=== sheep is now known as Guest63343 [05:27] morning everyone [05:30] Ssh! Speak Flemish.. or he'll understand us! :P [05:30] LOL [05:30] morning martijn [05:30] \o knightwise [05:31] hmmz , i moved my automated twidge jobs to another server , and now they appear NOT to work :( [05:31] its not the scripts , they work fine manualy , i just dont know if the crontab works [05:32] do you get emails from cron? [05:32] no , i dont think so [05:32] is there anything in /var/log about cron doing its thing? [05:33] nothing in there that says cron or anything [05:33] knightwise: is cron running? (ps ax) [05:34] yep [05:34] 8794 ? [05:34] try restarting it [05:34] also, check if the job really is there using crontab -e [05:35] yep , did both [05:35] wait , lets check the time on my machine [05:36] time on the machine is correct [05:36] 15 2 * * 1 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1 [05:36] these are the lines for example [05:37] knightwise: is the script executable? [05:37] knightwise: ls -l /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1 [05:38] -rwxr-xr-x 1 knightwise knightwise 181 2011-07-05 21:31 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1 [05:38] knightwise: it's only running at 2:15 in the morning, and the only if it's Monday [05:38] which might be why it didn't run last night.. [05:39] i know [05:39] but i also have this one [05:40] 30 7 * * 1,2,3,4,5 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/goodmorning [05:40] that one didn"t run either [05:40] knightwise: grep CRON /var/log/syslog doesn't return anything? [05:41] nope [05:41] blank line :( [05:41] Mine returns an anacron run every hour at least.. [05:41] you can try restarting cron [05:41] sudo invoke-rc.d cron restart [05:43] tried that too with sudo restart cron [05:43] I think you need "service" in there (service restart cron) [05:43] You can make a small cron job like this: [05:43] * * * * * /bin/echo "HI THERE!" [05:44] then your mailbox should fill up.. [05:44] ok , i'll try [05:44] just did your restart line and rescheduled the job for 7 45 [05:44] lets see if it turns up in the feed [05:44] tail -f /var/log/syslog.1 [05:44] uhr [05:44] tail -f /var/log/syslog [05:45] oh good idea.. check if your logs have been rotated :) [05:45] if they have, cron is working at least a little [05:46] Jul 6 07:45:01 nostromo CRON[9318]: (knightwise) CMD (/home/knightwise/twitterscripts/goodmorning) [05:46] Jul 6 07:45:03 nostromo CRON[9315]: (CRON) error (grandchild #9318 failed with exit status 1) [05:46] Jul 6 07:45:03 nostromo CRON[9315]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output) [05:46] no mta installed ? [05:58] mail transfer agent [05:58] postfix, nullmailer, etc. [06:00] should not be a reason for failure [06:01] weird [06:01] no [06:01] but it's trying to tell you what's wrong [06:01] and it can't [06:01] because it can't send mail [06:02] sudo apt-get install mta won't do the trick i think [06:04] knightwise: no, you need to choose and configure one [06:05] knightwise: like nullmailer (very simple program that doesn't do much, except send mail if your machine needs to [06:05] postfix is also available, but it's a monster to configure [06:05] same with exim, sendmail, etc. [06:07] you can also change your cron job to be something like this: [06:08] /path/to/your/cronjob >> $HOME/some_logfile 2>&1 [06:08] then it'll create (and append to) that file for every run [06:08] and you can read the errors there [06:08] knightwise: ^ [06:08] no mta installed ? holdon [06:08] i'll try that [06:11] ok [06:11] it creates the file , [06:12] there is however nothing in it [06:12] your script should be more verbose then ;) [06:12] off to work! [06:13] thanx :) i'll try looking around a little more :) [06:13] thanx again martijn [06:14] hay do any of you guys know what is ment by [06:15] FATAL: Module rt2800lib is in use [06:15] when i was trying to install drivers [06:15] using the command make wlunload [06:17] was trying to like install patched drivers [06:23] Hey cool - Giant Wombats on steroids! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14040349 [06:23] Morning all [06:25] damn so hard to find the right info sometimes : ( [06:28] TheOpenSourcerer: sounds like a made for TV film staring some actors who used to be famous [06:32] malcolm_: why are you "trying to like install patched drivers"? [06:40] um [06:40] trying to see if i can get somthing to work [06:42] thats somewhat vague [06:42] 'somewhat' being the understatement of the day so far ;-) [06:44] ive been messing about with aircrack-ng [06:44] and i keep running into a problem [06:44] when i try to connect to my ap [06:44] i get [06:44] well keep getting put on channel -1 [06:44] and the patch fixes this [06:49] Morning [06:49] but im having modual loading problems it seems [06:50] malcolm_: you probably need to unload the active module first [06:50] yeah i'm not sure how to do that yet : ) [06:50] you do realise you are going to end up with a system with broken networking? [06:51] rmmod unloads modules [06:51] well i can always just uninstall the drivers [07:00] mornin everyone [07:01] o/ [07:03] forgive me my friends for i have sinned [07:03] i have installed .. linux minr [07:03] t [07:03] and .. i like it [07:13] <_serial_> add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next (or firefox-stable depending on your pref) :) [07:13] knightwise: but it is just Ubuntu with the media codecs installed right? [07:14] yes [07:14] but i am looking at the rolling debian isntall too [07:14] <_serial_> you choose when on install when to install the media codecs, mint also gives you the ability to install on the welcome screen [07:29] morning all [07:35] AlanBell: there are other bits they have too [07:35] AlanBell: like a different menu, and a backup tool [07:44] aloha [07:48] o/ czajkowski [07:49] I just broke a hard drive :( [07:49] external enclosure, dropped it maybe 30cm onto carpet [07:49] well done [07:49] not a good start to the day AlanBell [07:50] not the best, but it was only backups [07:51] oh would ye all like a laugh [07:52] it again involved delays and trains going fecked up to get me home to ireland again like at xmas [07:52] though not to the same extent [07:52] karma gods seem to think it's funny [07:55] arrived at london bridge at 3:30 for 4:05 train no train driver till 4:30 [07:55] my 6:50 flight didnt take off till 8:15 when it should have been landing [07:55] amusing i can fly anywhere with no delays except to ireland [07:57] last time I flew to the UK, aer fungus were flying every 2 hours, but running 2 hours late [07:57] so everything looked like it was on time :/ [08:09] yay, external enclosure now has 500GB sata drive fitted [08:13] czajkowski, I seem to be lucky then - when I was living in N.Ireland - I didn't get any delays etc, in fact my planes nearly always arrived early. Once I arrived a day late though - I got on the wrong train [08:14] JGJones: it never happned me before till xmas and since then every time there has been some delay [08:14] anoying as i'm always early [08:15] Ah that might be where you're going wrong ;-) I always turn up "just in time" ;-) [08:16] heh [08:18] heh, interesting flamewar between the LAS and Linux Outlaws guys ;-) [08:18] * hoover gets himself some popcorn [08:21] is it on identi.ca by any chance? [08:23] hah [08:24] is this due to one person saying in Linux Format that Linux Outlaws is the best linux based podcast? [08:24] * popey notes that UUPC got a brief mention as "useful for distro hoppers" [08:24] which I find somewhat odd [08:24] * jpds watches popey install Gentoo while he's at it. [08:27] morning [08:28] note to self - "scp foo* dest && rm foo*" good [08:28] popey: what was odd about it? That you're classed as "useful" or that it was only a "brief mention"? :P [08:28] "scp foo* dest & rm foo*" not so good :( [08:29] popey: yep [08:29] wintellect: the "distro hoppers" bit [08:29] I thought the whole thing was a bit tongue in cheek to begin with ;-) [08:30] if anything uupc is useless for distro hoppers as it doesn't talk much about other distros === danfish_ is now known as danfish [08:34] wintellect: its a uk magazine, and barely mentioned a UK podcast that has had ~1.5 million downloads over 4 years [08:34] hey everyone :) [08:34] however, its just one guy who did the review [08:34] and he doesn't seem to give a toss [08:35] AlanBell: we have interviewed people from red hat and centos fwiw [08:36] heh, I'd forgotten about the concept of "swapiness" until just now... :) [08:36] great name [08:41] Good podcasts seem quite hard to come by [08:42] LO == Fab ranting with Dan trying to be sensible for an hour and a half.... been so long since I listened to LAS can't remember why I passed on it [08:42] * daubers grabs a recent ep [08:43] The great thing about Linux podcasts ... [08:43] * popey decides to tweet this instead of here :D [08:43] hehe [08:44] http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/88528616102699009 [08:44] there we go [08:47] heh, yeah, choice is good - most of the time ;) [08:48] Hmm...when you pasted that URL... [08:48] have never listened to linux outlaws [08:48] I looked at my phone [08:48] got abotu 5 minutes into 1 show and thought it was very ....meh [08:48] instead of opening it in browser....the habit of checking twitter via phone is strong :) [08:48] I think all shows have their place [08:49] I even managed to ignore Fab's terrible accent and swearing after a while [08:49] oimon: +1 [08:49] hoover: That just made me angry :( [08:49] I found the Security Now podcast interesting, although it's not OS-specific it has some interesting stuff about networking and security [08:50] i don't like to listen to people who swear a lot. which is why i disliked lugradio, just sounded like loads of drunk guys in a room swearing a lot [08:51] daubers: what exactly? Something I said? [08:51] hoover: No, the constant swearing in lo [08:52] After a certain point it just seems to imply that the people doing so can't make their point effectivley using acceptable english. [08:52] Pip pip! [08:52] We have had complaints about inappropriate language on uupc ☺ [08:52] well, _A_ complaint [08:52] because someone said "damn" I think [08:53] seriously ? [08:53] and thats bad ? [08:53] Some religious people think so, yes. [08:53] oh please [08:53] * oimon wonders if the regular messages from the major are always the last thing in the show..then i know i can stop listening when the najor comes on and won't miss anything else [08:53] for christ sake ! :p [08:54] now now ☺ [08:54] well, on the ubuntu-users list I found out recently that "w*nker" is seen as a very tame word down-under [08:54] whereas in the UK it's seen as quite a sweary word [08:54] * knightwise has nothing againt religious fanatics or anyone else with imaginary voices in their heads telling them what to do [08:54] those silly colonies and their misuse of our langiage ;) [08:54] * popey shrugs [08:55] popey: religious people.... *sigh* [08:56] * hoover looks forward to his place at the foot of the beer volcano eventually [08:56] * knightwise sends his praise to the flying spaghetti monster ! Ooooh-Maaahh OOOO-Maaahh [08:57] lol [08:59] humm [09:23] Hello [09:27] i don't really follow the news - can someone explain how NotW "hacked into people's phones?" are they referring to voicemail pin codes? [09:28] Good morning kids :) [09:29] yeah [09:29] i wonder how it was done really [09:30] i heard a 7/7 survivor saying ""My wife and I were kind of all over the place, we were chatting to friends on the phone, in a very personal and deeply emotional context - and the thought that somebody may have been listening to that just looking for a cheap headline is just horrendous." - surely the wife doesn't leave massive voicemail messages, rather just says "how u doing, call me" [09:43] Best security against voicemails? Mine is completely uncrackable. [09:43] You turned off your voicemail, JGJones? [09:43] No idea [09:43] Never used it :D [09:43] You never use it? [09:43] hehe [09:43] No point if you're deaf ;-) [09:43] what if people leave you messages? [09:44] JGJones: I assume you mostly use your mobile for texting, or are you only partially deaf? [09:45] Laney: i suspect most people leave their pin as default [09:45] mostly as in "as opposed to making calls" [09:45] No-one that know me would do that, and if it does happen, more likely to be a wrong number. Either way it'll not get used. [09:45] Laney: there has also been comment that they use "social engineering" on people who work at call centres [09:45] I often get calls from my bank etc. but I guess if you've told them not to call they shouldn't do that [09:46] dwatkins, in the early days, just texting, now quite a lot - ie email, twitter, google+, IM (googletalk), video calling and so on [09:47] Is there an online video conferencing system which is fast enough for sign language? [09:47] plus when I give out numbers to banks etc - I give them 01234567890 [09:47] I do the opposite occasionally - give out the number for my answerphone so people can't call and can only leave a message - not done that for some time though [09:48] dwatkins, aye - Google+ Hangout is awesome for a group, although need to test with a larger group (I had 5/6 people) [09:49] just a matter of bandwidth though - video resolution is 320x240 so not brilliant, but my wife does regularly call her deaf friend in canada via Skype - the quality's decent enough. [09:49] nifty, I have yet to test this myself. I work with a product which includes video conferencing, but I suspect it's not fast enough to catch everything someone is signing. [09:55] google hangout is good fun [09:57] popey: Yeah, i had a pretty good experience with it yesterday.. I was in two seperate hangouts, the first one with 3 people worked great - the second with one person suffered sound issues. [09:57] The face switching works pretty damn well tho [09:58] yeah, and echo cancellation [09:58] i just used the mic on my webcam [09:59] Still waiting for access to google+. Am I missing anything? [10:00] its quite good fun [10:00] send me an email to my first dot last at gmail dot com [10:00] (from your gmail account) [10:00] bigcalm: you are missing out big style. :) [10:00] does that help? [10:01] popey: cheers, one mo [10:01] * popey deletes all the messages on G+ about bigcalm sucking donkeys [10:01] hey biggi [10:02] Haha [10:02] Hey hoovie [10:02] I don't get huddles [10:02] I like huggles [10:02] ie. understand [10:03] Daviey: you're a treasure :) [10:03] bigcalm: aye, i am [10:04] Maybe you'll get to tell me the cream egg story in August (if you're going) [10:07] bigcalm: did that work? [10:07] I added you to my "Friends" circle [10:07] I see nothing :( [10:07] booooo [10:07] Myrtti, huddle - just a group text chat app for mobiles only (currently only Android) - invite all folks in a circle or selected people and have a IM group chat. [10:08] it's just like g+ hangout...except for the video and audio :) [10:08] morning all [10:08] My android tablet has a front facing camera, would be nice to be able to use it for such things [10:09] Hi davmor2 [10:11] bigcalm: how u getting on with teh tablet? [10:11] bigcalm: which tablet? [10:14] MooDoo: how's things dude [10:16] oimon: waiting for somebody to port CynogenMod onto it. I've got it rooted and Clockwork recovery running ok though [10:16] battery life? [10:17] davmor2: Kogan Agora 7" capacitive POS [10:18] oimon: poor. It keeps waking itself up to look for a 3g signal. The device has no 3g hardware. I think they rushed to get 2.3.3 onto it before shipping [10:19] My phone is more useable than the tablet, which is why I rarely bother to turn it on now [10:20] this is the problem with cheapo tech...we buy it to fulfil an urge, hoping it to be better than it is [10:20] i was tempted by it too [10:20] surely it's better than a joggler though :P [10:21] wonder how many irc users have that word highlighted :) [10:21] heh [10:22] wonder how many jogglers are sat in boxes [10:22] I jailbroke my ipad today [10:22] why did I do this? [10:22] be nice if I could run Arm Ubuntu on it. but unlikely I guess [10:22] can you run android on it? [10:23] one of my friends dual boots windows mobile and android on his HTC phone [10:24] can you not install applications that you couldn't install before? [10:24] i wouldn't want to run android on it [10:24] The tablet has HDMI out, so I guess it might be useful as a presentation device [10:24] gord: i guess [10:24] seems to be the only use case for jailbroken iphones as much as i have heard [10:24] gord: not quite figured out what apps would be useful over and above the ones I have "legitimately" [10:24] maybe flash? [10:24] wifi hotspot? [10:25] i know adobe had a flash before, not sure if it got out in the wild [10:25] wifi hotspot? [10:25] its not a 3g device [10:25] but yeah, there are eight squillion apps in the app store already, you prolly don't need more [10:25] exactly [10:26] i kinda stared at the cydia store and thought... "I dont need this stuff" [10:26] i don't even root my android device, whats the point? [10:26] i thought ipads were just for reading the guardian and that bloke from QI's tweets anyway [10:26] they seem to make good cat toys too :) [10:26] gord: i am considering it so that i can do a full image backup of the phone [10:26] oimon: yes, that's a common misconception from people who dont own them [10:26] which gave me an idea the other day, cat amusement park. [10:26] popey: due to the marketing [10:27] er, no [10:27] gord: to improve upon the stock OS. Some features in CynogenMod have gone back into stock I think [10:27] due to the closed minds and lack of imagination of apple haters :D [10:27] "It's an ipod, *sheesh* can't be good for anything" [10:27] etc [10:28] seriously, no one is interested in cat amusement parks? i thought it was a great idea [10:28] popey: i was more joking than trolling [10:29] but i do hear that the ipad version of twitter app only has an RT button and nothing else ;) [10:29] trollolololol [10:29] and you automatically follow stephen fry when you sign in. [10:30] that explains everything [10:30] fine, non of you can be part of the million dollar cat amusement park for cats of all ages [10:30] * oimon is a dog person [10:30] although my dog acts like a cat so i get all the benefits of both [10:31] my cat is on twitter [10:31] http://twitter.com/#!/salempope [10:32] why on earth did I click that [10:33] because you want to be updated whenever my cat tweets? [10:33] followed! [10:33] * dutchie listens to popey's cat's audioboo while waiting out the first night in new minecraft world [10:33] *munch munch munch* [10:34] also, why is goggle's new blackbar different shades of grey in different apps. what on earth are they up to [10:35] dunno but i like it on my dark ubuntu theme [10:36] I don't mind the new layout at all, just not sure why it's not consistent [10:39] its the same shade of black in in chrome/firefox for me [10:40] mine's giving me a much lighter grey in gmail [10:40] oh right yes, but thats because gmail has a light theme going on [10:40] gmail is white for me [10:43] good morning everyone. [10:45] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/gmail.PNG that's what I'm getting. just different enough to be head-scratching [10:46] (yes, I'm fussy) [10:57] shauno: isn't that because you're logged in on one and not on the other? [10:57] a broadband speed map http://maps.ofcom.org.uk/broadband/ [10:58] handy, danfish [10:58] Ah, tea is the best invention evah [10:58] daaang handbrake-gtk doesn't work anymore [10:58] time to learn the CLI version. or heaven forbid... ffmpeg =\ [10:59] popey: I know someone who was given an ipad, and she says its the best tray for carrying around 2 wine glasses and a bottle of wine at the same time [10:59] dwatkins: nope, logged in on both (and just double-checked they're the same user) [10:59] i frequently carry coffee back from the restaurant on mine [11:00] I use mine to jack up the car to change the wheel, there is an app for it. [11:00] shauno: they look different for me [11:01] shauno: I mean that I do see much more similar tabs in Google search compared to Google+, as opposed to what you are seeing [11:02] does anyone happen to know why we hide dvdcss? i mean i get that its not installed but not in the repo's seems crazy [11:09] doesn't restricted-extras install it? [11:10] no its not in the repos [11:13] huh, handbrake runs 2/3 times faster on linux than it does on windows for me, neat [11:22] AlanBell: Thanks, but I don't have G+ account ... I think :) [11:22] Daviey: :) [11:43] can i replace a AMD sempron 3400+ processor socket M2 with an athlon 64 X2 processor? [11:44] oimon, you mean AM2? [11:44] yes [11:45] yes, some 2006-2007 athlon64 x2's are AM2 [11:45] i have a good machine with crappy processor [11:45] even a few from 2008 [11:45] how would i know what's compatible? [11:54] oimon: I'd check on the website for the manufacturer of your motherboard [11:55] oimon: It might also need a BIOS upgrade if you get a more recent processor than was around when it was bought [11:55] gord: hide? [11:55] oh, it's in medibuntu or something isnt it? [11:55] it's a circumvention device, so i guess there's some legal reason [11:56] they should put it in the repos, but with some geoip-fu, so when americans try to download it, they get E_LANDOFTHEFREE [11:57] if you install libdvdread4 you get a script in /usr/share/something that goes to some website (i guess medibuntu) and downloads it. its just crap [11:58] gord: oh you mean /usr/share/docs/libdvdread4/libdvdcss_install.sh or something along those lines [11:59] thats the one [11:59] hehe shauno [12:00] /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh [12:00] sitert=http://packages.medibuntu.org/ [12:00] yup [12:00] popey: hey I was close [12:01] at the very least vlc/totem should pop up a thing saying "i'm so sorry about this, its horrible i know, but could you press Okay to agree to download and install this small library so i can play your dvd properly? again, very sorry!" [12:01] maybe less verbose [12:01] file a bug ☺ [12:01] (I agree with you) [12:01] jockey should do it [12:01] or whatever does codec stuff [12:02] well right now its through gstreamer i think, maybe its something for jockey though yeah [12:04] can anyone suggest an irc room that might be useful for processor upgrade questions? [12:06] ##windows [12:06] :D [12:06] zing! [12:37] man, efnet's nowhere near as bad as I remember. is the internet actually getting old and boring? [12:44] * penguin42 seems to remember there was a program that sat in an X connection and showed you what all the X commands sent were - but I can't remember the name - anyone? [12:44] hang on [12:44] xev [12:44] ? [12:45] that's just events isn't it? [12:45] I guess [12:45] * penguin42 wants the commands going in the other direction [12:45] ah sorry [12:47] try xspy, xpusher, and possibly xtester [12:47] from memory getting them to compile might be "interesting" [12:47] oh I can get anything to compile with a large enough hammer [12:48] afair they're for keystrokes though... that might not be what you meant by "commands" [12:48] no it's not [12:48] I want things like the command from the app that changes the mouse pointer shape [12:49] X protocol decoding [12:49] ah, then I don't know, but... inevitably... I'd be interested in the name of the app when you find it [12:49] * penguin42 thought there was a proxy like thing at one point [12:50] xmon.sf.net looks prehistoric, but their last update was this month, so may be workable [12:50] ah - xscope [12:50] shauno: OOh promising [12:53] MartijnVdS: Can I ask you to try to invite me to G+ if you still can? [12:53] shauno: Well xmon's last update was 8 years ago in that cvs :-) [12:54] yeah, I just noticed that. sf.net/xmon said first of july :/ [12:54] bummer, the description sounded spot on. but sourceforge strikes again :( [12:55] shauno: It was - 9 years ago :-) [12:55] looks like xscope is possibly what I want - it's even in git [12:58] heck xscope while updated only 5 months ago has an ancient heritage 'xscope was originally written & used on a Sun3' [12:58] nice [13:23]