[13:17] <astraljava> So still no new images. What gives? Where does one ask after them?
[13:19] <charlie-tca> It is alpha2 testing, no new images during the testing days. New images should be out on Friday, but if you need a re-spin, ask in #ubuntu-release
[13:20] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Ahh... okay then. But there were new ones for Xubuntu, at least for yesterday. We did not get images for 20110705 at all.
[13:21] <charlie-tca> I don't see any for ubuntustudio for the 5th. Last spin for the testing is marked july 4
[13:22] <charlie-tca> are those not usable?
[13:22]  * charlie-tca will push a re-spin if needed
[13:23] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu got new ones yesterday because I got pushy
[13:25] <astraljava> That's what I said, we didn't get any yesterday. And yeah, it failed on me for a vbox install.
[13:26] <astraljava> And zsync just said it wasn't updated after I got it, so it looks like I'm pretty much screwed until new images are being spun.
[13:30] <charlie-tca> re-spinning now
[13:32] <charlie-tca> Getting new images done now
[13:33] <charlie-tca> astraljava: sorry, I should have looked at the date yesterday. I did look that the tracker had you in there
[13:45] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Ooh, super! Thanks! :D
[13:45] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Yeah I've been lacking in attention now, I'm like out of my comfort zone since all my regular machines are in the old apartment still. :)
[13:46] <astraljava> You know how it is, when you can't do your regular routines...
[13:48] <astraljava> workflow, was the word I was looking for, but instead had to settle for routine
[13:51] <charlie-tca> np
[13:51] <charlie-tca> This is a big learning process, we will get you there
[14:03] <charlie-tca> astraljava: images are ready now
[14:08] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Excellent! Thanks!
[17:13] <charlie-tca> astraljava: is the image working now?
[17:16] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Haven't had time to test yet, but will fire vbox up in a few minutes, I'll let you know soon enough.
[19:54] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Looks like it went past that stage now, so thank you _very_ much for re-spinning the discs!
[19:54] <astraljava> err... images.
[19:54] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:55] <charlie-tca> We have to hope :)
[20:00] <astraljava> Did you get the request through in #ubuntu-release, or where?
[20:01] <astraljava> Well, now it fails in a much later stage, but still, good to have it done.
[20:02] <astraljava> in-target: gnome-panel: Breaks: libpanel-applet2-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is to be installed
[20:03] <astraljava> in-target: liblash-compat-1: Breaks: lashd but 0.6.0~rc2-5build1 is to be installed
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Probably did it in #ubuntu-release
[20:17] <charlie-tca> I get kind of pushy when they don't respin and it isn't our fault
[20:17] <astraljava> Right, for a reason too.
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Now I have to file the installer bug, too. Ubuntu 386 alternate won't even boot on one computer here
[20:18] <charlie-tca> works on the other three
[20:18] <astraljava> Haha!
[20:19] <astraljava> Right. I'll file the ones above.
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:19] <charlie-tca> My installs are all on hardware here, so we will see what they do
[20:20] <charlie-tca> so, you want me to select all the things or just the top one now?
[20:20] <astraljava> Well, that's true. But I will of course state that these are on vbox. They can decide whether that's a problem or not.
[20:20] <astraljava> charlie-tca: I always select them all, to get more coverage.
[20:21] <charlie-tca> I don't what those things are, and I don't have any special audio/video stuff
[20:21] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Shouldn't matter, isn't the point just to see whether the applications install at this point?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Okay, Picked all of them
[20:22] <charlie-tca> As long as they don't require any special cards or anything
[20:22] <charlie-tca> mythbuntu, for example, does require a tuner card to actually install
[20:22] <astraljava> Ahh... right.
[20:22] <astraljava> I don't think that holds for studio, though.
[20:22] <charlie-tca> OkeyDokey
[20:23] <charlie-tca> hm, you broke it
[20:23] <astraljava> Every machine ought to have all the required components.
[20:23] <astraljava> Did I? *damn*
[20:23] <astraljava> What did I do now?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> looking at the logs to find out
[20:25] <charlie-tca> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:25] <charlie-tca> gnome-panel : Breaks: libpanel-applet2-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is to be installed
[20:25] <charlie-tca> liblash-compat-1 : Breaks: lashd but 0.6.0~rc2-5build1 is to be installed
[20:25] <charlie-tca> There is the cause of the failure. It won't matter what is selected
[20:25] <astraljava> I believed as much.
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Did you file the bug yet?
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Or should I?
[20:25] <astraljava> So, why is gnome-panel still being installed? It's going away anyhow?
[20:26] <astraljava> No I didn't. Wondering what to file it on.
[20:26] <charlie-tca> because it is still seeded?
[20:26] <astraljava> Right.
[20:26] <charlie-tca> I will file one, then. Against Ubiquity, of course
[20:27] <astraljava> Okay. I'll check the code. It's about time to get involved with that.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> and it is both images
[20:37] <astraljava> Well, they come from the same seeds, don't they?
[20:38] <astraljava> Yup, there it is in the desktop file of the seed. *grumble*
[20:39] <astraljava> But wait, that's all over gnome. What the hell? What am I missing here?
[20:42] <astraljava> Right, it hasn't been updated to accommodate Xubuntu at all. Or is it being used in the first place?
[20:43] <charlie-tca> astraljava: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/806672
[20:47] <astraljava> Okay. Ubiquity is a weird beast for me. How do I find out which seeds it uses for installation?
[20:48] <astraljava> Wait a minute, Ubiquity? Isn't that the desktop installer?
[20:48] <astraljava> I mean, not-the-alternate-installer?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> crap
[20:52] <charlie-tca> yes, I will change it to debian-installer
[20:52] <charlie-tca> but it uses seeds that are decided here, probably scott 
[20:54] <astraljava> Yep. I'm a little behind on those issues, so I will wait for more acknowledged opinions on where to fix the seeds.
[20:55] <charlie-tca> trying without any packages selected fails too
[20:56] <charlie-tca> I notified skaet already, too
[20:56] <charlie-tca> ScottL should know about the seeds
[20:56] <charlie-tca> maybe ailo_ too, and persia
[21:11] <persia> If using ubiquity, no seeds are used for installation: rather the contents of the live filesystem are simply copied.
[21:12] <persia> The live filesystem is constructed from tasks, and the tasks are created from seeds, but we'd see the issue with the live filesystem failing to build, rather than with a failure to install on some device.
[21:12] <persia> When using the alternate images, as we tend to do, the installation is driven by tasks.
[21:13] <astraljava> persia: Right. And tasks are defined where nowadays?
[21:13] <persia> The tasks are created from the seeds: our tasks should be created from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.oneiric
[21:14] <persia> I *think* tasks are defined in tasksel, but derived from the seeds.  Unless something drastic has changed, we shouldn't care except about the seeds.
[21:14] <persia> In this case, I suspect the desktop seed ( http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.oneiric/view/head:/desktop )
[21:15] <astraljava> Right, so I was looking at the correct place.
[21:15] <astraljava> And it seems the seed hasn't been updated to reflect the changing to Xubuntu base.
[21:15] <persia> It doesn't look very much like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.oneiric/view/head:/desktop
[21:15] <persia> Indeed.
[21:15] <astraljava> No point in Alpha-2 testing, then.
[21:16] <persia> Well, could fix it.
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Can?
[21:16] <persia> Sure.
[21:16] <charlie-tca> We have a few hours, if they can do the re-spin while armel is building
[21:17] <persia> Ah, it probably can't be fixed in that timeframe.
[21:17] <charlie-tca> I have machines to test with
[21:17] <persia> Would need a meta upload, a cron.germinate run, and then a rebuild.
[21:18] <persia> Adding to seeds is quick.  Removing from them less so.
[21:18] <persia> That said, it's worth doing the work to fix it anyway, so that it's ready for next time.
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Well, we did try to get this done
[21:18]  * persia isn't quite sure which parts of "desktop" should match xubuntu, and which other bits are needed
[21:18] <charlie-tca> not sure Xubuntu should even have the alpha2, at this point.
[21:26] <astraljava> That's the problem, I don't either. Cory has done some application-checking between what we had and what Xubuntu has, and I believe Scott participated. But I have no idea about any logs of such sessions.