[00:00] <gamerchick02> will it be done by 9? (history detectives nerd here. hah)
[00:00] <gamerchick02> but i'm here.
[00:01] <greg-g> yeah, it should be
[00:01] <greg-g> alright, so, lets go
[00:01] <greg-g> MEETING TIME!
[00:01] <greg-g> welcome to the meeting, the agenda is here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/79/detail/
[00:01] <widox> hola
[00:01] <gamerchick02> guten tag
[00:01] <greg-g> heya widox :)
[00:02] <greg-g> So, agenda item number 1, Team Reports
[00:02] <greg-g> these need to be done by October so we can be reapproved
[00:02] <greg-g> I have put some time into creating the ones found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports/
[00:02] <greg-g> I don't know how far back we should go, really, probably just a year or 1.5 at most
[00:03] <greg-g> I mean, to get initiall approval that is sufficient
[00:03] <greg-g> So, here are some ideas:
[00:03] <rick_h_> meeting?
[00:03] <rick_h_> okie
[00:04] <greg-g> 1. I know I missed some stuff/activity that might not have been directly LoCo focused but LoCo people were involved in. I think that stuff should be recorded. So, lets go through the mailing list and see if there were any announcements that could be listed in a report
[00:04] <widox> I used Ubuntu in 2010!
[00:04] <_stink_> hah
[00:04] <_stink_> +1
[00:04] <gamerchick02> so'd i, widox, but i don't think that really counts.
[00:04] <gamerchick02> :-P
[00:05] <widox> ah, shucks
[00:05] <greg-g> 2. who wants to take the reigns and get the "big events" listed back to May of 2010?
[00:05] <greg-g> or maybe, April, to get the release party
[00:05] <gamerchick02> what about future events? i'd like to have a local-ish ubuntu hour for Saginaw/Bay/Midland
[00:06] <greg-g> gamerchick02: definitely! I think you should pick a time/date/location and "Just Do It" (TM)
[00:06] <greg-g> after the first couple people will start showing up if we announce it
[00:06] <gamerchick02> ok. gotta look at my calendar, thanks.
[00:07] <greg-g> I can help with announcing if you want, but I think you should do the email to the list to get your name associated with it
[00:07] <greg-g> (man, it is tough to type with slightly oily hands)
[00:07] <greg-g> so, who wants to help with the two ideas I listed above?
[00:07] <greg-g> :)
[00:08] <greg-g> ...
[00:08] <greg-g> :P
[00:08] <gamerchick02> i can go through my email and see what was announced.
[00:09] <gamerchick02> when do you need it by?
[00:09] <greg-g> alright, I'll put some time into number 2, awesome, thanks gamerchick02
[00:09] <greg-g> gamerchick02: sooner the better, but hard deadline is late August/early September to get on the agenda for the LoCo Council meeting in October
[00:10] <greg-g> gamerchick02: if you need help with the wiki part of it, let me know. Or just sending me links/dates/details is useful too!
[00:10] <gamerchick02> ok. i've got a gene kelly blog post to write by friday this week, and some other stuff... but i can work on it this week and next and see where i am next friday.
[00:10] <greg-g> rock, thanks
[00:10] <gamerchick02> i might just opt for sending you the dates etc.
[00:11] <greg-g> np
[00:11] <greg-g> Ok, I think that is enough Team Reports for now...
[00:11] <greg-g> Agenda Item #2: Global Jam is Sept 2-4
[00:12] <greg-g> we've been consistently getting about 15 people at SRT each Jam, and I think we should definitely get this one going
[00:12] <greg-g> I'm almost convinced of just keeping it at SRT for consistency's sake
[00:12] <greg-g> but I'd be willing to deviate if people think it would be wise
[00:13] <greg-g> of note: I'll be out of town that weekend (sister's wedding), not that it matters a whole ton. Someone should just be in charge of making sure the room is available/open and that people are greeted :)
[00:14] <greg-g> rick_h_: snap-l jrwren you 3 wanna make sure that the Global Jam happens on the weekend of Sept 2-4th?
[00:14] <gamerchick02> what day are you looking at?
[00:14] <greg-g> we usually do the saturday
[00:14] <greg-g> seems to work. We've done sundays as well
[00:16] <gamerchick02> ok. i'd like to attend one of these. i'll see if one of those days works for me. thanks.
[00:16] <greg-g> gamerchick02: cool, just let me know :)
[00:16] <gamerchick02> :)
[00:16] <greg-g> I'll email those 3 in a bit to see what we can get going
[00:16] <greg-g> alright...
[00:16] <greg-g> agenda item #3: Google Calendar Decomission
[00:17] <greg-g> this is mostly snap-l and Wolfger's baby.
[00:17] <greg-g> I think if we just start linking to the LD calendar everwhere, we have effectively decommissioned the GCal one.
[00:17] <gamerchick02> i think that makes sense, greg-g
[00:17] <greg-g> it could live on for some people if they want a calendar that has the MUG/MDLUG stuff, but I won't worry about keeping it updated
[00:18] <gamerchick02> will this be an i-cal or something so you can sub in like thunderbird?
[00:18] <greg-g> yep
[00:18] <greg-g> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical
[00:19] <gamerchick02> awesome.
[00:19] <greg-g> cool, well with gamerchick02 and I's votes, this motion passes ;)
[00:19] <greg-g> very efficient meeting with two people :P
[00:19] <gamerchick02> is that all who's taking part?
[00:19] <gamerchick02> wow.
[00:19] <gamerchick02> so, do you have meetings with yourself some months?
[00:20] <greg-g> no, sometimes others do it without me :)
[00:20] <gamerchick02> and yes, i'm horrible, because i miss them all too often.
[00:20] <greg-g> this one was weird because we moved it to today because of the holiday weekend, they are normally sunday nights
[00:20] <gamerchick02> ah.
[00:20] <greg-g> which explains the low turnout
[00:20] <gamerchick02> sometimes i'm around Sunday night. sometimes not.
[00:21] <greg-g> though widox and _stink_ suspiciously disappeared after we started assigning tasks to people :P
[00:21] <gamerchick02> if it's second Tuesday, i generally can't make it (Nile).
[00:21] <gamerchick02> ofc.
[00:21] <snap-l> Sorry, was traveling between parents and here
[00:21] <snap-l> sorry. :)
[00:21] <gamerchick02> hey, snap-l's back!
[00:21] <greg-g> snap-l: no worries :)
[00:21] <gamerchick02> welcome!
[00:21] <widox> greg-g: doh, got side tracked
[00:21] <widox> greg-g: down with gcal!
[00:21] <greg-g> well, you guys read the scroll back real quick, not a whole lot to it, and tell me what you think :)
[00:22] <snap-l> Yeah, I think the Google calendar has outlived it's usefulness for our purposes.
[00:22] <_stink_> back
[00:23] <snap-l> I'd say we should retire the current calendar, and then if someone wants to make a new local activites calendar, that would be awesome.
[00:23] <greg-g> word
[00:23] <greg-g> didn't/doesn't SRT do that for A2 stuff?
[00:24] <snap-l> kind of
[00:25] <snap-l> Not sure who to contact over there to put up events and what-not. Maybe Dianne?
[00:25] <snap-l> (Marsh)
[00:25] <greg-g> yeah, would assume so
[00:27] <greg-g> any other comments on anything from anyone?
[00:28] <gamerchick02> i'll look into an ubuntu hour for Saginaw/Bay/Midland. if i get a decent date would someone be willing to at least sit with me so i'm not alone in the coffee shop?
[00:28] <gamerchick02> heh.
[00:28] <greg-g> it is a bit of a drive for me :/
[00:29] <gamerchick02> well, i was hoping someone a little closer to me.
[00:29] <gamerchick02> but i could do a saturday or something.
[00:29] <snap-l> You might want to announce to the list to see who is in the area
[00:29] <snap-l> I think the list doesn't get used for as much as it should.
[00:29] <greg-g> yeah, ditto
[00:29] <greg-g> (like announcing tonight's meeting, my bad)
[00:29] <gamerchick02> ok. i'll look at my calendar.
[00:30] <greg-g> gamerchick02: thre was one person who responded to the idea initially, right?
[00:30] <greg-g> local to you
[00:30] <gamerchick02> i've got a couple things going on in the next few months
[00:30] <gamerchick02> yes
[00:30] <snap-l> greg-g: No worries. :)
[00:30] <gamerchick02> a guy at SVSU or Delta or something.
[00:30] <greg-g> right right
[00:30] <greg-g> I think it'll fly (by that I mean, it won't be just you)
[00:30] <gamerchick02> cool.
[00:31] <gamerchick02> i'd feel a little silly just sitting there on my own.
[00:31] <gamerchick02> but i will have my laptop, so i can just look like another computer user in the coffee shop.
[00:31] <greg-g> hey! feature request for loco directory! Send an email to the team's list the day before a scheduled meeting with a reminder and the contents of the agenda (if any)!
[00:31] <gamerchick02> good idea.
[00:32] <greg-g> gamerchick02: tip: if you can, print a little peice of paper to fold on the table you are at that says "Ubuntu Hour" on it
[00:32] <gamerchick02> i can do that.
[00:32] <gamerchick02> i think i have the official artwork too.
[00:32] <greg-g> sometimes people who aren't on the list see that and speak up/ask questions, too, which is awesome
[00:32] <gamerchick02> so i can make up a poster or something in libreoffice
[00:32] <greg-g> rock
[00:32] <gamerchick02> :)
[00:33] <snap-l> So, who owns the Ubuntu calendar now?
[00:33] <snap-l> I only have edit on it
[00:35] <greg-g> looks like me, snap-l
[00:35] <snap-l> OK, want to remove it, then?
[00:35] <greg-g> sure thing
[00:35] <snap-l> Awesome.
[00:36] <greg-g> should be gone
[00:36] <snap-l> (Does anyone else not like the new theme for Google Calendar, btw?)
[00:38] <gamerchick02> i'm getting used to the new theme.
[00:38] <gamerchick02> it's... different.
[00:38] <gamerchick02> same with the new email interface.
[00:38] <snap-l> Yeah, overall it's not bad, but the dark letters don't work well for me.
[00:40] <greg-g> yeah, not sure about it here, either.
[00:40] <greg-g> BTW: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/806262
[00:41] <gamerchick02> subscribed.
[00:41] <greg-g> confirm that sh!t
[00:41] <snap-l> Confirmed.
[00:41] <greg-g> sweet
[00:41] <greg-g> also do the "affects me too" thing!
[00:41] <snap-l> And did that too
[00:42] <gamerchick02> oh yeah.
[00:42] <snap-l> I've been to bug jams. ;)
[00:42] <gamerchick02> i did the affects me thing too
[00:42] <greg-g> yay, snap-l learned something at them!
[00:42] <greg-g> :)
[00:43] <snap-l> I am smart. ;)
[00:44] <greg-g> I am so smart, S M R T
[00:44] <snap-l> Doesn't work well over IRC.
[00:44] <greg-g> yeah, not so much :/
[00:45] <gamerchick02> hah, snap-l and greg-g
[00:45] <greg-g> brb
[00:45] <greg-g> thanks for being at the meeting, though, everyone!
[00:46] <gamerchick02> you're welcome
[00:46] <snap-l> Thank you, fearless leader greg-g !
[00:47]  * widox claps
[00:48] <snap-l> The logs appear not to be up to date yet.
[00:49] <snap-l> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/06/%23ubuntu-us-mi.html#t00:00
[00:50] <greg-g> hmmmm
[00:50] <snap-l> I'm sure it'll catch up
[00:53] <gamerchick02> i hope so.
[00:53] <gamerchick02> ok, it's almost time for ice cream and History Detectives.
[00:54] <gamerchick02> see ya'll tomorrow. i'll have to buckle down and write. hah. and go through those ubuntu-mi posts.
[00:54] <greg-g> have a good night, gamerchick02 !
[00:55] <gamerchick02> i will. see everyone tomorrow!! :)
[00:55] <snap-l> Going to go clean the coffeepot for tomorrow, and get this inbox down to 0 (note: not e-mail)
[01:08] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[01:09] <greg-g> :)
[01:09] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: go read the scroll back and tell me what you want to volunteer for! ;)
[01:11] <ColonelPanic001> porn reviewer
[01:14] <ColonelPanic001> reading
[01:15] <ColonelPanic001> wait, where the "volunteering" part?
[01:17] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: Team Reports, mostly :)
[01:23] <ColonelPanic001> so,coming to CHC, then? :P
[01:23] <ColonelPanic001> NOES.
[01:23] <ColonelPanic001> TOO FARS
[01:23] <ColonelPanic001> I do a Downriver CHC with a former coworker, actually
[12:02] <greg-g> quiet morning :)
[12:06] <snap-l> Didn't get a lot of sleep last night
[12:06] <greg-g> too hot?
[12:11] <snap-l> No, he has Parkinsons, and gets stuck
[12:12] <snap-l> er, my Father In Law, rather
[12:13] <snap-l> so when he gets stuck, or falls or whatever, he calls us
[12:13] <snap-l> and when he doesn't get sleep, he tends to freeze up more often
[12:13] <snap-l> which in turn nets us less sleep
[12:25] <greg-g> oh, so sorry :/
[12:26] <rick_h_> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ihu4m/pegasus_a_postgresql_driver_in_actionscript/
[12:26] <rick_h_> I don't think he sold his cause in that title there
[12:26] <rick_h_> snap-l: rough night? Ugh
[12:29] <Wolfger> Aw man... I forgot it was IRC meeting night last night
[12:43] <greg-g> Wolfger: then you get to help with the Team Reports! :)
[12:45] <Wolfger> wait, what?
[12:54] <snap-l> greg-g: rick_h_: Thanks. No worries, though
[12:54] <snap-l> We're looking seriously into assisted living at this point.
[12:54] <snap-l> If only temporary. I'm still holding out hope that with some therapy and willingness on a stubborn man, we can make this work.
[12:55] <ColonelPanic001> I always thought the idea of nursing homes, etc, sounded horrible, until I met my gf, heard about her grandfather
[12:55] <ColonelPanic001> sounds like he was happier, better cared for, etc. Better for everyone.
[12:55] <snap-l> Well, it depends
[12:55] <snap-l> there's two schools of nursing homes
[12:55] <ColonelPanic001> but then, that was alzheimer's (guessing the spelling), not parkinsons
[12:55] <snap-l> one type of nursing home leaves folks alone
[12:55] <snap-l> the other tries to be more active and open
[12:56] <snap-l> we're looking for something more active, obviously.
[12:56] <snap-l> But also one that isn't insultingly active
[12:56] <ColonelPanic001> I'd offer to find the name of the one her grandfather went to, but it's down here out of your area anyway
[12:56] <snap-l> ie: bingo and other curmudgeonly sports.
[12:56] <snap-l> Yeah, thanks.
[12:56] <ColonelPanic001> SHUFFLEBOARD
[12:57] <snap-l> We have several options
[12:57] <ColonelPanic001> good, good
[12:57] <snap-l> My grandmother was in an American House after she took a tumble, and my parents realized she couldn't be left by herself
[12:57] <snap-l> she also had lung issues from years of smoking
[12:58] <brousch> crap. i missed last night's meeting
[12:58] <snap-l> emphysemia.
[12:58] <snap-l> (sp)
[12:58] <ColonelPanic001> no worries, I don't know how to spell it offhand either
[12:58] <ColonelPanic001> hjeh
[12:59] <ColonelPanic001> or type. damnit.
[12:59] <snap-l> Funny thing is some of my childhood was at a nursing home
[13:00] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l started life senile.
[13:00] <ColonelPanic001> then he... well, got older.
[13:00] <snap-l> a) my great grandfather was in one, and b) my aunt's kids and I would play Santa's Helpers at the nursing home
[13:00] <snap-l> so I got exposed to it early on
[13:00] <ColonelPanic001> ah. never been in one
[13:01] <snap-l> Yeah, I think a lot of folks haven't.
[13:01] <brousch> greg-g: sorry i missed the meeting, especially since i was the one that requested the move to that date
[13:01] <snap-l> so they think thy're essentially old people asylums
[13:01] <snap-l> brousch: Boil some pasta and whip thineself with a freshly cooked noodle
[13:02] <snap-l> AND MAKE SURE IT'S AL-DENTE OR IT DOESN'T COUNT!
[13:02] <rick_h_> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/2011/07/firefox_vision_and_ios.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HackingForChrist+%28Hacking+for+Christ%29
[13:02] <snap-l> Something for the youth group?
[13:03] <brousch> i don't think that would actually hurt
[13:03] <snap-l> Wow, this thread gets ugly quickly.
[13:03] <snap-l> brousch: And you must post photos online
[13:03] <snap-l> and video
[13:04] <snap-l> so I may have content for pastawhippers.com
[13:04] <snap-l> and charge folks $9.95 per month
[13:04] <brousch> oooh, there's not even a squatter site at pastawhippers.com
[13:05] <brousch> go for it
[13:05] <snap-l> brousch: You are a braver man than I
[13:05] <snap-l> I didn't even want to do a whois on it. ;)
[13:05] <Wolfger> afraid you'll learn of a new fetish?
[13:05] <snap-l> Wolfger: The Internet has taught me a great many things
[13:06] <snap-l> some of which I'd now like to unlearn
[13:06] <Wolfger> You know there's a law that states that simply by imagining a fetish, it springs into existence on the internet, right? So.... thanks a lot. You just inflicted that on the world.
[13:07] <snap-l> In the immortal words of John Hodgeman: You're Welcome.
[13:08] <Wolfger> Hey, wasn't somebody here a big Big Lebowski fan?
[13:09] <Wolfger> if so, check teefury.com today.
[13:10] <snap-l> I do like the Tie Life design on the right
[13:10] <Wolfger> it's funny.... I remember when people would actually *say* "HTTP colon slash slash" when giving a url. Now we completely drop the http:// and the www. and just cut to the chase.
[13:11] <snap-l> Or they say "HTTP:\\..."
[13:11] <Wolfger> That one's good, but I'm a bigger fan of Admiral Ack Bar
[13:11] <snap-l> Saying \ instead of / makes me stabby.
[13:13] <Wolfger> as well it should
[13:17] <Wolfger> Thirteen thousand dollars in unpaid parking fines? That's... a little excessive. http://www.freep.com/article/20110706/NEWS01/107060332/The-5-people-who-owe-Detroit-most-parking-tickets
[13:19] <snap-l>  Janice Suber, 33, of Detroit, who has 154 tickets totaling $11,450. After the Free Press knocked on her door in North Rosedale Park, she e-mailed: "I was a student at Wayne State University at the time. I will begin recompense immediately."
[13:20] <snap-l> I'd love to know where she parked to amass that many parking tickets
[13:20] <snap-l> I mean, it's not hard, but just curious.
[13:29] <Wolfger> I can understand getting (and not paying) one ticket... but to do it 154 times.... There's something wrong with your brain.
[14:32] <snap-l> I love it when people bitch and complain about Unity, then tell you you're brainwashed when you try to tell them that you like it and can make useful things with it
[14:32] <rick_h_> well, you are brain washed
[14:33] <rick_h_> you SABDFL hippie
[14:33] <rick_h_> :P
[14:33] <snap-l> Frankly, I wish I was driving some of the design decisions
[14:34] <snap-l> I think there's good bones here, and some really awkward design
[14:48] <Wolfger> Bah. Remove your GUI completely. You can do what you need from CLI
[14:48] <Wolfger> :-)
[14:52]  * rick_h_ looks at both monitors and see's the only thing that's gui is the stupid pidgin window for work
[14:52] <rick_h_> but do have browsers on other workspaces
[15:01] <nullspace> anyone have a altnernative fro gnome-do, don't say unity
[15:01] <rick_h_> gmrun is a basic light weight thing I use
[15:01] <rick_h_> not nearly the features, but same idea to just launch binaries
[15:04] <nullspace> ok, how do you launch, conifg , run this thing
[15:05] <rick_h_> I've set it up in my WM to launch on ctrl-space
[15:05] <rick_h_> you can test it from a terminal
[15:05] <rick_h_> just run gmrum
[15:05] <rick_h_> gmrun
[15:05] <rick_h_> and it'll popup a little box that's like a terminal with some completion
[15:05] <rick_h_> just type the name of the binary
[15:05] <nullspace> ok ok, so how do I edit the key bindings
[15:05] <rick_h_> up to your WM
[15:05] <rick_h_> I do it in my awesome config
[15:06] <rick_h_> in gnome there's some keybindings in the keyboard settings if I recall
[15:07] <_stink_> in gnome, to set up a keyboard shortcut for an arbitrary binary, is a PITA
[15:07] <nullspace> I had not issue
[15:07] <_stink_> maybe it's better lately
[15:07] <_stink_> when i did that, i had to use gconf-editor
[15:07] <nullspace> keyboard options, add, command "gmrun" pres add then edi teh shortcut
[15:08] <_stink_> booyah
[15:08] <_stink_> then they fixed it
[15:08] <_stink_> probably a papercut
[15:08] <nullspace> so yeah it can't finr terminal
[15:09] <rick_h_> because it's called gnome-terminal
[15:09] <nullspace> face-palm
[15:09] <rick_h_> it's the raw command line, so none of the prettifying of the names
[15:09] <_stink_> lawl
[15:09] <rick_h_> :)
[15:09] <rick_h_> just for me it's actually urxvt, but I just have a custom shortcut that ctrl-enter will get me a new terminal
[15:09] <rick_h_> since there's never a day that goes by without a few of those
[15:10] <brousch> unity has ctrl+alt+t for new temrinal
[15:10] <rick_h_> I always hated that, gnome terminal has an equally akward combo
[15:10] <nullspace> untiy hates my gfx card, so it lost my vote
[15:10] <Wolfger> nullspace: Katapult :-)
[15:10] <rick_h_> three keys for one hand is too much to hit
[15:11] <nullspace> rick_h_: grow bigger hands
[15:11] <rick_h_> was going to work on that, but decided I have a hard enough typing on my phone kthx
[15:12] <snap-l> Y'know, I'm a little irritated that reporting bugs against Natty is no longer possible.
[15:12] <Wolfger> ????
[15:12] <snap-l> Try this: ubuntu-bugs unity
[15:12] <snap-l> and see what happens. :)
[15:13] <Wolfger> I mean, I know they won't *fix* any Natty bugs at this point, but when did they stop allowing you to file them?
[15:13] <rick_h_> remind me why filing is ok when they won't fix them?
[15:14] <Wolfger> it makes noobs feel better ;-)
[15:15] <Wolfger> gives them false hope and a naive sense of accomplishment
[15:17] <Wolfger> and a reason to upgrade, to answer the inevitable "is this bug still present in the current version?"
[15:17] <snap-l> I guess my take is that there's no support for dev releases, save for securty fixes and show-stoppers
[15:18] <snap-l> Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm missing a disc or not
[15:18] <snap-l> Not sure if I'd filed Weather Report with the rest
[15:18] <snap-l> Bah, I need moar storage
[15:19] <Wolfger> to the cloud!
[15:19] <snap-l> Clouds don't store jewel cases.
[15:20] <Wolfger> heh
[15:20] <Wolfger> clouds render jewel cases obsolete
[15:20] <snap-l> sure, keep believing that.
[15:21] <Wolfger> some day, children will ask "what's a disk drive?"
[15:22] <Wolfger> s/disk/disk\/thumb\/hard\/usb/
[15:22] <Wolfger> ^^^ I don't know why some people find regex incomprehensible.... :-D
[15:23] <snap-l> What the fuck sort of regex is that?
[15:23] <rick_h_> escape-zilla
[15:23] <snap-l> Ah, n/m
[15:23] <snap-l> I see what you did there.
[15:23] <snap-l> <- firing on only a few cylinders.
[15:25] <rick_h_> understand
[15:25] <Wolfger> Doesn't help that in some fonts (like the one I have right now) the \/ looks a lot like V
[15:39] <nullspace> is that really considered regex when all there is are some \ escapes within a search replace
[15:40] <nullspace> regex gets funky when it comes using $1 $2 $3 placments within a replace
[15:41] <nullspace> that and I get sed and perls regex syntax mixed up
[15:53] <Wolfger> Perl syntax is the one true syntax. :-p
[15:54] <jcastro> rick_h_: snap-l: any of you guys doing EC2?
[15:56] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, do some
[15:57] <jcastro> I am doing ensemble this cycle
[15:57] <jcastro> it's basically apt for ec2
[16:04] <Wolfger> who is Casey Anthony, why do I care, and why does everybody think she is guilty except for the court?
[16:05] <_stink_> some woman, you don't, because people don't understand the criminal justice system
[16:06] <rick_h_> _stink_: waldo323_ widox Blazeix snap-l don't forget CHC
[16:06] <rick_h_> jcastro: cool, I've not looked at it yet tbh
[16:06] <rick_h_> since I don't run much of the server stuff at work
[16:07] <rick_h_> not really played with larger scale deployment stuff atm
[16:07] <jcastro> rick_h_: LMK when you want to play with something new in amazon
[16:07] <jcastro> like when boss is like "omg, check out hadoop" or something
[16:07] <rick_h_> heh, yea I've been trying to get them down that path
[16:07] <rick_h_> did a sample hadoop thing for them, but used the aws streaming hadoop service
[16:09] <jcastro> it's like 5 commands to get hadoop up on AWS via ensemble
[16:09] <jcastro> (I just started playing with it today)
[16:09] <rick_h_> ah, cool
[16:12] <Wolfger> _stink_: Thanks. It's exactly as I thought, then. :-)
[16:13] <_stink_> :D
[16:14] <Wolfger> CNN is asking "was the defense awesome, or did the prosecution suck?" and I'm like.... maybe she's actually not guilty? I dunno...
[16:15] <Wolfger> "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply to the court of public opinion.
[16:25] <snap-l> Wolfger: The trial was very close to the OJ trial, afaict
[16:25] <snap-l> note: have not followed it
[16:25] <snap-l> of course it'll be like the Jon Benet Ramsey tabloid bullshit
[16:26] <Wolfger> I'm still confused how OJ was "not guilty" in the criminal trial, but guilty in the civil suit.
[16:30] <snap-l> "reasonable Doubt"
[16:30] <snap-l> You need to prove beyond it for criminal
[16:31] <snap-l> civil isn't as rigorous
[16:32] <snap-l> Also, iirc, the civil trial wasn't juried.
[17:07] <snap-l> I <3 that the only documentation I have for our new REST interface is SOAPUI data files that have been handed around like an oral tradition
[17:08]  * Wolfger senses sarcasm
[17:09] <snap-l> Here, let me turn up toe volume so it'l be blatant.
[17:18] <Wolfger> Hey, oral traditions aren't all bad...
[17:19] <Wolfger> Though storytelling around a campfire is not the best way to ensure adherence to software standards
[17:27] <rick_h_> wow, this facebook announcement is so painful
[17:27] <rick_h_> they should not let zuck talk any more
[17:28] <nullspace> what is this facebook and why should I care?
[17:28] <rick_h_> because they're anouncing skype integration and such
[17:28] <rick_h_> I really don't care since I don't have an account
[17:28] <rick_h_> but curious on the google+ vs facebook vs normal people stuff
[17:28] <nullspace> so two sucky services want to combine and make a unified suck
[17:30] <Wolfger> heh
[17:30] <Wolfger> Skype doesn't suck.
[17:30] <nullspace>  your right it blows
[17:30] <Wolfger> Facebook doesn't *completely* suck.
[17:31] <nullspace> enough to take the chrome off a trailer hitch
[17:31] <rick_h_> no, they're just one of the top 5 evil companies currently out there
[17:31] <Wolfger> sure, but as a product, it serves a purpose... with great mediocrity.
[17:32] <jrwren> i ahte facebook.
[17:32] <nullspace> mediocrity is but a prelude to suckage
[17:32] <jrwren> only reason I use facebook is its spam free email to my mom and aunt and sister.
[17:32] <Wolfger> Though I must say that Google+ is making FB look like.... I dunno.... something some college kid slapped together. :-D
[17:32] <rick_h_> man, this is just painful to listen to
[17:32] <jrwren> "mediocrity is but a prelude to suckage" --QFT!
[17:32] <rick_h_> funny that they're now trying to be an 'infrastructure' play
[17:32] <Wolfger> nullspace: ++ on that quote!
[18:04] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha, terminal scrolling by so fast. Thank you celery, rabbitmq, and node.js
[18:25] <Wolfger> I would say "let's scrap IRC and move to Huddle"... but then I recall G+ is blocked at work and I don't get cell reception at my desk :-p
[18:25] <rick_h_> and it's mobile only and I hate typing on it
[18:25] <rick_h_> they need to get the web client side of that working
[18:25] <rick_h_> spoiled by the GV chrome extension
[18:26] <_stink_> yeah - i just tried to get to yours, Wolfger, but no luck
[18:26] <Wolfger> I used Huddle on my laptop. It has voice and video.
[18:26] <_stink_> says it's supported on symbian s60 but no dice this time
[18:26] <rick_h_> how did you use it on the laptop?
[18:26] <_stink_> yeah, looked like it said mobile only
[18:26] <rick_h_> you mean hangout?
[18:26] <Wolfger> _stink_: You may have tried after I left
[18:26] <rick_h_> hangout != huddle
[18:26] <Wolfger> rick_h_: Oh.
[18:27] <Wolfger> I guess I got confused there
[18:27] <Wolfger> Hangout.... Huddle.... too close
[18:28] <Wolfger> Also, kinda lame. They should be the same.
[18:28] <brousch> hangout is nice. too bad i dislike audio and video communication
[18:28] <_stink_> too close to reallife
[18:28] <Wolfger> Heh
[18:29] <rick_h_> huddle is for the buluga and such group chat apps
[18:29] <rick_h_> they're not really related
[18:29] <rick_h_> it's like saying that skype and SMS should be the same
[18:29] <brousch> it's uncomfortable when no one has anything to say. rick_h_ and i just sat there staring at each other for a few minutes
[18:29] <Wolfger> I thought huddle was just a chat-only version of Hangout. Like you can chat in Skype without voice or video
[18:30] <rick_h_> no, it's not
[18:30] <rick_h_> http://belugapods.com/
[18:30] <rick_h_> http://groupme.com/
[18:31] <rick_h_> there's a bunch honestly
[18:31] <Wolfger> brousch: Yeah, I wanted to Hangout with somebody, but then I realized I was embarrassingly devoid of clothing. Not really an issue with the head-shot, but all the same...
[18:31] <brousch> and i'm not comfortable video chatting with you while you surf for porn
[18:32] <Wolfger> heheheh
[18:32] <snap-l> I think Facebook has finally found something to be afraid of
[18:32] <Wolfger> like you could tell
[18:32] <_stink_> *accidentally shares desktop*
[18:32] <_stink_> OH GOD
[18:32] <Wolfger> snap-l: Isn't it rather obvious they're terrified?
[18:32] <snap-l> Right, I'm saying now they are
[18:32] <Wolfger> There's desktop sharing in Hangout? Cool.
[18:32] <snap-l> Before they were the unassailable Myspace
[18:32] <rick_h_> no, but it's in the works
[18:33] <snap-l> before MySpace became "Hey, check out my shitty band"
[18:33] <_stink_> i saw snap-l's desktop the other day
[18:33] <_stink_> i think
[18:33] <_stink_> when he had twit.tv on
[18:33] <snap-l> No, I was sharing a Youtube video
[18:33] <_stink_> ahh ok
[18:33] <snap-l> that wasn't my desk
[18:33] <Wolfger> I can't believe snap-l just said "unassailable MySpace"
[18:33] <snap-l> At one time it was
[18:33] <snap-l> Now it's just a shell of itself
[18:34] <snap-l> Pretty sure the only reason Murdoch bought MySpace was to keep up on the underground metal scene
[18:35] <snap-l> Then he found out Nevermore was on the rocks, and said "Fuck it, I'm selling".
[18:36] <snap-l> "Warrel Dane can do whatever he wants, but I'm not listening to another fucking Sanctuary album"
[18:36] <snap-l> Also, he was crushed when he heard Sanctity was no more
[18:37] <gamerchick02> another what?
[18:37] <gamerchick02> metal?
[18:38] <snap-l> gamerchick02: You came into the channel in the middle of a joke
[18:38] <snap-l> PM
[18:38] <gamerchick02> ah. sorry.
[18:38] <snap-l> np
[18:39]  * gamerchick02 wanders back to a table and sits back down.
[18:39] <gamerchick02> lol. i love how my signon says that i'm from sgnwmi
[18:40] <Wolfger> Wow. That took me several seconds to parse as Saginaw, MI, and I know where you're from.
[18:41] <gamerchick02> :)
[18:41] <_stink_> THE 'NASTY
[18:41] <gamerchick02> maybe i should hide that.
[18:41] <gamerchick02> lol
[18:41] <gamerchick02> it is the nasty.
[18:41] <Wolfger> Saginasty?
[18:41] <gamerchick02> well, it's not completely nasty
[18:42] <gamerchick02> i'm from the suburbs *snooty snooty*
[18:42] <Wolfger> sounds like I should set it on fire and yell Opa!
[18:42] <gamerchick02> as long as you provide gyros, beer, and Greek pastries, i wouldn't be opposed.
[18:43] <gamerchick02> oh, and try to miss the Greek restaurant downtown. hah!
[18:43] <_stink_> gamerchick02: i may have PMed you about this before, but long ago... but i went to Heritage.
[18:43] <Wolfger> how 'bout if I just provide beer?
[18:43] <gamerchick02> whoa. you're like local!
[18:43] <gamerchick02> sort of.
[18:43] <gamerchick02> way cool. that's where i graduated from, _stink_
[18:43] <gamerchick02> wolfger, i wouldn't be opposed.
[18:43] <gamerchick02> miss the White Crow though.
[18:44] <_stink_> gamerchick02: in fact - now my facts are getting fuzzy - but i recall your name from the forum or something.  you were in band?  i was in orchestra.
[18:44] <gamerchick02> no, my brother was in marching band
[18:44] <_stink_> ah, ok
[18:44] <gamerchick02> Donn.
[18:44] <_stink_> cool
[18:44] <gamerchick02> i was in art. :-D
[18:44] <_stink_> coolio.
[18:45] <gamerchick02> oh, remember the game day they used to have in May or June?
[18:45]  * gamerchick02 reminisces.
[18:45] <_stink_> FIELD DAY
[18:45] <_stink_> of course
[18:45] <gamerchick02> HELL YES!
[18:46] <Wolfger> game day in a field? Cow tipping? ;-)
[18:46] <_stink_> i remember mostly some angsty crappy high school bands trying to play along the back between the school and the stadium
[18:46] <gamerchick02> oh shit, yes.
[18:46] <gamerchick02> they were SO BAD
[18:46] <_stink_> haha
[18:46] <_stink_> phew, wasn't just me
[18:47] <gamerchick02> and the kids who were sneaking smokes behind the bleachers
[18:47] <_stink_> hah yes
[18:47] <gamerchick02> i was a straight up nerd, but i had friends that were artsy/angsty/hipsters too
[18:48] <_stink_> yeah
[18:48] <_stink_> i floated too
[18:48] <gamerchick02> they liked to smoke behind the bleachers. i never smoked, but it was nice.
[18:48] <_stink_> when did you graduate?
[18:48] <gamerchick02> i fit with the science kids and the art kids
[18:48] <gamerchick02> 99
[18:48]  * gamerchick02 is old
[18:48] <_stink_> i was 2000
[18:48]  * gamerchick02 shakes her cane
[18:48] <Wolfger> ...
[18:48] <gamerchick02> whoa.
[18:48] <brousch> damn spring chickens
[18:49] <gamerchick02> wolfger is going to smack me
[18:49] <brousch> that's when i graduated college
[18:49] <Wolfger> You graduated in 99 and you call yourself old?
[18:49] <_stink_> yeah most of these others are older than us
[18:49] <_stink_> so CAREFUL
[18:49] <gamerchick02> i'm going to be 30 this month. yes, i'm old
[18:49] <Wolfger> damn punks
[18:50] <gamerchick02> hah
[18:50]  * Wolfger graduated HS in '88
[18:50] <brousch> damn, you are old
[18:50] <_stink_> hah
[18:50] <Wolfger> 41 as of 2 days ago
[18:51] <gamerchick02> wolfger, i was in 2nd or 3rd grade then.
[18:51] <gamerchick02> i think
[18:51]  * gamerchick02 ducks
[18:51] <Wolfger> I'm pretty sure I was programming an Atari 400 when you were born
[18:51] <jcastro> is there a shortcut to format a line/paragraph to 80 columns invim?
[18:51] <gamerchick02> i was born in 81. you are probably right
[18:52] <rick_h_> jcastro: :set textwidth=80
[18:52] <rick_h_> highlight it
[18:52] <rick_h_> and then gq
[18:53] <_stink_> writing that one down.
[18:53] <rick_h_> well textwidth is just a setting that everyone should have at 79 or 80 :P
[18:53] <_stink_> gq, i mean
[18:53] <rick_h_> so it's really just highlight, gq
[18:53] <Wolfger> what exactly is gq?
[18:54] <gamerchick02> for me GQ is Gentleman's Quarterly; the man's version of Cosmo.
[18:54] <Wolfger> *sigh*
[18:54] <Wolfger> That was *my* smartass comment that I refrained from making....
[18:54] <gamerchick02> wolfger *is* going to smack me...
[18:54] <gamerchick02> hah!
[18:55] <gamerchick02> i'm full of it today, forgive me.
[18:56]  * snap-l isn't the oldest in the channel
[18:56] <snap-l> huzzah!
[18:56] <Wolfger> I'm just wondering what to call this gq command, such that I might actually remember it.
[18:56] <Wolfger> snap-l isn't???
[18:56] <gamerchick02> hah. we have some silverbeards in here.
[18:56] <snap-l> Nope. :)
[18:57] <Wolfger> Please don't tell me I'm the oldest
[18:57] <snap-l> gamerchick02: I'm very much incapable of growing anything called a beard, thank you.
[18:57] <snap-l> Wolfger: I'm younger by ~3 months. ;)
[18:57] <brousch> Wolfger: it's ok. we still love you even though your Depends are stinky
[18:57] <gamerchick02> sorry, snap-l
[18:58] <Wolfger> My beard is mostly still dark brown, thank you...
[18:58] <gamerchick02> you can change that, you know... :-P
[18:58] <gamerchick02> i'm being a punk kid again.
[18:59] <snap-l> Don't make me come over there and beat you with my Atari 400
[19:00] <gamerchick02> come over here with your Atari 400 and we can hook it to the TV and play.
[19:00] <gamerchick02> :)
[19:00] <snap-l> Our computers had to pass FCC inspection and get lead shielding. And we LIKED it.
[19:00] <gamerchick02> lead shielding?
[19:00] <snap-l> Oh yeah
[19:01] <snap-l> Take apart a 400 / 800 some time
[19:01] <Wolfger> brousch: my only Depends are in my .deb file
[19:01] <snap-l> Those suckers are lined with heavy metal
[19:01] <devinheitmueller> I think you'll find that unless your electronics emit gamma radiation, aluminum shielding is just as effective for RF.  :-)
[19:01] <snap-l> Well, I think it was aluminum, truth be told
[19:02] <gamerchick02> hrm. now i wonder what i can get from my laptop...
[19:02] <snap-l> but it was pretty heavy duty stuff
[19:02] <Wolfger> OK, time to head home.
[19:02] <snap-l> Later they make the shielding pretty thin
[19:02] <Wolfger> gamerchick02: Stay off my lawn!
[19:02] <snap-l> Wolfger: Safe travels, sir
[19:02] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: probably high gauge folded aluminum, which was cheaper to create offsite.
[19:02] <ColonelPanic001> gamerchick02: I noticed you g+ invite last night - thanks
[19:02] <gamerchick02> i will stay off your lawn, don't worry!
[19:02] <gamerchick02> you're welcome!!
[19:03] <gamerchick02> there needs to be more people signed up to it. that's what killed buzz.
[19:03] <jrwren> i wear a tin foil hat to protect me.
[19:03] <devinheitmueller> I do all my work in a 10x10 faraday cage.
[19:03] <devinheitmueller> (since I need to protect my computers as well as my brain)
[19:03] <gamerchick02> that's what they're putting people in now? I thought it was a cubicle...
[19:03] <gamerchick02> ;)
[19:04] <devinheitmueller> gamerchick02: 10x10?  Are you nuts?  Most cubicles are much smaller than that!
[19:04] <gamerchick02> well... yeah. unless you share with a bunch of other people.
[19:04] <devinheitmueller> too true.
[19:04] <brousch> how about gq: groupify quickly
[19:05] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: http://www.digitpress.com/library/techdocs/Atari_400-800_Service_Manual.pdf
[19:05] <devinheitmueller> I'm shocked that you took the time to find that.
[19:05] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: I'm not. ;)
[19:05] <gamerchick02> the cube i was in was reasonably large, but we had me, a SolidEdge modeler, two engineers and a co-op.
[19:06] <snap-l> Actually, I should have a copy of it regardless. ;)
[19:06] <snap-l> And yes, it's aluminum.
[19:07] <snap-l> The top casting was pretty heavy-duty stuff.
[19:08] <snap-l> (and yes, I took my computers apart when I was yonger)
[19:08] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: who didn't take their computers apart when they were younger?
[19:08] <_stink_> hah
[19:09] <_stink_> those of us who didn't want to explain to mom that the computer didn't work anymore?
[19:09] <gamerchick02> doesn't everyone take their computers apart? (except Apple users, ofc)
[19:09] <devinheitmueller> _stink_: that doesn't prevent you from taking it apart; it only means you have to reassemble enough of it to not be obvious that it had been disassembled.
[19:10] <gamerchick02> but you always have an extra screw or two. i always do.
[19:10] <gamerchick02> argh, why is my mouse being slow?
[19:10] <gamerchick02> probably the stupid graphics drivers.
[19:10] <snap-l> I had to explain to my dad why the Atari 400 didn't work anymore. (though I had the 800 at the time)
[19:10] <_stink_> devinheitmueller: i was a nervous kid. :)
[19:10] <snap-l> And that it had a manufacturing defect (The POKEY chip had a problem)
[19:10] <snap-l> _stink_: still are. ;)
[19:11] <_stink_> AM NOT
[19:11] <_stink_> i mean, yeah.
[19:11] <snap-l> Oh bloody hell... AARP sent me a card in the mail
[19:11] <gamerchick02> the POKEY chip?
[19:11] <gamerchick02> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:12]  * gamerchick02 falls on the floor laughing
[19:12] <snap-l> gamerchick02: POKEY was the name for the 4 cannel sound chip
[19:12] <gamerchick02> i'm going to get booted.
[19:12] <snap-l> also handled I/O for the Atari
[19:12] <gamerchick02> cool. i didn't know that!
[19:12] <gamerchick02> :)
[19:12] <gamerchick02> i learn something new every day.
[19:13] <snap-l> Well, by the time you would have used computers, we were well into Macintosh and IBM PC compatibles.
[19:13] <snap-l> and the Atari 800 series was getting long in the tooth
[19:14] <gamerchick02> we had an IBM at home.
[19:14] <snap-l> (that didn't stop them from releasing the XL or the XE series, though. ;) )
[19:14] <gamerchick02> no hard disks, it used 5.25" floppies.
[19:14] <gamerchick02> autoexec  to run the games off the floppies
[19:14] <gamerchick02> ah, good times. we recently put that machine in recycling, god rest it's soul.
[19:19] <gamerchick02> grrr, this is getting annoying. i'm going to reboot. bbiab
[19:31] <gamerchick02> trying out the nvidia drivers again. was running the open-source ones
[19:31] <snap-l> ugh
[19:31] <gamerchick02> yeah.
[19:31] <gamerchick02> before, xorg was eating my cpu for lunch with the nvidia drivers enabled.
[19:44] <gamerchick02> well, so far so good.
[19:45] <brousch> jjesse: it's thursday
[19:50] <gamerchick02> LOL: http://reckless-recluse.tumblr.com/post/7311503937
[20:30] <gamerchick02> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1798769 anyone else in here have this issue?
[21:20] <gamerchick02> i think I fixed my issue; cleaned the fan.
[21:21] <gamerchick02> just by cleaning the fan, i've gone down to 61C on the GPU
[21:21] <gamerchick02> whoa.
[21:54] <jcastro> snap-l: man
[21:54] <jcastro> http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/05/lenovo-launches-11-6-inch-thinkpad-x121e-for-europe-the-japanes/
[21:54] <jcastro> lol
[21:54] <jcastro> snap-l: any progress on that kernel bug?
[22:30] <snap-l> Not yet, afaict.
[22:30] <snap-l> jcastro: ^
[22:31]  * snap-l tries it again
[22:35] <snap-l> Doing an upgrade now without the dongle
[22:35] <snap-l> appears to be working
[22:36] <brousch> you have no dongle?
[22:36] <snap-l> I have a dongle
[22:37] <snap-l> Just trying it to see if it'll screw up without the dongle