[00:00] <knome_web> anyway, i actually managed to splat one more bug before the server went dingdong
[00:01] <Unit193> Eh... Not fun! Do you know why yet?
[00:02] <knome_web> well no idea, though i emailed the service provider already
[00:02] <knome_web> (and yes, it's 2am in finland)
[00:03] <knome_web> i think we're almost up again!
[00:03] <knome_web> i'm already being asked a password on ssh connection
[00:07] <knome_web> now we're all the way up to connection refused!
[00:23] <knome> and we're back
[00:23] <knome> Unit193, which email? :)
[00:23] <knome> woot, they just released 3.2
[00:23] <knome> errm, wordpress 3.2 :)
[00:28] <knome> woot, the new admin looks sexy
[00:29] <knome> see for yourself (updated the demo site to 3.2 as well)
[00:31] <knome> okay, so now every non-ie related bug in imgcapt is fixed, except the translation issue
[00:35] <Unit193> knome: The one with the WP content
[00:37] <knome> Unit193, ?
[00:38] <knome> the bug in "playground" is fixed, since there is no better way to display the span there.
[00:38] <knome> the xfwm bug is a completely different issue ;)
[00:39] <knome> err xfpm
[00:39] <knome> is there any other bug you might be referring to?
[00:40] <knome> astraljava, thanks for the good feedback!
[00:40] <astraljava> knome: Thanks for the opportunity to take part. :)
[00:41] <knome> no problem!
[00:41] <knome> i'm probably going to add a few other plugins to the site soon..
[00:43] <astraljava> knome: Just let us know if we can be of assistance when regards to testing.
[00:44] <knome> astraljava, sure! :)
[00:46] <knome> some of them actually need next to no testing (have been in use for >year...)
[00:47] <knome> i suppose the most important thing is to check the installation process to a new installation rather than just maintaining the original plugin installation
[00:47] <astraljava> knome: Yeah. Read that wrong. Thought you said you were fixing some other plugins. :)
[00:47] <knome> heh well, there are some plugins that need testing
[00:48] <knome> probably not fixing, but giving other people access to them might bring out something weird ;)
[00:50] <knome> and if not anything else, need for additional features might arise
[00:57] <astraljava> knome: Yeah. It's not always bugs only in existing functionality.
[00:57] <astraljava> Uhh... #ubuntu is an endeavour. I need to sleep now. :D
[00:57] <knome> heh :D
[00:57] <knome> good night!
[00:57] <astraljava> Thanks, you too!
[00:59] <knome> (let's see if it's 4am or 6am tonight... ;))
[01:09] <Unit193> knome: I was talking about the Testing the ImgCapt WordPress plugin email (Really doesn't matter at this point)
[01:09] <knome> Unit193, :)
[01:09] <knome> Unit193, i can still create you an account...
[01:10] <knome> while i fixed many issues, it's still not perfect
[01:11] <Unit193> knome: If you don't need any more testing (And astralj is better anyway)
[01:11] <knome> Unit193, i definitely need more testing for imgcapt, the last discussion was about other plugins :)
[01:18] <Unit193> I could test to the best of my ability, but that may not be all that well (I also wouldn't really be too happy about last name)
[01:18] <knome> okay, just throw in the initial :)
[01:20] <Unit193> And you would be OK with that? Cool. PM or email?
[01:20] <knome> pm is fine
[01:20] <knome> and yeah, that's fine really
[06:25] <NevoTech> Hi, I'm a small system builder, and I'm interested in marketing Xubuntu on my website and in ads, who would i talk to?
[06:26] <astraljava> NevoTech: That would be charlie-tca, pleia2, knome and plantoschka.
[06:27] <NevoTech> perfect, thank you
[06:30] <astraljava> NevoTech: Thanks for helping out! :)
[12:58] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[12:58] <charlie-tca> Testing alpha2 begins today, all the images should be dated today
[13:04] <knome> charlie-tca, hey (pong)
[13:04] <charlie-tca> yes, here
[13:06] <knome> charlie-tca, you pinged me earlier?
[13:07] <charlie-tca> I don't remember? I went off line most of yesterday
[13:07] <knome> would that have been something about the plugin testing, or something else?
[13:07] <charlie-tca> I don't know now
[13:08] <knome> heh, okay
[13:10] <knome> do you want an account to the test site anyway?
[13:14] <charlie-tca> sure
[13:14] <charlie-tca> use this nick
[13:14] <knome> which email?
[13:14] <charlie-tca> charlie-tca AT ubuntu
[13:15] <knome> done, you should have email
[13:16] <charlie-tca> thank you
[13:19] <knome> np
[13:35] <xeranas> Hi all,
[13:35] <xeranas> If I want to learn about devepoping xubuntu where I should start reading maybe good article exist about this?
[13:36] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntu.org/contribute
[13:37]  * knome is keeping his fingers crossed that the page is up-to-date enough ;)
[13:38] <xeranas> so first recomended thing is become MOTU?
[13:38] <charlie-tca> yes, it is
[13:38] <charlie-tca> all of the developers for Xubuntu have to start there
[13:40] <micahg> ugh, it's no longer needed to become MOTU before becoming an Ubuntu developer, there are Per package upload rights as well as packagesets now, I can't speak for xubuntu-dev though
[13:40] <knome> being a motu is not a bad starting point
[13:40] <micahg> yes, but one should only become MOTU if one is interested in the archive in general and not a specific set of packages
[13:41] <charlie-tca> xeranas: apparently, the first step is to become a Ubuntu developer now
[13:41] <knome> and there are probably things you can help with even if you are not a motu, or ubuntu member
[13:41] <knome> xeranas, what are your main points of interest?
[13:42] <xeranas> learn and get more expierence 
[13:42] <xeranas> and afcourse make something usefull
[13:43] <knome> micahg, is there some low-hanging fruit out of the motu scope you and mr_pouit are working on right now?
[13:44] <micahg> knome: I think we're done with the first round of merges, idk of anything offhand, maybe charlie-tca knows of some outstanding bugs that need fixing that might be on the easier side
[13:44] <charlie-tca> Back to the first step
[13:46] <knome> charlie-tca, any important, but probably easyish bugs?
[13:46] <charlie-tca> None
[13:46] <knome> non-important?
[13:46] <knome> non-easy?
[13:47] <knome> ANY bugs?
[13:47] <knome> :)
[13:47] <charlie-tca> This is why the first step is to start at Ubuntu development.
[13:47] <knome> xeranas, do you have any experience in programming?
[13:47] <knome> charlie-tca, i doubt ubuntu has any easier bugs really..
[13:47] <charlie-tca> They have such stuff. We don't usually have the documenatation, training ability, bitesize fix easy, etc
[13:47] <charlie-tca> Of course they do. 
[13:48] <charlie-tca> Go to launchpad, seach on bitesize tag
[13:48] <charlie-tca> go to harvest, they keep a page of easy to fix issues
[13:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, the mentoring can happen in #ubuntu-motu, was just wondering if you have any itches for someone to scratch
[13:49] <charlie-tca> We are a very small team, most of the easy stuff happens very fast here.
[13:50] <charlie-tca> micahg: you and mr_pouit are handling the development side, is there any?
[13:50] <micahg> k, harvest is a good, idea, I think the xubuntu packageset shows up there
[13:51] <xeranas> knome: PHP, Python, Java, and bit C++ 
[13:51] <charlie-tca> How about the "lightdm won't give us a live session" stuff?
[13:51] <micahg> heh, that's not so easy...
[13:51] <micahg> harvest does have a list for the xubuntu packageset though
[13:52] <xeranas> knome: currently only harvesting information where can start, it not mean that Im start right now (because first need read lots of documentation and I want spend time in right place ...)
[13:53] <knome> xeranas, sure! i'm sure micahg can help you getting started with the right stuff from here :)
[13:54] <charlie-tca> Well, if I give advice and then someone else decides it is wrong, I don't have any more
[13:56] <knome> charlie-tca, your advice is of course taken into account :) didn't micahg say that harvest is a good idea :)
[13:56] <xeranas> charlie-tca: I read MOTU as well, I feel that good to know packaging basics
[13:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: just saying that MOTU isn't a required first step towards xubuntu upload rights as far as the DMB is concerned, Xubuntu itself can have its own rules though
[14:01] <micahg> charlie-tca: and I did acknowledge your role as decider in my original statement :)
[14:01] <charlie-tca> As to the wiki, if it is wrong, perhaps micahg and knome would be so good as to get it updated?
[14:01] <charlie-tca> or, rather, website
[14:02] <knome> mmh, that's on the list before we publish the new website
[14:02] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, I guess that can be a topic for the next meeting, if MOTU should still be a first step or not
[14:02] <charlie-tca> That needs to be done asap, not when we have the website go up
[14:02] <charlie-tca> micahg: that is up to mr_pouit, as lead developer for Xubuntu
[14:04] <mr_pouit> eh, I thought that to be able to get our own members and developers, we'd have to set up the xubuntu council first?
[14:04] <mr_pouit> (o hai, btw)
[14:04] <micahg> but AFAIK xubuntu-dev != upload rights
[14:04] <micahg> mr_pouit: yes
[14:04] <charlie-tca> and until that point, where do they start?
[14:06] <mr_pouit> mmh, it's always a good idea to read the motu documentation anyway (but then, it's possible to focus later on xubuntu/xfce packages instead of all universe packages)
[14:06] <charlie-tca> Can't actually set up a council with a 4 person team, and two of the 4 are mostly inactive
[14:07] <knome> i need to go
[14:07] <knome> i'll be back later today
[14:07] <knome> see you
[14:40] <GridCube> :( im sorry i don't know if i can test today
[14:41] <GridCube> :(
[14:41] <charlie-tca> np
[14:42] <GridCube> how much time is left? maybe i can get back to my house to do a late test
[14:45] <charlie-tca> um, daily or milestone?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> We started testing alpha2 today. We have today and tomorrow to do them
[14:45] <GridCube> milestone?
[14:45] <GridCube> oh
[14:45] <charlie-tca> This is the ones on the iso tracker
[14:45] <GridCube> :D i can get to do milestone tomorrow then :D
[14:46] <charlie-tca> My zsync is taaking forever today
[14:46] <charlie-tca> 3-1/2 hours already
[14:46] <GridCube> that might be all the people ddosing unintentionally the servers
[14:47] <charlie-tca> yeah
[15:11] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I show 67 proposed new Xubuntu Team members at https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team
[15:11] <charlie-tca> Want to discuss them in pm or throrgh email?
[15:14]  * micahg wonders if he should throw his hat into the list...
[15:15]  * charlie-tca and mr_pouit think micahg should throw his hat into https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/
[15:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: not possible, restricted team :)
[15:18] <micahg> mr_pouit could add me if he wants to
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Yes, he could
[15:19] <charlie-tca> How do you grow a team that no one can apply to?
[15:19] <micahg> ah, it says one needs to create a wiki page
[15:20] <micahg> and petition for entrance
[15:20]  * micahg guesses he could do that at some point
[15:20] <The_Soup> charlie-tca: http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/907.png
[15:21] <charlie-tca> micahg: it never actually tells you who/what to send the request to
[15:21] <micahg> true
[15:23] <mr_pouit> oh, I didn't know I'm an admin of xubuntu-dev
[15:23] <mr_pouit> ~I'll add you then :p
[15:24] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: getting the Xubuntu Team together is necessary to getting even close to setting up a council, since they are the team that has to vote for a council
[15:25] <mr_pouit> yeah, from a quick look at the list of proposed members, most of them don't seem to be related to xubuntu :|
[15:25] <charlie-tca> true
[15:25] <charlie-tca> but we still have ncommander on xubuntu-dev too
[15:26] <mr_pouit> yeah, in pkg-xfce (in debian) also, but he hasn't done anything since xfce 4.6...
[15:26] <micahg> charlie-tca: he's in there twice actually (he's core-dev now :))
[15:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: shall I clean up Xubuntu Team and email a list of candidates to you for comments?
[15:27] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: thanks, that would be great (I don't think I know more than 4 names in this list :})
[15:27] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will give it a try
[15:28] <charlie-tca> That should be the team selecting the next project leader
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Some of them are the people testing the development versions for us, too
[15:28] <mr_pouit> I think I saw pleia, the dev of xfce4-volumed, a danish xfce translator, and a kubuntu developer ;p
[15:29] <charlie-tca> heh, I will see what I can do for it, then.
[15:30] <mr_pouit> if you're fine with that, I'll add micahg to ~xubuntu-dev without the need for him to do any wikipage :p
[15:30] <charlie-tca> Sure, and then we can bug him for the page to get done ;)
[15:31] <mr_pouit> huhuhu
[15:31] <charlie-tca> How did micahg get to be an ubuntu member without a wiki page?
[15:31] <micahg> charlie-tca: I have one for Ubuntu membership, one for mozillateam, and one for MOTU
[15:32] <charlie-tca> Oh, so one for Xubuntu should be easy? ;)
[15:32]  * micahg will cut and paste from +uploaded-packages
[15:32] <mr_pouit> and then one wikipage to list all these ones
[15:32] <charlie-tca> hehehe, yeah, that too
[15:33] <micahg> 18 out of the last 75 are xfce*
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Really?
[15:34] <micahg> charlie-tca: https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+uploaded-packages
[15:34] <charlie-tca> oh, good
[15:34] <micahg> most were sync requests :)
[15:35] <charlie-tca> Every one helps
[15:35] <micahg> but I think I got libgtk2-notify-perl working with the new libnotify, just need to wait on a libgtk2-perl rebuild which should happen after alpha2
[15:36] <micahg> which is one of the last packages keeping libnotify1 on the CD
[15:37]  * micahg hugs mr_pouit 
[15:40] <mr_pouit> :)
[15:41]  * micahg wonders what he got himself into now...
[15:41] <charlie-tca> nothing but good :)
[15:42] <mr_pouit> you'll have to obey charlie-tca :P
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Is that even possible?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> re-syncing xubuntu images, which got respun after I synced them
[15:45] <charlie-tca> 23% changed on the desktop 64 image
[17:32] <Unit193> With the idea of dev testers, do I count? Should I join xubuntu-team?
[17:33] <charlie-tca> Um, you should join ~xubuntu-testers in launchpad
[17:36] <Unit193> I'm the newest person to apply :)
[17:39] <charlie-tca> hm, my internet connection sure hates doing three installs at one time now
[17:54] <astraljava> Unit193: Are you testing today? I forgot to download the image at work, and cannot do it over the 3G due to the quota. I'll try to recall to download it tomorrow before heading home.
[17:54] <charlie-tca> doing my part to turn the iso tracker red today
[17:54] <charlie-tca> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:01] <Unit193> astraljava: I'm trying to, but I have something most of the day (I can do this 'til midnight, right?)
[18:05] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Unless things get fixed suddenly, we should have the same images now until Friday's run
[18:09] <Unit193> Mind if I run things by you before putting them on the tracker? (Like normal)
[18:09] <charlie-tca> no, I don't mind. 
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, pleia2 ! Best wishes to both of you!
[18:15] <pleia2> charlie-tca: thank you :)
[18:18] <micahg> pleia2: congrats!
[18:18] <charlie-tca> Why is modem manager loading a ton of plugins before the Xubuntu desktop install restarts?
[18:19] <davmor2> charlie-tca: I get the same thing when Ubuntu logs out to shut down
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Got about 60 or more plugins loading between "restart" and "remove cd"
[18:19] <davmor2> only unloading obviously
[18:19] <charlie-tca> it says "loading
[18:20] <pleia2> micahg: thanks!
[18:20] <charlie-tca> well, I probably got enough red on the tracker anyway
[18:21] <charlie-tca> It seems to be our turn for red bugs
[18:21] <davmor2> charlie-tca: try Ubuntu you can make up the difference in no time guaranteed :)
[18:21] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:21] <charlie-tca> what an idea!
[18:40] <astraljava> pleia2: Congratulations, though I'm not really sure why, but I have a hunch. :)
[18:40] <pleia2> astraljava: thanks :) (engaged)
[18:41] <astraljava> Unit193: Yeah no biggie. But yeah, I'll test tomorrow anyway, if I recall/can download during the workday.
[18:41] <astraljava> pleia2: Figured something like that. :)
[18:49] <The_Soup> pleia2: congratulations too :3
[18:50] <pleia2> thank you :)
[18:50] <GridCube> lol my nick was wrong
[18:51] <GridCube> :) i hope i can get to my home soon and do the testings for this milestone
[18:51] <GridCube> and in other news... :D I got a job! :D i'm a real librarian now!
[18:56] <pleia2> congrats
[18:59] <davmor2> GridCube: It's not a boring job either I've seen all about it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412915/
[19:01] <charlie-tca> GridCube: congratulations on the new job!
[19:01] <davmor2> GridCube: Congratulations though
[19:05] <GridCube> davmor2: i study library science :D librarianship is the awesomest of the awesome
[19:06] <GridCube> lol that movie, haven't actually seen it yet