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Daekdroomalex_mayorga, lightdm is the new default00:11
DaekdroomAltho it's not working very well for now.00:12
DaekdroomIt's not themed and I'm unable to log out and log back in.00:12
alex_mayorgaDaekdroom: out of familiarity I went with gdm, but thanks!00:16
Scribbled2xwow hello - didn't know this channel existed01:41
Scribbled2xso I am building a liveCD using oneiric - and I bet this probably isn't going to be a surprise but I am running in a few snags - mostly OHS (operator head spacing) - but I was hoping someone would have a sources.list so that apt-get can find packages from the universe / multiverse?01:42
Scribbled2xOf course if I am completely out of line with such a question please feel free to let me know because it has been 10+ years since I done this before01:43
* Scribbled2x is thinkin maybe this was a bad question?01:50
DaekdroomScribbled2x, http://pastebin.com/xYn9sKL1 this?01:54
rwwScribbled2x: whether you should wait longer before using oneiric fits here too, actually :) and the answer is yes, alpha-quality is alpha ;P01:54
Scribbled2xrgr01:55
Scribbled2xunderstood01:55
Scribbled2xI havn't messed with Linux in a minute - but I cannot begin to say thanks for all of the effort people have put forth - because I did this in slackware when CDs were new and just like a Toyota - "Oh what a feeling"01:56
alex_mayorgaE: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi'02:03
alex_mayorgaideas?02:03
Scribbled2xDaekdroom - well I copied the pastebin and thanks - but I am curious if I have done something else wrong - the reason is that the packages listed in this URL: -- http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/allpackages?...02:05
Scribbled2x are coming back even with the new sources.list as not found.  I am concerned about messing around with it too much because I do not want it to end up like my last attempt where everything was oneiric except what I did after the initial build of the live CD when I copied the sources.list over from my natty install.  << Yes this was a mistake.  Do you have any suggestions?02:05
alex_mayorganevermind I just removed debsums for now02:13
rwwScribbled2x: are you doing "sudo apt-get update" after changing sources.list?02:13
Scribbled2xno - my mistake this is my first experience with apt-get I will try this and it probably (in retrospect) should work02:14
Scribbled2xthank you - aside from making me feel really retarded - it worked - which in the end is what I wanted02:15
rwwdon't feel bad, that ends up being the problem a *lot* :)02:15
rww(hence me asking ;)02:15
Scribbled2xkewl - thanks working like a champ - I am reading the documentation on this - with work and all time is limited, but I will stop bothering all of you soon.  Thanks again02:16
Scribbled2xHmm, is there an alternative for sendmail?03:06
Scribbled2xI am almost ready to put this together - I am reading the Live CD Customization from Scratch guide and am attempting to do everything in oneiric.  Everything has gone really well once I updated the sources.list file and began installing the correct versions of software until I hit this snafu:   http://pastebin.com/Et0s8HA1 --- does anyone have any suggestions?04:47
Scribbled2xAs retarded as this may sound I actually got this to work, needed to mount some directories -- sorry to bother you and please disregard previous text04:52
Scribbled2xok - first - thanks to anyone who helped me get the live CD up and running  2nd: Thank You to everyone who works on this because compared to slackware +10 years ago this was too easy  3rd: If I had minor boot errors during the initial firing up of the ISO, is someone here interested in these?  would it be a waste of time to post these in pastebin?  or Image bin << whatever is used for that?06:06
Scribbled2x-switch06:41
Scribbled2xack06:41
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wzssyqahow to rebuild a packages ? it failed to build before, and now I believe it can success08:36
wzssyqahttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ns308:36
jtaylorapt-get build-dep package; apt-get source --compile package08:38
jtayloror do you mean in the archive?08:39
wzssyqajtaylor: y08:39
jtaylorwhy should it work now?08:40
wzssyqajtaylor: It may caused by the ubuntu delta of doxygen, now the delta is cancled08:41
jtaylorask in -motu for a rebuild08:47
BluesKajHey all13:36
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=== IdleOne changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: #ubuntu+1: discussion and support for Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot | Release schedule: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Alpha 2 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-2/
wd4lkowhy doesnt auto login work ?16:46
charlie-tcabug 80624716:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 806247 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) "oem-config/ubiquity fails to configure lightdm for auto-login" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80624716:48
wd4lkocan lightdm be removed ?16:49
charlie-tcaI haven't tried that, but I would think so. You should be able to install gdm and switch between them, too16:50
wd4lkoconnection reset, did i miss the answer ?16:52
yofel<charlie-tca> I haven't tried that, but I would think so. You should be able to install gdm and switch between them, too16:52
wd4lkosorry to repeat, can lightdm be removed so auto login works ?16:54
yofelwd4lko: probably? try to install gdm, should work16:55
wd4lkoyofel, that wont mess anything else up will it?16:58
yofelshouldn't, although I never tried that16:58
charlie-tcawd4lko: don't remove lightdm, just install gdm. It should allow you to switch between them16:59
wd4lkoi lost 3 test O.O's this week, trying to keep at least one working. haha16:59
charlie-tcamight be easier if wd4lko could stay connected17:00
charlie-tcawd4lko: don't remove lightdm, just install gdm. It should allow you to switch between them17:00
wd4lkook, i'll give it a shot, thanks, i just looked in synaptic, thought gdm was installed by default but guess not, here goes !!!17:02
sebsebsebHi17:52
Pici.topic18:26
Picioops18:26
voozeHey guys, trying to update on virtualbox: http://pastebin.com/Zva2vC7b - any ideas?18:30
Picivooze: Odd. It looks like those packages were published into universe when they were previously published into main.  I'm not sure why, but that could be part of the problem of why the permissions were changed on these.18:36
charlie-tcavooze: mirror down temporary18:36
Picioh?18:36
charlie-tcamight be trying to update it while you are trying to update18:36
charlie-tcaif they just moved the packages, the mirror may not have the updates yet, too18:37
voozecharlie-tca:  okay, how long does it usually take? ;)18:37
charlie-tcadepends on the mirror itself.18:38
IdleOne5 minutes to 3 days18:38
Pici!mirrorstatus18:38
ubottuA list of official repository mirrors and their statuses can be found at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors18:38
charlie-tcamost only update once or twice a day18:38
charlie-tcaPici probably knows more than I do18:38
Picicharlie-tca: Only in some cases ;)18:38
charlie-tcaMy experience is that normally clears up in a day or so18:39
voozeCant i just switch to the "main" insted of DK?18:40
charlie-tcayes, as a temp fix, that also works18:40
voozeI18:42
voozeI'll try that, thanks ;)18:42
voozethat worked ;)18:44
charlie-tcaThen within a day or two, DK will have it too18:45
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BUGabundoevening20:29
* cwillu_at_work pokes at BUGabundo, for no particular reason21:22
* BUGabundo tickels21:23
cwillu_at_worktoday I learned that ocz is not to be trusted.21:23
BUGabundocwillu_at_work: you on Plus, buddy?21:23
cwillu_at_worknope21:23
BUGabundoahh that's not good21:23
cwillu_at_workI haven't figured out if I've gotten an invite yet21:23
cwillu_at_workI get lots of email from it though21:23
cwillu_at_work(mostly from you :p)21:23
BUGabundoI could say the same about ubuntu , but then I would be told to read /topic21:23
yofelcan someone please put a warning in the topic for kubuntu? The KDE 4.7 packages will drop into the archive over the next few days - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-July/005309.html21:46
yofelsince there's some package shifting involved the deps are going to be broken for a while21:47
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tsimpsonyofel: ^ done21:49
yofelthanks!21:50
BUGabundofriends22:22
BUGabundoI keep running OOM22:22
BUGabundoneed urgent advice on how to quickly make a swap on file22:22
BUGabundoand pray it works in 11.1022:22
yofelas long as you're not on btrfs swapfiles should work22:23
yofeldd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/x bs=1048576 count=102422:24
yofelwill give you a 1GB file, run mkswap on it and swapon it22:24
yofelrename /tmp/x in whatever you want22:24
BUGabundoyofel: on ext4 since my last install22:27
BUGabundothanks22:29
BUGabundohammering the disk now22:29
BUGabundothis is driving me crazy... can't see anything that would be the root cause22:29
BUGabundoI just see apps dying for lack of ram22:29
BUGabundochromium seems to be using WAY too much, but still 4GBs should suffice to run this minimaly22:30
BUGabundomkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 2097144 KiB22:31
BUGabundoon a 4GBs file22:31
BUGabundothat's not expected :(22:31
yofelgot that too, now running with 2 2GB files here, no idea where that comes from22:32
BUGabundomaybe a default22:32
BUGabundomaybe we need to pass a paramether to increase it ?22:32
yofelseem to have something todo with the kernel PAGE size, didn't dig around more22:32
BUGabundowell, system seems to be WAY more responsible now22:35
BUGabundoso I would say something is forcing the system to swap, but since I have now swap, it kills my system :(22:37
cwillu_at_workBUGabundo, what is getting killed by oom?22:40
cwillu_at_workBUGabundo, also, might make sense to look at the output of slabtop22:40
cwillu_at_work(should be installed by default)22:40
cwillu_at_workor even just top, sorted by resident22:40
cwillu_at_work(slabtop shows kernel allocations, which top won't show)22:41
BUGabundonow looking at it22:41
BUGabundodidn't even knew it22:41
BUGabundoI always just run sudo atop 222:41
BUGabundo 32775  32757  99%    0.17K   1425       23      5700K vm_area_struct22:41
BUGabundo Active / Total Size (% used)       : 42852.25K / 46158.41K (92.8%)22:42
BUGabundosee why my system is down?22:42
cwillu_at_workthat's 5mb, probably not the problem22:42
BUGabundo$ dmesg  | pastebinit22:42
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/639783/22:42
cwillu_at_workyeah, chromium is doing something stupid22:42
BUGabundo[ 6157.077579] Pid: 5079, comm: chromium-browse Tainted: P            3.0-3-generic #4-Ubuntu22:42
cwillu_at_workapproximately how many tabs are you keeping open?22:43
penguin42admit it - you've got the entire internet loaded in chrome haven't you?22:43
BUGabundo2 windows, 5 tabs total22:43
cwillu_at_workBUGabundo, that doesn't sound likely, given that you have a couple dozen chromium processes :p22:44
BUGabundotwo gmail, seesmic, google plus, etc22:44
BUGabundocwillu_at_work: chromium *always* does that22:44
rwwprobably five thousand extensions22:44
BUGabundoI can start fresh and show you how many times it forks just from that22:44
cwillu_at_workthat said, running without swap isn't terribly useful if you can avoid it22:44
BUGabundorww: close22:44
BUGabundoExtensions (27)22:44
cwillu_at_workalso, which rc of 3.0 is that?22:45
cwillu_at_workif it's not rc5 or 6, you should upgrade and reproduce22:45
BUGabundocwillu_at_work: recovery22:46
BUGabundocan't do a regular boot22:47
cwillu_at_workthat's... not what I asked :p22:47
BUGabundoit used to jam after rcs22:47
BUGabundonow it's a bit better, boots, but no X22:47
cwillu_at_work3.0-3-generic #4 is based on which rc?22:47
cwillu_at_workrc3?22:47
BUGabundoLinux BluBUG 3.0-3-generic #4-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 1 08:21:12 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux22:47
* cwillu_at_work sighs22:47
cwillu_at_worksame question :p22:47
yofelrc5 I think22:47
cwillu_at_workyofel, I know that's the current, but I'm not convinced that's what he's running, unless you know otherwise22:48
BUGabundolinux:  Installed: 3.0.0.3.422:48
BUGabundoI booted what ever most recent kernel this thing installed22:48
yofel3.0-3 was rebased to rc5, if that's what he's running22:48
* cwillu_at_work shakes his fist at not including that in the version number :p22:48
BUGabundoI don't know more :(22:49
cwillu_at_worknow, why aren't you allocating swap space when you install? :p22:49
BUGabundocwillu_at_work: SSD22:50
cwillu_at_workI use swap on ssd22:50
cwillu_at_work<322:50
* yofel too22:50
cwillu_at_workit's not going to kill anything, on any remotely half-decent ssd22:50
yofelI stopped worrying about the writes after it took me a year to use up 10% of my EeePCs SSD22:50
BUGabundocwillu_at_work: mine is a 1st gen22:51
yofeland that's a 60GB one22:51
DaekdroomWith 4Gigs RAM, I almost never use my SWAP22:51
BUGabundoill add this swapfile to fstab22:51
BUGabundoand pray it boots22:51
BUGabundoDaekdroom: tell that to THIS sucker22:51
BUGabundoSwap:      2097140     270836    182630422:51
BUGabundobeen having OOM for a week now22:52
h00ks/natty/oneric/ and then apt-get dist-upgrade, is that the recommended way et?22:52
h00k*yet? It's been a while22:52
h00kI'd like to play with mesa 7.11 on my sandy bridge22:52
BUGabundoh00k: if you are brave22:52
h00kBUGabundo: course.22:52
Daekdroomdo-release-upgrade -d or update-manager -d should do22:52
BUGabundohalf of my packages are in depency hell22:52
rwwh00k: "sudo do-release-upgrade -d". if that doesn't work then what you said.22:52
h00koh, do-release-upgrade -d I forget about that one!22:52
rwwthe recommended way is to run far far away from oneiric, but yeah22:52
h00kof course.22:53
Daekdroomh00k, you could try the xorg-edgers PPA22:53
Daekdroom(before going oneiric, that is)22:53
BUGabundo  gnome-panel: Breaks: libpanel-applet-3-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is installed.22:53
BUGabundo               Breaks: libpanel-applet2-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is installed.22:53
BUGabundostupid gnome 322:53
rwwstupid gnome 2.32 :322:53
cwillu_at_workBUGabundo, I've retreated to xfce22:53
BUGabundoI might even go to another distro22:54
rwwDebian's in the middle of transitioning too. I'm on openbox for the time being :)22:54
cwillu_at_workI may have to switch to kde, but it offends me so22:54
rww(on wheezy)22:54
BUGabundoif I can't run it on 4GBs of RAM without swap22:54
cwillu_at_workBUGabundo, ram has little to do with it22:54
rwwcwillu_at_work: see /topic if you go for KDE ;)22:54
BUGabundoahaahahaha22:55
h00kDaekdroom: I could, yeah22:55
h00ktoo late already started.22:55
rwwnot too late until it starts installing packages :P22:55
cwillu_at_workhonestly, I haven't even upgraded mostly of my machines to 11.04 yet22:55
penguin42cwillu_at_work: Tsk slacker!22:56
cwillu_at_workpenguin42, I need to figure out how to maintain a decent work environment first22:56
cwillu_at_workenough things broke in legacy gnome that it's unusable for me22:56
penguin42cwillu_at_work: Yeh I understand - my main work machine is Lucid22:56
h00krww: well, it is downloading them, anyway.22:56
h00kI want to be on oneric :)22:56
penguin42cwillu_at_work: Legacy mostly seems to work - one of my dads machines has a problem with a disappearing mouse pointer22:57
cwillu_at_workpenguin42, legacy "works" if you don't look very deep22:57
cwillu_at_workthere's lots and lots of minor regressions22:57
penguin42nod22:59
cwillu_at_workdon't get me wrong, I love unity on my laptop23:00
cwillu_at_workit's just not a practical workflow on a dual-monitor desktop23:00
penguin42cwillu_at_work: Yeh - the world is not just netbooks and tablets23:01
BUGabundoI can't stand it23:02
BUGabundonor gnome 323:02
cwillu_at_workgranted that the netbook edition probably wouldn't have gotten sufficient attention otherwise, but I'm still disappointed about how it turned out23:02
BUGabundoback to classic23:02
cwillu_at_workyeah, gnome3 is a trainwreck23:02
BUGabundoI miss my bottom bar23:02
BUGabundoand the stupid notification bar23:02
BUGabundoover everything23:02
BUGabundospecially pidgin input box and the notificaion icons23:03
BUGabundoFAIL23:03
ior3kBUGabundo: have you tried unity 2d? I hate the gnome 3 panel, but I found that the unity 2d panel gives me pretty much what I was looking for23:16
BUGabundothat... that side panel....23:16
ior3kerr, except there's no bottom bar23:16
BUGabundoit just doesn't work with me23:16
ior3kI just set it to autohide23:16
ior3kdoesn't bother me much23:16
BUGabundoI need permantent access to open apps and desktops23:16
BUGabundoand in gnome 3, it groups apps23:17
BUGabundowho was the genious that tough it would be a good idea to only see ONE browser windows, while doing alt tab? and it requires MOUSE to change that23:17
BUGabundoFAIL23:17
ior3kBUGabundo: I know this doesn't solve your problem, but have you tried kupfer? It allows you to select windows by name, as well as desktops, etc23:18
ior3kjust saying this because I guess gnome 2 isn't coming back :)23:19
ior3kthat panel was nearly flawless for me23:19
ior3k*sigh*23:19
cwillu_at_workior3k, oh, it had its share of flaws :p23:20
* cwillu_at_work carries a couple patches that upstream never took23:20
ior3kcwillu_at_work: not for me, it really did everything I needed23:20
cwillu_at_workI just wish people weren't so keen on maintaining the same project names when redoing everything23:20
cwillu_at_workit makes it much harder than necessary to keep the old stuff around and working23:21
ior3kcwillu_at_work: agreed23:21
cwillu_at_workpython has done a good job of this sort of thing23:22
cwillu_at_workre: maintaining the marketing benefits of the name, without gratuitously breaking things23:22
ior3kI guess they could just have called it gnome3-panel :)23:22
cwillu_at_workit's a shame arch screwed that up23:22
* cwillu_at_work envisions a distro with gnome3, python3, linux3 :p23:23
yofeltoo many 3's, good that KDE3 is gone :P23:24
penguin42cwillu_at_work: Don't forget Linux 323:24
cwillu_at_workpenguin42, um23:24
yofelpenguin42: ?23:24
penguin42oh yeh - you didn't!23:24
cwillu_at_workpenguin42, I mean, wow.23:24
* cwillu_at_work huggles penguin4223:24
yofeleveryone is in  a version bump frenzy23:24
* micahg wonders if we'll get an eglibc 323:24
cwillu_at_workoooo!  grub3!23:25
penguin424 is what you've really got to be careful of; v 4 of things never work23:25
yofelnah, only v4.0 things never work23:25
cwillu_at_workkde4, wordperfect 4, star wars 423:25
DaekdroomSpeaking of which, I hate the new linux and the new firefox development cycles.23:27
DaekdroomToo much version bumping D:23:28
cwillu_at_workDaekdroom, linux doesn't have a new development cycle23:28
yofelwell, linux doesn't really have a new devel cycle23:28
cwillu_at_workhasn't in years.23:28
DaekdroomLet me rephrase.23:28
yofellinus is just unable to count23:28
DaekdroomThe new version scheming :P23:28
h00kbug 80720323:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 807203 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu) "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): 'Symbol' object has no attribute 'PAGINATED_TEXT_DOCUMENT'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80720323:31
DaekdroomIt puzzles me that they didn't change the default GNOME icon theme.23:31
DaekdroomIt looks so old.23:31
yofeluse the new oxygen folder icons, they look gnome-ish :P23:32
h00kI now have 8 report-bug tabs open23:37
h00k I don't see "Appearance", is this on purpose?23:43
h00kLike, to change my theme, for instance?23:43
Daekdroomh00k, gnome-appearance-properties isn't included in GNOME 3 anymore, and therefore, on Ubuntu23:50
DaekdroomIt's replaced by gnome-tweak-tool, which depends on Gnome-shell.. so..23:50
h00kDaekdroom: gotcha.23:50
h00kYeah, my Sandy Bridge looks oogly23:51
h00kmaybe I should reset all my gnome settings23:51
h00kmy unity lenses :(23:52
h00koh hey, I thnk dbus is broken here23:54
h00kokay, purged ubuntuone-client entirely.23:57
h00kfixed a lot of things23:57

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