[00:47] <zoidfarb> Can somebody tell me what I need to do to stop Xubuntu from trying to remember everything I had open the last time I shut down? I'd much rather it just started up with a clean desktop and no open applications (beyond standard startup)
[00:47] <charlie-tca> What is the version of Xubuntu?
[00:54] <zoidfarb> Charlie, I'm running 11.04
[00:55] <zoidfarb> About... says it's "Xfce 4.8.0 distributed by Xubuntu"
[00:55] <charlie-tca> Okay, before you shut down again, close all applications, then go to menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Sessions and Startup
[00:56] <charlie-tca> Go to the Sessions tab, and save session
[00:57] <charlie-tca> Then go to the panel, right-click it, left-click panel, left-click logoff
[00:57] <charlie-tca> uncheck save sessions
[00:57] <charlie-tca> from now on, it will open with the desktops blank, unless you save a different session
[00:57] <zoidfarb> won't that still have the Sessions and Startup Helper application running?
[00:58] <charlie-tca> no
[00:58] <zoidfarb> cool, thanks for the instructions, I'm going to give it a try
[01:04] <zoidfarb> thanks for the advice, but that didn't seem to work
[01:05] <zoidfarb> I closed everything, clicked "Save Session" in the session and startup tool.  Logged out. Logged back in. Unchecked "Automatically Save Session", logged out, and logged back in. Then, I opened Chrome, and logged out. When I logged back in, it started up Chrome again.
[01:06] <zoidfarb> I just checked and the "Automatically save session on logout" box is still unchecked
[01:06] <zoidfarb> any other ideas? Where does it store the session data? Can I just delete that file?
[01:07] <charlie-tca> delete ~/.cache
[01:08] <charlie-tca> and also ~/.gconfd/saved_state
[01:19] <zoidfarb> kk, let's give that a shot
[01:21] <zoidfarb> That got it. I think I missed the fact that there's another "Save session" checkbox on the logout screen itself
[03:02] <GridCube> i have a problem, my left clic on the desktop brings up the application menu instead of the desktop configuration menu
[03:02] <GridCube> :(
[03:08] <fdsgfg> hello
[03:08] <fdsgfg> anyone there?
[03:11] <Phosphenes> Nope.
[03:11] <Phosphenes> lol, I didn't really mean it!
[03:15] <GridCube> amihere
[03:15] <orngjce223> lol
[03:18] <Unit193> I'm sure not here
[03:18] <GridCube> D:
[03:18] <GridCube> something is broken for sure
[03:19] <Unit193> GridCube: Did you check the desktop settings section of Settings Manager?
[03:19] <GridCube> yes
[03:19] <GridCube> and it says i should also have a trashbin icon, and i dont have that either
[03:21] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/161644
[03:22] <GridCube> ooooooo
[03:22] <GridCube> i fixed it
[03:22] <GridCube> D:
[03:22] <GridCube> weird stuff
[03:23] <GridCube> if you choose not having any icon displayed on your desktop then you dont have menu's either
[03:23] <GridCube> thats stupid
[03:24] <GridCube> oh well "The more you know!"
[03:30] <Phosphenes> What's the console command to delete a folder?
[03:30] <orngjce223> rmdir [something]
[03:30] <orngjce223> But if there is stuff in it
[03:30] <orngjce223> You'll want
[03:30] <GridCube> no
[03:30] <orngjce223> rm -r [something]
[03:30] <orngjce223> ?
[03:30] <Phosphenes> It's empty
[03:31] <GridCube> DO NOT SAY THAT ORDER
[03:31] <Phosphenes> Why?
[03:31] <orngjce223> What about it?
[03:31] <GridCube> thats a big nono on ubuntu channels
[03:31] <GridCube> it can get you banned
[03:31] <Phosphenes> lol, forbidden magic
[03:31] <GridCube> indeed
[03:31] <Phosphenes> What's wrong with it?
[03:31] <GridCube> its dangerous
[03:32] <Phosphenes> How so?
[03:32] <Unit193> GridCube: No, IIRC sudo rm -rf is (Don't do that one!)
[03:32] <GridCube> a single error whit that and you can delete your whole disk
[03:32] <GridCube> why Unit193 why!
[03:32] <Phosphenes> lol
[03:32] <Phosphenes> Well a --help on it says :-r, -R, --recursive   remove directories and their contents recursively
[03:33] <Phosphenes> Nothing about -rf though...
[03:37] <Phosphenes> Does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade do the same thing as the update manager or are they for different things?
[03:38] <charlie-tca> Phosphenes: they are very different in Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu
[03:38] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade
[03:38] <ubottu> A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. Please see !upgrade for the proper way to upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu.
[03:38] <charlie-tca> They are the same in Debian, though
[03:39] <Phosphenes> Where do I find !upgrade? What do these exclamation points mean?
[03:40] <GridCube> !upgrade
[03:40] <ubottu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[03:40] <Phosphenes> Thanks
[03:40] <GridCube> !ubottu
[03:40] <ubottu> Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[03:43] <Phosphenes> I was trying to find a way to do updates through the terminal instead of the GUI because the update manager runs slow on my netbook.
[03:44] <Phosphenes> Is there no single command that could do the same?
[03:44] <GridCube> !info apt-get
[03:44] <ubottu> Package apt-get does not exist in natty
[03:44] <GridCube> D:
[03:44] <Phosphenes> What are these exclamation points for?
[03:45] <Phosphenes> Is that the command?
[03:45] <GridCube> no, that exclamation is for ubottu
[03:45] <orngjce223> It's a command to call ubottu
[03:45] <Phosphenes> oh
[03:45] <Phosphenes> lol
[03:45] <Phosphenes> It's actually a robot
[03:45] <Phosphenes> I didn't realize that before. Cool.
[03:46] <GridCube> i guess you should try >sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:46] <Unit193> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    is what I use...
[03:47] <Phosphenes> Is && just used to separate commands?
[03:47] <GridCube> dist-upgrade wont send you to do a whole upgrade to a new *buntu version?
[03:48] <Unit193> GridCube: That's do-release-upgrade
[03:49] <GridCube> oh
[03:50] <orngjce223> && is "do the second command /and/ the first"
[03:50] <orngjce223> || is "do the second command /or/ the first", which in practice means the second is basically a retry/failover type... thing.
[03:50] <Phosphenes> Cool, thanks
[03:50] <Phosphenes> I am learning much today. ;)
[03:50] <orngjce223> So a piece of code like this could work:
[03:51] <orngjce223> fuse-mount [options] || echo "Mount failed."
[03:51] <orngjce223> If I have it correct anyway :v
[03:51] <Phosphenes> What does echo do, I see that a lot.
[03:52] <orngjce223> It just prints it to whatever you're going to dump it to.
[03:52] <orngjce223> Which is usually the terminal, though if you have it set up right you may end up using it to print to logfiles
[03:52] <Unit193> Phosphenes: Try    echo $USER   in the terminal
[03:53] <orngjce223> Also I am enamored with the unix pipe for some reason so :v
[03:54] <Phosphenes> I never even knew what the pipe was before I started using linux.
[03:56] <orngjce223> Yeah, it's "what is that key on the keyboard for anyway"
[03:58] <Phosphenes> I think we should start making keyboards that replace the windows key with a picture of tux.
[04:00] <Unit193> Phosphenes: How about this? http://www.system76.com/images/bonp2_keyboard_large.jpg
[04:00] <orngjce223> Heh
[04:00] <orngjce223> I actually took a few bottles of nail polish to mine
[04:01] <Phosphenes> That works too lol.
[04:01] <orngjce223> It looks terrible, but it gets the "NOT WINDOWS" point across. ;v
[04:02] <charlie-tca> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/07/04/a-super-key-you-will-want-to-press/
[04:13] <john_rambo> How can I change the appearance of the system tray ? Everything else changes but not that
[04:14] <Phosphenes> In what way? Transparency, colour?
[04:14] <john_rambo> colour
[04:15] <Phosphenes> Oh, you don't mean the entire panel, just the tray?
[04:15] <john_rambo> Phosphenes, One sec
[04:18] <GridCube> http://intellectual-sandeep.bizhat.com/wallpapers/linpics/CTRL-TUX-ALT-keyboard-1600x1200black.jpg
[04:19] <Phosphenes> GridCube: DO WANT
[04:19] <GridCube> Phosphenes, http://zareason.com/shop/Tux-Keyboard.html
[04:20] <john_rambo> Phosphenes, Everything is going haywire here .....cant even copy a file from one location to other
[04:21] <Phosphenes> lol, probably better off asking someone else then, I haven't been using for too long.
[04:21] <john_rambo> Phosphenes, Ok
[04:21] <GridCube> john_rambo, what version of xubuntu are you on?
[04:22] <john_rambo> GridCube, I was running Lubuntu ...installed xfce4 over it
[04:22] <GridCube> oh
[04:22] <GridCube> what version ?
[04:22] <john_rambo> 11.04
[04:22] <Phosphenes> That's the same thing I did, it worked fine for me.
[04:22] <GridCube> ok so you are using xfce version 4.8
[04:23] <john_rambo> Yes
[04:24] <john_rambo> GridCube,
[04:24] <GridCube> :P im starting my vbox whit 11.04
[04:24] <john_rambo> GridCube, Roger
[04:25] <GridCube> john_rambo, you want to change its color?
[04:25] <john_rambo> GridCube, Yes
[04:25] <john_rambo> the system tray's colour
[04:25] <GridCube> oh system tray
[04:26] <john_rambo> when I change themes using the appearance too everything else changes but not the systray colour
[04:26] <john_rambo> tool*
[04:27] <GridCube> yes, i see what you mean
[04:27] <GridCube> :/ i guess you need to manually tune a config file
[04:27] <john_rambo> God
[04:29] <GridCube> yep
[04:29] <GridCube> theres other people here who know a lot more about that
[04:29] <GridCube> ochosi for example
[04:29] <GridCube> but he is away
[04:30] <john_rambo> I don't  know know how but nautilus opens instead of Thunar
[04:30] <GridCube> yes, that happens sometimes
[04:30] <GridCube> purge it
[04:30] <john_rambo> Its better that I go away too & download the Xubuntu ISO
[04:30] <GridCube> sudo apt-get purge nautilus
[04:30] <GridCube> you could try theming it
[04:30] <GridCube> whit a theme :P
[04:31] <GridCube> i recommend you to try the latest greybird and help us on testing it :D
[04:31] <john_rambo> http://xfce-look.org/ ?
[04:32] <GridCube> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird
[04:33] <GridCube> thats the latest xubuntu theme that xubuntu people is testing to make it default
[04:33] <GridCube> :)
[04:33] <john_rambo> Okay ..... Okay I guess I will try fixing the other stuff first then try that theme ......
[04:34] <john_rambo> see ya later
[05:39] <Phosphenes> How do I get a command to recognize a space between a folder's name?
[05:39] <Phosphenes> eg. cd new folder
[05:39] <Phosphenes> But it thinks new and folder are separate things.
[05:40] <Unit193> cd new\ folder/
[05:41] <Phosphenes> Did not work.
[05:41] <Unit193> Phosphenes: Is the name "New Folder" or "new folder"?
[05:42] <Phosphenes> Oh sorry, it's New Folder
[05:42] <Phosphenes> I tried new folder
[05:42] <Unit193> cd New\ Folder/
[05:42] <Phosphenes> Works, thank you.
[05:42] <Unit193> !capitalization
[05:43] <Unit193> !filenames
[05:43] <ubottu> File names in Ubuntu are case sensitive, MyFile is not the same as myfile, and if you put spaces in there and use a console you need to "escape" the space, thus "gedit My\ File.txt"
[10:15] <woozly|job> how to set two input languages?
[10:15] <woozly|job> Can't find where to do it
[10:15] <woozly|job> and how to set default input language
[10:15] <woozly|job> Please help
[10:17] <ochosi> woozly|job: what do you mean by input language? keyboard layouts for different languages?
[10:17] <woozly|job> ochosi yes!
[10:18] <ochosi> woozly|job: go to settings > keyboard > layout and add new layouts there. then you could use 1) either the panel-plugin to switch languages or 2) set a keyboard shortcut that changes the according xfconf property
[10:20] <woozly|job> oh, where to setup it? (switching by windows's default 'Shift+Alt') ? :)
[10:20] <ochosi> have you already added your second language/layout?
[10:21] <woozly|job> yes
[10:21] <ochosi> go to main-menu > settings > settings editor
[10:22] <ochosi> then look for the channel "keyboard-layout" in the left column
[10:22] <woozly|job> yeah find it
[10:22] <woozly|job> whats next? :)
[10:22] <ochosi> ok, one sec, gotta find the exact command to switch layouts first ;)
[10:23] <woozly|job> :) thanks
[10:23] <ochosi> np
[10:23] <ochosi> ok, got it.
[10:23] <ochosi> you'll have to adapt the following command according to the settings-editor page i just showed you:
[10:23] <ochosi> xfconf-query -c keyboard-layout -p /Default/XkbLayout -s "us" && xfconf-query -c keyboard-layout -p /Default/XkbVariant -s "altgr-intl"
[10:24] <ochosi> if you want to toggle two keyboard-layouts you'll have to do a small script that handles that for you
[10:24] <ochosi> then you'd only have one keyboard-shortcut to toggle between two (or more) layouts
[10:25] <ochosi> ideally use notify-send to show notifications about the layout-change
[10:26] <woozly|job> =( can't understand
[10:26] <woozly|job> altgr-intl - which keys?
[10:26] <woozly|job> Alt + what?
[10:28] <ochosi> altgr-intl is a variant of the "us"-keyboard layout
[10:28] <ochosi> alt-gr is the button and intl stands for "international" i guess
[10:29] <ochosi> so if you want german layout you'd have to replace "us" with "de" and the variant with the variant code that you can see in the settings-editor
[10:31] <ochosi> woozly|job: maybe this page is better at explaining it than i am: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/xfce-making-great-strides-with-version-46/  (search for xfce4-settings-editor or keyboard layout)
[12:40] <thauriswulfa> HELP: I am tired with sound problem, I have updated ubuntu to xubuntu by following instructions on xubuntu website. sound sometimes work and sometimes not. its not working now. I am totally fed up.I have external sound card. I have choosen right device in mixer. and also in pulse audio volume control please help
[12:41] <thauriswulfa> HELP: I am tired with sound problem, I have updated ubuntu to xubuntu by following instructions on xubuntu website. sound sometimes work and sometimes not. its not working now. I am totally fed up.I have external sound card. I have choosen right device in mixer. and also in pulse audio volume control please help
[12:42] <charlie-tca> !patience > thauriswulfa
[12:42] <ubottu> thauriswulfa, please see my private message
[13:15] <xubuntu516> ciao
[13:16] <xubuntu516> c'è qualcuno?
[13:16] <bazhang> !it
[13:16] <ubottu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)
[13:29] <Costya> ïðèâåò! ðóññêèå åñòü òóò?
[13:29] <Costya> hello all
[13:31] <Costya> please help me i have laptop lenovo e43 with integrated intel4 graphics
[13:32] <Costya> how 2 install video card driver?
[13:33] <charlie-tca> It normally installs with Xubuntu
[13:33] <charlie-tca> It is not a separate driver
[13:34] <Costya> maybe but perlmon (like cpu-z) says other
[13:34] <Costya> and oracle virtualbox have error
[13:35] <charlie-tca> virtualbox doesn't use the hardware driver
[13:36] <charlie-tca> It's possible that perlmon doesn't work in VirtualBox, if it needs the hardware driver
[15:29] <dirtycookie> hello guys, i just made a usb installer for my eeePC and im kinda "stuck" in the main menu where I can choose whether to run Xubuntu (alternate installer) from USB or start the installer. I always get bach to the main menu when I choose either one of them
[16:15] <DarkLordZim> question, after looking forever on google and forums and stuff... it looks like installing ettercap in xubuntu (or almost any other ubuntu based system) in a 64bit environment doesn't seem to work from any of the repositories. if I install xubuntu 32bit on this same computer would it solve the problem with the following error: "Dissector "dns" not supported (etter.conf line 70)"?
[16:15] <DarkLordZim> or is there a way to fix it in xubuntu 64bit?
[16:16] <charlie-tca> !info ettercap
[16:16] <ubottu> ettercap (source: ettercap): Multipurpose sniffer/interceptor/logger for switched LAN. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.7.3-2.1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 186 kB, installed size 420 kB
[16:16] <charlie-tca> no idea, actually
[16:16] <charlie-tca> perhaps #ubuntu-server would have an idea on it
[16:17] <DarkLordZim> okay, thanks
[20:35] <Phosphenes> Is there a way to put Thunderbird in the system tray?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> install mail-notification package
[20:48] <charlie-tca> There may be an option in preferences for it, too
[20:51] <Phosphenes> I checked through the preferences and it wasn't there. Trying this package now.
[21:01] <Phosphenes> charlie-tca: Whenever I try to add a new mailbox it shuts down.
[21:02] <charlie-tca> That would be a bug
[21:02] <Phosphenes> lol
[21:02] <Phosphenes> Is there a fix?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> file it using ubuntu-bug thunderbird
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I have never heard of that issue, which would mean, probably not.
[21:02] <Phosphenes> Where would I file this?
[21:03] <charlie-tca> open a terminal and type the command in. it will gather logs and everything for you
[21:03] <Phosphenes> Cool
[21:03] <Phosphenes> But wouldn't it be a mail-notification bug, not a thunderbird one?
[21:04] <charlie-tca> sure, if that is what is failing
[21:04] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug mail-notification
[21:04] <Phosphenes> Ok, thanks.
[21:06] <Unit193> Phosphenes: If you remove mail-notification, does the issue go away? (Or are you adding a folder to mail-notification?)
[21:11] <Phosphenes> Thunderbird is working fine on it's own. It's just mail-notification that crashes when I try to add a mailbox to it.
[21:11] <Phosphenes> I tried reinstalling it and it made no difference.
[21:16] <xrdodrx> hi, when I formatted a disk I got as ext3 using gparted there's a folder inside called "lost+found"
[21:16] <xrdodrx> is it save to delete it?
[21:18] <knome> xrdodrx, the "lost+found" -directories should never be removed
[21:19] <knome> that's part of the filesystem
[21:19] <xrdodrx> knome, so, how do I hide it?
[21:19] <xrdodrx> :)
[21:19] <knome> xrdodrx, there is no way to hide it either...
[21:19] <xrdodrx> I searched google and there was some stuff about it being a bug..
[21:19] <xrdodrx> so just leave it
[21:19] <xrdodrx> okay :<
[21:20] <knome> xrdodrx, i have an extra HD mounted to /data, inside that i created a directory with my username, so i don't have to look at the directory
[21:20] <knome> also, it's better if i for some reason want to add more users and they need the extraHD as well
[21:20] <knome> damn, the server is laggy
[21:23] <knome> hmm, just got better :))
[21:24] <knome> worth whining in a non-related irc channel then i suppose..
[22:23] <JeZ-l-Lee> hi, how is everyone today?
[22:29] <charlie-tca> GREAT!
[22:33] <GridCube> :D awesome
[22:39] <JeZ-l-Lee> oh, I got some responses
[22:40] <JeZ-l-Lee> working on my cross-platform open-source multi-player Tetris game now
[22:40] <GridCube> :D like netris
[22:40] <JeZ-l-Lee> doing this on Xubuntu 11.04 64Bit
[22:40] <GridCube> :D awesome
[22:41] <JeZ-l-Lee> GridCube - here is my web site
[22:41] <JeZ-l-Lee> www.16BitSoft.com
[22:43] <GridCube> oh i really like the "letters fall" kind of game, sadly developero weirdly take the time to add special characters to it like ñ or á, so you cant really play them on other languages
[22:45] <JeZ-l-Lee> LettersFall is American English - but can work with other languages with some work
[22:46] <JeZ-l-Lee> I live in New York
[22:49] <GridCube> :) i live in Argentina
[22:49] <GridCube> :P Buenos Aires
[22:53] <JeZ-l-Lee> looked at a screenshot of Netris - looks very good
[22:54] <JeZ-l-Lee> sadly my game does not support Internet/Network playing
[22:55] <plantoschka> oh got my google music invite. looks nice
[22:56] <GridCube> netris was old as time itself i remember playing it on a tty back in 99
[23:02] <JeZ-l-Lee> GridCube - you do any game programming?
[23:02] <GridCube> no, im just a user :)
[23:03] <GridCube> orngjce223, :D i found an awesome icecast2 streamer: mixxx v1.9
[23:05] <orngjce223> Cool
[23:06] <GridCube> it has live editing playlist, two play decks and lots of costumizable stuff :D
[23:10] <GSF1200S> why is it when I exit xscreensaver with xscreensaver-command -exit, the screensaver keeps shutting my screen off? I have noted with the xfce4-task manger that the process exits. I have a shell script that allows me to close xscreensaver and dictate how long I want to wait before enabling (like a nighttime sleep timer), but no matter what, the screen seems to shut off at xscreensavers interval even when its not running!
[23:11] <GSF1200S> I guess I dont understand whats killing the screen when the xscreensaver process is running; if I could figure out what, maybe I could figure out a way to stop it?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> shuts off = a blank screen?
[23:12] <GSF1200S> charlie-tca, yes, including powering my monitor off
[23:12] <charlie-tca> I suspect that is not xscreensaver, but kernel or bios settings
[23:12] <charlie-tca> xscreensaver should never shut the computer down, it just does stuff to the screen
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Try changing settings in power manager?
[23:14] <GSF1200S> charlie-tca, it doesnt shut the computer down- it shuts the screen off, even when xscreensaver is completely exited. Yeah, I jumped in power manager and tried disabling all control that xfce has there so I could handle it strictly from xscreensaver, but no joy
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Turn the power manager back on, set the things to never for shutdown, screen off, etc.
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Then tell xscreensaver to leave them alone, too. Without power manager handling it, kernel takes over and should be shutting the monitor off in about 10 minutes
[23:18] <GSF1200S> charlie-tca, ok, im going through power manager now to reenable everything. Keep this in mind- if I set xscreensaver to turn on the screensaver in 1 minute, then EXIT the xscreensaver process, sudo killall xscreensaver, etc, it STILL turns off the screen in a minute. If I set xscreensaver to disable screen saver, and then kill xscreensaver, it never turns on the screensaver. Its like their is some ghost process controlling the screen
[23:19] <charlie-tca> You don't have gnome-screensaver installed also, do you?
[23:19] <GSF1200S> this is a plain jane install of xubuntu 11.04 too- I have no other screensavers installed, no more gnome-deps than it came with, etc
[23:20] <charlie-tca> I don't think killall is killing it, then
[23:20] <GSF1200S> nope- I physically searched all the screensaver options to make sure that I didnt pull one in as a dep or something
[23:20] <charlie-tca> try task monitor to make sure
[23:20] <GSF1200S> charlie-tca, yeah- running the xfce4-task-manager, I can see the xscreensaver -no-splash process, complete with it turning red (when killed), etc.
[23:20] <charlie-tca> task manager, rather. It shows what is running, and I think xscreensaver is still going
[23:21] <charlie-tca> It should go away if it killed
[23:21] <charlie-tca> red isn't dead yet
[23:22] <GSF1200S> right, it goes away completely- I mean, I have verified that xscreensaver is GONE from the task manager, and it STILL kills my screen at the interval set IN xscreensaver preferences. Ive tried htop, top, etc.. they all report it gone
[23:23] <GSF1200S> this is baffling me..
[23:26] <charlie-tca> That' s just weird. Have you filed a bug for it?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> GSF1200S: can you try to pull an xscreensaver log and attach it to a bug report?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> xscreensaver-command -exit
[23:27] <GSF1200S> charlie-tca, not yet- I just discovered it earlier today as I had written a screensaver toggle script for a friend. I figured it would be nice to have myself, and then discovered this..
[23:27] <charlie-tca> xscreensaver -verbose -log xscreensaver-log.txt
[23:27] <charlie-tca> That will re-start xscreensaver and append diagnostics to the "xscreensaver-log.txt" file. When the problem happens again, attach the xscreensaver-log.txt file to this report.
[23:27] <charlie-tca> I see.
[23:28] <charlie-tca> I will have to forward the bug report to the developer, and he will want the log if we can get one.
[23:29] <GSF1200S> how can I tell what services are running? Like gdm and such.. I dont see gdm in task manager, though I know its running. Im wondering if im killing the xscreensaver process but somehow the service is hidden or elsewhere? I dont think thats possible but I dont want to waste anyones time out of my own stupidity
[23:30] <charlie-tca> in the task manager, preferences, check "all processes"
[23:30] <charlie-tca> and "more precision"
[23:32] <GridCube> D: im not autorized to shutdown oneiric
[23:33] <GSF1200S> cool (i like xfce4-task-manager for sure..).. yeah, still only that one xscreensaver process. Let me try reenabling all the elements in power manager, a reboot, and some other things. If I cant get it working, ill get a log together, post a bug report, and ping you with the URL. Just launchpad yeah?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> yeah, launchpad.
[23:35] <charlie-tca> That would be great
[23:39] <GSF1200S> cool.. gimme a bit. Im gonna try disabling xscreensaver completely and enabling xfce4-power-manager, vice versa, and ill even build an equivalent xscreensaver on my Arch box to see if I can replicate the problem there
[23:41] <charlie-tca> I get notified of all xscreensaver bug reports, so it is not a hurry
[23:43] <GridCube> GSF1200S, are you sure that xscreensaver is shutting down your monitor and not just xfce powersaving?
[23:47] <GSF1200S> GridCube: yes. I have turned xfce powersaving completely off AND completely ended the xscreensaver process and it still kills my monitor. Heres the thing: If I set the option in Xscreensaver preferences to Disable Screen Saver, then my monitors will NOT be killed, as its supposed to be. But, if I leave it at 1 minute (or any time) and STOP the xscreensaver process (literally kill -9 xscreensaver -no-splash or kill it from xfce4-task-manager),
[23:47] <GSF1200S> it will STILL kill my monitor even with xfce4-power-manager disabled as well
[23:49] <GSF1200S> its crazy... I have done this a couple times to make sure im not missing anything- its reproducible. Ive logged out a couple times and rebooted once so far to make sure, and it happens every time. Maybe something messed up on my system? This install comes from a checksum-verified livecd and its less than 5 days old. Aside from the thunar bug, I have no other issues with this install
[23:50] <GridCube> this is what the manpage for xscreensaver says: Before launching a subprocess, xscreensaver stores an appropriate value for $DISPLAY in the environment that the child will receive. (This is so that if you start xscreensaver with a -display argument, the programs which xscreensaver launches will draw on the same display; and so that the child will end up drawing on the appropriate screen of a multi-headed display.)
[23:51] <GridCube> so im guessin here, but i guess that xscreensaver stores a shotdown order somewhere that do not depend of xscreensaver but on x?
[23:51] <GridCube> To change your power management settings, run xscreensaver-demo(1) and change the various timeouts through the user interface. Alternately, you can edit the ~/.xscreensaver file directly.
[23:53] <GSF1200S> that sounds like it could be it.. I am multihead-seperate x sessions. I have tried everything in xscreensaver itself- incidentally Power Management options on the Advanced tab make no difference. The only thing that seems to affect the screens being killed is the primary tab.
[23:54] <GridCube> http://linux.die.net/man/1/xscreensaver
[23:54] <GridCube> read this GSF1200S
[23:54] <GridCube> it might help you, the part on gdm sounds interesting related too
[23:54] <GridCube> >In this situation, the xscreensaver process will probably be running as user gdm instead of root. You can configure the settings for this nobody-logged-in state (timeouts, DPMS, etc.) by editing the ~gdm/.xscreensaver file.
[23:55] <GSF1200S> I just had xfce4-power-manager work as it should- if I select Disable Screen Saver in xscreensaver, and enable only xfce4-power-manager, it will at least kill my screens when I tell it to do so. I can fix my problems with my script, but im still trying to figure if this is a bug or just me..
[23:55] <GSF1200S> wow
[23:55] <GSF1200S> yeah, reading now..
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