[01:06] <bazhang> * [tempore] (41310e0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.49.14.12): 65.49.14.12    trolly-troll
[01:06] <bazhang> D3Mc4, hi
[01:17] <bazhang> now thedictators
[01:17] <bazhang> D3Mc4, was there anything you needed here?
[01:20] <bazhang> gohdan, hi
[01:21] <gohdan> there are random bots on comcast networks popping into #ubuntu dropping unicode
[01:21] <bazhang> gohdan, yep, seen that. thanks for the heads up
[01:21] <gohdan> np.
[01:27] <flyback> yeah well I am going to ask in here anyways cause I don't give a shit either way
[01:27] <flyback> what's the command line to force the installer to stick to a certain cpu arch
[01:27] <bazhang> flyback, ask what
[01:28] <bazhang> flyback, this is not a support channel. try askubuntu.com or the forums perhaps
[01:28] <flyback> yeh well I asked for the hell of it
[01:28] <flyback> I am done
[01:28] <bazhang> tsimpson, thanks
[01:29] <bazhang> any reason the gateway client for tempore would be able to rejoin even though the floodbot banned his IP?
[01:29] <bazhang> flyback, ok then. was there anything else?
[01:29] <bazhang> guess not
[01:30] <tsimpson> bazhang: because the gateway mask isn't banned
[01:30] <bazhang> he was able to rejoin the channel as thedictators but did not speak that I saw
[01:30] <tsimpson> the bot's just don't give them an +e
[01:30] <bazhang> tsimpson, so effectively muted?
[01:30] <tsimpson> yeah
[01:30] <bazhang> thanks!
[01:31] <tsimpson> all webchat clients are muted by a +q, the bots just set an +e after checking the real IP/host isn't banned
[01:31] <bazhang> and a quick check of -monitor would answer that; d'oh!
[01:31] <bazhang> need more coffee
[01:41] <bazhang> * [ANONYMOUSIP] (41310e4e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.49.14.78): 65.49.14.78
[01:41] <bazhang> could it be the VPN in wine guy?
[01:46] <tsimpson> I guess "yes"
[01:55] <bazhang> heh
[01:55] <h00k> oi
[01:56] <bazhang> this is like the larstorben version of ubuntu vpn
[01:56] <bazhang> the #winehq folks have told him very clearly that vpn via wine does not work. and he openly admitted he was trolling there
[01:58] <tsimpson> the VPN stuff would need relatively "low level" access to network APIs, so wine was never going to work
[02:03] <h00k> bazhang: I think thetrue is the VPN wineguy again
[02:04] <bazhang> h00k, ya think?
[02:04] <bazhang> trying to PM him and get him to part
[02:04] <h00k> bazhang: :D alright, I was aobut to do the same, I'll let you do that
[02:15] <bazhang> * thetrue has quit (Quit: Page closed)
[02:25] <h00k> ldunn: I was going to say, if you feel like you need any more, feel free
[02:25] <h00k> I opened a /query with smallfoot-
[02:26] <bazhang> waste 'o time
[02:26] <ldunn> Probably.
[02:26] <bazhang> his bt history goes back *years*
[02:27] <bazhang> he has to be reminded every time that the support and development channels are *not* complaint/rant channels. and is surprised *every* time.
[02:27] <h00k> I'll pastebin/bt the convo when I'm finished, we'll see how it goes
[02:29] <h00k> @login
[02:29] <h00k> @btlogin
[02:30] <h00k> addd comment
[02:32] <bazhang> ...@mark ?
[02:32] <h00k> I didn't...no...
[02:32] <h00k> I forget @mark syntax.
[02:34] <IdleOne> @mark #channel stuff goes here
[02:34] <h00k> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic smallfoot- inappropriate conversations
[02:34] <h00k> ta-da
[02:36] <IdleOne> you can do that in PM with the bot also if you prefer
[02:38] <h00k> I can, yeah. that worked
[02:38] <h00k> too lazy to change channels
[03:00] <h00k> not messing around.
[03:02] <bazhang> the repeater bot madgirl (and now madkid) are being run from #ubuntu-cn
[03:02] <bazhang> just PMd the owner and he had it part.
[03:02] <bazhang> madgirl was forwarded here from #ubuntu
[04:15] <bazhang> change that to a straight ban?
[04:29] <DougJ> tonyyarusso, okay, so...
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> @bansearch dougj
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> Is that the right syntax?  I have no idea.
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> @btsearch dougj
[04:29] <DougJ> uhh... it should be under Arch_NME tha's the nick I usally use
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> grr
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> @login
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> hellooooooooo bot
[04:30] <DougJ> hi
[04:30] <h00k> tonyyarusso: login first, then btlogin ;)
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> h00k: login didn't respond either.
[04:30] <h00k> tonyyarusso: :( standby
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> DougJ: Hold on while we fuss with technical issues :P
[04:31] <DougJ> I'm holdin on
[04:31] <ldunn> slowbottu
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> 'bout time
[04:32] <h00k> holy smokes, having a hard time getting the web interface up, too
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> I'm not an anonymous user your stupid bantracker :(
[04:33] <DougJ> huh?
[04:33] <DougJ> oh you're talking to the bot
[04:34] <h00k> DougJ: do you understand why you were banned?
[04:34] <DougJ> yeah
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> DougJ: I'm hoping IdleOne will show up, but we can chat a bit about it.  Was about to say the same as h00k.
[04:34] <h00k> DougJ: and why is this?
[04:34] <DougJ> I asked if anyone was from new zealand
[04:34] <DougJ> twice
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> and then?
[04:35] <DougJ> that's it
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> No it's not.
[04:35] <DougJ> honestly
[04:35] <h00k> DougJ: #ubuntu is for support related questions only, I'm looking at the log right now, there's more to it
[04:35] <DougJ> yeah it is what do you mean
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> 13:33:50 < arch_nme> jsut stop talking to me if you are not from new zealand
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> 13:44:37 < arch_nme> IdleOne, please don't make comments to me in this channel that are not related to the channel topic
[04:36] <DougJ> nah, that's it really, I asked if anyone was from new zealand and then did it again
[04:36] <h00k> DougJ: you were told where to go for this, as well as the purpose of #ubuntu
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> You started off by asking if someone was from NZ.
[04:36] <DougJ> yeah I know
[04:36] <DougJ> I remember what happen
[04:36] <DougJ> yes I did
[04:37] <DougJ> then I was warned not to do that
[04:37] <DougJ> then I did it again and he banned me
[04:37] <h00k> DougJ: you failed to follow where you were directed to go to find this information
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> But then you also were pretty rude to the rest of the channel, and then IdleOne in particular, which was totally unnecessary.
[04:37] <DougJ> h00k, that's not true
[04:37] <DougJ> h00k, I did go to the new zealand channel and it was empty
[04:38] <DougJ> tonyyarusso, that is true, but he was being pretty rude to me also
[04:38] <h00k> DougJ: That doesn't make #ubuntu the appropriate channel to find people from NZ
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> Your first "anyone from NZ" was at 13:28 our time, the second at 13:31, your third at 13:42, but you weren't banned until 13:44.
[04:38] <DougJ> h00k, yes I understand that
[04:38] <DougJ> tonyyarusso, and??
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> DougJ: That's a good implication that the ban wasn't just for that question.
[04:39] <DougJ> what else would it be for?
[04:39] <DougJ> that's the only thing I even said anythign about
[04:39] <bazhang> other ops warned as well
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> The two lines I pasted.
[04:39] <DougJ> look I won't ask anymore questions about where anyone is from
[04:39] <DougJ> my word
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> Those are more problematic than the three asking where people are from, imo.
[04:39] <DougJ> tonyyarusso, those lines were related to that topic
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> Related, yes, and making it worse.
[04:40] <DougJ> yes, they warned me not to ask about new zeland I did it anyway, then I was an ass about it
[04:40] <DougJ> you jsut want to hear me say I'm an asshole
[04:40] <DougJ> ??
[04:40] <DougJ> I am
[04:40] <DougJ> there
[04:40] <DougJ> sorry
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> Well, if that's just what you are, why would we want to let you back in the channel?
[04:41] <h00k> DougJ: we're looking to make sure you understood what you did isn't acceptable, and that it doesn't happen again. ^ see above question
[04:41] <DougJ> I just can't win...
[04:41] <DougJ> I acknowledged that
[04:42] <h00k> DougJ: also, have you checked out the LoCo directory?
[04:43] <h00k> !loco | DougJ
[04:43] <DougJ> no what's that?
[04:43] <h00k> DougJ: that may help you find people in your local area
[04:43] <DougJ> well thank you, however I'm not worried about that at this time
[04:44] <h00k> tonyyarusso, bazhang: are you two comfortable with me removing the ban in #ubuntu?
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure I am, really.  Since IdleOne set it, I'd want things to be pretty clear to remove, and I'm not sure we're there yet.
[04:45] <h00k> I understand.
[04:46] <DougJ> you know that was like a month ago or something right
[04:46] <DougJ> just saying
[04:46] <h00k> DougJ: it was June 24
[04:46] <DougJ> oh....
[04:46] <DougJ> that is technically last month :)
[04:47] <DougJ> still it's been a while
[04:47] <DougJ> the point being I've calmed down and matured greatly since that time
[04:47] <DougJ> and honestly what I did wasn't that bad in the first place
[04:48] <DougJ> but regardless I've learned my lesson and won't do it again
[04:48] <h00k> DougJ: I do agree with tonyyarusso on this, can you check back in a few hours, perhaps tomorrow, to see if IdleOne is available to clear this up?
[04:48] <DougJ> I suppose that's more a directive than an actual question eh?
[04:48] <h00k> He should have enough hilights to follow up on the conversatio, but it makes sense since he's the one that set the ban
[04:48] <h00k> DougJ: yeah, in retrospect, I suppose you're correct :)
[04:49] <h00k> DougJ: maybe he'll /query you, I'm not sure.
[04:49] <IdleOne> DougJ: the reason I banned you is because it was made clear by several people that you were being off topic, also your smart mouth comment to me and others about not addressing you unless it was related to the channel topic while you were being off topic. I am not going to remove the ban at this time because you don't seem to understand that we have rules and you need to follow them.
[04:49] <bazhang> he'll need to rejoin here
[04:49] <bazhang> whoops
[04:49] <h00k> oh hi!
[04:50] <DougJ> IdleOne, how do you figure I don't seem to understand?
[04:50] <IdleOne> !guidelines > DougJ
[04:50] <IdleOne> !codeofconduct > DougJ
[04:50] <IdleOne> DougJ: read the links the bot just sent you and come back in 48 hours.
[04:50] <DougJ> IdleOne, quiz me
[04:50] <DougJ> IdleOne, I bet I will pass right now
[04:51] <IdleOne> Not playing any games with you. see you in 48 hours. Good night.
[04:51] <DougJ> it's nto a game
[04:51] <DougJ> there is question as to whether I understand the rules and I'm offering a way to ersolve that question
[04:51] <DougJ> seems fair enough
[04:51] <bazhang> DougJ, yep.
[04:52] <bazhang> see you in 48hrs
[04:52] <DougJ> probably not
[04:52] <bazhang> or later, thats fine
[04:52] <DougJ> what's so not later about right now
[04:53] <DougJ> again this was two weeks ago this incident occured
[04:56] <IdleOne> DougJ: Please part this channel we are done for the next 48 hours. thank you.
[06:05] <Flannel> Hi D3Mc4-, how can we help you?
[06:59] <bazhang> does Microsoft distribute windows 7 as iso?
[06:59] <rww> yes
[07:00] <rww> probably not to normal consumers, though
[07:03] <popey> http://emea.microsoftstore.com/UK/en-GB/Microsoft/Windows/Windows-7
[07:03] <popey> seems aimed at consumers to me
[07:03] <rww> British people aren't normal yo :3
[07:04] <rww> but yeah, that's what I get for assuming :(
[07:06] <jpds> rww: Who is?
[07:10] <Tm_T> rww == normal; !rww == !normal
[07:10]  * Tm_T hides
[07:11] <rww> Tm_T: I'm British :P
[07:12] <Tm_T> bah, so nobody is normal then ):
[07:44] <ikonia> can someone please remove D3Mc4- he's been hear for over an hour
[07:45] <ikonia> thank you
[08:42]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow
[08:44] <Tm_T> interesting output
[08:46] <Myrtti> indeed
[08:58] <Tm_T> if he returns, I think best instruction what he can have is "write everything down in a form of letter" or something that forces creating proper sentences
[08:58] <Tm_T> hmmm, apparently he did think of that himself already (:
[12:09] <bazhang> ledjo is not making much sense
[12:10] <Pici> Hes trying to install XP over ethernet, but for some reason that has to do with Ubuntu detecting his usb something?
[12:11] <bazhang> not sure. he's been at it for 12+ hours if my clocks are working
[12:13] <bazhang> oh right. he wants to stream stuff to or from his psp.
[12:26] <bazhang> that hurt! :(
[12:27] <Pici> bazhang: I'm not listening. Someone told me to ignore you.
[12:27] <bazhang> :/
[12:28] <bazhang> oof!
[12:28] <Pici> no surprise there
[12:28] <Pici> I'm considering setting a banforward here.
[12:28] <bazhang> sounds good
[12:29] <bazhang> oh wait, I'm on /ignore
[12:29] <Pici> sshh! I'm ignoring you ;)
[12:43] <jussi> anyone know what the -eo channel in -irc is about?
[12:44] <Tm_T> no idea
[12:44] <Tm_T> esperanto?
[12:47] <LjL> it should be esperanto
[12:48] <jussi> Does anyone here speak esperanto?
[12:48] <bazhang> hetyr
[12:49] <bazhang> just kidding, no
[12:51] <LjL> [14:49:29] <airon90> eo is Esperanto language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto)
[12:51] <LjL> [14:49:46] <airon90> @Bazhang
[12:52] <jussi> LjL: yeah, he mentioned in -irc also
[12:52] <bazhang> LjL, yep, I parted before I saw that
[13:01] <Pici> I don't see a reason why they shouldn't have a channel.
[13:02] <LjL> well it's atypical as channels are generally for countries, not languages, but then i always thought it made more sense for them to be for languages, at least the support ones. and we already have the -cat precedent.
[13:03] <Pici> Also, it already exists.
[13:03] <jussi> and -es
[13:04] <jpds> People speak that pretend language?
[13:05] <jussi> jpds: be nice
[13:05] <LjL> jpds: you mean catalan?
[13:05]  * LjL runs
[13:05] <Pici> #ubuntu-loglan?
[13:09] <Tm_T> jpds: one finnish (now ex) parliament member is having his website in klingon
[13:10] <jpds> Tm_T: Heh.
[13:11] <jussi> Tm_T: yeah, but that guy is crazy
[13:12] <Tm_T> is not
[13:13] <jussi> Tm_T: sorry, that was meant to have :P on it ;)
[13:24] <Pici> Python is at it again
[14:24] <Python> Hi all, I'm just wondering how to become an op if possible. Can anyone tell me please ?
[14:24] <Pici> !canibeanop | Python
[14:26] <Python> ok thanks have a nice day :)
[14:28] <Tm_T> Python: something we can help you with at this time?
[14:28] <Python> What are advantages for being an op ?
[14:29] <Tm_T> none
[14:30] <genii-around> Getting yelled at abusively a lot.
[14:31] <popey> having people find out where you live/work and abusing you in real life..
[14:31] <Python> Do I need advanced knowledge ?
[14:31] <popey> you need a thick skin
[14:32] <Python> lol
[14:33] <Pici> If you have a history of being helpful in our channels, and are around during the hours that we need coverage as well as not being a problem user (or at least not for a *long* time), then you're already well on your way to being considered.
[14:34] <Python> hmm ok I'll think about that :).
[14:37] <jrib> Pici: come on, you haven't memorized the kernel's source yet...?
[14:37] <ikonia> Pici: is rubbish
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[14:38]  * jrib nods
[14:38] <ikonia> anyone knows all that stuff
[15:11] <bazhang> anyone get peterhil`?
[15:15] <jpds> bazhang: He wants .adobe .bazaar .cache to all come before archive/ books/ music/ rather than in between?
[15:15] <bazhang> jpds, okay
[15:15] <jpds> ... I think.
[15:36] <bazhang> Wiallim> ubottu: 你咋知道我一定时中国人》哈
[15:36] <bazhang> telling the bot: you know I'm chinese, heh
[15:37]  * charlie-tca thinks that bot knows everything!
[15:37]  * h00k sips coffee
[15:38] <LjL> i can read 哈! also, 中国人. and 一
[15:39] <bazhang> yidin but he miswrote shi (to be) as shi (time)
[15:39] <bazhang> -cn aol speak I guess
[15:40] <jpds> bazhang: You have AOL in China?
[15:41] <bazhang> jpds, I'll move to China and ask!
[15:41] <LjL> bazhang: isn't 时 also the most overall common character, pronounced as something else, or am i confusing it with another?
[15:41] <bazhang> LjL, that one is time. the other one same sound is to be or be
[15:42] <LjL> ah i must have been thinking of 的
[15:43] <bazhang> de
[15:43] <h00k> I often get those confused. An easy mistake to make.
[15:43] <bazhang> or of
[15:44] <LjL> h00k: one has a h00k, the other doesn't!
[15:44] <h00k> LjL: clearly!
[15:50] <bazhang> glda seems to ask this every day now
[15:51]  * genii-around sips his coffee
[16:19] <Pici> Lots of people installing gnome3 lately.
[16:20] <bazhang> first nice one I've seen
[16:22] <bazhang> he's using linode
[16:26] <bazhang> bruteforce a 256 long character password
[16:27] <Pici> o.O
[16:27] <bazhang> quantum computer!
[16:43] <Pici> aaahh
[16:44] <ikonia> not happy with people giving out random and not thought through advice
[16:44] <Pici> Me either
[16:44] <ikonia> why not try a 3.0 kernel ?? why ??? what do you think that will do ?
[16:44] <rww> it's one bigger
[16:45] <ikonia> honestly, he wants to update his kernel on a "hunch"
[17:10] <Pici> ikonia: talking with them?
[17:10] <ikonia> talking to tilerendering in pm to get him to stop with the language
[17:24] <Pici> whoa
[17:25] <ikonia> had a few smart responses to reasonable questions, when I asked him to stop giving me silly responses or smart mouth responses he claimed it was an insult and I should unban him or a log will appear "somewhere"
[17:26] <ikonia> at that point I've ended all communication and kept a log of the conversation
[17:27] <tilerendering> hello
[17:27] <tilerendering> I would like to report a problem with a #ubuntu operator
[17:27] <LjL> hi
[17:27] <tilerendering> who can I mail for that, the log pretty much says it all.
[17:28] <rww> !appeals
[17:29] <tilerendering> thanks - can I paste a pastebin url for the conversation with the operator here ?
[17:30] <LjL> yes
[17:33] <hypatia> tilerendering: if possible, attach it as a textfile - pastebins can expire
[17:34] <tilerendering> hm yes but the page you referred to says I should first discuss the issue here
[17:34] <tilerendering> so I guess the pastebin log is more handy first
[17:35] <tilerendering> so here would be the url: http://pastebin.com/N49tyv3E
[17:43] <rww> tilerendering: alrighty, here's the deal. As ikonia told you, we limit language use in #ubuntu rather severely. I see in that log that you're okay with following that policy in the future. Have you read our IRC Guidelines and Code of Conduct? If not, I can provide you with links to them so you're aware of the rest of our policies.
[17:45] <rww> and if you're fine with following all of them, including the one about following directions from ubottu factoids and channel operators, then I'll unban you and hope that's the end of it :)
[17:53] <tilerendering> perfect
[17:54] <rww> !guidelines
[17:54] <rww> !coc
[17:54] <rww> let me know if/when you've read those and agree to follow them, and I'll remove the ban
[18:00] <tilerendering> I read them, though some are quite subjectively interpretable, it´s ok - they are quite normal. I just didn´t expect that saying "crap" or omfg is offensive enough to be muted
[18:02] <rww> Indeed. You can always ask us if you need clarification and (as was the case in #ubuntu earlier), we generally warn before banning outright. Anyways, I'll go remove your ban now, one sec.
[18:03] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-ops tilerendering agreed to follow !guidelines and !coc, removing #ubuntu ban
[18:03] <rww> tilerendering: alrighty, can you try /join #ubuntu to make sure I did it right, please?
[18:08] <Pici> oCean: fyi, toothpick had a mint cd in his sources.list earlier, I got him to remove it, but I'm not sure if there were other problems.
[18:09] <oCean> thx
[18:09] <tilerendering> rww - works thanks !
[18:13] <rww> shiny. okay, one last standard disclaimer: removing bans the second time around tends to be harder, so please keep that in mind while using #ubuntu. That said, have a good day, and good luck if you're still experiencing technical problems (though it appears you've sorted them out) :)
[18:32] <oCean> tilerendering: if there's nothing more we can help you with, please part the channel
[18:33] <tilerendering> alright, see you soon
[20:27] <rww> !rtfm > o0_0o
[20:33] <Pici> ikonia: someone was in #ubuntu earlier today asking about that same package, they had dapper repositories enabled on their lucid install.
[20:33] <maco> meep
[20:33] <ikonia> yeah, I remember cacti getting merged
[20:33] <Pici> It might even be the same person, I don't recall.
[20:33] <ikonia> tyreza
[20:49] <rww> !u > lookin4
[20:49] <ikonia> that really annoys me, he can see people talking "anyone there" - no what do you think you're watching
[20:50] <rww> I guess it also serves as a "I don't know how to IRC; is this message going through?"
[20:50] <rww> but yeah, is a bit silly
[20:50] <rww> oh, they asked a question before that. nvm then.
[20:51] <ikonia> that annoys me too - "ah well, seems like no-one can help me" trying to get pity help
[20:51] <ikonia> "guess I best go back to windows"
[20:51] <Tm_T> ikonia: noo, don't jump!
[20:51] <rww> indeed. both of those attitudes generally cause me to not answer even if I do know :|
[20:51] <ikonia> rww: sadly myself too
[21:40] <Corey> Tame channel so far today.
[22:54] <elky> don't jinx it!