[00:11] <Daekdroom> alex_mayorga, lightdm is the new default
[00:12] <Daekdroom> Altho it's not working very well for now.
[00:12] <Daekdroom> It's not themed and I'm unable to log out and log back in.
[00:16] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: out of familiarity I went with gdm, but thanks!
[01:41] <Scribbled2x> wow hello - didn't know this channel existed
[01:42] <Scribbled2x> so I am building a liveCD using oneiric - and I bet this probably isn't going to be a surprise but I am running in a few snags - mostly OHS (operator head spacing) - but I was hoping someone would have a sources.list so that apt-get can find packages from the universe / multiverse?
[01:43] <Scribbled2x> Of course if I am completely out of line with such a question please feel free to let me know because it has been 10+ years since I done this before
[01:50]  * Scribbled2x is thinkin maybe this was a bad question?
[01:54] <Daekdroom> Scribbled2x, http://pastebin.com/xYn9sKL1 this?
[01:54] <rww> Scribbled2x: whether you should wait longer before using oneiric fits here too, actually :) and the answer is yes, alpha-quality is alpha ;P
[01:55] <Scribbled2x> rgr
[01:55] <Scribbled2x> understood
[01:56] <Scribbled2x> I havn't messed with Linux in a minute - but I cannot begin to say thanks for all of the effort people have put forth - because I did this in slackware when CDs were new and just like a Toyota - "Oh what a feeling"
[02:03] <alex_mayorga> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi'
[02:03] <alex_mayorga> ideas?
[02:05] <Scribbled2x> Daekdroom - well I copied the pastebin and thanks - but I am curious if I have done something else wrong - the reason is that the packages listed in this URL: -- http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/allpackages?...
[02:05] <Scribbled2x>  are coming back even with the new sources.list as not found.  I am concerned about messing around with it too much because I do not want it to end up like my last attempt where everything was oneiric except what I did after the initial build of the live CD when I copied the sources.list over from my natty install.  << Yes this was a mistake.  Do you have any suggestions?
[02:13] <alex_mayorga> nevermind I just removed debsums for now
[02:13] <rww> Scribbled2x: are you doing "sudo apt-get update" after changing sources.list?
[02:14] <Scribbled2x> no - my mistake this is my first experience with apt-get I will try this and it probably (in retrospect) should work
[02:15] <Scribbled2x> thank you - aside from making me feel really retarded - it worked - which in the end is what I wanted
[02:15] <rww> don't feel bad, that ends up being the problem a *lot* :)
[02:15] <rww> (hence me asking ;)
[02:16] <Scribbled2x> kewl - thanks working like a champ - I am reading the documentation on this - with work and all time is limited, but I will stop bothering all of you soon.  Thanks again
[03:06] <Scribbled2x> Hmm, is there an alternative for sendmail?
[04:47] <Scribbled2x> I am almost ready to put this together - I am reading the Live CD Customization from Scratch guide and am attempting to do everything in oneiric.  Everything has gone really well once I updated the sources.list file and began installing the correct versions of software until I hit this snafu:   http://pastebin.com/Et0s8HA1 --- does anyone have any suggestions?
[04:52] <Scribbled2x> As retarded as this may sound I actually got this to work, needed to mount some directories -- sorry to bother you and please disregard previous text
[06:06] <Scribbled2x> ok - first - thanks to anyone who helped me get the live CD up and running  2nd: Thank You to everyone who works on this because compared to slackware +10 years ago this was too easy  3rd: If I had minor boot errors during the initial firing up of the ISO, is someone here interested in these?  would it be a waste of time to post these in pastebin?  or Image bin << whatever is used for that?
[06:41] <Scribbled2x> -switch
[06:41] <Scribbled2x> ack
[08:36] <wzssyqa> how to rebuild a packages ? it failed to build before, and now I believe it can success
[08:36] <wzssyqa> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ns3
[08:38] <jtaylor> apt-get build-dep package; apt-get source --compile package
[08:39] <jtaylor> or do you mean in the archive?
[08:39] <wzssyqa> jtaylor: y
[08:40] <jtaylor> why should it work now?
[08:41] <wzssyqa> jtaylor: It may caused by the ubuntu delta of doxygen, now the delta is cancled
[08:47] <jtaylor> ask in -motu for a rebuild
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[16:46] <wd4lko> why doesnt auto login work ?
[16:48] <charlie-tca> bug 806247
[16:49] <wd4lko> can lightdm be removed ?
[16:50] <charlie-tca> I haven't tried that, but I would think so. You should be able to install gdm and switch between them, too
[16:52] <wd4lko> connection reset, did i miss the answer ?
 I haven't tried that, but I would think so. You should be able to install gdm and switch between them, too
[16:54] <wd4lko> sorry to repeat, can lightdm be removed so auto login works ?
[16:55] <yofel> wd4lko: probably? try to install gdm, should work
[16:58] <wd4lko> yofel, that wont mess anything else up will it?
[16:58] <yofel> shouldn't, although I never tried that
[16:59] <charlie-tca> wd4lko: don't remove lightdm, just install gdm. It should allow you to switch between them
[16:59] <wd4lko> i lost 3 test O.O's this week, trying to keep at least one working. haha
[17:00] <charlie-tca> might be easier if wd4lko could stay connected
[17:00] <charlie-tca> wd4lko: don't remove lightdm, just install gdm. It should allow you to switch between them
[17:02] <wd4lko> ok, i'll give it a shot, thanks, i just looked in synaptic, thought gdm was installed by default but guess not, here goes !!!
[17:52] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:26] <Pici> .topic
[18:26] <Pici> oops
[18:30] <vooze> Hey guys, trying to update on virtualbox: http://pastebin.com/Zva2vC7b - any ideas?
[18:36] <Pici> vooze: Odd. It looks like those packages were published into universe when they were previously published into main.  I'm not sure why, but that could be part of the problem of why the permissions were changed on these.
[18:36] <charlie-tca> vooze: mirror down temporary
[18:36] <Pici> oh?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> might be trying to update it while you are trying to update
[18:37] <charlie-tca> if they just moved the packages, the mirror may not have the updates yet, too
[18:37] <vooze> charlie-tca:  okay, how long does it usually take? ;)
[18:38] <charlie-tca> depends on the mirror itself.
[18:38] <IdleOne> 5 minutes to 3 days
[18:38] <Pici> !mirrorstatus
[18:38] <charlie-tca> most only update once or twice a day
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Pici probably knows more than I do
[18:38] <Pici> charlie-tca: Only in some cases ;)
[18:39] <charlie-tca> My experience is that normally clears up in a day or so
[18:40] <vooze> Cant i just switch to the "main" insted of DK?
[18:40] <charlie-tca> yes, as a temp fix, that also works
[18:42] <vooze> I
[18:42] <vooze> I'll try that, thanks ;)
[18:44] <vooze> that worked ;)
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Then within a day or two, DK will have it too
[20:29] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:22]  * cwillu_at_work pokes at BUGabundo, for no particular reason
[21:23]  * BUGabundo tickels
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> today I learned that ocz is not to be trusted.
[21:23] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: you on Plus, buddy?
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> nope
[21:23] <BUGabundo> ahh that's not good
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> I haven't figured out if I've gotten an invite yet
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> I get lots of email from it though
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> (mostly from you :p)
[21:23] <BUGabundo> I could say the same about ubuntu , but then I would be told to read /topic
[21:46] <yofel> can someone please put a warning in the topic for kubuntu? The KDE 4.7 packages will drop into the archive over the next few days - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-July/005309.html
[21:47] <yofel> since there's some package shifting involved the deps are going to be broken for a while
[21:49] <tsimpson> yofel: ^ done
[21:50] <yofel> thanks!
[22:22] <BUGabundo> friends
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I keep running OOM
[22:22] <BUGabundo> need urgent advice on how to quickly make a swap on file
[22:22] <BUGabundo> and pray it works in 11.10
[22:23] <yofel> as long as you're not on btrfs swapfiles should work
[22:24] <yofel> dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/x bs=1048576 count=1024
[22:24] <yofel> will give you a 1GB file, run mkswap on it and swapon it
[22:24] <yofel> rename /tmp/x in whatever you want
[22:27] <BUGabundo> yofel: on ext4 since my last install
[22:29] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hammering the disk now
[22:29] <BUGabundo> this is driving me crazy... can't see anything that would be the root cause
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I just see apps dying for lack of ram
[22:30] <BUGabundo> chromium seems to be using WAY too much, but still 4GBs should suffice to run this minimaly
[22:31] <BUGabundo> mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 2097144 KiB
[22:31] <BUGabundo> on a 4GBs file
[22:31] <BUGabundo> that's not expected :(
[22:32] <yofel> got that too, now running with 2 2GB files here, no idea where that comes from
[22:32] <BUGabundo> maybe a default
[22:32] <BUGabundo> maybe we need to pass a paramether to increase it ?
[22:32] <yofel> seem to have something todo with the kernel PAGE size, didn't dig around more
[22:35] <BUGabundo> well, system seems to be WAY more responsible now
[22:37] <BUGabundo> so I would say something is forcing the system to swap, but since I have now swap, it kills my system :(
[22:40] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, what is getting killed by oom?
[22:40] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, also, might make sense to look at the output of slabtop
[22:40] <cwillu_at_work> (should be installed by default)
[22:40] <cwillu_at_work> or even just top, sorted by resident
[22:41] <cwillu_at_work> (slabtop shows kernel allocations, which top won't show)
[22:41] <BUGabundo> now looking at it
[22:41] <BUGabundo> didn't even knew it
[22:41] <BUGabundo> I always just run sudo atop 2
[22:41] <BUGabundo>  32775  32757  99%    0.17K   1425       23      5700K vm_area_struct
[22:42] <BUGabundo>  Active / Total Size (% used)       : 42852.25K / 46158.41K (92.8%)
[22:42] <BUGabundo> see why my system is down?
[22:42] <cwillu_at_work> that's 5mb, probably not the problem
[22:42] <BUGabundo> $ dmesg  | pastebinit
[22:42] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/639783/
[22:42] <cwillu_at_work> yeah, chromium is doing something stupid
[22:42] <BUGabundo> [ 6157.077579] Pid: 5079, comm: chromium-browse Tainted: P            3.0-3-generic #4-Ubuntu
[22:43] <cwillu_at_work> approximately how many tabs are you keeping open?
[22:43] <penguin42> admit it - you've got the entire internet loaded in chrome haven't you?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> 2 windows, 5 tabs total
[22:44] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, that doesn't sound likely, given that you have a couple dozen chromium processes :p
[22:44] <BUGabundo> two gmail, seesmic, google plus, etc
[22:44] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: chromium *always* does that
[22:44] <rww> probably five thousand extensions
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I can start fresh and show you how many times it forks just from that
[22:44] <cwillu_at_work> that said, running without swap isn't terribly useful if you can avoid it
[22:44] <BUGabundo> rww: close
[22:44] <BUGabundo> Extensions (27)
[22:45] <cwillu_at_work> also, which rc of 3.0 is that?
[22:45] <cwillu_at_work> if it's not rc5 or 6, you should upgrade and reproduce
[22:46] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: recovery
[22:47] <BUGabundo> can't do a regular boot
[22:47] <cwillu_at_work> that's... not what I asked :p
[22:47] <BUGabundo> it used to jam after rcs
[22:47] <BUGabundo> now it's a bit better, boots, but no X
[22:47] <cwillu_at_work> 3.0-3-generic #4 is based on which rc?
[22:47] <cwillu_at_work> rc3?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 3.0-3-generic #4-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 1 08:21:12 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:47]  * cwillu_at_work sighs
[22:47] <cwillu_at_work> same question :p
[22:47] <yofel> rc5 I think
[22:48] <cwillu_at_work> yofel, I know that's the current, but I'm not convinced that's what he's running, unless you know otherwise
[22:48] <BUGabundo> linux:  Installed: 3.0.0.3.4
[22:48] <BUGabundo> I booted what ever most recent kernel this thing installed
[22:48] <yofel> 3.0-3 was rebased to rc5, if that's what he's running
[22:48]  * cwillu_at_work shakes his fist at not including that in the version number :p
[22:49] <BUGabundo> I don't know more :(
[22:49] <cwillu_at_work> now, why aren't you allocating swap space when you install? :p
[22:50] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: SSD
[22:50] <cwillu_at_work> I use swap on ssd
[22:50] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[22:50]  * yofel too
[22:50] <cwillu_at_work> it's not going to kill anything, on any remotely half-decent ssd
[22:50] <yofel> I stopped worrying about the writes after it took me a year to use up 10% of my EeePCs SSD
[22:51] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: mine is a 1st gen
[22:51] <yofel> and that's a 60GB one
[22:51] <Daekdroom> With 4Gigs RAM, I almost never use my SWAP
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ill add this swapfile to fstab
[22:51] <BUGabundo> and pray it boots
[22:51] <BUGabundo> Daekdroom: tell that to THIS sucker
[22:51] <BUGabundo> Swap:      2097140     270836    1826304
[22:52] <BUGabundo> been having OOM for a week now
[22:52] <h00k> s/natty/oneric/ and then apt-get dist-upgrade, is that the recommended way et?
[22:52] <h00k> *yet? It's been a while
[22:52] <h00k> I'd like to play with mesa 7.11 on my sandy bridge
[22:52] <BUGabundo> h00k: if you are brave
[22:52] <h00k> BUGabundo: course.
[22:52] <Daekdroom> do-release-upgrade -d or update-manager -d should do
[22:52] <BUGabundo> half of my packages are in depency hell
[22:52] <rww> h00k: "sudo do-release-upgrade -d". if that doesn't work then what you said.
[22:52] <h00k> oh, do-release-upgrade -d I forget about that one!
[22:52] <rww> the recommended way is to run far far away from oneiric, but yeah
[22:53] <h00k> of course.
[22:53] <Daekdroom> h00k, you could try the xorg-edgers PPA
[22:53] <Daekdroom> (before going oneiric, that is)
[22:53] <BUGabundo>   gnome-panel: Breaks: libpanel-applet-3-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is installed.
[22:53] <BUGabundo>                Breaks: libpanel-applet2-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is installed.
[22:53] <BUGabundo> stupid gnome 3
[22:53] <rww> stupid gnome 2.32 :3
[22:53] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, I've retreated to xfce
[22:54] <BUGabundo> I might even go to another distro
[22:54] <rww> Debian's in the middle of transitioning too. I'm on openbox for the time being :)
[22:54] <cwillu_at_work> I may have to switch to kde, but it offends me so
[22:54] <rww> (on wheezy)
[22:54] <BUGabundo> if I can't run it on 4GBs of RAM without swap
[22:54] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, ram has little to do with it
[22:54] <rww> cwillu_at_work: see /topic if you go for KDE ;)
[22:55] <BUGabundo> ahaahahaha
[22:55] <h00k> Daekdroom: I could, yeah
[22:55] <h00k> too late already started.
[22:55] <rww> not too late until it starts installing packages :P
[22:55] <cwillu_at_work> honestly, I haven't even upgraded mostly of my machines to 11.04 yet
[22:56] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Tsk slacker!
[22:56] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, I need to figure out how to maintain a decent work environment first
[22:56] <cwillu_at_work> enough things broke in legacy gnome that it's unusable for me
[22:56] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Yeh I understand - my main work machine is Lucid
[22:56] <h00k> rww: well, it is downloading them, anyway.
[22:56] <h00k> I want to be on oneric :)
[22:57] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Legacy mostly seems to work - one of my dads machines has a problem with a disappearing mouse pointer
[22:57] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, legacy "works" if you don't look very deep
[22:57] <cwillu_at_work> there's lots and lots of minor regressions
[22:59] <penguin42> nod
[23:00] <cwillu_at_work> don't get me wrong, I love unity on my laptop
[23:00] <cwillu_at_work> it's just not a practical workflow on a dual-monitor desktop
[23:01] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Yeh - the world is not just netbooks and tablets
[23:02] <BUGabundo> I can't stand it
[23:02] <BUGabundo> nor gnome 3
[23:02] <cwillu_at_work> granted that the netbook edition probably wouldn't have gotten sufficient attention otherwise, but I'm still disappointed about how it turned out
[23:02] <BUGabundo> back to classic
[23:02] <cwillu_at_work> yeah, gnome3 is a trainwreck
[23:02] <BUGabundo> I miss my bottom bar
[23:02] <BUGabundo> and the stupid notification bar
[23:02] <BUGabundo> over everything
[23:03] <BUGabundo> specially pidgin input box and the notificaion icons
[23:03] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[23:16] <ior3k> BUGabundo: have you tried unity 2d? I hate the gnome 3 panel, but I found that the unity 2d panel gives me pretty much what I was looking for
[23:16] <BUGabundo> that... that side panel....
[23:16] <ior3k> err, except there's no bottom bar
[23:16] <BUGabundo> it just doesn't work with me
[23:16] <ior3k> I just set it to autohide
[23:16] <ior3k> doesn't bother me much
[23:16] <BUGabundo> I need permantent access to open apps and desktops
[23:17] <BUGabundo> and in gnome 3, it groups apps
[23:17] <BUGabundo> who was the genious that tough it would be a good idea to only see ONE browser windows, while doing alt tab? and it requires MOUSE to change that
[23:17] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[23:18] <ior3k> BUGabundo: I know this doesn't solve your problem, but have you tried kupfer? It allows you to select windows by name, as well as desktops, etc
[23:19] <ior3k> just saying this because I guess gnome 2 isn't coming back :)
[23:19] <ior3k> that panel was nearly flawless for me
[23:19] <ior3k> *sigh*
[23:20] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, oh, it had its share of flaws :p
[23:20]  * cwillu_at_work carries a couple patches that upstream never took
[23:20] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: not for me, it really did everything I needed
[23:20] <cwillu_at_work> I just wish people weren't so keen on maintaining the same project names when redoing everything
[23:21] <cwillu_at_work> it makes it much harder than necessary to keep the old stuff around and working
[23:21] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: agreed
[23:22] <cwillu_at_work> python has done a good job of this sort of thing
[23:22] <cwillu_at_work> re: maintaining the marketing benefits of the name, without gratuitously breaking things
[23:22] <ior3k> I guess they could just have called it gnome3-panel :)
[23:22] <cwillu_at_work> it's a shame arch screwed that up
[23:23]  * cwillu_at_work envisions a distro with gnome3, python3, linux3 :p
[23:24] <yofel> too many 3's, good that KDE3 is gone :P
[23:24] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Don't forget Linux 3
[23:24] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, um
[23:24] <yofel> penguin42: ?
[23:24] <penguin42> oh yeh - you didn't!
[23:24] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, I mean, wow.
[23:24]  * cwillu_at_work huggles penguin42
[23:24] <yofel> everyone is in  a version bump frenzy
[23:24]  * micahg wonders if we'll get an eglibc 3
[23:25] <cwillu_at_work> oooo!  grub3!
[23:25] <penguin42> 4 is what you've really got to be careful of; v 4 of things never work
[23:25] <yofel> nah, only v4.0 things never work
[23:25] <cwillu_at_work> kde4, wordperfect 4, star wars 4
[23:27] <Daekdroom> Speaking of which, I hate the new linux and the new firefox development cycles.
[23:28] <Daekdroom> Too much version bumping D:
[23:28] <cwillu_at_work> Daekdroom, linux doesn't have a new development cycle
[23:28] <yofel> well, linux doesn't really have a new devel cycle
[23:28] <cwillu_at_work> hasn't in years.
[23:28] <Daekdroom> Let me rephrase.
[23:28] <yofel> linus is just unable to count
[23:28] <Daekdroom> The new version scheming :P
[23:31] <h00k> bug 807203
[23:31] <Daekdroom> It puzzles me that they didn't change the default GNOME icon theme.
[23:31] <Daekdroom> It looks so old.
[23:32] <yofel> use the new oxygen folder icons, they look gnome-ish :P
[23:37] <h00k> I now have 8 report-bug tabs open
[23:43] <h00k>  I don't see "Appearance", is this on purpose?
[23:43] <h00k> Like, to change my theme, for instance?
[23:50] <Daekdroom> h00k, gnome-appearance-properties isn't included in GNOME 3 anymore, and therefore, on Ubuntu
[23:50] <Daekdroom> It's replaced by gnome-tweak-tool, which depends on Gnome-shell.. so..
[23:50] <h00k> Daekdroom: gotcha.
[23:51] <h00k> Yeah, my Sandy Bridge looks oogly
[23:51] <h00k> maybe I should reset all my gnome settings
[23:52] <h00k> my unity lenses :(
[23:54] <h00k> oh hey, I thnk dbus is broken here
[23:57] <h00k> okay, purged ubuntuone-client entirely.
[23:57] <h00k> fixed a lot of things