[05:27] <knightwise> morning everyone
[05:30] <MartijnVdS> Ssh! Speak Flemish.. or he'll understand us! :P
[05:30] <knightwise> LOL
[05:30] <knightwise> morning martijn
[05:30] <MartijnVdS> \o knightwise
[05:31] <knightwise> hmmz , i moved my automated twidge jobs to another server , and now they appear NOT to work :(
[05:31] <knightwise> its not the scripts , they work fine manualy , i just dont know if the crontab works
[05:32] <MartijnVdS> do you get emails from cron?
[05:32] <knightwise> no , i dont think so
[05:32] <MartijnVdS> is there anything in /var/log about cron doing its thing?
[05:33] <knightwise> nothing in there that says cron or anything
[05:33] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: is cron running? (ps ax)
[05:34] <knightwise> yep
[05:34] <knightwise> 8794 ?
[05:34] <MartijnVdS> try restarting it
[05:34] <MartijnVdS> also, check if the job really is there using crontab -e
[05:35] <knightwise> yep , did both
[05:35] <knightwise> wait , lets check the time on my machine
[05:36] <knightwise> time on the machine is correct
[05:36] <knightwise> 15 2 * * 1 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1
[05:36] <knightwise> these are the lines for example
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: is the script executable?
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: ls -l /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1
[05:38] <knightwise> -rwxr-xr-x 1 knightwise knightwise 181 2011-07-05 21:31 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1
[05:38] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it's only running at 2:15 in the morning, and the only if it's Monday
[05:38] <MartijnVdS> which might be why it didn't run last night..
[05:39] <knightwise> i know
[05:39] <knightwise> but i also have this one
[05:40] <knightwise> 30 7 * * 1,2,3,4,5 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/goodmorning
[05:40] <knightwise> that one didn"t run either
[05:40] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: grep CRON /var/log/syslog doesn't return anything?
[05:41] <knightwise> nope
[05:41] <knightwise> blank line :(
[05:41] <MartijnVdS> Mine returns an anacron run every hour at least..
[05:41] <MartijnVdS> you can try restarting cron
[05:41] <MartijnVdS> sudo invoke-rc.d cron restart
[05:43] <knightwise> tried that too with sudo restart cron
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> I think you need "service" in there (service restart cron)
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> You can make a small cron job like this:
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> * * * * * /bin/echo "HI THERE!"
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> then your mailbox should fill up..
[05:44] <knightwise> ok , i'll try
[05:44] <knightwise> just did your restart line and rescheduled the job for 7 45
[05:44] <knightwise> lets see if it turns up in the feed
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> tail -f /var/log/syslog.1
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> tail -f /var/log/syslog
[05:45] <MartijnVdS> oh good idea.. check if your logs have been rotated :)
[05:45] <MartijnVdS> if they have, cron is working at least a little
[05:46] <knightwise> Jul  6 07:45:01 nostromo CRON[9318]: (knightwise) CMD (/home/knightwise/twitterscripts/goodmorning)
[05:46] <knightwise> Jul  6 07:45:03 nostromo CRON[9315]: (CRON) error (grandchild #9318 failed with exit status 1)
[05:46] <knightwise> Jul  6 07:45:03 nostromo CRON[9315]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
[05:46] <knightwise> no mta installed ?
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> mail transfer agent
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> postfix, nullmailer, etc.
[06:00] <knightwise> should not be a reason for failure
[06:01] <knightwise> weird
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> no
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> but it's trying to tell you what's wrong
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> and it can't
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> because it can't send mail
[06:02] <knightwise> sudo apt-get install mta won't do the trick i think
[06:04] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: no, you need to choose and configure one
[06:05] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: like nullmailer (very simple program that doesn't do much, except send mail if your machine needs to
[06:05] <MartijnVdS> postfix is also available, but it's a monster to configure
[06:05] <MartijnVdS> same with exim, sendmail, etc.
[06:07] <MartijnVdS> you can also change your cron job to be something like this:
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> /path/to/your/cronjob >> $HOME/some_logfile 2>&1
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> then it'll create (and append to) that file for every run
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> and you can read the errors there
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: ^
[06:08] <knightwise> no mta installed ? holdon
[06:08] <knightwise> i'll try that
[06:11] <knightwise> ok
[06:11] <knightwise> it creates the file ,
[06:12] <knightwise> there is however nothing in it
[06:12] <MartijnVdS> your script should be more verbose then ;)
[06:12] <MartijnVdS> off to work!
[06:13] <knightwise> thanx :) i'll try looking around a little more :)
[06:13] <knightwise> thanx again martijn
[06:14] <malcolm_> hay do any of you guys know what is ment by
[06:15] <malcolm_> FATAL: Module rt2800lib is in use
[06:15] <malcolm_> when i was trying to install drivers
[06:15] <malcolm_> using the command make wlunload
[06:17] <malcolm_> was trying to like install patched drivers
[06:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey cool - Giant Wombats on steroids! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14040349
[06:23] <popey> Morning all
[06:25] <malcolm_> damn so hard to find the right info sometimes : (
[06:28] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: sounds like a made for TV film staring some actors who used to be famous
[06:32] <popey> malcolm_: why are you "trying to like install patched drivers"?
[06:40] <malcolm_> um
[06:40] <malcolm_> trying to see if i can get somthing to work
[06:42] <popey> thats somewhat vague
[06:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> 'somewhat' being the understatement of the day so far ;-)
[06:44] <malcolm_> ive been messing about with aircrack-ng
[06:44] <malcolm_> and i keep running into a problem
[06:44] <malcolm_> when i try to connect to my ap
[06:44] <malcolm_> i get
[06:44] <malcolm_> well keep getting put on channel -1
[06:44] <malcolm_> and the patch fixes this
[06:49] <daubers> Morning
[06:49] <malcolm_> but im having modual loading problems it seems
[06:50] <AlanBell> malcolm_: you probably need to unload the active module first
[06:50] <malcolm_> yeah i'm not sure how to do that yet : )
[06:50] <AlanBell> you do realise you are going to end up with a system with broken networking?
[06:51] <AlanBell> rmmod unloads modules
[06:51] <malcolm_> well i can always just uninstall the drivers
[07:00] <knightwise> mornin everyone
[07:01] <daubers> o/
[07:03] <knightwise> forgive me my friends for i have sinned
[07:03] <knightwise> i have installed .. linux minr
[07:03] <knightwise> t
[07:03] <knightwise> and .. i like it
[07:13] <_serial_> add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next (or firefox-stable depending on your pref) :)
[07:13] <AlanBell> knightwise: but it is just Ubuntu with the media codecs installed right?
[07:14] <knightwise> yes
[07:14] <knightwise> but i am looking at the rolling debian isntall too
[07:14] <_serial_> you choose when on install when to install the media codecs, mint also gives you the ability to install on the welcome screen
[07:29] <hoover> morning all
[07:35] <popey> AlanBell: there are other bits they have too
[07:35] <popey> AlanBell: like a different menu, and a backup tool
[07:44] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:48] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[07:49] <AlanBell> I just broke a hard drive :(
[07:49] <AlanBell> external enclosure, dropped it maybe 30cm onto carpet
[07:49] <czajkowski> well done
[07:49] <czajkowski> not a good start to the day AlanBell
[07:50] <AlanBell> not the best, but it was only backups
[07:51] <czajkowski> oh would ye all like a laugh
[07:52] <czajkowski> it again involved delays and trains going fecked up to get me home to ireland again like at xmas
[07:52] <czajkowski> though not to the same extent
[07:52] <czajkowski> karma gods seem to think it's funny
[07:55] <czajkowski> arrived at london bridge at 3:30 for 4:05 train no train driver till 4:30
[07:55] <czajkowski> my 6:50 flight didnt take off till 8:15 when it should have been landing
[07:55] <czajkowski> amusing i can fly anywhere with no delays except to ireland
[07:57] <shauno> last time I flew to the UK, aer fungus were flying every 2 hours, but running 2 hours late
[07:57] <shauno> so everything looked like it was on time :/
[08:09] <AlanBell> yay, external enclosure now has 500GB sata drive fitted
[08:13] <JGJones> czajkowski, I seem to be lucky then - when I was living in N.Ireland - I didn't get any delays etc, in fact my planes nearly always arrived early. Once I arrived a day late though - I got on the wrong train
[08:14] <czajkowski> JGJones: it never happned me before till xmas and since then every time there has been some delay
[08:14] <czajkowski> anoying as i'm always early
[08:15] <JGJones> Ah that might be where you're going wrong ;-) I always turn up "just in time" ;-)
[08:16] <czajkowski> heh
[08:18] <hoover> heh, interesting flamewar between the LAS and Linux Outlaws guys ;-)
[08:18]  * hoover gets himself some popcorn
[08:21] <AlanBell> is it on identi.ca by any chance?
[08:23] <popey> hah
[08:24] <popey> is this due to one person saying in Linux Format that Linux Outlaws is the best linux based podcast?
[08:24]  * popey notes that UUPC got a brief mention as "useful for distro hoppers"
[08:24] <popey> which I find somewhat odd
[08:24]  * jpds watches popey install Gentoo while he's at it.
[08:27] <danfish_> morning
[08:28] <danfish_> note to self - "scp foo* dest && rm foo*" good
[08:28] <wintellect> popey: what was odd about it? That you're classed as "useful" or that it was only a "brief mention"?  :P
[08:28] <danfish_> "scp foo* dest & rm foo*" not so good :(
[08:29] <hoover> popey: yep
[08:29] <AlanBell> wintellect: the "distro hoppers" bit
[08:29] <hoover> I thought the whole thing was a bit tongue in cheek to begin with ;-)
[08:30] <AlanBell> if anything uupc is useless for distro hoppers as it doesn't talk much about other distros
[08:34] <popey> wintellect: its a uk magazine, and barely mentioned a UK podcast that has had ~1.5 million downloads over 4 years
[08:34] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[08:34] <popey> however, its just one guy who did the review
[08:34] <popey> and he doesn't seem to give a toss
[08:35] <popey> AlanBell: we have interviewed people from red hat and centos fwiw
[08:36] <dwatkins> heh, I'd forgotten about the concept of "swapiness" until just now... :)
[08:36] <dwatkins> great name
[08:41] <daubers> Good podcasts seem quite hard to come by
[08:42] <daubers> LO == Fab ranting with Dan trying to be sensible for an hour and a half.... been so long since I listened to LAS can't remember why I passed on it
[08:42]  * daubers grabs a recent ep
[08:43] <popey> The great thing about Linux podcasts ...
[08:43]  * popey decides to tweet this instead of here :D
[08:43] <hoover> hehe
[08:44] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/88528616102699009
[08:44] <popey> there we go
[08:47] <dwatkins> heh, yeah, choice is good - most of the time ;)
[08:48] <JGJones> Hmm...when you pasted that URL...
[08:48] <oimon> have never listened to linux outlaws
[08:48] <JGJones> I looked at my phone
[08:48] <oimon> got abotu 5 minutes into 1 show and thought it was very ....meh
[08:48] <JGJones> instead of opening it in browser....the habit of checking twitter via phone is strong :)
[08:48] <hoover> I think all shows have their place
[08:49] <hoover> I even managed to ignore Fab's terrible accent and swearing after a while
[08:49] <Myrtti> oimon: +1
[08:49] <daubers> hoover: That just made me angry :(
[08:49] <dwatkins> I found the Security Now podcast interesting, although it's not OS-specific it has some interesting stuff about networking and security
[08:50] <oimon> i don't like to listen to people who swear a lot. which is why i disliked lugradio, just sounded like loads of drunk guys in a room swearing a lot
[08:51] <hoover> daubers: what exactly? Something I said?
[08:51] <daubers> hoover: No, the constant swearing in lo
[08:52] <daubers> After a certain point it just seems to imply that the people doing so can't make their point effectivley using acceptable english.
[08:52] <popey> Pip pip!
[08:52] <popey> We have had complaints about inappropriate language on uupc ☺
[08:52] <popey> well, _A_ complaint
[08:52] <popey> because someone said "damn" I think
[08:53] <knightwise> seriously ?
[08:53] <knightwise> and thats bad ?
[08:53] <popey> Some religious people think so, yes.
[08:53] <knightwise> oh please
[08:53]  * oimon wonders if the regular messages from the major are always the last thing in the show..then i know i can stop listening when the najor comes on and won't miss anything else
[08:53] <knightwise> for christ sake ! :p
[08:54] <popey> now now ☺
[08:54] <popey> well, on the ubuntu-users list I found out recently that "w*nker" is seen as a very tame word down-under
[08:54] <popey> whereas in the UK it's seen as quite a sweary word
[08:54]  * knightwise has nothing againt religious fanatics or anyone else with imaginary voices in their heads telling them what to do
[08:54] <popey> those silly colonies and their misuse of our langiage ;)
[08:54]  * popey shrugs
[08:55] <hoover> popey: religious people.... *sigh*
[08:56]  * hoover looks forward to his place at the foot of the beer volcano eventually
[08:56]  * knightwise sends his praise to the flying spaghetti monster ! Ooooh-Maaahh OOOO-Maaahh
[08:57] <hoover> lol
[08:59] <oimon> humm
[09:23] <s-fox> Hello
[09:27] <oimon> i don't really follow the news - can someone explain how NotW "hacked into people's phones?" are they referring to voicemail pin codes?
[09:28] <bigcalm> Good morning kids :)
[09:29] <Laney> yeah
[09:29] <Laney> i wonder how it was done really
[09:30] <oimon> i heard a 7/7 survivor saying ""My wife and I were kind of all over the place, we were chatting to friends on the phone, in a very personal and deeply emotional context - and the thought that somebody may have been listening to that just looking for a cheap headline is just horrendous." - surely the wife doesn't leave massive voicemail messages, rather just says "how u doing, call me"
[09:43] <JGJones> Best security against voicemails? Mine is completely uncrackable.
[09:43] <dwatkins> You turned off your voicemail, JGJones?
[09:43] <JGJones> No idea
[09:43] <JGJones> Never used it :D
[09:43] <dwatkins> You never use it?
[09:43] <dwatkins> hehe
[09:43] <JGJones> No point if you're deaf ;-)
[09:43] <Laney> what if people leave you messages?
[09:44] <dwatkins> JGJones: I assume you mostly use your mobile for texting, or are you only partially deaf?
[09:45] <popey> Laney: i suspect most people leave their pin as default
[09:45] <dwatkins> mostly as in "as opposed to making calls"
[09:45] <JGJones> No-one that know me would do that, and if it does happen, more likely to be a wrong number. Either way it'll not get used.
[09:45] <popey> Laney: there has also been comment that they use "social engineering" on people who work at call centres
[09:45] <dwatkins> I often get calls from my bank etc. but I guess if you've told them not to call they shouldn't do that
[09:46] <JGJones> dwatkins, in the early days, just texting, now quite a lot - ie email, twitter, google+, IM (googletalk), video calling and so on
[09:47] <dwatkins> Is there an online video conferencing system which is fast enough for sign language?
[09:47] <JGJones> plus when I give out numbers to banks etc - I give them 01234567890
[09:47] <dwatkins> I do the opposite occasionally - give out the number for my answerphone so people can't call and can only leave a message - not done that for some time though
[09:48] <JGJones> dwatkins, aye - Google+ Hangout is awesome for a group, although need to test with a larger group (I had 5/6 people)
[09:49] <JGJones> just a matter of bandwidth though - video resolution is 320x240 so not brilliant, but my wife does regularly call her deaf friend in canada via Skype - the quality's decent enough.
[09:49] <dwatkins> nifty, I have yet to test this myself. I work with a product which includes video conferencing, but I suspect it's not fast enough to catch everything someone is signing.
[09:55] <popey> google hangout is good fun
[09:57] <Daviey> popey: Yeah, i had a pretty good experience with it yesterday.. I was in two seperate hangouts, the first one with 3 people worked great - the second with one person suffered sound issues.
[09:57] <Daviey> The face switching works pretty damn well tho
[09:58] <popey> yeah, and echo cancellation
[09:58] <popey> i just used the mic on my webcam
[09:59] <bigcalm> Still waiting for access to google+. Am I missing anything?
[10:00] <popey> its quite good fun
[10:00] <popey> send me an email to my first dot last at gmail dot com
[10:00] <popey> (from your gmail account)
[10:00] <Daviey> bigcalm: you are missing out big style. :)
[10:00] <Daviey> does that help?
[10:01] <bigcalm> popey: cheers, one mo
[10:01]  * popey deletes all the messages on G+ about bigcalm sucking donkeys
[10:01] <hoover> hey biggi
[10:02] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:02] <bigcalm> Hey hoovie
[10:02] <Myrtti> I don't get huddles
[10:02] <bigcalm> I like huggles
[10:02] <Myrtti> ie. understand
[10:03] <bigcalm> Daviey: you're a treasure :)
[10:03] <Daviey> bigcalm: aye, i am
[10:04] <bigcalm> Maybe you'll get to tell me the cream egg story in August (if you're going)
[10:07] <popey> bigcalm: did that work?
[10:07] <popey> I added you to my "Friends" circle
[10:07] <bigcalm> I see nothing :(
[10:07] <popey> booooo
[10:07] <JGJones> Myrtti, huddle - just a group text chat app for mobiles only (currently only Android) - invite all folks in a circle or selected people and have a IM group chat.
[10:08] <JGJones> it's just like g+ hangout...except for the video and audio :)
[10:08] <davmor2> morning all
[10:08] <bigcalm> My android tablet has a front facing camera, would be nice to be able to use it for such things
[10:09] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:11] <oimon> bigcalm: how u getting on with teh tablet?
[10:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: which tablet?
[10:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: how's things dude
[10:16] <bigcalm> oimon: waiting for somebody to port CynogenMod onto it. I've got it rooted and Clockwork recovery running ok though
[10:16] <oimon> battery life?
[10:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: Kogan Agora 7" capacitive POS
[10:18] <bigcalm> oimon: poor. It keeps waking itself up to look for a 3g signal. The device has no 3g hardware. I think they rushed to get 2.3.3 onto it before shipping
[10:19] <bigcalm> My phone is more useable than the tablet, which is why I rarely bother to turn it on now
[10:20] <oimon> this is the problem with cheapo tech...we buy it to fulfil an urge, hoping it to be better than it is
[10:20] <oimon> i was tempted by it too
[10:20] <oimon> surely it's better than a joggler though :P
[10:21] <oimon> wonder how many irc users have that word highlighted :)
[10:21] <popey> heh
[10:22] <popey> wonder how many jogglers are sat in boxes
[10:22] <popey> I jailbroke my ipad today
[10:22] <popey> why did I do this?
[10:22] <popey> be nice if I could run Arm Ubuntu on it. but unlikely I guess
[10:22] <oimon> can you run android on it?
[10:23] <oimon> one of my friends dual boots windows mobile and android on his HTC phone
[10:24] <gord> can you not install applications that  you couldn't install before?
[10:24] <popey> i wouldn't want to run android on it
[10:24] <bigcalm> The tablet has HDMI out, so I guess it might be useful as a presentation device
[10:24] <popey> gord: i guess
[10:24] <gord> seems to be the only use case for jailbroken iphones as much as i have heard
[10:24] <popey> gord: not quite figured out what apps would be useful over and above the ones I have "legitimately"
[10:24] <gord> maybe flash?
[10:24] <oimon> wifi hotspot?
[10:25] <gord> i know adobe had a flash before, not sure if it got out in the wild
[10:25] <popey> wifi hotspot?
[10:25] <popey> its not a 3g device
[10:25] <gord> but yeah, there are eight squillion apps in the app store already, you prolly don't need more
[10:25] <popey> exactly
[10:26] <popey> i kinda stared at the cydia store and thought... "I dont need this stuff"
[10:26] <gord> i don't even root my android device, whats the point?
[10:26] <oimon> i thought ipads were just for reading the guardian and that bloke from QI's tweets anyway
[10:26] <gord> they seem to make good cat toys too :)
[10:26] <oimon> gord: i am considering it so that i can do a full image backup of the phone
[10:26] <popey> oimon: yes, that's a common misconception from people who dont own them
[10:26] <gord> which gave me an idea the other day, cat amusement park.
[10:26] <oimon> popey: due to the marketing
[10:27] <popey> er, no
[10:27] <bigcalm> gord: to improve upon the stock OS. Some features in CynogenMod have gone back into stock I think
[10:27] <popey> due to the closed minds and lack of imagination of apple haters :D
[10:27] <popey> "It's an ipod, *sheesh* can't be good for anything" </assumption>
[10:27] <popey> etc
[10:28] <gord> seriously, no one is interested in cat amusement parks? i thought it was a great idea
[10:28] <oimon> popey: i was more joking than trolling
[10:29] <oimon> but i do hear that the ipad version of twitter app only has an RT button and nothing else ;)
[10:29] <popey> trollolololol
[10:29] <oimon> and you automatically follow stephen fry when you sign in.
[10:30] <shauno> that explains everything
[10:30] <gord> fine, non of you can be part of the million dollar cat amusement park for cats of all ages
[10:30]  * oimon is a dog person
[10:30] <oimon> although my dog acts like a cat so i get all the benefits of both
[10:31] <popey> my cat is on twitter
[10:31] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/salempope
[10:32] <shauno> why on earth did I click that
[10:33] <popey> because you want to be updated whenever my cat tweets?
[10:33] <gord> followed!
[10:33]  * dutchie listens to popey's cat's audioboo while waiting out the first night in new minecraft world
[10:33] <dutchie> *munch munch munch*
[10:34] <shauno> also, why is goggle's new blackbar different shades of grey in different apps.  what on earth are they up to
[10:35] <oimon> dunno but i like it on my dark ubuntu theme
[10:36] <shauno> I don't mind the new layout at all, just not sure why it's not consistent
[10:39] <gord> its the same shade of black in in chrome/firefox for me
[10:40] <shauno> mine's giving me a much lighter grey in gmail
[10:40] <gord> oh right yes, but thats because gmail has a light theme going on
[10:40] <oimon> gmail is white for me
[10:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:45] <shauno> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/gmail.PNG   that's what I'm getting.  just different enough to be head-scratching
[10:46] <shauno> (yes, I'm fussy)
[10:57] <dwatkins> shauno: isn't that because you're logged in on one and not on the other?
[10:57] <danfish> a broadband speed map http://maps.ofcom.org.uk/broadband/
[10:58] <dwatkins> handy, danfish
[10:58] <daubers> Ah, tea is the best invention evah
[10:58] <gord> daaang handbrake-gtk doesn't work anymore
[10:58] <gord> time to learn the CLI version. or heaven forbid... ffmpeg =\
[10:59] <daubers> popey: I know someone who was given an ipad, and she says its the best tray for carrying around 2 wine glasses and a bottle of wine at the same time
[10:59] <shauno> dwatkins: nope, logged in on both  (and just double-checked they're the same user)
[10:59] <popey> i frequently carry coffee back from the restaurant on mine
[11:00] <Daviey> I use mine to jack up the car to change the wheel, there is an app for it.
[11:00] <dwatkins> shauno: they look different for me
[11:01] <dwatkins> shauno: I mean that I do see much more similar tabs in Google search compared to Google+, as opposed to what you are seeing
[11:02] <gord> does anyone happen to know why we hide dvdcss? i mean i get that its not installed but not in the repo's seems crazy
[11:09] <oimon> doesn't restricted-extras install it?
[11:10] <gord> no its not in the repos
[11:13] <gord> huh, handbrake runs 2/3 times faster on linux than it does on windows for me, neat
[11:22] <matti> AlanBell: Thanks, but I don't have G+ account ... I think :)
[11:22] <matti> Daviey: :)
[11:43] <oimon> can i replace a AMD sempron 3400+ processor socket M2 with an athlon 64 X2 processor?
[11:44] <directhex> oimon, you mean AM2?
[11:44] <oimon> yes
[11:45] <directhex> yes, some 2006-2007 athlon64 x2's are AM2
[11:45] <oimon> i have a good machine with crappy processor
[11:45] <directhex> even a few from 2008
[11:45] <oimon> how would i know what's compatible?
[11:54] <penguin42> oimon: I'd check on the website for the manufacturer of your motherboard
[11:55] <penguin42> oimon: It might also need a BIOS upgrade if you get a more recent processor than was around when it was bought
[11:55] <popey> gord: hide?
[11:55] <popey> oh, it's in medibuntu or something isnt it?
[11:55] <popey> it's a circumvention device, so i guess there's some legal reason
[11:56] <shauno> they should put it in the repos, but with some geoip-fu, so when americans try to download it, they get E_LANDOFTHEFREE  </troll>
[11:57] <gord> if you install libdvdread4 you get a script in /usr/share/something that goes to some website (i guess medibuntu) and downloads it. its just crap
[11:58] <davmor2> gord: oh you mean /usr/share/docs/libdvdread4/libdvdcss_install.sh or something along those lines
[11:59] <popey> thats the one
[11:59] <popey> hehe shauno
[12:00] <popey> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[12:00] <popey> sitert=http://packages.medibuntu.org/
[12:00] <popey> yup
[12:00] <davmor2> popey: hey I was close
[12:01] <gord> at the very least vlc/totem should pop up a thing saying "i'm so sorry about this, its horrible i know, but could you press Okay to agree to download and install this small library so i can play your dvd properly? again, very sorry!"
[12:01] <gord> maybe less verbose
[12:01] <popey> file a bug ☺
[12:01] <popey> (I agree with you)
[12:01] <popey> jockey should do it
[12:01] <popey> or whatever does codec stuff
[12:02] <gord> well right now its through gstreamer i think, maybe its something for jockey though yeah
[12:04] <oimon> can anyone suggest an irc room that might be useful for processor upgrade questions?
[12:06] <popey> ##windows
[12:06] <popey> :D
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> zing!
[12:37] <shauno> man, efnet's nowhere near as bad as I remember.  is the internet actually getting old and boring?
[12:44]  * penguin42 seems to remember there was a program that sat in an X connection and showed you what all the X commands sent were - but I can't remember the name - anyone?
[12:44] <hoover> hang on
[12:44] <hoover> xev
[12:44] <hoover> ?
[12:45] <penguin42> that's just events isn't it?
[12:45] <hoover> I guess
[12:45]  * penguin42 wants the commands going in the other direction
[12:45] <hoover> ah sorry
[12:47] <tugrik> try xspy, xpusher, and possibly xtester
[12:47] <tugrik> from memory getting them to compile might be "interesting"
[12:47] <penguin42> oh I can get anything to compile with a large enough hammer
[12:48] <tugrik> afair they're for keystrokes though... that might not be what you meant by "commands"
[12:48] <penguin42> no it's not
[12:48] <penguin42> I want things like the command from the app that changes the mouse pointer shape
[12:49] <penguin42> X protocol decoding
[12:49] <tugrik> ah, then I don't know, but... inevitably... I'd be interested in the name of the app when you find it
[12:49]  * penguin42 thought there was a proxy like thing at one point
[12:50] <shauno> xmon.sf.net looks prehistoric, but their last update was this month, so may be workable
[12:50] <penguin42> ah - xscope
[12:50] <penguin42> shauno: OOh promising
[12:53] <matti> MartijnVdS: Can I ask you to try to invite me to G+ if you still can?
[12:53] <penguin42> shauno: Well xmon's last update was 8 years ago in that cvs :-)
[12:54] <shauno> yeah, I just noticed that.  sf.net/xmon said first of july :/
[12:54] <shauno> bummer, the description sounded spot on.  but sourceforge strikes again :(
[12:55] <penguin42> shauno: It was - 9 years ago :-)
[12:55] <penguin42> looks like xscope is possibly what I want - it's even in git
[12:58] <penguin42> heck xscope while updated only 5 months ago has an ancient heritage 'xscope was originally written & used on a  Sun3'
[12:58] <shauno> nice
[13:23] <hoover> cheers all
[13:43] <andylockran> anyone working @ Millbank today?
[13:44] <davmor2> andylockran: the people in millbank are ;)
[13:44] <andylockran> muahahaha.
[13:57] <AlanBell> matti: oops, I removed you now, it should stop spamming you
[14:13] <matti> AlanBell: No, I don't mind :)
[14:13] <matti> AlanBell: I could use invite from somebody :)
[14:16] <gord> matti, as far as i know, google stopped sending out invites for a bit, so if someone invites you now you won't get in
[14:18] <popey> yeah
[14:19] <directhex> boo
[14:19] <directhex> cartmanland is not a business model to follow, google!
[14:19] <gord> ha, now i'm gonna have to dig out that episode
[14:22] <matti> gord: Oh, thanks :)
[14:22] <matti> gord: I did not know that :)
[14:25] <directhex> so much to do at google plus, but you guys can't come!
[14:25] <directhex> especially stan and kyle, i hate those guys!
[14:41] <penguin42> bah
[14:50] <xapel_> is popey here?
[14:52] <popey> xapel_: he is
[14:52] <xapel_> aha
[14:52] <davmor2> xapel_: no popey is over there he isn't here
[14:53] <xapel_> popey: we were chatting about a magic utility that you are developing to do remote desktop control for mumbuntu...and then you disappeared
[14:53] <popey> hah
[14:53] <popey> still developing it
[14:54] <xapel_> popey: hopefully that was to finish the coding quickly
[14:55] <xapel_> any idea when it will be ready?
[14:56] <xapel_> Will you put it in the Software Centre? ppa perhaps? How can I get it, when its done?
[14:57] <popey> heh, it's barely started
[14:58] <xapel_> oh
[14:58] <shauno> you don't just vnc in and ghost-write some stickies for her?
[14:58] <xapel_> :)
[14:59] <shauno> that's one thing I've always missed in vnc.  a way to pop up a notification saying "don't panic - it's shaun"
[15:00] <shauno> people get very odd about their cursor moving without them
[15:00] <gord> notify-send?
[15:00] <popey> it does popup
[15:01] <popey> in ubuntu the default vnc server does anyway
[15:01] <shauno> ah, ok
[15:02] <shauno> (I haven't had mother on linux for years.  she married a windows admin who "knew better", and it all went to pot)
[15:09]  * dogmatic69_ passed bike license \o/
[15:10] <bigcalm> Well done dogmatic69
[15:10] <bigcalm> _
[15:10] <dogmatic69_> ta
[15:10] <dogmatic69_> i can still say ive never failed a driving test before :)
[15:12] <oimon> passed my ITIL exam :)
[15:13] <dogmatic69_> what is that?
[15:15] <oimon> it's where you learn useless jargon for no reason other than to please managers
[15:26] <dogmatic69_> oimon: hehe
[15:26] <dogmatic69_> well done then
[15:34] <davmor2> oimon: that sounds like a really technical way of saying pebkac and it's a user interface issue
[16:07] <matti> oimon: Well done :)
[16:07] <matti> oimon: You are man of the process now :)
[16:08] <oimon> :(
[16:09] <davmor2> oimon: congratulations
[16:10] <oimon> thanks - was a bit of anticlimax in the end
[16:13] <daubers> Good day all round today
[16:14]  * daubers got his funding for OU stuff through today \o/
[16:16] <bigcalm_lappy486> Anybody here use a gmail notifier app that sits in the notification area?
[16:18] <gord> bigcalm_lappy486,  https://launchpad.net/gm-notify is what you want
[16:18] <bigcalm_lappy486> I'm trying out different ones, wondering if anybody had settled upon a good one
[16:18] <bigcalm_lappy486> gord: will have a look, ta
[16:19] <hamitron> bigcalm_lappy486: you're on a 486? :D
[16:20] <bigcalm_lappy486> Ooo, this does look promising
[16:20] <bigcalm_lappy486> hamitron: tis but a geek reference
[16:20] <hamitron> :/
[16:21] <hamitron> not dedicated enough to retro hardware.... some people
[16:21] <hamitron> ;)
[16:21] <directhex> strongbad, if i'm not mistaken
[16:23] <bigcalm_lappy486> directhex: correct
[16:23] <directhex> replacing compy386
[16:30] <bigcalm_lappy486> gord: this app doesn't allow for multiple gmail accounts then?
[16:33] <jacobw> daubers: what are you studying?
[16:33] <jacobw> daubers: and \o/
[16:34] <gord> bigcalm_lappy486, no idea
[16:34] <gord> bigcalm_lappy486, i have evolution/thunderbird hooked up to my gmail account, it tells me
[16:35] <bigcalm_lappy486> Ah
[16:37] <JGJones> That didn't take long...there's already websites springing up for G+ like this - http://gplus.to/ - give yourself a short simple URL to point to your G+ account
[16:41] <bigcalm_lappy486> Who has gpl.us?
[16:50] <popey> JGJones: http://gplus.to/popey :D
[16:53]  * bigcalm_lappy486 grrs
[16:54] <JGJones> mine's http://gplus.to/jgjones - amazingly enough it matches up with my nick in here...imagine that!
[16:54] <penguin42> JGJones: Do they steal your credentials at the same time?
[16:54] <JGJones> penguin42, and your entire bank account too - a fair trade I'll say ;-) - nah, it only point to a public page
[16:55]  * penguin42 doesn't have google+ yet :-(
[16:56]  * MartijnVdS has it on the wrong account
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> as it's not available yet on Apps
[17:05] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, I have an apps account but also a gmail one so I'm using that and hoping it will be simple to move it over
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: it's simple to export data.. haven't seen an "Import" button yet :(
[17:32] <pirate> hi, guys
[17:32] <pirate> I love ubuntu
[17:33] <brobostigon> Fb video calling using skype, hmm.
[17:34] <pirate> who has an invite for Google +?
[17:41] <brobostigon> however, it seems only to be one to one calling, unlike google+'s hangouts, that canbe more than one person tomore thn one person.
[17:41] <brobostigon> so FB is behind already.
[17:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had an invite to G+ this morning but the url gives a 404 :-(
[17:42] <brobostigon> :(
[18:08] <JGJones> OK that's my problem sorted...I only discovered that you can have sign in with multiple Google accounts
[18:09] <JGJones> so I can view my apps email and continue to sign in with gmail account for G+ and also sign in with work email (also an app account)
[18:21] <JGJones> brobostigon, you forgot another key thing - FB's video calling depends on Skype (it's already lagging behind on Linux for example). Google's Hangout - it's planned to move it over to WebRTC and make use of open standards such as WebM - it will be done in browsers, no plugins required (Opera, Firefox as well as Chrome all support WebRTC). Skype will require a plugin
[18:21] <JGJones> Thus if you use Hangout in future - in theory it should "just works"
[18:22] <JGJones> whereas with facebook "you need to install a plugin"....your plugin is out of date, please install etc etc etc
[18:22] <ali1234> skype has better telepathy integration today
[18:22] <ali1234> also i didn't need to install any plugin to make skype work on my phone
[18:23] <ali1234> also i am not the least bit interested in using a web browser to do everything
[18:23] <JGJones> ali1234, aye that's true. I'm interested in the different method they're using - Skype is peer to peer. Google's Hangout isn't, it use Google's servers.
[18:24] <JGJones> mind you - with webRTC being open standard - in theory you could make an app that meet those standard and have it work on Android etc
[18:25] <brobostigon> JGJones: quite true, yes. what is webrtc ?
[18:25] <brobostigon> and i would rather use open software, than something closed.
[18:26] <JGJones> brobostigon, https://sites.google.com/site/webrtc/
[18:26] <brobostigon> JGJones: thank you,
[18:26] <JGJones> brobostigon, ironically you realise that Skype actually use VP8 (webM) for their group video calling (in software)?
[18:27] <brobostigon> JGJones: i didnt know that, interesting.
[18:28] <JGJones> Dear very very lovely and generous people in here - you all are wonderful
[18:28] <brobostigon> :)
[18:28] <JGJones> Just saying that...in no reference whatsoever to the fact that my birthday's in Nov and I want this http://gradualpanic.com/2011/06/want-want-want/
[18:28] <JGJones> ahem...
[18:28] <JGJones> ;)
[18:28] <brobostigon> lol, :)
[18:29]  * brobostigon simply wants a nexus s.
[18:30] <brobostigon> unlocked, with an engineering bootloader, :)
[18:30] <jacobw> :o
[18:30] <jacobw> cool f1 thing
[18:45] <brobostigon> and two way NFC, wouldbe cool asell.
[18:48] <brobostigon> or the S2,
[18:51] <AlanBell> we have a meeting scheduled for a few minutes from now
[18:52] <brobostigon> around 8mins,
[18:57] <AlanBell> ok, so change of plan, lets use this channel rather than the meeting channel
[18:57] <AlanBell> and generally work together on the reapproval application
[18:57] <AlanBell> we can use IRC, etherpad, the wiki and perhaps mumble for voice conferencing
[18:58] <AlanBell> mumble.libertus.co.uk is the mumble server
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have a Nexus One, and I've been eyeing the Nexus S.. but I don't want to get it when there are "Nexus 3" rumours around :(
[18:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: you have a goodpoint, i couldnt afford one, right now though, either way.
[18:59] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval
[18:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and with my htc dream, i am used to unlocked and engineering bootloader.
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: My N1 was unlocked when I got it, I reflashed with US stock firmware (instead of UK/EU Voda firmware it came with)
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (to get updates earlier)
[19:00] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, yes, :)
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> same with my xoom -- though I had to unlock that (easily) manually
[19:05] <brobostigon> AlanBell: it is asking for a password.
[19:06] <brunogirin> is the meeting started?
[19:06] <AlanBell> brobostigon: ooh, hang on I will try and log in as admin and delete your password
[19:06] <AlanBell> brunogirin: we are having a slow start!
[19:06] <brobostigon> AlanBell: thank you.
[19:10] <brunogirin> AlanBell: good, that will help me keep track of the conversation as I'm on a flaky 3G connection :-)
[19:10] <AlanBell> brunogirin: I am just sending a mail to the list
[19:11] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i will login with a different username.
[19:13] <AlanBell> I am struggling to log on to anything with mumble on my laptop
[19:20] <AlanBell> ok, so activity focussing on this page http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval
[19:27] <popey> AlanBell: will join in on mumble shortly, am releasing a podcast
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> \o/ releasing a podcast
[19:28] <brobostigon> :)
[19:32] <bigcalm_lappy486> Release the zombies!
[19:32]  * MartijnVdS F5s the RSS feed
[20:02] <AlanBell> !stats
[20:04] <StevenR> hi. I've got some display corruption, pictures seem "ok", but there's some display aliasing, text is all invisible
[20:04] <StevenR> I can ctrl-alt-f2 to a console (irssi from there). This only occurred when I un-hibernated my laptop this evening. It's never occurred before.
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> might be a bug in un-hibernating
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> What kind of graphics chip do you have? Intel? AMD? NVidia? Something exotic?
[20:22] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[20:23] <StevenR> it's a toshiba T130 (Intel CULV CPU)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> I sometimes get a black screen instead of my desktop when I un-screensaver
[20:24] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: I've been unhibernating and hibernating since november, never seen this before.
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> try a reboot
[20:24] <StevenR> (it was lucid then, and I went lucid->mav->natty in ~6 hours
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> could be a one-off bug
[20:24] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: yeah, it came back ok after reboot
[20:25] <StevenR> it'd be nice to know what I could do next time though
[20:25] <StevenR> I tried closing the lid (suspends to ram) and resuming
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> "sudo service gdm restart"
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> that'll stop & restart X
[20:26] <StevenR> yeah, killing all my apps, etc
[20:26] <StevenR> (ideally I'd like a less destructive solution :D)
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> If you find one, I'd like to know too :)
[20:30] <StevenR> :D
[20:45] <penguin42> hmm I wonder if there is the possibility of adding to Xorg something that completely reinitialises all the backend - or if that already exists
[20:50] <oracology> That happens to me sometimes, but it's an actual hard lock where I need to physically reset the machine...I'm not sure of any way to solve your problem besides restarting gdm either...I'll keep looking/thinking.
[20:51] <brobostigon> gpu lockup?
[20:53] <oracology> not sure. I have an asus laptop and the scroll lock button flashes to indicate a proper hard lock. if it happens when I can still see things and work, my mouse stops and nothing responds.
[20:54] <brobostigon> have a look in dmesg, it will say.
[20:54] <oracology> penguin42: maybe one needs to write something to work with HAL or dbus for "helping" reset the backend for Xorg?
[20:55] <oracology> brobostigon: i can never see what happened in dmesg when i restart. when it hard locks, i can't do anything with the machine...:(
[20:55] <brobostigon> oracology: loginto it, via ssh and pull dmesg,
[20:55] <penguin42> oracology: I suspect between X and the kernel it can have a good go at doing it - it just needs a means of giving it a kick and the drivers writing in such a way to be able to do it - I don't know if that's doable
[20:55] <oracology> brobostigon: can't. it won't let me login via ssh either.
[20:56] <oracology> brobostigon: it's practically like having the machine turned off, except it's still on and completely unresponsive :)
[20:56] <brobostigon> oracology: ok, it isnt gpu lockup then, as it only locks up xorg and libdrm.
[20:56] <oracology> brobostigon: right. i had always assumed it was something more universal than just the gpu...
[20:56] <brobostigon> oracology: have a look in your backlogs in /var/log
[20:57] <oracology> brobostigon: will do the next time it happens. hasn't happened in a few weeks thankfully.
[20:57] <oracology> brobostigon: thanks for the suggestion. completely forgot about /var/log
[20:58] <oracology> penguin42: it might be doable by writing some sort of hook script to whatever sits between X and the kernel...i suspect hal or dbus again..? i'm not in the know when it comes to kernel stuff though (or Xorg)...just a thought.
[20:59] <penguin42> oracology: Oh  I don't think it needs that; you just need to kick either X or the kernel or both
[20:59] <brobostigon> oracology: :)
[20:59] <oracology> penguin42: but if you kick X, then that's like restarting gdm. i'm trying to think of a gentler solution like you suggested :)
[20:59] <penguin42> oracology: Oh by kick I meant something a bit more subtle
[21:00] <penguin42> oracology: more of a tap on the butt than a kick to the head :-)
[21:00] <oracology> penguin42: ah but back to square one now...does such a thing exist...it's a really good question actually. i'll see if i can find some answers (after i wake up in the morning) :)
[21:01] <oracology> 'night all! thanks for the insight/input/discussion!
[21:08] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E10  Sun and Steel - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/07/06/s04e10-sun-and-steel/
[21:09] <bigcalm_lappy486> regex help needed :) /^[a-zA-Z]{3,4}\d{8}[a-zA-Z]{2}$/
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> Would that match 1) A to Z, min 3 chars, max 4 chars. 2) 8 digits. 3) A to Z, min/max 2 chars
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> ?
[22:18] <BigRedS> yeah
[22:18] <BigRedS> assuming you mean exactly those thre in sequence, rather than each of those three optionally
[22:20] <BigRedS> bigcalm[revo]: ^^
[22:31] <Azelphur> what does C10K actually stand for?
[22:31] <Azelphur> I mean, I know what it means, but never heard what it actually stands for
[22:33] <BigRedS> it's ten thousand clients isn't it?
[22:34] <BigRedS> C = clients, 10K = ten thousand?
[22:34] <Azelphur> fun :)