick_h_> just wrong format
[14:45] <rick_h_> upload would be free now
[14:45] <rick_h_> $8.4/mo for storing 660gb of music
[14:46] <rick_h_> and if you streamed it all out 3x a month another $13 in data transfer
[14:46] <snap-l> Or I could buy a HD for that kind of money. ;)
[14:46] <rick_h_> never had s3 disappear on me :P
[14:47] <snap-l> Truth
[14:49] <greg-g> well, there was that one time when the whole social web stopped working because of amazon's downtime
[14:50] <rick_h_> but s3 never went down or away
[14:50] <snap-l> Considering the average file on my music storage is 30MB, that might be fun.
[14:50] <greg-g> rick_h_: oh right, it was only compute?
[14:50] <snap-l> Though that seems a bit high. Probably more like 20MB
[14:50] <rick_h_> greg-g: right, and end of the day one DC
[14:50] <rick_h_> admittingly, it had multiple parts they said would never go down together
[14:50] <rick_h_> but it was still one DC went down
[14:50]  * greg-g nods
[14:51] <Wolfger> I need a rich benefactor.... http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=176029&sku=S203-101201&SRCCODE=WEM2730SS&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM2730-_-tigeremail2730
[14:51] <rick_h_> says the man with one server running bookie in one DC and all kinds of SPOF :)
[14:52] <snap-l> Wolfger: You don't need a tablet
[14:52] <Wolfger> I didn't say I did.
[14:52] <snap-l> This is not the droid you're looking for
[14:52] <snap-l> You can go about your business.
[14:52] <Wolfger> I said I needed a rich benefactor. I *want* the Galaxy Tab
[14:52] <Wolfger> it's sexy
[14:53] <snap-l> What you need is a nice, wholesome Nintendo 3DS.
[14:53] <snap-l> No web browser to distract your game playing
[14:53] <rick_h_> lol
[14:53] <snap-l> (Actually, I think  the 3DS has opera)
[14:53] <snap-l> so, FWIW.
[14:54] <rick_h_> man my boss is going to love me "I can haz memcached pls? kthx"
[14:54] <rick_h_> I'm just full of new stuff I want
[14:55] <snap-l> heh
[14:56] <snap-l> Memcached isn't that out there for the wants / needs
[14:56] <rick_h_> we don't currently have a memcache server
[14:56] <rick_h_> so I'm asking for hardware to run node, postgres, memcache, couchdb
[14:56] <rick_h_> figure wth, I'll do it on the db for now and wait for him to get sick of me hammering on it :)
[14:57] <Wolfger> Game playing? Social networking. The games I like won't play on netbook/tablet devices (yet) :-p
[14:58] <Wolfger> Also, for e-books and for pron
[15:27] <snap-l> Anyone know of any good utilities to unf*** a Windows XP machine?
[15:27] <snap-l> ie: any bootable Linux distros that can do virusscan?
[15:38] <Wolfger> snap-l: Knoppix
[15:40] <snap-l> Does it have virusscanning built-in?
[15:41] <Wolfger> I recall that it did (years ago).
[15:42] <Blazeix> I've used systemrescuecd before
[15:42] <Wolfger> http://njlinux.blogspot.com/2008/01/virus-scan-windows-using-linux-live-cd.html
[15:42] <Blazeix> it has clamAV
[15:42] <Wolfger> so apparently requires one install from command line
[15:44] <rick_h_> http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/07/05/wingardium-leviosa-this-rotocopter-is-controlled-by-the-kinect/
[15:44] <Wolfger> also: http://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2004/06/scanning_for_viruses_with_knop.html
[15:45] <rick_h_> the end of that video is great ^^
[15:45] <Wolfger> Kinect-controlled copter? Sounds awesome.
[15:46] <Wolfger> will need to watch the video later
[15:49] <jjesse> that does sound awesome
[15:49] <jjesse> i love my kinect
[15:51] <snap-l> I think my USB key is giving up the ghost.
[15:51] <snap-l> either that or I have a machine that is just segfaulting for no reason
[15:51] <snap-l> fucking shit
[15:54] <gamerchick02> Lococast time. :)
[15:54] <snap-l> I am about to lose it
[15:54] <gamerchick02> lose what? sanity?
[15:54] <snap-l> Sanity, temper, patience
[15:54] <snap-l> not necessarily in that order.
[15:54] <snap-l> brb.
[15:54] <gamerchick02> oi. sorry to hear that.
[15:56] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: sorry up front for the technical talk of this month's lococast
[15:56] <rick_h_> :)
[15:56] <gamerchick02> oh it's fine.
[15:56] <rick_h_> let me know if we managed to make any sense or not
[15:56] <rick_h_> was borderline if we should do that password part or not
[15:56] <gamerchick02> you're talking about backups and such right now.
[15:56] <rick_h_> cool
[15:57] <rick_h_> heh :)
[15:57] <gamerchick02> oh, metal.
[15:57] <gamerchick02> hello *turns down speakers*
[15:57] <gamerchick02> turns speakers back up to hear the talking. :-P
[15:57] <gamerchick02> this is important to learn about though.
[15:58] <gamerchick02> yeah, i had to change my instapaper and pinboard passwords because of the FBI taking Amazon Servers.
[15:58] <Wolfger> FBI took Amazon servers?
[15:58] <gamerchick02> i love instapaper and pinboard. for reals.
[15:58] <rick_h_> no, was a different colo host
[15:59] <gamerchick02> oh god i don't want to think of the passwords i'd have to change if someone got ahold of my machine.
[16:00] <gamerchick02> one of the things i hate is having to sign up for companies' websites to apply to jobs.
[16:00] <rick_h_> yea, lastpass helps me with those these days
[16:00] <gamerchick02> they want a "profile". and a password.
[16:00] <rick_h_> but some I hand pick still since I might need to enter on a phone and such (amazon for example)
[16:01] <gamerchick02> so i end up using the same damn password on all of the sites because i'm fucking sick of signing up for company websites.
[16:01] <gamerchick02> also, a lot of times, if i have to sign up for a new account (which i will never use again) i won't apply.
[16:01] <snap-l> Totally ready to lose my shit
[16:02]  * gamerchick02 sends snap-l some tea
[16:02] <rick_h_> defac
[16:02] <snap-l> bro-in-law's laptop is a piece of shit
[16:02] <rick_h_> wow, that was totally wrong
[16:02] <rick_h_> decaf
[16:02] <rick_h_> snap-l: you have to get out of that business man
[16:02] <gamerchick02> not black tea, that hippy-decaf-rosehips stuff
[16:03] <gamerchick02> oi. i help too many people with their computers.
[16:03] <gamerchick02> what's wrong with his laptop, snap-l?
[16:03] <snap-l> Well, what sucks is a) the DVD drive is apparently FUBAR
[16:03] <gamerchick02> dear god. i feel for you.
[16:03] <snap-l> b) USB-creator is a crashy piece of shit
[16:04]  * gamerchick02 sends shots of tequila to snap-l
[16:04] <rick_h_> snap-l: I always get that with usb creator
[16:04] <rick_h_> I'd go over and over between my wife's laptop and my own with my 3 usb disks
[16:04] <rick_h_> and eventually get one to take
[16:04] <snap-l> c) I think the USB keys I have are starting to get errors
[16:04] <snap-l> yeah
[16:05] <snap-l> and someone is pinging JoDee while she's on the phone, so it sounds like a fucking submarine
[16:07] <snap-l> 0-cranky in 1 minute flat. ;)
[16:08] <snap-l> And we have booting computer with xubuntu image
[16:11] <Blazeix> <3 xubuntu
[16:11] <Blazeix> their "use generic application names" option is beautiful
[16:12] <gamerchick02> :) i'm running xubuntu on my netbook
[16:16] <Blazeix> man, I wish teams that worked on software clients communicated with us :(
[16:16] <rick_h_> ?? implementing an API you provide?
[16:17] <snap-l> I also wish Windows XP would just die in a fire
[16:17] <Blazeix> yeah, we've apparently been making life very hard for api consumers, and the fix on our side is a simple configuration change
[16:17] <rick_h_> gotcha
[16:17] <rick_h_> yea, hearing from users is good stuff
[16:17] <gamerchick02> Windows XP is not completely dead in this house. i want to convert my mom over to some form of linux, but i'm not sure if that'd work.
[16:17] <Blazeix> but this company has thousands of lines of kludgy code to get around it
[16:18] <snap-l> Anyone know offhand how big the clam files are nowadays?
[16:18] <Blazeix> basically a bunch of `dtoA.foo = dtoB.foo` lines
[16:53] <snap-l> Apparently I hit the one mirror that was the slow-boat to china
[16:54] <snap-l> Already at the point I was with about a half-hour of download
[16:58] <snap-l> Oh, awesome.
[16:58] <snap-l> Start the scan, and the thing locks up hard.
[16:58] <snap-l> FML
[16:58] <gamerchick02> wow. you really need some tequila, snap-l
[16:59]  * gamerchick02 is back from taco bell. i will probably regret that. and the fire sauce, but oh well.
[16:59] <greg-g> mmmmmm
[16:59] <rick_h_> reminds me, I need to order some tennessee sunshine
[16:59] <gamerchick02> some what, rick_h_?
[17:00] <rick_h_> http://www.redbagcollection.com/tennesseesunshine.html
[17:00] <rick_h_> what I got hooked on for any taco needs
[17:00] <gamerchick02> oh my.
[17:00] <rick_h_> I bring it to qdoba and chipolte when I go
[17:00] <_stink_> haha
[17:00] <_stink_> you're not kidding?
[17:00] <gamerchick02> there was some "kick ass" sauce at a place in Frankenmuth
[17:00] <rick_h_> and I'm out... :(
[17:01] <rick_h_> no, my wife hates it. I hid it in her purse in a ziplock bag :)
[17:01] <gamerchick02> looked kinda silly.
[17:01] <_stink_> you don't mess around.
[17:01] <_stink_> i should know this
[17:01] <gamerchick02> you need a murse, rick_h_
[17:01] <gamerchick02> then you can carry your netbook and your hot sauce with no problems.
[17:01] <rick_h_> lol, I'm not really the 'murse' kind of guy
[17:02] <gamerchick02> i thank gods i'm a woman and can carry one. because if i couldn't, my pants/shorts wouldn't hold up.
[17:02] <rick_h_> well, I mean after you have some of that stuff, no sauce at taco bell is edible
[17:02] <gamerchick02> seriously. i think i carry too much around.
[17:02] <rick_h_> not that their food is entirely either, but still
[17:02] <gamerchick02> well then. i might have to try that
[17:02] <gamerchick02> taco bell is a strange craving i get every once in awhile
[17:02] <gamerchick02> no, i'm not pregnant.
[17:02] <rick_h_> yea, I'm with you
[17:02] <gamerchick02> it just...
[17:02] <rick_h_> same boat, every other month, wife is working late, don't want to cook something...taco bell it
[17:02] <gamerchick02> i go, i want some taco bell. and nothing else will work.
[17:03] <gamerchick02> :)
[17:03] <gamerchick02> it's from college, i'm sure.
[17:03] <rick_h_> hah, definitely
[17:03] <rick_h_> my fraternity house used to make late runs there and to BK whenever they had .99 whoppers.
[17:03] <_stink_> yeah, i have a pavlovian response to the theme from the BBC World Service that airs on Michigan Radio from 11pm-4am
[17:03] <_stink_> i hear that theme... must have taco bell
[17:03] <rick_h_> care full of 7 guys squeezed in ordering up tons of food
[17:03] <rick_h_> for $20
[17:03] <_stink_> from college days
[17:03] <rick_h_> /care/car
[17:04] <gamerchick02> hah!
[17:04] <gamerchick02> yes.
[17:04] <gamerchick02> funny story:
[17:04] <rick_h_> lol, more to ship than to buy my year's supply of hotsauce
[17:04] <gamerchick02> brother is a member of Delta Chi
[17:04] <rick_h_> booo :P
[17:05] <gamerchick02> he's also one of the ones that wasn't drunk, this particular evening.
[17:05] <gamerchick02> he's in his room, and 5 (yes 5) of his drunk as skunk brothers, wearing SOMBREROS, want taco bell.
[17:05] <gamerchick02> he's the only one sober, so they go to him.
[17:06] <gamerchick02> he's like, "i'm not driving you dressed like that to the taco bell drive through.
[17:06] <gamerchick02> "
[17:06] <gamerchick02> at kettering, rick_h_
[17:06] <gamerchick02> what fraternity are you a part of?
[17:06] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: yea, I was LCA there at kettering
[17:06]  * gamerchick02 is a theta phi
[17:06] <rick_h_> sorry, LXA
[17:06] <gamerchick02> oooh!
[17:06] <rick_h_> or however you want to shorten it
[17:06] <gamerchick02> sweet.
[17:06] <gamerchick02> LXA works.
[17:07] <rick_h_> people that don't know hate the 'Chi' X thing
[17:07] <rick_h_> so I tend to do C usually
[17:07] <rick_h_> but yea
[17:07] <rick_h_> ok, thanks for the reminder gamerchick02, sauce is ordered for the next year
[17:07] <gamerchick02> :) rick_h_ cool beans!
[17:08] <gamerchick02> so, no murse for you?
[17:08] <snap-l> Oh I'm going to hurt someone
[17:08] <gamerchick02> you could carry everything you need.
[17:08] <snap-l> can't run clamscan because I'm running out of memory
[17:08]  * gamerchick02 gets out of snap-l 's way
[17:08] <rick_h_> no, I'll just start carrying my laptop backpack around all the time
[17:08] <rick_h_> like I'm a traveling hippie
[17:09] <rick_h_> snap-l: "I'm sorry, I did everything I could. Here's your new linux machine"
[17:09] <greg-g> +1
[17:09] <rick_h_> maybe?
[17:09] <gamerchick02> don't hippies carry hemp murses?
[17:09] <rick_h_> I don't think I've seen greg-g with one :)
[17:09] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ has a point, snap-l. great idea!
[17:09] <snap-l> Save for having to find some replacements for the stuff that he uses to tweak his RC cars and his multimeter, this is a great idea.
[17:10] <gamerchick02> maybe it's time for a google search. *bows to the almighty google*
[17:10] <rick_h_> ugh
[17:10] <rick_h_> "and I pre-installed a bunch of books on your new hobby! ham radio!"
[17:10] <rick_h_> lots of stuff for that on there
[17:10] <_stink_> haha
[17:11] <gamerchick02> lol, rick_h_
[17:11] <gamerchick02> your new hobby. i like that.
[17:11] <snap-l> http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8963
[17:11] <rick_h_> rc cars are for kids, unless they're jets or other aircraft that I wish I could do
[17:12] <rick_h_> well, working in VM with usb is cool
[17:13] <gamerchick02> actually, the vm and wine idea is a great one.
[17:13] <rick_h_> greg-g: hah, of course you'd come up with that bug :P
[17:13] <rick_h_> I debated long/hard on that.
[17:23] <greg-g> :)
[17:36] <gamerchick02> i refuse to get State Farm insurance.
[17:36] <gamerchick02> i'm sick of them sending me pleas to switch my insurance.
[17:36] <greg-g> they all do that
[17:36] <gamerchick02> them and progressive. i will never do business with those companies. ever
[17:37] <greg-g> trust me, I have state farm and get the same crap from progressive
[17:37] <gamerchick02> they all need to have their reproductive organs forcibly and painfully removed.
[17:37] <gamerchick02> i hate spam and i hate paper spam.
[17:38]  * greg-g nods
[17:47] <gamerchick02> http://gamerchick02.tumblr.com/post/7269076338/americanroutes-1952-vincent-black-lightning
[17:47]  * gamerchick02 drools
[17:47] <gamerchick02> beautiful.
[18:12] <gamerchick02> i like the ending track for lococast.
[18:12] <rick_h_> http://mashable.com/2011/07/05/google-blogger-picasa-rebranding/
[18:13] <gamerchick02> hrm. google+ blogging?
[18:13] <gamerchick02> google blogs. that's cool
[18:13] <gamerchick02> i wonder if they're fixing the whole "no pages" thing.
[18:35] <gamerchick02> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/top-terminal-commands-newbie/ interesting. and some upset in the comments, as is per usual with OMGUbuntu.
[18:43] <jjesse> going through my ubuntu-us-mi label in gmail and keep seeing notifications that "this message may not have been sent by: email address" is this because you guys are sending from programs outside of gmail?
[18:43] <jjesse> ie Wolfger's message to a subject "removing all but current kernel"
[18:44] <jjesse> getting it also in emails brousch has sent
[18:44] <Wolfger> I think that's because it's going through the mailing list e-mail....
[18:45] <jjesse> i don't see it on greg-g's email
[18:46] <Wolfger> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=185812
[18:46] <Wolfger> Greg is not using Gmail
[18:49] <Wolfger> From Robert Citek's e-mail in that thread: Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 91.189.94.204 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of ubuntu-us-mi-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com) smtp.mail=ubuntu-us-mi-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@gmail.com
[18:49] <jjesse> ah so its because of the list software
[19:16] <snap-l> God, I hate Windows
[19:16] <gamerchick02> i love to open windows in the spring when it's nice and cool out. /snark *ducks and runs*
[19:17] <snap-l> This machine is essentially fucked
[19:17] <gamerchick02> is there a way to try 7 on it, in all seriousness?
[19:17] <snap-l> It's a Latitude D610
[19:17] <gamerchick02> 7 is like a million times better than xp
[19:17] <snap-l> it was old when it was bought
[19:17] <jjesse> should run windows 7 right?
[19:17] <gamerchick02> eee.
[19:17] <gamerchick02> maybe not.
[19:17] <gamerchick02> what about Mint?
[19:17] <gamerchick02> seriously.
[19:18] <jjesse> works fine on windows 7 but need the vista sound driverhttp://forums.cnet.com/7723-7587_102-332366.html
[19:18] <snap-l> If I put Linux on this machine, it's essentially useless to my bro-in-law
[19:18] <_stink_> i can empathize with that.
[19:18] <snap-l> and if I put 7 on it, it's essentially useless too
[19:18] <gamerchick02> so can i. :(
[19:18] <gamerchick02> sorry, snap-l.
[19:19] <snap-l> plus, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have discs so I can slam it
[19:19] <gamerchick02> i wish i could help you.
[19:19] <snap-l> and frankly he doesn't have the $$ to go out and get a new machine, which is what I think he's going to do anyway.
[19:19] <snap-l> because the problem isn't Windows, it's the fact that my bro-in-law will click on anything to get to where he wants to go
[19:20] <gamerchick02> oh dear god.
[19:20] <gamerchick02> viruses and spyware galore, eh?
[19:20] <snap-l> he's not terribly computer literate
[19:20] <snap-l> well, there's one that I think I wiped, but the machine has even more problems than that
[19:20] <snap-l> Think whatever it was corrupted something on there
[19:21] <snap-l> avg won't start up
[19:21] <gamerchick02> ugh
[19:21] <gamerchick02> what about microsoft security essentials?
[19:21] <_stink_> yeah, it's tough.  i tell people that once you have any malware, the only solution is to back up data and reinstall.
[19:21] <gamerchick02> that's lighter and seems to work better for me
[19:21] <_stink_> but with no backups or install media, that can't be done.
[19:22] <snap-l> And I think it has just about every single update queued up since the last time I saw this machine
[19:22] <gamerchick02> oh. my. god.
[19:22] <gamerchick02> and he's been ONLINE all this time???
[19:23] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Not sure
[19:23] <snap-l> he doesn't use the computer much
[19:23] <gamerchick02> wow.
[19:23] <gamerchick02> do they have a high-speed internet connection?
[19:23] <snap-l> It's asking me to install SP3, though, if that's any indication
[19:23] <gamerchick02> if so, then he probably has been.
[19:23] <gamerchick02> damn.
[19:24] <snap-l> Going to try an update, since there'a malicious software removal tool that should be installed
[19:24] <snap-l> but frankly I don't see much hope for it in it's current state.
[19:25] <snap-l> Honestly, if they made DOS versions of his programs, I think he'd be happier
[19:25] <snap-l> I know I would
[19:25] <gamerchick02> *shakes head* wow.
[19:33] <snap-l> Whelp, xubuntu, here we come.
[19:33] <snap-l> Just called him
[19:33] <snap-l> I think I can figure something out for his multimeter.
[19:33] <snap-l> and with some luck maybe Wine will handle the USB interface.
[19:34] <snap-l> And it's not like I'm not a coder, and couldn't code up something for his multimeter. ;)
[19:34] <snap-l> That too, and I can make sure this damn thing gets updated.
[19:36] <gamerchick02> Oooh. Xubuntu will be much better for him, IMHO.
[19:36] <gamerchick02> good luck!
[19:38] <snap-l> Thank you!
[19:39] <gamerchick02> you're welcome! are you going to tweak the ui to make it easier for him to work with?
[19:39] <snap-l> I'm going to make this as much of a busy-box for him as I can
[19:40] <snap-l> ie: he'll be able to get in, get out, and get done
[19:40] <gamerchick02> good.
[21:20] <greg-g> rick_h_: just fyi, I just used your address again for this: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/05/free-official-ubuntu-book-for-approved-loco-teams/
[21:20] <greg-g> :)
[22:17] <rick_h_> greg-g: you're going to get me into trouble with the wife with all these unexplained boxes showing up :p
[22:21] <gamerchick02> i just saw that and was about to share in here.
[22:21] <gamerchick02> heh
[23:50] <greg-g> :)
[23:52] <greg-g> snap-l: rick_h_ brousch _stink_ ColonelPanic001 gamerchick02 jjesse widox Wolfger: ya'll gonna be able to make the IRC meeting in about 10 minutes?
[23:52] <greg-g> I need to get better about sending out email reminders :/
[23:52] <gamerchick02> an irc meeting tonight? i guess since i'm here, sure.
[23:52] <gamerchick02> i've never been to one. hah. i'm always gone somewhere.
[23:52] <snap-l> i can sorta meet
[23:53] <greg-g> :)
[23:57] <_stink_> greg-g: on and off, yeah
[23:59] <greg-g> cool