[04:59] apachelogger: yus? [07:32] good morning kubuntu [07:33] shadeslayer: do packaging [07:33] morning Harald [07:33] apachelogger: yeah, i'm working on ksaneplugin [07:35] tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive ... lol [07:35] coward [07:38] apachelogger: pm [07:52] anyone knows what an @ABI_4_0 suffix for a symbol means? [07:52] in particular, why were there those symbols and they got replaced by @Base ones [07:55] apachelogger: Quintasan: shadeslayer; you might want to put a note on https://launchpad.net/~project-neon directing people to https://launchpad.net/~neon [07:55] apachelogger: please fix [07:57] I can not [07:57] you lost the password? [07:57] lolwut [07:57] I has no powas in the lands of neon [07:57] but if you wish I shall lead the phonon host to the lands of neon and conquer this puny empire [07:58] but yes, I also lost the password, or perhaps I gave it away [07:58] I am decently sure I told Nightrose though [07:58] knowing that I would forget it eventually [07:58] of course she probably also forgot it ^^ [07:59] shadeslayer: why not simply kill the user? [07:59] i do not have that power [07:59] * shadeslayer shall ask those in power [08:01] so what do I do with the symbols? [08:01] halp!!! [08:02] ask g+ [08:02] it probably knows the answer [08:02] unlikely [08:02] kubotu: can you talk to g+? [08:02] shadeslayer: did they even document the flipping api yet? [08:02] don't think so [08:02] probably wip or sth [08:03] silly [08:03] * apachelogger needs a minion to reverse engineer the android client [08:03] apachelogger: https://services.google.com/fb/forms/plusdevelopers/ [08:04] apachelogger: i probably have it stored somewhere at home [08:04] moin moin to apachelogger and his legion of aliases :) [08:06] lol [08:06] ahoy ahoy padams [08:06] how's it hanging? [08:07] padams: power consumption stuff: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2638_aspm&num=1 [08:07] can i just put ksaneplugin under the kde section> [08:07] supposedly [08:07] apachelogger: cheers, dude [08:07] Nightrose: I think we'll just remove it, so nevermind [08:09] good god, valorie has a *huge* song collection [08:10] well, consider how much music you have, then interpolate age [08:16] not the biggest around [08:17] just ....adequate [08:17] :-) [08:20] apachelogger: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/163909 << please ack it [08:24] this is an outrage [08:25] * apachelogger pokes Quintasan and yofel with a wine bottle [08:25] +#MISSING: 4:4.6.90-0ubuntu1# _ZN14HistoryPtrList10setCurrentEi@ABI_4_0 4:4.6.1 [08:25] + _ZN14HistoryPtrList10setCurrentEi@Base 4:4.6.90-0ubuntu1 [08:27] apachelogger: another outrage? they are getting common from you :P [08:28] long term damage from dealing with over engineered and underdocumented stuff [08:31] apachelogger: who's listed as the email contact for ~project-neon? [08:31] morning [08:31] hey bambee [08:31] screw that [08:31] Quintasan: around ? :) [08:31] burn them all [08:31] shadeslayer: hey ;) [08:31] with fire [08:31] preferably [08:31] we're out of fire [08:31] Quintasan used it all up [08:37] or may be shadeslayer could review my merge proposal ... :P [08:40] i'll be back in like 30 minutes === hunger_ is now known as hunger [08:49] [kiten] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706084902-y4lsqrq9c1hk210p * debian/changelog Repack upstream source to include copies of FDL and LGPL [08:52] shadeslayer: btw http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/debian/copyright.dep5 [08:52] perhaps with that template you'll manage to create valid dep5 :P [08:59] [klettres] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706085911-8vi347pojp3065dz * (11 files in 4 dirs) Initial release (moved out of kdeedu) [09:04] [klettres] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706090451-dev9557pnfok9nb3 * debian/copyright add copyright [09:05] [klettres] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706090529-bd42f3rr1evd3sis * debian/rules testing is for broken software :P [09:11] [klettres] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706091108-i14hzde1msw0605d * debian/changelog Repack upstream source to include copies of LGPL and FDL [09:13] oh [09:13] Nightrose: honey [09:13] apachelogger: yes dear? [09:14] Nightrose: thanks for the review of me blog post, is it interesting enough for starters? [09:14] jep :) [09:14] * apachelogger found it hard to write sane things about such a complicate thing [09:14] Nightrose: kthx :* [09:14] * apachelogger invokes the publish [09:28] [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706092819-w2mq38ilk61hsb5e * (bin/kbzr debian/changelog) Add kbzr a tiny wrapper around bzr that expands arbitary names to a launchpad url for kubuntu packaging [09:28] Quintasan: ^ [09:33] [kmplot] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706093320-0zb941nk15oj8rty * (9 files in 4 dirs) Initial release (moved out of kdeedu) [09:38] [kmplot] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706093809-gr3u0slefwq5ncj6 * debian/copyright copyright++ [09:41] [kmplot] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706094108-jc83274wkp1xc74v * debian/changelog Repack upstream source to include a copy of the FDL [09:44] apachelogger: That is an interesting feature my friend [09:45] Quintasan: do you know anything about the symbols stuff from earlier? [09:45] apachelogger: symbols stuff as in missing symbols in Kopete? [09:45] no [09:45] +#MISSING: 4:4.6.90-0ubuntu1# _ZN14HistoryPtrList10setCurrentEi@ABI_4_0 4:4.6.1 [09:45] + _ZN14HistoryPtrList10setCurrentEi@Base 4:4.6.90-0ubuntu1 [09:45] note that the symbol is the same except for the suffix change [09:46] now I was wondering what made the suffix change to begin with and whether that even matters [09:46] as IIRC the stuff after the @ is not actually part of the mangled named but some other weirdness [09:48] apachelogger: I have no experience with symbols apart from updaing them [09:50] [kolourpaint] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706095010-frjk5fk9pamof6m5 * (10 files in 4 dirs) Initial release (moved out of kdegraphics) [09:50] That reminds me I've yet to get any response from Kopete about missing symbol [09:51] Quintasan: what was the change again? [09:52] I forgot, building [09:52] woosh [09:52] this copyright could take a while [09:57] apachelogger: #MISSING: 4:4.6.90# _ZNK6Kopete12OnlineStatus12protocolIconEv@Base 4:4.3.4 [09:57] Kopete::OnlineStatus::protocolIcon() const [09:58] IIRC if it's safe to remove to no SO bump, right? [09:58] then* [10:04] o/ [10:05] * yofel gets back to work [10:06] [kolourpaint] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706100603-avwwts5ywkfg00j2 * debian/copyright add copyright [10:06] Quintasan: right [10:07] libkopete-dev : Depends: libkopete4 (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu3) but 4:4.6.4-0ubuntu1~ppa1 is to be installed [10:07] am I using staging? [10:07] no idea [10:07] oh apparently, fun [10:07] wonder why [10:07] * apachelogger waves fist [10:07] well then [10:07] WHATTF [10:07] install libkopete-dev [10:08] then grep for protocolIcon [10:08] show me the matches [10:08] http://paste.kde.org/92173 [10:08] unrelated [10:08] but wtf [10:08] (the one before 4.6.90 that is) [10:08] I switched from kdebase-runtime-dev to kde-runtime-dev [10:09] apachelogger: kopeteonlinestatus.h: QPixmap protocolIcon() const [10:10] in what class? [10:11] apachelogger: class KOPETE_EXPORT OnlineStatus [10:14] [kolourpaint] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706101322-4zg9hqavzstptfmr * debian/changelog Repack upstream source to include copies of LGPL and FDL [10:14] [kolourpaint] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706101359-maucyxfm7xn4kr7c * debian/control add missing builddep on libqimageblitz-dev [10:14] Quintasan: so that is as public as it gets [10:14] Quintasan: you might want to ask in kde-devel what to do, seeing as kopete does not answer [10:14] Then it needs a so bump [10:23] ahhhhh [10:23] Quintasan: /usr/share/doc/pkg-kde-tools/README.DebianABIManager [10:23] Package: libfoo4 [10:23] X-Debian-ABI: 0 [10:23] Symbols of the library (CMake target "foo") with SONAME "libfoo.so.4" will be [10:23] versioned as "ABI_4_0". SONAME and library filename are kept unchanged from [10:23] original. === tazz_ is now known as tazz [10:27] heh, libfoo.so [10:30] [kiten] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706103007-vob96qy7hqd3fwq7 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Add kubuntu_enable_debianabimanager.diff to use the Debian ABIManager [10:32] FFS [10:32] apachelogger: can you look at what thiago wants from me ? [10:37] [ktouch] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706103716-fm1tabvul22ch7mx * (9 files in 4 dirs) Initial release (moved out of ktouch) [10:39] [kiten] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706103924-93t3an3vgr980d12 * debian/libkiten4.install update lib path [10:41] apachelogger: line 1 of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kiten/view/head:/debian/copyright is busted [10:41] i get "Page not found" [10:45] [ktouch] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706104515-gwve82ktbd0dumyn * debian/copyright add copyrigh [10:46] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeartwork] Philip Muškovac * 113 * debian/ (5 files) * New upstream release candidate [10:46] shadeslayer: y u tell me? [10:47] because ... uh ... you put that url? [10:50] [ktouch] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110706105040-2fn6rg7jyo6l1cpq * debian/changelog Repack upstream source to include a copy of the FDL [10:51] shadeslayer: no [10:51] I pushed a branch [10:52] ah [10:52] nvm I did not read properly [10:52] shadeslayer: yeah, debian doc is kaput [10:52] no idea where [10:52] why [10:52] the thing is [10:52] the wiki page is $deprecated [10:53] apachelogger: use dep5 ? :P [10:53] and the debian-policy suggests this url as format url [10:53] shadeslayer: use what? [10:53] dep5 format for the copyright file [10:53] sometimes I wonder if you do that just to annoy me [10:53] he does [10:53] indeed :P [10:53] figures [10:53] kiten is up now [10:54] * yofel goes looking for Zion color schemes... [10:56] ktouch up [10:57] lunchy break [10:59] AMAROK Y U SO SLOW [11:08] gaaah [11:09] bambee: you didn't really look at the list-missing output for kde-workspace? [11:10] http://paste.kde.org/92209 [11:11] yofel: damnit :\ [11:11] please fix ;) [11:11] lunch break first, then I will fix it [11:12] don't worry ;) [11:12] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kanagram] Rohan Garg * 3 * debian/control Fix the Maintainer field [11:12] @_@ [11:12] apachelogger: Were you following exchange between me and thiago? [11:18] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksaneplugin] Rohan Garg * 1 * (9 files in 3 dirs) Initial packaging for ksaneplugin [11:21] doesn't that need libksane? [11:22] haven't uploaded it yet [11:22] builds with older libksane just fine [11:22] k [11:23] yofel: did you finish libksane btw? [11:24] just started it [11:24] ah, ok [11:24] i'll hold off uploading it then [11:24] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksaneplugin] Rohan Garg * 2 * debian/changelog Minor epoch fix [11:24] darn you epoch :< [11:31] yofel: Any idea how to interrupt a build and drop to shell? [11:32] no [11:32] apachelogger: ^ [11:32] erm, make cmake run a invalid command? [11:33] shadeslayer: I'm doing a pbuilder build lol [11:33] then you fix it in the build and continue on [11:33] hmm [11:33] Quintasan: yeah, so make it dep on a lib -> don't add lib to build deps [11:33] or just don't add a build dep :P [11:33] k [11:34] Quintasan: you need the C10Shell hook tho [11:34] I've got it [11:34] should work then [11:35] STOP SPAWNING JOBS FUCKING PLASMA [11:35] http://i.imgur.com/rkmdJ.png [11:36] y u no enable compositing? [11:36] Why should I? [11:36] * yofel doesn't have it enabled either [11:37] but ... it makes your dekstop look pretty [11:37] then again, i have enough GPU juice to spare [11:37] And sluggish [11:37] shadeslayer: libksane0.install here has usr/lib/kde4/ksaneplugin.so, so add some breaks/replaces to your ksaneplugin package [11:38] 0.o [11:38] s/has/had/ [11:38] yofel meant: "shadeslayer: libksane0.install here had usr/lib/kde4/ksaneplugin.so, so add some breaks/replaces to your ksaneplugin package" [11:38] kubotu: please die [11:39] hm [11:39] ~karma kubotu [11:39] karma for kubotu: -1 [11:39] kubotu-- [11:39] kubotu-- [11:39] kubotu hate day today [11:40] true, poor kubotu [11:40] (not really) [11:44] shadeslayer: does ksaneplugin install any icons? [11:45] nope [11:45] k [11:45] just a desktop file and a so [11:45] yeah, libksane installs 3 icons for some reason [11:47] yofel: [11:47] root@nightwalker:~/kdenetwork-4.6.90/lib# nm libkopete.so.4 | grep _ZNK6Kopete12OnlineStatus12protocolIconEv [11:47] root@nightwalker:~/kdenetwork-4.6.90/lib# nm -D libkopete.so.4 | grep _ZNK6Kopete12OnlineStatus12protocolIconEv [11:47] nothing [11:47] tell thiago that [11:48] fyi pad.lv/~project-neon has been disabled :) [11:49] :) [11:52] wut [11:52] upload to staging? [11:53] oh we can't upload to ninjas [11:53] well, for now we can, but like this we can do both at the same time [11:57] yofel: how did you get the list-missing output? I don't find it into the buidlog (you have uploaded it to paste.k.o, I know, it's just for my future works) [11:58] bambee: you are using the kubuntu pbuilder hooks? [11:58] no... [11:58] :\ [11:58] bambee: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks [11:59] move that folder to ~/.pbuilder-hooks [11:59] ok thanks [11:59] bambee: and set OOKDIR="$HOME/.pbuilder-hooks" in your pbuilderrc [11:59] er, HOOKDIR [11:59] ok [11:59] B10list-missing will automatically run list-missing after the build finishes [12:00] ^^ be sure to double check that, it lists false positives quite alot sometimes [12:00] not that often, mostly compressed manpages and .pyc files [12:01] or someone didn't update not-installed :P [12:01] iirc it listed so files that i had already installed ^_^ [12:04] well yeah, do check if it lists false positives, but usually the output is ~right~ [12:09] look what I found http://i.imgur.com/ml8gz.jpg [12:10] :P [12:10] panda <3 i see [12:11] * apachelogger wonders how shadeslayer knows [12:11] they all look the same really [12:11] apachelogger: i mistook the RS 232 on the other end as VGA in that pic [12:12] the other end? [12:12] left hand side? [12:12] yus [12:12] ^^ [12:12] hehe ... camera connector ^_^ [12:12] incidentially enough that is 2 rs232 in one pic [12:12] largest accumulation since 1983 surely [12:13] heh [12:15] apachelogger: how is exactly upstream supposed to bump soname? [12:16] in a way that reflects the binary incompatibility they introduced :P [12:16] Quintasan: FWIW IMHO they should just revert [12:17] FWIW? [12:17] there is absolutely *no* reason whatsoever to retract an interface [12:17] deprecate maybe, but certainly not retract [12:17] Quintasan: for when I drink wine [12:18] you are missing a "D" then [12:18] oh [12:18] no [12:18] I misspelled [12:18] iDrink [12:18] that is how it be spelled [12:18] ok [12:19] How should I put that when writing to kopete-devel ml? [12:19] revert this change this instant or bump the so name? [12:20] revert change or we switch to telepathy :P [12:20] I don't see how that would be better... [12:20] kde rev 1225419 [12:20] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1225419&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1225419 | Increase notifications' pixmap size to match other KDE programs notifications' pixmap size. FIXED-IN: 4.7.0 [12:21] clearly the retraction was not useful at all [12:21] Quintasan: does you has kde dev account powas? [12:21] I do not [12:22] well then you must mail the peoples [12:22] and tell them to reintroduce the function [12:22] and mark it as deprecated [12:22] and you need to patchy it in [12:22] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libksane] Philip Muškovac * 1 * (13 files in 3 dirs) Add split packaging [12:22] for our packaging [12:22] so the symbol comes back [12:22] patch 4.6.90? :S [12:23] hai [12:23] bah, forgot to update the symbols file [12:23] + get upstream to fix it before 4.7 or I will come after them with me big army of phonon [12:23] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/92257 [12:24] and vanquish them, turn phonon into an IM abstraction and bring peace to the lands of spam [12:24] apachelogger: is it normal for upstream to ship headers generated by qdbusxml2cpp ? [12:24] Should that be enough for em to understand? [12:24] "Could you please reintroduce the function and mark it as deprecated so the symbols come back?" [12:24] I'd rephrase that to not use please :P [12:24] Why so? [12:25] otherwise they might not appreciate the graveness of that issue [12:25] and soon enough they will again rename a function neverminding ABI [12:25] That's all? [12:25] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libksane] Philip Muškovac * 2 * debian/libksane0.symbols update symbols file [12:25] just saying [12:25] * Quintasan wonders before pushing the SEND button [12:25] but I am also a rude person [12:25] so [12:25] ... [12:25] * Quintasan hits the button [12:25] shadeslayer: normal by what standard? [12:26] Quintasan: btw, you can simply use the new function they introduced [12:26] in your patch that is [12:26] Sent. [12:26] something like protocolIcon(KIconLoader::SizeSmall) [12:26] SizeSmall == 16 IIRC [12:27] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libksane] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/changelog fix changelog [12:33] apachelogger: normal by KDE/Qt standards [12:33] there is no such thing [12:40] apachelogger: well, isn't the ideal scenario that the headers are generated during build time from installed xml files? [12:43] apachelogger: Why should I bother maintaining THEIR code? [12:44] shadeslayer: sometimes [12:44] Quintasan: maintain their code? [12:44] nvm, I'm not going to do anything until I get a response [12:51] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksaneplugin] Rohan Garg * 4 * debian/control Add Breaks/Replaces for libksane0 and kdegraphics-dbg [12:53] Quintasan: so you rather have our whole packaging blocked by kdenetwork having perfeclty repairable symbol loss? [12:53] >implying I can't patch them later today if I don't get any response [12:54] bsides, we have some packages left to do [12:57] how does a response help with patching? :P [12:57] debfx: IIRC, you told that we can sync from debian's qtcreator isn't it? [12:57] apachelogger: new mallit \o/ [12:58] 0.80? [12:58] s/mallit/maliit/ [12:58] shadeslayer meant: "apachelogger: new maliit \o/" [12:58] didrocks: 0.80.2 [12:58] plugins are at 0.80.1 [12:58] shadeslayer: oh, and that one doesn't have the Bad XWindow error? :) [12:59] seeing as the Quintasan did not yet package the old one that aint going to much good? [12:59] I tried it for fun and got that a couple of days ago [12:59] i haz no idea, i just saw the mail on Meego dev :P [12:59] i wonder if it compiles with neon [12:59] * apachelogger goes swimming [13:00] apachelogger: enjoy :) [13:02] wtf [13:02] kturtle tarball is dirty i think [13:03] 0.o https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kturtle/repository/revisions/master/entry/file.txt [13:09] lol [13:10] shadeslayer: rofl, that's in git too [13:10] indeed it is [13:11] git blame FTW :P [13:13] * shadeslayer will ask annma later on [13:13] just send the committer a mail [13:13] didrocks: yes, but we need to add this patch to qtwebkit first: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/qt/qtwebkit.git;a=commit;h=caa8b5623bbf4d6be5de29b99efee7ae997fcf35 [13:15] yofel: already sent [13:16] then fine. Mailing people directly is usually 1000% more efficient than trying to get an answer on some ML... [13:17] debfx: I plan to do a Qt upload just after alpha2 freeze, do you want me to include that patch? [13:18] didrocks: it's a patch for qtwebkit [13:19] debfx: or right, which is not anymore part of qt then. That's confusing :) [13:20] debfx: so, just after alpha2? do you want me to do it? [13:20] debfx: we will need an additional patch to get qmldesigner working btw [13:20] seems that fabo isn't there [13:22] didrocks: I can do the qtwebkit upload since I want to update it to 2.2 anyway [13:22] debfx: excellent, keep me in touch (at least by mail if you can't do it on thursday) as I won't be online next week [13:23] then, qtcreator needs to ship qmlpuppet to get qmldesigner working [13:24] did anyone else see the mail where they're depreciating QtWebkit API and switching to QtWebkit2 in the future [13:25] didrocks: ok [13:25] debfx: also, while you are there, nothing is depending in sqlite2 anymore (apart from the kubuntu-full seed that pitti remove), I have a staging change in the Qt branch to remove this package so that only -sqlite (which is sqlite 3) works [13:25] it's just a matter of removing the old package and the old dep [13:26] (the sqlite2 build-dep is NBS) [13:27] shadeslayer: yes, I hope someone will step up to continue maintain the current qtwebkit [13:27] debfx: yeah, atleast for a while so that isn't major borkage all around [13:30] didrocks: why is it NBS? the sqlite package hasn't been removed [13:31]