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| knightwise | morning everyone | 05:27 |
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| MartijnVdS | Ssh! Speak Flemish.. or he'll understand us! :P | 05:30 |
| knightwise | LOL | 05:30 |
| knightwise | morning martijn | 05:30 |
| MartijnVdS | \o knightwise | 05:30 |
| knightwise | hmmz , i moved my automated twidge jobs to another server , and now they appear NOT to work :( | 05:31 |
| knightwise | its not the scripts , they work fine manualy , i just dont know if the crontab works | 05:31 |
| MartijnVdS | do you get emails from cron? | 05:32 |
| knightwise | no , i dont think so | 05:32 |
| MartijnVdS | is there anything in /var/log about cron doing its thing? | 05:32 |
| knightwise | nothing in there that says cron or anything | 05:33 |
| MartijnVdS | knightwise: is cron running? (ps ax) | 05:33 |
| knightwise | yep | 05:34 |
| knightwise | 8794 ? | 05:34 |
| MartijnVdS | try restarting it | 05:34 |
| MartijnVdS | also, check if the job really is there using crontab -e | 05:34 |
| knightwise | yep , did both | 05:35 |
| knightwise | wait , lets check the time on my machine | 05:35 |
| knightwise | time on the machine is correct | 05:36 |
| knightwise | 15 2 * * 1 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1 | 05:36 |
| knightwise | these are the lines for example | 05:36 |
| MartijnVdS | knightwise: is the script executable? | 05:37 |
| MartijnVdS | knightwise: ls -l /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1 | 05:37 |
| knightwise | -rwxr-xr-x 1 knightwise knightwise 181 2011-07-05 21:31 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1 | 05:38 |
| MartijnVdS | knightwise: it's only running at 2:15 in the morning, and the only if it's Monday | 05:38 |
| MartijnVdS | which might be why it didn't run last night.. | 05:38 |
| knightwise | i know | 05:39 |
| knightwise | but i also have this one | 05:39 |
| knightwise | 30 7 * * 1,2,3,4,5 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/goodmorning | 05:40 |
| knightwise | that one didn"t run either | 05:40 |
| MartijnVdS | knightwise: grep CRON /var/log/syslog doesn't return anything? | 05:40 |
| knightwise | nope | 05:41 |
| knightwise | blank line :( | 05:41 |
| MartijnVdS | Mine returns an anacron run every hour at least.. | 05:41 |
| MartijnVdS | you can try restarting cron | 05:41 |
| MartijnVdS | sudo invoke-rc.d cron restart | 05:41 |
| knightwise | tried that too with sudo restart cron | 05:43 |
| MartijnVdS | I think you need "service" in there (service restart cron) | 05:43 |
| MartijnVdS | You can make a small cron job like this: | 05:43 |
| MartijnVdS | * * * * * /bin/echo "HI THERE!" | 05:43 |
| MartijnVdS | then your mailbox should fill up.. | 05:44 |
| knightwise | ok , i'll try | 05:44 |
| knightwise | just did your restart line and rescheduled the job for 7 45 | 05:44 |
| knightwise | lets see if it turns up in the feed | 05:44 |
| MartijnVdS | tail -f /var/log/syslog.1 | 05:44 |
| MartijnVdS | uhr | 05:44 |
| MartijnVdS | tail -f /var/log/syslog | 05:44 |
| MartijnVdS | oh good idea.. check if your logs have been rotated :) | 05:45 |
| MartijnVdS | if they have, cron is working at least a little | 05:45 |
| knightwise | Jul 6 07:45:01 nostromo CRON[9318]: (knightwise) CMD (/home/knightwise/twitterscripts/goodmorning) | 05:46 |
| knightwise | Jul 6 07:45:03 nostromo CRON[9315]: (CRON) error (grandchild #9318 failed with exit status 1) | 05:46 |
| knightwise | Jul 6 07:45:03 nostromo CRON[9315]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output) | 05:46 |
| knightwise | no mta installed ? | 05:46 |
| MartijnVdS | mail transfer agent | 05:58 |
| MartijnVdS | postfix, nullmailer, etc. | 05:58 |
| knightwise | should not be a reason for failure | 06:00 |
| knightwise | weird | 06:01 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 06:01 |
| MartijnVdS | but it's trying to tell you what's wrong | 06:01 |
| MartijnVdS | and it can't | 06:01 |
| MartijnVdS | because it can't send mail | 06:01 |
| knightwise | sudo apt-get install mta won't do the trick i think | 06:02 |
| MartijnVdS | knightwise: no, you need to choose and configure one | 06:04 |
| MartijnVdS | knightwise: like nullmailer (very simple program that doesn't do much, except send mail if your machine needs to | 06:05 |
| MartijnVdS | postfix is also available, but it's a monster to configure | 06:05 |
| MartijnVdS | same with exim, sendmail, etc. | 06:05 |
| MartijnVdS | you can also change your cron job to be something like this: | 06:07 |
| MartijnVdS | /path/to/your/cronjob >> $HOME/some_logfile 2>&1 | 06:08 |
| MartijnVdS | then it'll create (and append to) that file for every run | 06:08 |
| MartijnVdS | and you can read the errors there | 06:08 |
| MartijnVdS | knightwise: ^ | 06:08 |
| knightwise | no mta installed ? holdon | 06:08 |
| knightwise | i'll try that | 06:08 |
| knightwise | ok | 06:11 |
| knightwise | it creates the file , | 06:11 |
| knightwise | there is however nothing in it | 06:12 |
| MartijnVdS | your script should be more verbose then ;) | 06:12 |
| MartijnVdS | off to work! | 06:12 |
| knightwise | thanx :) i'll try looking around a little more :) | 06:13 |
| knightwise | thanx again martijn | 06:13 |
| malcolm_ | hay do any of you guys know what is ment by | 06:14 |
| malcolm_ | FATAL: Module rt2800lib is in use | 06:15 |
| malcolm_ | when i was trying to install drivers | 06:15 |
| malcolm_ | using the command make wlunload | 06:15 |
| malcolm_ | was trying to like install patched drivers | 06:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hey cool - Giant Wombats on steroids! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14040349 | 06:23 |
| popey | Morning all | 06:23 |
| malcolm_ | damn so hard to find the right info sometimes : ( | 06:25 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: sounds like a made for TV film staring some actors who used to be famous | 06:28 |
| popey | malcolm_: why are you "trying to like install patched drivers"? | 06:32 |
| malcolm_ | um | 06:40 |
| malcolm_ | trying to see if i can get somthing to work | 06:40 |
| popey | thats somewhat vague | 06:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | 'somewhat' being the understatement of the day so far ;-) | 06:42 |
| malcolm_ | ive been messing about with aircrack-ng | 06:44 |
| malcolm_ | and i keep running into a problem | 06:44 |
| malcolm_ | when i try to connect to my ap | 06:44 |
| malcolm_ | i get | 06:44 |
| malcolm_ | well keep getting put on channel -1 | 06:44 |
| malcolm_ | and the patch fixes this | 06:44 |
| daubers | Morning | 06:49 |
| malcolm_ | but im having modual loading problems it seems | 06:49 |
| AlanBell | malcolm_: you probably need to unload the active module first | 06:50 |
| malcolm_ | yeah i'm not sure how to do that yet : ) | 06:50 |
| AlanBell | you do realise you are going to end up with a system with broken networking? | 06:50 |
| AlanBell | rmmod unloads modules | 06:51 |
| malcolm_ | well i can always just uninstall the drivers | 06:51 |
| knightwise | mornin everyone | 07:00 |
| daubers | o/ | 07:01 |
| knightwise | forgive me my friends for i have sinned | 07:03 |
| knightwise | i have installed .. linux minr | 07:03 |
| knightwise | t | 07:03 |
| knightwise | and .. i like it | 07:03 |
| _serial_ | add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next (or firefox-stable depending on your pref) :) | 07:13 |
| AlanBell | knightwise: but it is just Ubuntu with the media codecs installed right? | 07:13 |
| knightwise | yes | 07:14 |
| knightwise | but i am looking at the rolling debian isntall too | 07:14 |
| _serial_ | you choose when on install when to install the media codecs, mint also gives you the ability to install on the welcome screen | 07:14 |
| hoover | morning all | 07:29 |
| popey | AlanBell: there are other bits they have too | 07:35 |
| popey | AlanBell: like a different menu, and a backup tool | 07:35 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 07:44 |
| AlanBell | o/ czajkowski | 07:48 |
| AlanBell | I just broke a hard drive :( | 07:49 |
| AlanBell | external enclosure, dropped it maybe 30cm onto carpet | 07:49 |
| czajkowski | well done | 07:49 |
| czajkowski | not a good start to the day AlanBell | 07:49 |
| AlanBell | not the best, but it was only backups | 07:50 |
| czajkowski | oh would ye all like a laugh | 07:51 |
| czajkowski | it again involved delays and trains going fecked up to get me home to ireland again like at xmas | 07:52 |
| czajkowski | though not to the same extent | 07:52 |
| czajkowski | karma gods seem to think it's funny | 07:52 |
| czajkowski | arrived at london bridge at 3:30 for 4:05 train no train driver till 4:30 | 07:55 |
| czajkowski | my 6:50 flight didnt take off till 8:15 when it should have been landing | 07:55 |
| czajkowski | amusing i can fly anywhere with no delays except to ireland | 07:55 |
| shauno | last time I flew to the UK, aer fungus were flying every 2 hours, but running 2 hours late | 07:57 |
| shauno | so everything looked like it was on time :/ | 07:57 |
| AlanBell | yay, external enclosure now has 500GB sata drive fitted | 08:09 |
| JGJones | czajkowski, I seem to be lucky then - when I was living in N.Ireland - I didn't get any delays etc, in fact my planes nearly always arrived early. Once I arrived a day late though - I got on the wrong train | 08:13 |
| czajkowski | JGJones: it never happned me before till xmas and since then every time there has been some delay | 08:14 |
| czajkowski | anoying as i'm always early | 08:14 |
| JGJones | Ah that might be where you're going wrong ;-) I always turn up "just in time" ;-) | 08:15 |
| czajkowski | heh | 08:16 |
| hoover | heh, interesting flamewar between the LAS and Linux Outlaws guys ;-) | 08:18 |
| * hoover gets himself some popcorn | 08:18 | |
| AlanBell | is it on identi.ca by any chance? | 08:21 |
| popey | hah | 08:23 |
| popey | is this due to one person saying in Linux Format that Linux Outlaws is the best linux based podcast? | 08:24 |
| * popey notes that UUPC got a brief mention as "useful for distro hoppers" | 08:24 | |
| popey | which I find somewhat odd | 08:24 |
| * jpds watches popey install Gentoo while he's at it. | 08:24 | |
| danfish_ | morning | 08:27 |
| danfish_ | note to self - "scp foo* dest && rm foo*" good | 08:28 |
| wintellect | popey: what was odd about it? That you're classed as "useful" or that it was only a "brief mention"? :P | 08:28 |
| danfish_ | "scp foo* dest & rm foo*" not so good :( | 08:28 |
| hoover | popey: yep | 08:29 |
| AlanBell | wintellect: the "distro hoppers" bit | 08:29 |
| hoover | I thought the whole thing was a bit tongue in cheek to begin with ;-) | 08:29 |
| AlanBell | if anything uupc is useless for distro hoppers as it doesn't talk much about other distros | 08:30 |
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| popey | wintellect: its a uk magazine, and barely mentioned a UK podcast that has had ~1.5 million downloads over 4 years | 08:34 |
| knightwise | hey everyone :) | 08:34 |
| popey | however, its just one guy who did the review | 08:34 |
| popey | and he doesn't seem to give a toss | 08:34 |
| popey | AlanBell: we have interviewed people from red hat and centos fwiw | 08:35 |
| dwatkins | heh, I'd forgotten about the concept of "swapiness" until just now... :) | 08:36 |
| dwatkins | great name | 08:36 |
| daubers | Good podcasts seem quite hard to come by | 08:41 |
| daubers | LO == Fab ranting with Dan trying to be sensible for an hour and a half.... been so long since I listened to LAS can't remember why I passed on it | 08:42 |
| * daubers grabs a recent ep | 08:42 | |
| popey | The great thing about Linux podcasts ... | 08:43 |
| * popey decides to tweet this instead of here :D | 08:43 | |
| hoover | hehe | 08:43 |
| popey | http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/88528616102699009 | 08:44 |
| popey | there we go | 08:44 |
| dwatkins | heh, yeah, choice is good - most of the time ;) | 08:47 |
| JGJones | Hmm...when you pasted that URL... | 08:48 |
| oimon | have never listened to linux outlaws | 08:48 |
| JGJones | I looked at my phone | 08:48 |
| oimon | got abotu 5 minutes into 1 show and thought it was very ....meh | 08:48 |
| JGJones | instead of opening it in browser....the habit of checking twitter via phone is strong :) | 08:48 |
| hoover | I think all shows have their place | 08:48 |
| hoover | I even managed to ignore Fab's terrible accent and swearing after a while | 08:49 |
| Myrtti | oimon: +1 | 08:49 |
| daubers | hoover: That just made me angry :( | 08:49 |
| dwatkins | I found the Security Now podcast interesting, although it's not OS-specific it has some interesting stuff about networking and security | 08:49 |
| oimon | i don't like to listen to people who swear a lot. which is why i disliked lugradio, just sounded like loads of drunk guys in a room swearing a lot | 08:50 |
| hoover | daubers: what exactly? Something I said? | 08:51 |
| daubers | hoover: No, the constant swearing in lo | 08:51 |
| daubers | After a certain point it just seems to imply that the people doing so can't make their point effectivley using acceptable english. | 08:52 |
| popey | Pip pip! | 08:52 |
| popey | We have had complaints about inappropriate language on uupc ☺ | 08:52 |
| popey | well, _A_ complaint | 08:52 |
| popey | because someone said "damn" I think | 08:52 |
| knightwise | seriously ? | 08:53 |
| knightwise | and thats bad ? | 08:53 |
| popey | Some religious people think so, yes. | 08:53 |
| knightwise | oh please | 08:53 |
| * oimon wonders if the regular messages from the major are always the last thing in the show..then i know i can stop listening when the najor comes on and won't miss anything else | 08:53 | |
| knightwise | for christ sake ! :p | 08:53 |
| popey | now now ☺ | 08:54 |
| popey | well, on the ubuntu-users list I found out recently that "w*nker" is seen as a very tame word down-under | 08:54 |
| popey | whereas in the UK it's seen as quite a sweary word | 08:54 |
| * knightwise has nothing againt religious fanatics or anyone else with imaginary voices in their heads telling them what to do | 08:54 | |
| popey | those silly colonies and their misuse of our langiage ;) | 08:54 |
| * popey shrugs | 08:54 | |
| hoover | popey: religious people.... *sigh* | 08:55 |
| * hoover looks forward to his place at the foot of the beer volcano eventually | 08:56 | |
| * knightwise sends his praise to the flying spaghetti monster ! Ooooh-Maaahh OOOO-Maaahh | 08:56 | |
| hoover | lol | 08:57 |
| oimon | humm | 08:59 |
| s-fox | Hello | 09:23 |
| oimon | i don't really follow the news - can someone explain how NotW "hacked into people's phones?" are they referring to voicemail pin codes? | 09:27 |
| bigcalm | Good morning kids :) | 09:28 |
| Laney | yeah | 09:29 |
| Laney | i wonder how it was done really | 09:29 |
| oimon | i heard a 7/7 survivor saying ""My wife and I were kind of all over the place, we were chatting to friends on the phone, in a very personal and deeply emotional context - and the thought that somebody may have been listening to that just looking for a cheap headline is just horrendous." - surely the wife doesn't leave massive voicemail messages, rather just says "how u doing, call me" | 09:30 |
| JGJones | Best security against voicemails? Mine is completely uncrackable. | 09:43 |
| dwatkins | You turned off your voicemail, JGJones? | 09:43 |
| JGJones | No idea | 09:43 |
| JGJones | Never used it :D | 09:43 |
| dwatkins | You never use it? | 09:43 |
| dwatkins | hehe | 09:43 |
| JGJones | No point if you're deaf ;-) | 09:43 |
| Laney | what if people leave you messages? | 09:43 |
| dwatkins | JGJones: I assume you mostly use your mobile for texting, or are you only partially deaf? | 09:44 |
| popey | Laney: i suspect most people leave their pin as default | 09:45 |
| dwatkins | mostly as in "as opposed to making calls" | 09:45 |
| JGJones | No-one that know me would do that, and if it does happen, more likely to be a wrong number. Either way it'll not get used. | 09:45 |
| popey | Laney: there has also been comment that they use "social engineering" on people who work at call centres | 09:45 |
| dwatkins | I often get calls from my bank etc. but I guess if you've told them not to call they shouldn't do that | 09:45 |
| JGJones | dwatkins, in the early days, just texting, now quite a lot - ie email, twitter, google+, IM (googletalk), video calling and so on | 09:46 |
| dwatkins | Is there an online video conferencing system which is fast enough for sign language? | 09:47 |
| JGJones | plus when I give out numbers to banks etc - I give them 01234567890 | 09:47 |
| dwatkins | I do the opposite occasionally - give out the number for my answerphone so people can't call and can only leave a message - not done that for some time though | 09:47 |
| JGJones | dwatkins, aye - Google+ Hangout is awesome for a group, although need to test with a larger group (I had 5/6 people) | 09:48 |
| JGJones | just a matter of bandwidth though - video resolution is 320x240 so not brilliant, but my wife does regularly call her deaf friend in canada via Skype - the quality's decent enough. | 09:49 |
| dwatkins | nifty, I have yet to test this myself. I work with a product which includes video conferencing, but I suspect it's not fast enough to catch everything someone is signing. | 09:49 |
| popey | google hangout is good fun | 09:55 |
| Daviey | popey: Yeah, i had a pretty good experience with it yesterday.. I was in two seperate hangouts, the first one with 3 people worked great - the second with one person suffered sound issues. | 09:57 |
| Daviey | The face switching works pretty damn well tho | 09:57 |
| popey | yeah, and echo cancellation | 09:58 |
| popey | i just used the mic on my webcam | 09:58 |
| bigcalm | Still waiting for access to google+. Am I missing anything? | 09:59 |
| popey | its quite good fun | 10:00 |
| popey | send me an email to my first dot last at gmail dot com | 10:00 |
| popey | (from your gmail account) | 10:00 |
| Daviey | bigcalm: you are missing out big style. :) | 10:00 |
| Daviey | does that help? | 10:00 |
| bigcalm | popey: cheers, one mo | 10:01 |
| * popey deletes all the messages on G+ about bigcalm sucking donkeys | 10:01 | |
| hoover | hey biggi | 10:01 |
| bigcalm | Haha | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | Hey hoovie | 10:02 |
| Myrtti | I don't get huddles | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | I like huggles | 10:02 |
| Myrtti | ie. understand | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | Daviey: you're a treasure :) | 10:03 |
| Daviey | bigcalm: aye, i am | 10:03 |
| bigcalm | Maybe you'll get to tell me the cream egg story in August (if you're going) | 10:04 |
| popey | bigcalm: did that work? | 10:07 |
| popey | I added you to my "Friends" circle | 10:07 |
| bigcalm | I see nothing :( | 10:07 |
| popey | booooo | 10:07 |
| JGJones | Myrtti, huddle - just a group text chat app for mobiles only (currently only Android) - invite all folks in a circle or selected people and have a IM group chat. | 10:07 |
| JGJones | it's just like g+ hangout...except for the video and audio :) | 10:08 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:08 |
| bigcalm | My android tablet has a front facing camera, would be nice to be able to use it for such things | 10:08 |
| bigcalm | Hi davmor2 | 10:09 |
| oimon | bigcalm: how u getting on with teh tablet? | 10:11 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: which tablet? | 10:11 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: how's things dude | 10:14 |
| bigcalm | oimon: waiting for somebody to port CynogenMod onto it. I've got it rooted and Clockwork recovery running ok though | 10:16 |
| oimon | battery life? | 10:16 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: Kogan Agora 7" capacitive POS | 10:17 |
| bigcalm | oimon: poor. It keeps waking itself up to look for a 3g signal. The device has no 3g hardware. I think they rushed to get 2.3.3 onto it before shipping | 10:18 |
| bigcalm | My phone is more useable than the tablet, which is why I rarely bother to turn it on now | 10:19 |
| oimon | this is the problem with cheapo tech...we buy it to fulfil an urge, hoping it to be better than it is | 10:20 |
| oimon | i was tempted by it too | 10:20 |
| oimon | surely it's better than a joggler though :P | 10:20 |
| oimon | wonder how many irc users have that word highlighted :) | 10:21 |
| popey | heh | 10:21 |
| popey | wonder how many jogglers are sat in boxes | 10:22 |
| popey | I jailbroke my ipad today | 10:22 |
| popey | why did I do this? | 10:22 |
| popey | be nice if I could run Arm Ubuntu on it. but unlikely I guess | 10:22 |
| oimon | can you run android on it? | 10:22 |
| oimon | one of my friends dual boots windows mobile and android on his HTC phone | 10:23 |
| gord | can you not install applications that you couldn't install before? | 10:24 |
| popey | i wouldn't want to run android on it | 10:24 |
| bigcalm | The tablet has HDMI out, so I guess it might be useful as a presentation device | 10:24 |
| popey | gord: i guess | 10:24 |
| gord | seems to be the only use case for jailbroken iphones as much as i have heard | 10:24 |
| popey | gord: not quite figured out what apps would be useful over and above the ones I have "legitimately" | 10:24 |
| gord | maybe flash? | 10:24 |
| oimon | wifi hotspot? | 10:24 |
| gord | i know adobe had a flash before, not sure if it got out in the wild | 10:25 |
| popey | wifi hotspot? | 10:25 |
| popey | its not a 3g device | 10:25 |
| gord | but yeah, there are eight squillion apps in the app store already, you prolly don't need more | 10:25 |
| popey | exactly | 10:25 |
| popey | i kinda stared at the cydia store and thought... "I dont need this stuff" | 10:26 |
| gord | i don't even root my android device, whats the point? | 10:26 |
| oimon | i thought ipads were just for reading the guardian and that bloke from QI's tweets anyway | 10:26 |
| gord | they seem to make good cat toys too :) | 10:26 |
| oimon | gord: i am considering it so that i can do a full image backup of the phone | 10:26 |
| popey | oimon: yes, that's a common misconception from people who dont own them | 10:26 |
| gord | which gave me an idea the other day, cat amusement park. | 10:26 |
| oimon | popey: due to the marketing | 10:26 |
| popey | er, no | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | gord: to improve upon the stock OS. Some features in CynogenMod have gone back into stock I think | 10:27 |
| popey | due to the closed minds and lack of imagination of apple haters :D | 10:27 |
| popey | "It's an ipod, *sheesh* can't be good for anything" </assumption> | 10:27 |
| popey | etc | 10:27 |
| gord | seriously, no one is interested in cat amusement parks? i thought it was a great idea | 10:28 |
| oimon | popey: i was more joking than trolling | 10:28 |
| oimon | but i do hear that the ipad version of twitter app only has an RT button and nothing else ;) | 10:29 |
| popey | trollolololol | 10:29 |
| oimon | and you automatically follow stephen fry when you sign in. | 10:29 |
| shauno | that explains everything | 10:30 |
| gord | fine, non of you can be part of the million dollar cat amusement park for cats of all ages | 10:30 |
| * oimon is a dog person | 10:30 | |
| oimon | although my dog acts like a cat so i get all the benefits of both | 10:30 |
| popey | my cat is on twitter | 10:31 |
| popey | http://twitter.com/#!/salempope | 10:31 |
| shauno | why on earth did I click that | 10:32 |
| popey | because you want to be updated whenever my cat tweets? | 10:33 |
| gord | followed! | 10:33 |
| * dutchie listens to popey's cat's audioboo while waiting out the first night in new minecraft world | 10:33 | |
| dutchie | *munch munch munch* | 10:33 |
| shauno | also, why is goggle's new blackbar different shades of grey in different apps. what on earth are they up to | 10:34 |
| oimon | dunno but i like it on my dark ubuntu theme | 10:35 |
| shauno | I don't mind the new layout at all, just not sure why it's not consistent | 10:36 |
| gord | its the same shade of black in in chrome/firefox for me | 10:39 |
| shauno | mine's giving me a much lighter grey in gmail | 10:40 |
| gord | oh right yes, but thats because gmail has a light theme going on | 10:40 |
| oimon | gmail is white for me | 10:40 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:43 |
| shauno | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/gmail.PNG that's what I'm getting. just different enough to be head-scratching | 10:45 |
| shauno | (yes, I'm fussy) | 10:46 |
| dwatkins | shauno: isn't that because you're logged in on one and not on the other? | 10:57 |
| danfish | a broadband speed map http://maps.ofcom.org.uk/broadband/ | 10:57 |
| dwatkins | handy, danfish | 10:58 |
| daubers | Ah, tea is the best invention evah | 10:58 |
| gord | daaang handbrake-gtk doesn't work anymore | 10:58 |
| gord | time to learn the CLI version. or heaven forbid... ffmpeg =\ | 10:58 |
| daubers | popey: I know someone who was given an ipad, and she says its the best tray for carrying around 2 wine glasses and a bottle of wine at the same time | 10:59 |
| shauno | dwatkins: nope, logged in on both (and just double-checked they're the same user) | 10:59 |
| popey | i frequently carry coffee back from the restaurant on mine | 10:59 |
| Daviey | I use mine to jack up the car to change the wheel, there is an app for it. | 11:00 |
| dwatkins | shauno: they look different for me | 11:00 |
| dwatkins | shauno: I mean that I do see much more similar tabs in Google search compared to Google+, as opposed to what you are seeing | 11:01 |
| gord | does anyone happen to know why we hide dvdcss? i mean i get that its not installed but not in the repo's seems crazy | 11:02 |
| oimon | doesn't restricted-extras install it? | 11:09 |
| gord | no its not in the repos | 11:10 |
| gord | huh, handbrake runs 2/3 times faster on linux than it does on windows for me, neat | 11:13 |
| matti | AlanBell: Thanks, but I don't have G+ account ... I think :) | 11:22 |
| matti | Daviey: :) | 11:22 |
| oimon | can i replace a AMD sempron 3400+ processor socket M2 with an athlon 64 X2 processor? | 11:43 |
| directhex | oimon, you mean AM2? | 11:44 |
| oimon | yes | 11:44 |
| directhex | yes, some 2006-2007 athlon64 x2's are AM2 | 11:45 |
| oimon | i have a good machine with crappy processor | 11:45 |
| directhex | even a few from 2008 | 11:45 |
| oimon | how would i know what's compatible? | 11:45 |
| penguin42 | oimon: I'd check on the website for the manufacturer of your motherboard | 11:54 |
| penguin42 | oimon: It might also need a BIOS upgrade if you get a more recent processor than was around when it was bought | 11:55 |
| popey | gord: hide? | 11:55 |
| popey | oh, it's in medibuntu or something isnt it? | 11:55 |
| popey | it's a circumvention device, so i guess there's some legal reason | 11:55 |
| shauno | they should put it in the repos, but with some geoip-fu, so when americans try to download it, they get E_LANDOFTHEFREE </troll> | 11:56 |
| gord | if you install libdvdread4 you get a script in /usr/share/something that goes to some website (i guess medibuntu) and downloads it. its just crap | 11:57 |
| davmor2 | gord: oh you mean /usr/share/docs/libdvdread4/libdvdcss_install.sh or something along those lines | 11:58 |
| popey | thats the one | 11:59 |
| popey | hehe shauno | 11:59 |
| popey | /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh | 12:00 |
| popey | sitert=http://packages.medibuntu.org/ | 12:00 |
| popey | yup | 12:00 |
| davmor2 | popey: hey I was close | 12:00 |
| gord | at the very least vlc/totem should pop up a thing saying "i'm so sorry about this, its horrible i know, but could you press Okay to agree to download and install this small library so i can play your dvd properly? again, very sorry!" | 12:01 |
| gord | maybe less verbose | 12:01 |
| popey | file a bug ☺ | 12:01 |
| popey | (I agree with you) | 12:01 |
| popey | jockey should do it | 12:01 |
| popey | or whatever does codec stuff | 12:01 |
| gord | well right now its through gstreamer i think, maybe its something for jockey though yeah | 12:02 |
| oimon | can anyone suggest an irc room that might be useful for processor upgrade questions? | 12:04 |
| popey | ##windows | 12:06 |
| popey | :D | 12:06 |
| MartijnVdS | zing! | 12:06 |
| shauno | man, efnet's nowhere near as bad as I remember. is the internet actually getting old and boring? | 12:37 |
| * penguin42 seems to remember there was a program that sat in an X connection and showed you what all the X commands sent were - but I can't remember the name - anyone? | 12:44 | |
| hoover | hang on | 12:44 |
| hoover | xev | 12:44 |
| hoover | ? | 12:44 |
| penguin42 | that's just events isn't it? | 12:45 |
| hoover | I guess | 12:45 |
| * penguin42 wants the commands going in the other direction | 12:45 | |
| hoover | ah sorry | 12:45 |
| tugrik | try xspy, xpusher, and possibly xtester | 12:47 |
| tugrik | from memory getting them to compile might be "interesting" | 12:47 |
| penguin42 | oh I can get anything to compile with a large enough hammer | 12:47 |
| tugrik | afair they're for keystrokes though... that might not be what you meant by "commands" | 12:48 |
| penguin42 | no it's not | 12:48 |
| penguin42 | I want things like the command from the app that changes the mouse pointer shape | 12:48 |
| penguin42 | X protocol decoding | 12:49 |
| tugrik | ah, then I don't know, but... inevitably... I'd be interested in the name of the app when you find it | 12:49 |
| * penguin42 thought there was a proxy like thing at one point | 12:49 | |
| shauno | xmon.sf.net looks prehistoric, but their last update was this month, so may be workable | 12:50 |
| penguin42 | ah - xscope | 12:50 |
| penguin42 | shauno: OOh promising | 12:50 |
| matti | MartijnVdS: Can I ask you to try to invite me to G+ if you still can? | 12:53 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Well xmon's last update was 8 years ago in that cvs :-) | 12:53 |
| shauno | yeah, I just noticed that. sf.net/xmon said first of july :/ | 12:54 |
| shauno | bummer, the description sounded spot on. but sourceforge strikes again :( | 12:54 |
| penguin42 | shauno: It was - 9 years ago :-) | 12:55 |
| penguin42 | looks like xscope is possibly what I want - it's even in git | 12:55 |
| penguin42 | heck xscope while updated only 5 months ago has an ancient heritage 'xscope was originally written & used on a Sun3' | 12:58 |
| shauno | nice | 12:58 |
| hoover | cheers all | 13:23 |
| andylockran | anyone working @ Millbank today? | 13:43 |
| davmor2 | andylockran: the people in millbank are ;) | 13:44 |
| andylockran | muahahaha. | 13:44 |
| AlanBell | matti: oops, I removed you now, it should stop spamming you | 13:57 |
| matti | AlanBell: No, I don't mind :) | 14:13 |
| matti | AlanBell: I could use invite from somebody :) | 14:13 |
| === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm | ||
| gord | matti, as far as i know, google stopped sending out invites for a bit, so if someone invites you now you won't get in | 14:16 |
| popey | yeah | 14:18 |
| directhex | boo | 14:19 |
| directhex | cartmanland is not a business model to follow, google! | 14:19 |
| gord | ha, now i'm gonna have to dig out that episode | 14:19 |
| matti | gord: Oh, thanks :) | 14:22 |
| matti | gord: I did not know that :) | 14:22 |
| directhex | so much to do at google plus, but you guys can't come! | 14:25 |
| directhex | especially stan and kyle, i hate those guys! | 14:25 |
| penguin42 | bah | 14:41 |
| xapel_ | is popey here? | 14:50 |
| popey | xapel_: he is | 14:52 |
| xapel_ | aha | 14:52 |
| davmor2 | xapel_: no popey is over there he isn't here | 14:52 |
| xapel_ | popey: we were chatting about a magic utility that you are developing to do remote desktop control for mumbuntu...and then you disappeared | 14:53 |
| popey | hah | 14:53 |
| popey | still developing it | 14:53 |
| xapel_ | popey: hopefully that was to finish the coding quickly | 14:54 |
| xapel_ | any idea when it will be ready? | 14:55 |
| xapel_ | Will you put it in the Software Centre? ppa perhaps? How can I get it, when its done? | 14:56 |
| popey | heh, it's barely started | 14:57 |
| xapel_ | oh | 14:58 |
| shauno | you don't just vnc in and ghost-write some stickies for her? | 14:58 |
| xapel_ | :) | 14:58 |
| shauno | that's one thing I've always missed in vnc. a way to pop up a notification saying "don't panic - it's shaun" | 14:59 |
| shauno | people get very odd about their cursor moving without them | 15:00 |
| gord | notify-send? | 15:00 |
| popey | it does popup | 15:00 |
| popey | in ubuntu the default vnc server does anyway | 15:01 |
| shauno | ah, ok | 15:01 |
| shauno | (I haven't had mother on linux for years. she married a windows admin who "knew better", and it all went to pot) | 15:02 |
| * dogmatic69_ passed bike license \o/ | 15:09 | |
| bigcalm | Well done dogmatic69 | 15:10 |
| bigcalm | _ | 15:10 |
| dogmatic69_ | ta | 15:10 |
| dogmatic69_ | i can still say ive never failed a driving test before :) | 15:10 |
| oimon | passed my ITIL exam :) | 15:12 |
| dogmatic69_ | what is that? | 15:13 |
| oimon | it's where you learn useless jargon for no reason other than to please managers | 15:15 |
| dogmatic69_ | oimon: hehe | 15:26 |
| dogmatic69_ | well done then | 15:26 |
| davmor2 | oimon: that sounds like a really technical way of saying pebkac and it's a user interface issue | 15:34 |
| === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm[lappy486 | ||
| === bigcalm[lappy486 is now known as bigcalm_lappy486 | ||
| matti | oimon: Well done :) | 16:07 |
| matti | oimon: You are man of the process now :) | 16:07 |
| oimon | :( | 16:08 |
| davmor2 | oimon: congratulations | 16:09 |
| oimon | thanks - was a bit of anticlimax in the end | 16:10 |
| daubers | Good day all round today | 16:13 |
| * daubers got his funding for OU stuff through today \o/ | 16:14 | |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | Anybody here use a gmail notifier app that sits in the notification area? | 16:16 |
| gord | bigcalm_lappy486, https://launchpad.net/gm-notify is what you want | 16:18 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | I'm trying out different ones, wondering if anybody had settled upon a good one | 16:18 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | gord: will have a look, ta | 16:18 |
| hamitron | bigcalm_lappy486: you're on a 486? :D | 16:19 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | Ooo, this does look promising | 16:20 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | hamitron: tis but a geek reference | 16:20 |
| hamitron | :/ | 16:20 |
| hamitron | not dedicated enough to retro hardware.... some people | 16:21 |
| hamitron | ;) | 16:21 |
| directhex | strongbad, if i'm not mistaken | 16:21 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | directhex: correct | 16:23 |
| directhex | replacing compy386 | 16:23 |
| === seeker_ is now known as seeker | ||
| bigcalm_lappy486 | gord: this app doesn't allow for multiple gmail accounts then? | 16:30 |
| jacobw | daubers: what are you studying? | 16:33 |
| jacobw | daubers: and \o/ | 16:33 |
| gord | bigcalm_lappy486, no idea | 16:34 |
| gord | bigcalm_lappy486, i have evolution/thunderbird hooked up to my gmail account, it tells me | 16:34 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | Ah | 16:35 |
| JGJones | That didn't take long...there's already websites springing up for G+ like this - http://gplus.to/ - give yourself a short simple URL to point to your G+ account | 16:37 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | Who has gpl.us? | 16:41 |
| popey | JGJones: http://gplus.to/popey :D | 16:50 |
| * bigcalm_lappy486 grrs | 16:53 | |
| JGJones | mine's http://gplus.to/jgjones - amazingly enough it matches up with my nick in here...imagine that! | 16:54 |
| penguin42 | JGJones: Do they steal your credentials at the same time? | 16:54 |
| JGJones | penguin42, and your entire bank account too - a fair trade I'll say ;-) - nah, it only point to a public page | 16:54 |
| * penguin42 doesn't have google+ yet :-( | 16:55 | |
| * MartijnVdS has it on the wrong account | 16:56 | |
| MartijnVdS | as it's not available yet on Apps | 16:57 |
| JGJones | MartijnVdS, I have an apps account but also a gmail one so I'm using that and hoping it will be simple to move it over | 17:05 |
| MartijnVdS | JGJones: it's simple to export data.. haven't seen an "Import" button yet :( | 17:05 |
| pirate | hi, guys | 17:32 |
| pirate | I love ubuntu | 17:32 |
| brobostigon | Fb video calling using skype, hmm. | 17:33 |
| pirate | who has an invite for Google +? | 17:34 |
| brobostigon | however, it seems only to be one to one calling, unlike google+'s hangouts, that canbe more than one person tomore thn one person. | 17:41 |
| brobostigon | so FB is behind already. | 17:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I had an invite to G+ this morning but the url gives a 404 :-( | 17:42 |
| brobostigon | :( | 17:42 |
| JGJones | OK that's my problem sorted...I only discovered that you can have sign in with multiple Google accounts | 18:08 |
| JGJones | so I can view my apps email and continue to sign in with gmail account for G+ and also sign in with work email (also an app account) | 18:09 |
| JGJones | brobostigon, you forgot another key thing - FB's video calling depends on Skype (it's already lagging behind on Linux for example). Google's Hangout - it's planned to move it over to WebRTC and make use of open standards such as WebM - it will be done in browsers, no plugins required (Opera, Firefox as well as Chrome all support WebRTC). Skype will require a plugin | 18:21 |
| JGJones | Thus if you use Hangout in future - in theory it should "just works" | 18:21 |
| JGJones | whereas with facebook "you need to install a plugin"....your plugin is out of date, please install etc etc etc | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | skype has better telepathy integration today | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | also i didn't need to install any plugin to make skype work on my phone | 18:22 |
| === Neoti_Laptop is now known as ginger_gimp_1701 | ||
| ali1234 | also i am not the least bit interested in using a web browser to do everything | 18:23 |
| === ginger_gimp_1701 is now known as Neoti_Laptop | ||
| JGJones | ali1234, aye that's true. I'm interested in the different method they're using - Skype is peer to peer. Google's Hangout isn't, it use Google's servers. | 18:23 |
| JGJones | mind you - with webRTC being open standard - in theory you could make an app that meet those standard and have it work on Android etc | 18:24 |
| brobostigon | JGJones: quite true, yes. what is webrtc ? | 18:25 |
| brobostigon | and i would rather use open software, than something closed. | 18:25 |
| JGJones | brobostigon, https://sites.google.com/site/webrtc/ | 18:26 |
| brobostigon | JGJones: thank you, | 18:26 |
| JGJones | brobostigon, ironically you realise that Skype actually use VP8 (webM) for their group video calling (in software)? | 18:26 |
| brobostigon | JGJones: i didnt know that, interesting. | 18:27 |
| JGJones | Dear very very lovely and generous people in here - you all are wonderful | 18:28 |
| brobostigon | :) | 18:28 |
| JGJones | Just saying that...in no reference whatsoever to the fact that my birthday's in Nov and I want this http://gradualpanic.com/2011/06/want-want-want/ | 18:28 |
| JGJones | ahem... | 18:28 |
| JGJones | ;) | 18:28 |
| brobostigon | lol, :) | 18:28 |
| * brobostigon simply wants a nexus s. | 18:29 | |
| brobostigon | unlocked, with an engineering bootloader, :) | 18:30 |
| jacobw | :o | 18:30 |
| jacobw | cool f1 thing | 18:30 |
| brobostigon | and two way NFC, wouldbe cool asell. | 18:45 |
| brobostigon | or the S2, | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | we have a meeting scheduled for a few minutes from now | 18:51 |
| brobostigon | around 8mins, | 18:52 |
| AlanBell | ok, so change of plan, lets use this channel rather than the meeting channel | 18:57 |
| AlanBell | and generally work together on the reapproval application | 18:57 |
| AlanBell | we can use IRC, etherpad, the wiki and perhaps mumble for voice conferencing | 18:57 |
| AlanBell | mumble.libertus.co.uk is the mumble server | 18:58 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: I have a Nexus One, and I've been eyeing the Nexus S.. but I don't want to get it when there are "Nexus 3" rumours around :( | 18:58 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: you have a goodpoint, i couldnt afford one, right now though, either way. | 18:58 |
| AlanBell | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval | 18:59 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: and with my htc dream, i am used to unlocked and engineering bootloader. | 18:59 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: My N1 was unlocked when I got it, I reflashed with US stock firmware (instead of UK/EU Voda firmware it came with) | 19:00 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: (to get updates earlier) | 19:00 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: ah, yes, :) | 19:00 |
| MartijnVdS | same with my xoom -- though I had to unlock that (easily) manually | 19:01 |
| brobostigon | AlanBell: it is asking for a password. | 19:05 |
| brunogirin | is the meeting started? | 19:06 |
| AlanBell | brobostigon: ooh, hang on I will try and log in as admin and delete your password | 19:06 |
| AlanBell | brunogirin: we are having a slow start! | 19:06 |
| brobostigon | AlanBell: thank you. | 19:06 |
| brunogirin | AlanBell: good, that will help me keep track of the conversation as I'm on a flaky 3G connection :-) | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | brunogirin: I am just sending a mail to the list | 19:10 |
| brobostigon | AlanBell: i will login with a different username. | 19:11 |
| AlanBell | I am struggling to log on to anything with mumble on my laptop | 19:13 |
| AlanBell | ok, so activity focussing on this page http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval | 19:20 |
| popey | AlanBell: will join in on mumble shortly, am releasing a podcast | 19:27 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ releasing a podcast | 19:28 |
| brobostigon | :) | 19:28 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | Release the zombies! | 19:32 |
| * MartijnVdS F5s the RSS feed | 19:32 | |
| AlanBell | !stats | 20:02 |
| lubotu3 | Statistics for #ubuntu-uk: http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/ | 20:02 |
| StevenR | hi. I've got some display corruption, pictures seem "ok", but there's some display aliasing, text is all invisible | 20:04 |
| StevenR | I can ctrl-alt-f2 to a console (irssi from there). This only occurred when I un-hibernated my laptop this evening. It's never occurred before. | 20:04 |
| MartijnVdS | might be a bug in un-hibernating | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | What kind of graphics chip do you have? Intel? AMD? NVidia? Something exotic? | 20:21 |
| StevenR | MartijnVdS: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) | 20:22 |
| StevenR | it's a toshiba T130 (Intel CULV CPU) | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | I sometimes get a black screen instead of my desktop when I un-screensaver | 20:23 |
| StevenR | MartijnVdS: I've been unhibernating and hibernating since november, never seen this before. | 20:24 |
| MartijnVdS | try a reboot | 20:24 |
| StevenR | (it was lucid then, and I went lucid->mav->natty in ~6 hours | 20:24 |
| MartijnVdS | could be a one-off bug | 20:24 |
| StevenR | MartijnVdS: yeah, it came back ok after reboot | 20:24 |
| StevenR | it'd be nice to know what I could do next time though | 20:25 |
| StevenR | I tried closing the lid (suspends to ram) and resuming | 20:25 |
| MartijnVdS | "sudo service gdm restart" | 20:25 |
| MartijnVdS | that'll stop & restart X | 20:25 |
| StevenR | yeah, killing all my apps, etc | 20:26 |
| StevenR | (ideally I'd like a less destructive solution :D) | 20:26 |
| MartijnVdS | If you find one, I'd like to know too :) | 20:29 |
| StevenR | :D | 20:30 |
| penguin42 | hmm I wonder if there is the possibility of adding to Xorg something that completely reinitialises all the backend - or if that already exists | 20:45 |
| oracology | That happens to me sometimes, but it's an actual hard lock where I need to physically reset the machine...I'm not sure of any way to solve your problem besides restarting gdm either...I'll keep looking/thinking. | 20:50 |
| brobostigon | gpu lockup? | 20:51 |
| oracology | not sure. I have an asus laptop and the scroll lock button flashes to indicate a proper hard lock. if it happens when I can still see things and work, my mouse stops and nothing responds. | 20:53 |
| brobostigon | have a look in dmesg, it will say. | 20:54 |
| oracology | penguin42: maybe one needs to write something to work with HAL or dbus for "helping" reset the backend for Xorg? | 20:54 |
| oracology | brobostigon: i can never see what happened in dmesg when i restart. when it hard locks, i can't do anything with the machine...:( | 20:55 |
| brobostigon | oracology: loginto it, via ssh and pull dmesg, | 20:55 |
| penguin42 | oracology: I suspect between X and the kernel it can have a good go at doing it - it just needs a means of giving it a kick and the drivers writing in such a way to be able to do it - I don't know if that's doable | 20:55 |
| oracology | brobostigon: can't. it won't let me login via ssh either. | 20:55 |
| oracology | brobostigon: it's practically like having the machine turned off, except it's still on and completely unresponsive :) | 20:56 |
| brobostigon | oracology: ok, it isnt gpu lockup then, as it only locks up xorg and libdrm. | 20:56 |
| oracology | brobostigon: right. i had always assumed it was something more universal than just the gpu... | 20:56 |
| brobostigon | oracology: have a look in your backlogs in /var/log | 20:56 |
| oracology | brobostigon: will do the next time it happens. hasn't happened in a few weeks thankfully. | 20:57 |
| oracology | brobostigon: thanks for the suggestion. completely forgot about /var/log | 20:57 |
| oracology | penguin42: it might be doable by writing some sort of hook script to whatever sits between X and the kernel...i suspect hal or dbus again..? i'm not in the know when it comes to kernel stuff though (or Xorg)...just a thought. | 20:58 |
| penguin42 | oracology: Oh I don't think it needs that; you just need to kick either X or the kernel or both | 20:59 |
| brobostigon | oracology: :) | 20:59 |
| oracology | penguin42: but if you kick X, then that's like restarting gdm. i'm trying to think of a gentler solution like you suggested :) | 20:59 |
| penguin42 | oracology: Oh by kick I meant something a bit more subtle | 20:59 |
| penguin42 | oracology: more of a tap on the butt than a kick to the head :-) | 21:00 |
| oracology | penguin42: ah but back to square one now...does such a thing exist...it's a really good question actually. i'll see if i can find some answers (after i wake up in the morning) :) | 21:00 |
| oracology | 'night all! thanks for the insight/input/discussion! | 21:01 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E10 Sun and Steel - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/07/06/s04e10-sun-and-steel/ | 21:08 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | regex help needed :) /^[a-zA-Z]{3,4}\d{8}[a-zA-Z]{2}$/ | 21:09 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | Would that match 1) A to Z, min 3 chars, max 4 chars. 2) 8 digits. 3) A to Z, min/max 2 chars | 21:10 |
| bigcalm_lappy486 | ? | 21:10 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 22:18 |
| BigRedS | assuming you mean exactly those thre in sequence, rather than each of those three optionally | 22:18 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm[revo]: ^^ | 22:20 |
| Azelphur | what does C10K actually stand for? | 22:31 |
| Azelphur | I mean, I know what it means, but never heard what it actually stands for | 22:31 |
| BigRedS | it's ten thousand clients isn't it? | 22:33 |
| BigRedS | C = clients, 10K = ten thousand? | 22:34 |
| Azelphur | fun :) | 22:34 |
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