[01:43] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/28233/ << vote if you like the idea [02:00] soultekkie: have you thought this through? [02:00] soultekkie: ubiquity simply copies the content of the livecd [02:01] which would mean you would need to have both unity and gnome3 on the livecd [02:01] Well, that's a simple matter of programming. More to the point, offering options like that in the installer is not philosophically aligned with what we want to do. [02:01] which I doubt is an option, given that the available space is constantly an issue [02:02] RAOF: it's not. not for ubiquity [02:02] RAOF: it is an option for the alternate install cd, ok [02:03] Chipzz: If we *wanted* to do it we could without too much trouble. We already (optionally) install packages from the internet during install. I just don't think we want to do it. [02:04] And given that classic GNOME 3 is rather different to GNOME 2... [02:04] RAOF: that sounds more like a gross hack to ubiquity than "a simple matter of programming" though ;) [02:06] given ubiquities deep roots in d-i, not really. [02:06] it would probably still qualify as "gross" though (IMO) ;) [02:07] As I say, we *already* do it. It would presumably be simple to extend. [02:07] I can see where it makes sense for things like nvidia drivers etc [02:07] or certain network drivers [02:07] because you need those to have a proper functioning system [02:09] network is one of the least sensible :) [02:09] heh. right :) [02:09] that just dawned upon me [02:10] unless you have both wired and wireless and it's the wireless network driver you need [02:10] or vice versa [02:10] "Let's connect to the Internet so we can download a driver, so you can connect to the Internet." Oh. [02:11] StevenK: "04:10 < Chipzz> unless you have both wired and wireless..." [02:11] Don't assume the wired works either :-) [02:23] Could an archive admin please reject pyabiword from natty-proposed? [02:24] The classic phrase comes to mind... "I would if I could, but I can't." [02:24] There's a StevenK here, right? :) [02:24] Oh right. [02:26] RAOF: pyabiword/0.8.0-6build2 Component: universe Section: python ? [02:27] StevenK: Yes please. [02:27] RAOF: Rejected. [02:28] Ta muchly. [02:35] I think ubuntu will lose many users by going "unity" only.and btw Gnome# is so great it can be used as is or with the classic look&feel [02:35] *gnome3 [02:52] soultekki, im not so sure. its a WIP but its got potential [02:56] @pilot out === udevbot_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Alpha-2 soft freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: [02:59] * micahg sees there's not much left in the sponsoring queue, will try to drive it down further in a little bit [04:15] Good morning [04:30] micahg: seems scarneiro now fixed all the opendrim packages, these seem easy [04:54] pitti: they're all ready to go in? [04:54] micahg: it's the same FTBFS fix for all of them, and it was fixed properly now [04:55] just pointing out if you want to do some 10 queue items with relatively little effort [04:55] pitti: sure, was about to go hunting for patches :) [04:57] @pilot in === udevbot_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Alpha-2 soft freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: micahg [04:57] pitti: do they have to go in any order? [04:57] micahg: I don't know these packages at all; but I suppose not [05:01] pitti: oh, ok, no worries, I'll figure it out [05:20] micahg: i...don't ever think i've seen documentation telling me to update timestamps [05:21] launchpad will still keep its own timestamps, right? so this is purely a changelog optimization? [05:25] broder: I did say try, not must :), but point taken, it does seem like changelog optimization to some extent, but the changelog is what ends up on the end-user's system, not the LP timestamp [05:26] when I started using bzr, I was trained to update timestamps, but maybe that was just for the release commit... [05:26] i think i have a vague understanding of what you're trying to do, but whenever i've looked at timestamps in changelogs, i've only cared about them on the scale of months, so it seems weird to me to add this extra step i have to remember [05:26] maybe someone will make debcommit do it for you :) [05:28] broder: feel free to reply and say how pointless it is :), I don't mind being wrong [05:33] broder: Actually, I should've been more specific I was referring to when the day was off, not just the hour or minnute === pitti changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: micahg [05:57] (might as well lift the freeze now, a2 images aren't going to get any better) [06:02] broder, which timestamps would you be updating? in debian/changelog? [06:02] poolie: see my mail to ubuntu-devel [06:19] i see [06:22] good morning [07:06] anyone know if the default for 'When the power button is pressed' was changed to 'Suspend' deliberately in Oneiric? [07:07] it's supposed to bring up a dialog with the shutdown/reboot/suspend/etc. options (works here) [07:07] @pilot out === udevbot_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: [07:25] good morning [07:26] good morning [07:28] hey ronin___ [07:29] hi dholbach [07:29] dholbech: Thank you for your reply [07:30] dholbech: I sand another mail to you [07:30] ronin___, great, I'll have a look in a bit [07:30] dholbech: thank you === smb` is now known as smb [07:42] pitti - sure you haven't changed it manually? on all the default install i do it suspends [07:42] brendand: I have upgraded since natty, could very well be due to that [07:43] pitti - but the default should still be 'ask'? i'll file a bug if so [07:43] I think so; suspending doesn't make much sense, that's what the lid is for [07:43] if anything, it should default to powering off and asking [07:43] (for confirmation) [07:44] but the "power off/reboot/suspend" dialog makes sense IMHO [07:51] as far as i can tell gnome-power-manager is setting the default so i'll raise a bug there [07:53] brendand: should be gnome-settings-daemon [07:54] pitti - true that [07:54] pitti - thanks [07:57] pitti - bet it got borked by the gconf -> gsettings move [08:05] pitti - bug reported 806855. thanks [08:06] thanks [08:28] Good morning. [08:36] how to rebuild it : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ns3 [08:42] ScottK: hey, small question, is there any reason (other not nothing for now depends on it), that libboost-system1.46.1 and libboost-filesystem1.46.1 are in universe? === hunger_ is now known as hunger [08:53] hi all, quick question: is it worth fixing software-center bugs now, as the interface seems like its being reimplemented with gtk3 and also been redesigned by mpt and other designers [08:55] is this a reasonable place to talk about dh_python2? [08:56] got somebody with a touchpad broken by update in natty, anyone know how to find last weeks version of xorg-xserver? [08:57] evfool: depeds on the bug, if its a small one its still worth fixing as we can backport it to 4.0. the gtk3 port is work in progress still, much is still missing s its good to have the gtk2 in good shape [08:58] thanks mvo [09:00] evfool: what bug do you have in mind? [09:01] small ui/usability fixes, like bug 802918, bug 802919 and bug 802920 [09:01] Launchpad bug 802918 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Message 'This App has not been reviewed yet' without network connection" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802918 [09:01] Launchpad bug 802919 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Install menu is enabled while disconnected" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802919 [09:01] Launchpad bug 802920 in software-center (Ubuntu) "'Reinstall previous purchase' menu is enabled while disconnected" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802920 [09:01] mvo^ [09:02] evfool: I think that is still fine, you can even do it in the 4.0 branch and I will merge it from there into trunk [09:12] brendand: hello! you update-manager bbattery_msg_part_hidden branch is ready for merging, right? [09:12] mvo - no, i have a problem where it hangs when any of the labels are hidden that i want to resize [09:13] mvo - hope i don't offend anyone here but gtk is pretty stupid at handling text wrapping [09:13] mvo - someone gave me an idea of how to finish it but not got time yet to check it out again [09:14] mvo - do you have a deadline? [09:14] brendand: iirc this got better with gtk3 [09:14] brendand: no, deadline, no [09:14] mvo - that's cool, so the change might be even easier [09:14] mvo - it might be good if i wait until the gtk3 changes are done [09:14] yeah, exactly [09:16] mvo - is there a tracking bug for that in update-manager? [09:16] for gtk3? [09:16] there is a branch by evfool that I check out now :) [09:17] mvo - oh cool [09:18] mvo - my branch? for update-manager? don't expect anything from that, just ran the pygi converter, and got stuck, but pitti asked me to push it somewhere and when he'll have time he'll look at it ... but he's extremely busy [09:20] mvo: just wanted to experiment with porting from pygtk to pygi, but I was not able to handle it, so I though I'd leave it to more experienced people or wait until I gain some more experience [09:20] *were === phantomcircuit is now known as _ [09:21] evfool: aha, thanks anyway for the update, I have a look at it === _ is now known as Guest29065 [09:36] Hi all [10:01] kees, RAOF or bryce: Hi, I got advised to direct a question I have to you last time I was on this channel. Basically I've been involved with writing a couple of very basic scripts / apps that use X to create a second X session on which to play games, as a workaround for Compiz and game clashes. As a strategy it works well but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to make work within the Ubuntu X session management f [10:01] ramework. I was hoping I could talk to you to come up with some definite solution. [10:06] cjwatson: hey, I need a grub gfxpayload quirk in natty for lenovo L420, but I'm not sure where to get the information for the quirk line. any pointers? [10:11] doko: are you aware that the two binutils versions in sid from this month are not working well with valgrind? dlopen of a .so that was linked with new binutils (no matter if gold or normal ld) crashes valgrind: http://pastebin.com/qBrsiiTC [10:12] slomo: lool pointed out an upstream fix [10:12] doko: want me to try the fix? [10:13] slomo: sure [10:13] doko: where is it? :) [10:13] slomo, doko: the fix is in oneiric and verified to work [10:14] slomo, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74573993/valgrind_1%3A3.6.1-0ubuntu1_1%3A3.6.1-0ubuntu2.diff.gz [10:15] seb128: thanks [10:15] slomo, yw [10:21] cjwatson: think I got it [10:22] mikey_: #ubuntu-x would be the place to talk about that. [10:22] RAOF: oh, ok === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:14] dholbach, you still need someone to freshen up the packaging guide? [11:14] Amoz, yes [11:14] Amoz, somebody started work on bringing it more in line with the general design of the ubuntu pages but ran out of time [11:14] Amoz, let me dig up the link again [11:15] dholbach, I already have it [11:15] oh, great :) [11:15] I was trying some different approaches, but all of them seems unclean [11:16] dholbach, and "ubuntu pages" refers to something like the wiki? [11:16] let me see if Ronnie and daker are in awake in #ubuntu-locoteams - they did quite a bit of web ui stuff for loco.ubuntu.com [11:16] Amoz, yes [11:17] there's already a branch with all the css, we just need to find a good way to map the css classes(is that what it's called? :-)) I think [11:18] hi [11:18] daker, Amoz and I were talking about http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=1026 [11:18] dholbach, I think the best way would be to redesign the html templates and let the django-light-theme (or what the name is) be untouched [11:19] if that's possible [11:19] Amoz, yes, and reuse those bits where possible [11:19] yeah otherwise we have to do a lot of css restyling I think [11:19] * dholbach nods === xeros_ is now known as xeros [11:19] even if we do it gradually, like do big changes first and then fix small bits as we go would be sweet [11:20] daker, does the approach generally sound sane? [11:20] ok, is there any work being done on that? [11:21] https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-packaging-guide/new-colours/+merge/56010 was the first try (without using the ubuntu-website bits) [11:21] apart from that there's no work in progress AFAIK [11:21] @pilot in === udevbot_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: didrocks [11:21] * dholbach hugs didrocks [11:22] * didrocks hugs dholbach back (I won't be there next week for my patch pilot time, so swapping with today as nobody is there :)) [11:22] didrocks, nice :) [11:22] * daker checking the code [11:23] Amoz, daker: should we maybe move to #ubuntu-website? (and whoever else is interested in retheming the packaging guide) [11:23] yep [11:31] dholbach: stupid question, but how can I reject https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-desktop3/oneiric-201107061510/+merge/67055 ? I can only set it as merged/WIP [11:32] didrocks, james_w can do it [11:32] I think there's a bug open for changing that in the LP UI [11:33] dholbach: ok, so apart from faking "merged", I can't make it disappear from the sponsoring list? [11:33] WIP will make it go away from the list [11:34] didrocks: you could delete the merge proposal too [11:35] tumbleweed: not sure if james_w doesn't want to clean afterwards the new branches [11:35] so yeah, WIP + comment then [11:36] didrocks: aah, I've deleted some recently [12:24] tjaalton: you should be able to extract it from lspci and massage it into the format described in /usr/share/grub-gfxpayload-lists/blacklist/00_header [12:24] james_w: who can I poke to get lp:ubuntu/gvfs updated? [12:26] cjwatson: yeah, it should be fine now, just needs some testing [12:26] pitti, should be up to date in a few minutes [12:26] james_w: cheers! [12:27] is that something we can avoid happening somehow? [12:27] in oneiric we synced from Debian [12:27] but now we'll need to modify it again [12:28] pitti, in general you can ask in #bzr [12:29] but that problem shouldn't happen [12:29] mvo I have made some fixes for the 4.0 branch, and requested a merge to the 4.0 branch, I hope that's ok, and you can merge it in the trunk, if the fix's ok [12:29] it happens if you push --overwrite the branch [12:29] james_w: is that what syncing did? [12:30] pitti, nope [12:30] syncing should be fine [12:32] evfool: \o/ awsome! thanks! [12:35] cjwatson: can you do the sync request in bug 806103 today? [12:35] Launchpad bug 806103 in python-oauth (Ubuntu) "Sync python-oauth 1.0.1-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806103 [12:36] I can sync it [12:36] pitti: awesome, thanks === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:37] pitti: that'll close out python-central on the cds! [12:37] yay [12:45] barry: that's what I get for intermittently checking IRC [12:53] didrocks: libboost-system1.46.1 and libboost-filesystem1.46.1 are only in Universe because nothing in Main needs them. [12:55] ScottK: thanks for the answer :) I know at least it's not a blocker then [13:19] pitti, unfortunately it hit another (known) bug and so it won't be up to date === psurbhi is now known as csurbhi-testing [13:36] * psurbhi booted successfully from the first event-based initramfs on my laptop :) - just uploaded a ppa [13:37] yeah! [13:37] https://launchpad.net/~csurbhi/+archive/natty-initramfs [13:37] will not work for initrds that change the root device [13:37] that might need some modification [13:38] however should work otherwise [13:38] if not, i will definitely wait for bugs [13:38] :) [13:38] is there a way of filing for bugs for a ppa? [13:38] Not yet [13:38] just make a project if you want [13:38] ok [13:38] nigelb, thanks :) [13:38] np :) [13:41] editing the description of how to try the ppa [13:48] any volunteers: [13:48] https://launchpad.net/~csurbhi/+archive/natty-initramfs [13:49] please follow the description at this ppa [13:49] i will wait for updates [13:50] psurbhi: you may want to e-mail ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com to get more testers [13:52] Also, blogging on the kernel blog might me a good idea [13:52] ok [13:52] stgraber, nigelb, thanks! [13:53] plan to make foundations team mates scape goats before i start attacking the ubuntu devel [13:53] :D [13:53] stgraber, which means i will wait for your input [13:53] :P [13:54] heh [13:54] then you'll have "psurbhi made my laptop to stop working!" [13:54] nigelb, hehee! if you follow the instructions, you are pretty much risk free [13:55] if not, you definitely are at a big risk [13:55] :D [13:55] whatever gurantees, never delete your initramfs that works [13:55] :) [13:55] use a temporary one and edit your grub command line [13:55] :) [13:55] do that and you will sail safely [13:55] If were running Natty, I'd definitely give it a shot, but alas my machines run Lucid and Maverick [13:55] need to upgrade the Maverick machines this weekend [13:56] nigelb, you could try it for maverick too really [13:56] i have tested it on maverick and natty [13:56] In which case, trying on maverick now. [13:56] nigelb, thanks a lot!!!! [13:56] please remember not to install the ppa- but install the SOURCE [13:56] why didn't you just upload the source if it's that bad? [13:57] psurbhi: hmm, I'll have to download and install a Natty VM then :) I only have Oneiric systems around. [13:57] stgraber ok! [13:58] Laney, I have uploaded the source [13:58] i mean somewhere other than a ppa [13:58] Laney, I haven't yet worked on the install scripts [13:58] yet [13:58] its not that bad yet! [13:58] ;) [13:59] Laney, let me upload the source somewhere too :) [14:00] psurbhi: I meant that if you don't want people to install it then you might as well /just/ upload the source to your webspace [14:01] PPAs are for distributing debs really [14:01] but YMMV :-) [14:01] Laney, yeah i agree with you [14:02] Actually, in that case, just push it into a bzr repo [14:03] ok [14:03] * Laney shrugs [14:04] also kept the source as tar.gz here: [14:04] http://people.canonical.com/~surbhi/event-based-initramfs/ [14:04] I was just trying to save users from accidently installing .deb :P [14:04] Laney, ack! [14:04] cheers psurbhi! [14:14] barry: silly question, but can you recomment a good python indent tool? I have a piece of old python code of mine that is really a broken tab/2,4 indent piece that I want to fix once and for all [14:17] barry: nevermind, I found reindent.py [14:17] I use vim to fix broken indentation. [14:17] mvo: yeah, i use emacs :) [14:18] :set et sw=4 sts=4, :%retab [14:18] barry: emacs is too clever, it notces the 2 space indent in a class wanted to keep it [14:18] thanks ion [14:18] (if i interpreted your message correctly) [14:19] ion: yeah, that is what I want, a global reindent of the whole file with 4 spaces === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:35] pitti: hi, regarding the ill-fated bug 790145, would you mind kicking the current qemu-kvm packages from lucid-proposed and maverick-proposed (they've been superseded) and accepting my new ones which sit atop the new -security versions? [14:35] Launchpad bug 790145 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Maverick) "kvm husb: ctrl buffer too small" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790145 === brendand_ is now known as brendand_n310 [15:01] mvo: I am looking at bug 803277 and an error message in the dpkgterminallog.txt regarding update-alternatives [15:01] Launchpad bug 803277 in mono (Ubuntu) "package mono-runtime 2.4.4~svn151842-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803277 [15:01] mvo: update-alternatives: error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/cli corrupt: invalid status [15:02] bdmurray: I think we need to ask for addding this file to the bugreport [15:02] bdmurray: I asked in the bugreport now [15:02] mvo: okay, looking around there are quite a few 'update-alternatives.*invalid status' bug reports [15:05] mvo: should those be treated the same way or should dmesg be examined for memory / hardware issues? [15:10] where does the change that our ld is using --as-needed by default coming from? ubuntu? or debian? [15:10] bdmurray: I don't now :/ I am not sure if that is the result of a programming error or fs corruption [15:11] Sweetshark, I think it is an ubuntu change, at least that was the case in natty [15:12] @pilot out === udevbot_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: [15:13] janimo: k, thx. good to know since it break the build here. [15:13] mvo: okay, I'll look into some manually and see what I find [15:13] bdmurray: thanks! keep me updated please [15:14] Sweetshark, AIUI it is enabled so we fix packages preemptively, as this becomes default behaviour when a switch to the gold linker happens [15:15] although I may be confusing it with the --add-needed option (which got renamed to avoid such confusions) [15:16] * Sweetshark is scared of the thought to link LibreOffice with gold. === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [15:38] siretart, is there a particular schedule for uploading libav? There's a crasher fixed upstream which I found useful but it may not be necessarily urgent for Ubuntu (lightspark crashes with it) [15:39] siretart, I built a package locally to confirm it is the right fix http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.ffmpeg.devel/133360 [15:40] slangasek: cjwatson commented on bug 500175 regarding passthrough and debconf [15:40] Launchpad bug 500175 in software-center (Ubuntu Lucid) "Canceling an installation in Software Center crashes debconf with "Use of uninitialized value $reply in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Passthrough.pm line 66,"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500175 [15:41] it's not clear to me that the tzdata case is the same [15:41] I'm having a go at reproducing that now [15:42] I've also seen 'user did not accept license' in the msttcorefonts ones regarding passthrough.pm === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [15:43] that sounds like a symptom of cancellation [15:43] I think at least some of these are going to end up being package installation failures that should be suppressed from crash reporting [15:43] I don't see any other way round some of them === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:52] janimo: well, I'd prefer to have it fixed in libav upstream first, and then I'm happy to upload it to debian/ubuntu, but otherwise, I don't have a 'particular schedule' for uploads [15:53] bdmurray: can't reproduce by just updating tzdata on top of 10.04 :-/ [15:53] (well, a 10.04 image from July 2010 sometime) [15:54] I guess I can try 11.04 since there are reports from that ... [16:04] bdmurray: what would be a good way to stop reports of this kind of thing when it's just that the user hit cancel? dump a known piece of text into the terminal log or something? [16:07] cjwatson: I think so but perhaps mvo would have a different idea [16:08] sounds good to me [16:15] if I could reproduce the damn thing it would really help, though. [16:15] mvo: and then we'd put that text in apt or apport? [16:15] it would have to be a message emitted by the debconf passthrough frontend [16:15] so you'd just have something pattern-matching on error messages, which is ugh but anyway [16:16] cjwatson: right and then added to apt or apport to not generate a crash [16:18] I would prefer apport (but need to rush to dinner now) [16:52] slangasek: i was rebooting and during the shutdown process noticed that 'Checking for running unattended-upgrades' appeared on the same line as something else. Does that mean /etc/init.d/unattended-upgrades is missing a newline? and is there some log file I check for shutdown messages? === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha [17:03] @pilot in === udevbot_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: barry === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [17:12] * cjwatson wonders why a bug's reporter is called .owner in the LP API [17:17] cjwatson: Because all LP objects have owners? [17:17] I guess. It just seems an odd way to put it [17:17] Thankfully, that's the only odd thing in the entirety of Launchpad. [17:18] 4hah [17:21] miaow [17:24] you're not supposed to say that out loud are you? :) [17:25] What? That was my "completely sincere" voice. [17:25] barry: could pilot https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/update-manager/apport-gconf/+merge/67228 ? [17:25] er could you [17:25] bdmurray: gah, even fairly brutal methods are failing to reproduce the tzdata case [17:25] escalating to a bigger chainsaw [17:26] bdmurray: yep, i'm looking at this one right now and will look at yours afterward: http://tinyurl.com/622frtw [17:28] barry: thanks the debdiff in bug 797894 goes hand in hand with that merge proposal too [17:28] Launchpad bug 797894 in update-manager (Ubuntu Natty) "update-manager bug reports would benefit from an apport-hook" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797894 [17:29] bdmurray: cool [17:32] bdmurray: aha! I can reproduce it if I upgrade both libpam0g and tzdata in update-manager [17:32] any of you seen this odd behaviour on natty: logging in only works at a DM, not at a TTY? [17:33] cjwatson: great! [17:33] huh. well that just got more interesting. bugs are weird. works on TTY3, fails every time on TTY2 [17:34] maco: Maybe tty2 thinks you have a key stuck or something? (reset tty2, or switch to tty2 and randomly hammer modifier keys a bit before trying to log in?) [18:05] ooh and rww spotted someone in #ubuntu having *all* TTY logins fail === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [18:44] hi, quick package versioning question. I have a package in oneiric I want to build on lucid: python-psutil 0.2.1-1 [18:44] what should the version/release look like in lucid? [18:45] not only build, but backport and maintain in a ppa of mine [18:45] bdmurray: is the patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/797894 already uploaded to natty-proposed? [18:45] Ubuntu bug 797894 in update-manager (Ubuntu Natty) "update-manager bug reports would benefit from an apport-hook" [Medium,In progress] [18:46] barry: no, it needs uploading [18:46] bdmurray: k, looking at that now [18:47] barry: thanks! [18:48] all right so if a debian package version jumped to 0.7.4.2-0.3 (used to be 0.7.3-1 format), do we make it 0.7.4.2-0.3-0ubuntu1? [18:50] serge_: no, 0.7.4.2-0.3ubuntu1 [18:50] serge_: 'dch -i' on an Ubuntu system should generally do the right thing to add a suitably incremented entry to the top of the changelog === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:53] bdmurray: fwiw, the debdiff in #3 does not apply cleanly to the natty branch. in fact: patch: **** malformed patch at line 36: diff -Nru update-manager-0.150.2/debian/update-manager-core.install update-manager-0.150.3/debian/update-manager-core.install [18:53] [18:53] cjwatson: thanks [18:53] bdmurray: any chance you can regenerate the patch? otherwise i'll manually apply it [18:56] barry: sure [18:58] bdmurray, cjwatson: 500175> so does cancel not get passed through the passthrough? [18:58] or else, why is the log so messy when someone presses cancel? [18:58] bdmurray: I don't think we have a shutdown log, no; but upstart jobs can run in parallel to init scripts even on shutdown, maybe that's what's happening here? [19:01] james_w: ok, thanks; I'll update it the oldfashioned way then :) [19:01] serge_: no need to explicitly kick them; we'll just review them [19:02] barry: okay new one added [19:03] bdmurray: thanks, that applies cleanly [19:04] well, except for the changelog, but i'll fix that [19:05] what is wrong with the changelog? [19:07] bdmurray: the debian/changelog hunk FAILED [19:07] bdmurray: hmm, i grabbed `bzr ubuntu:natty/update-manager`. maybe i should have grabbed something else though [19:08] barry: maybe natty-updates? [19:08] bdmurray: let's try that! [19:09] bdmurray: yep, much better [19:19] slangasek: passthrough is a bit slow to notice cancel, and witters a bit about undef values until it eventually gets killed by SIGPIPE. Fixing that would be a good thing. However, the ultimate effect would be the same - the user's cancelled, it needs to exit non-zereo [19:19] *non-zero [19:19] so the nonsense spewed on stderr is just noise rather than substance IMO [19:20] bug 442941 is much more interesting [19:20] Launchpad bug 442941 in debconf (Ubuntu) "debconf failed to upgrade from 1.5.27ubuntu1 to 1.5.27ubuntu2: exit status 128 - Use of uninitialized value $reply in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Passthrough.pm line 66" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442941 [19:21] and I fear that the proximate cause is actually an installer bug [19:21] after a fresh installation, /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is mode 0600 [19:21] this means that the UI side of aptdaemon's debconf proxy can't start [19:22] I don't know if that's the whole problem [19:32] hi guys, quick packaging question. I want to build https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-psutil/0.2.1-1 in a lucid ppa, what should its version become? 0.2.1-1ubuntu0.10.04? [19:33] ahasenack: try backportpackage from ubuntu-dev-tools [19:33] micahg: beat me to it :) [19:34] :) [19:34] micahg: thanks, I will === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:35] micahg: hmm, I don't see it in that package [19:35] micahg: mine is ubuntu-dev-tools 0.99 [19:35] I have lucid-backports [19:36] ahasenack: yeah, that's likely too old...let me see if the daily PPA has lucid builds... [19:36] looks like it doesn't [19:37] ahasenack: yeah, so basically VERSION~RELEASE~ppa1 is what the script uses [19:37] tumbleweed, bdrung_: ^ [19:37] it also has other problems, it fails to import lazr.uri [19:37] from lazr.uri import URI [19:37] ImportError: No module named uri [19:37] but I have it [19:37] ii python-lazr.uri 1.0.2-1 [19:37] or I think I do :) [19:37] that was ubuntu-build, btw [19:37] micahg: it's {VERSION}~{RELEASE}1~ppa1 [19:37] because VERSION~RELEASE1 is what we use for automated backports [19:38] broder: oh, hmm, right, was confusing with what I did before [19:38] so, python-psutil-0.2.1-1 becomes python-psutil-0.2.1-1~10.04.1~ppa1? [19:38] ahasenack: no, we would do 0.2.1-1~lucid1~ppa1 [19:38] ok, s/10.04/lucid/ [19:39] and a dot [19:39] broder: and if I do local changes, I bump to ppa2 and so on? [19:40] ahasenack: you only need to bump the number each time you upload to the PPA [19:40] broder: ok, but it's that last number, right? After the "ppa" suffix [19:40]