[00:20] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu  [Reign_] (~IceChat77@c-98-213-126-119.hsd1.il.comcast.net) very odd behavior, would not try a single troubleshooting step
[00:23] <tsimpson> bazhang: the mark doesn't really work well when you place the nick in []
[00:24] <bazhang> tsimpson, okay, apologies. will remember that
[00:25] <tsimpson> the only problem is that I don't think the BT search includes comments
[01:38] <Wally> Hiya :)
 apshack: fix it yourself.. its Opensource
 yay you broke it!
[01:39] <Wally> bazhang: Well you saw the way he was talking.
 MrKeuner: I am a honest Aussie citizen.. I admit I trolled.. I will stop
 Typical 13 year olds.
[01:40] <bazhang> Wally, he was likely a non-native speaker. the aver media chip is one in Asia
[01:40] <Wally> Yeah..
[01:40] <Corey> Wally: Also, if someone else is trolling, "piling on" isn't likely a good solution.
[01:40] <bazhang> so you calling him a troll, goading him, and being abusive are complete non-starters.
[01:41] <Wally> Yeah I agree Corey My bad.
[01:41] <bazhang> Wally, this time is a /remove and a warning.
[01:42] <Wally> So he gets away with being smart.. and "badgering" about an issue while he proceeded to threaten to break something.
[01:42] <bazhang> Wally, this is not about anyone else but you.
[01:42] <Corey> Wally: Should you find his content objectionable, you can always /ignore him.
[01:43] <Wally> Fair point Corey.
[01:43] <Wally> bazhang: Yeah true that..
[01:43] <bazhang> Wally, there are moderators in the channel. You are not one of them.
[01:43] <Wally> bazhang: No. I am not
[01:43] <Corey> Wally: But "you fighting fire with fire" doesn't remove the problem, it simply means that now we have two problems.
[01:43] <bazhang> !guidelines | Wally have a read
[01:45] <Wally> Righto then.
[01:45] <bazhang> !coc | Wally and this too
[01:47] <Wally> k
[01:48] <Wally> Can I go now?
[02:03] <bazhang> I know this is offtopic, but let me proceed anyway...</OT>
[02:25] <bazhang> ban forward for fluttershyfan? or dont bother, just @mark
[02:25] <rww> @mark #ubuntu fluttershyfan language problem
 A keyboard driver with better response times for the caps lock key is all I Require good sirs, please I Beseach thee is a humble peasant in this land of noble irc users
[02:51] <bazhang> keyboard drivers?
[02:55] <bazhang> psydoll cant really believe that
[03:09] <bazhang> christopherNG is psydoll
[03:09] <bazhang> err was
[03:11] <rww> ident and realname for both are default Ubuntu LiveCD. Anything else?
[03:12] <bazhang> * ubuntu___ (~ubuntu@host86-144-100-115.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <bazhang> * ubuntu___ is now known as Psydoll
[03:13] <rww> thanks
[03:13] <bazhang> * Psydoll has quit (Changing host)
[03:13] <bazhang> * Psydoll (~ubuntu@unaffiliated/psydoll) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <bazhang> whoop sorry
[03:20] <Psydoll> hey folks looks like some operator disabled my rights in the offtopic channel after baiting me out and encouraging me, would like to be able to post in the channel again.
[03:20] <Psydoll> actually it was rww
[03:20] <rww> o/
[03:20] <rww> tonyyarusso: you want to take this?
[03:21] <Psydoll> anyway if i dont get them back i just re-register and come back under a different username and re-register.
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> Want to, not really, but I will :P
[03:21] <rww> Psydoll: evading bans is a violation of freenode network policy, and may result in you being removed from the network. I do not recommend it, especially given that you just announced that you intend to do so in a channel with freenode staffers in it.
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> Psydoll: What you just threatened to do is a violation of network policy and would get you banned from all of Freenode, not just Ubuntu channels.
[03:21] <rww> tonyyarusso: go find another active op to pass the hot potato to, then :P
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> Additionally, saying that just made my job super easy, because it just clarified beyond all doubt that you do not deserve to have the mute lifted.
[03:22] <Psydoll> its no sweat really anyway im watching a movie.
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> Enjoy the film!
[03:23] <Psydoll> Just funny because an operator was the one that was demanding i answer a question about Kanji after I repeatedly said end of topic.
[03:24] <Corey> Hello.
[03:24] <Psydoll> If you dont like the answer then dont ask the question :)
[03:25] <Corey> Psydoll: You really, really don't want to start the ban evasion game.
[03:26] <Psydoll> Im asking for my rights back or a time on when I would get them back, Since I was deliberately baited and set up by an operator after I repeatedly said "end of topic"
[03:27] <Psydoll> Been coming on freenode for a long time, and been contributing in the #ubuntu channel just helped someone with his sound problem.
[03:27] <rww> I believe I said "a couple of days" already.
[03:27] <rww> Also, you do not have a "right" to speak in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[03:28] <Psydoll> yea but you deliberately baited and called me out after i kept saying "end of topic"
[03:28] <Corey> A fanatic is a person who won't change his mind and can't change the subject.
[03:28] <rww> If one of the other ops here feels that I deliberately baited you and that my quiet was unwarranted, I would appreciate it if they removed that quiet.
[03:29] <Psydoll> when I said "end of topic" i should have been left alone
[03:29] <Corey> Psydoll: Give it a day or so to calm down, then re-enter.
[03:29] <Psydoll> np corey, ive been coming on freenode for years and im not in a big rush anyway.
[03:30] <Corey> Psydoll: Thanks, it's appreciated.
[03:30] <Psydoll> Q/
[03:30] <Corey> I'd consider pulling it-- he has something of a point.
 Stallman is not pleased.
[03:35] <bazhang> is he suggesting the user open up their computer to check the ram? augh
[03:39] <bazhang> rww, removed the mute?
[03:39] <rww> On further consideration I'm 50%-50% on whether it's warranted, and I find that I'm usually wrong when I feel that.
[03:40] <bazhang> you did NOT bait him
[03:41] <bazhang> kierge seems to offering some very suspect advice
[04:03] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu kierge> dee27, they are full of human viruses
[04:24] <bazhang> tired of his nonsense. telling people to google it now.
[07:43] <ikonia> rww: fyi psydoll has been a problem in #ubuntu too, his attitude in general stinks, he plays ##slackware off agfainst #ubuntu
[11:50] <ikonia> frantk: hello there
[11:51] <frantk> hi, I just wanted to check if newobjectivec has managed to come here
[11:51] <ikonia> no
[11:51] <ikonia> he thinks I'm trying to misslead him by telling him to join this channel
[11:52] <frantk> yeah
[11:52] <ikonia> he insists #freenode is the correct place and they will take action against me
[11:52] <ikonia> he also believes I banned him in #debian - which someone else did, so he can't grasp things
[11:52] <frantk> well, #freenode would have been the right place for his original questions...
[11:52] <frantk> hehe
[11:53] <ikonia> well, I'll let him do what he wants, I can't make him understand/listen
[11:53] <ikonia> frantk: thank you for your assistance in #freenode
[11:54] <frantk> no problem
[11:54] <ikonia> do you need anything else from the channel ?
[11:54] <frantk> no. should I leave?
[11:55] <ikonia> if you wouldn't mind, we keep the channel free for issues to be resolved
[11:55] <frantk> no problem, I understand
[11:56] <ikonia> nice to see a helpful soul for once
[11:56] <popey> +1
[11:57] <newobjectivec> hi
[11:57] <ikonia> hello nw
[11:57] <ikonia> newobjectivec:
[11:57] <newobjectivec> ikonia i'm complaining about you
[11:57] <newobjectivec> should i complain to you about you?
[11:57] <ikonia> I understand that, that's why I asked you to this channel
[11:57] <newobjectivec> ok
[11:57] <ikonia> newobjectivec: we can discuss your ban and the reasoning in here,
[11:58] <newobjectivec> ok
[11:58] <ikonia> I didn't feel it productive to continue in private
[11:58] <newobjectivec> thats what i said earlier
[11:58] <newobjectivec> that talking to you about it doesnt change anything
[11:58] <newobjectivec> and i dont feel comfortable talking to you
[11:58] <newobjectivec> i dont mean to be rude
[11:58] <newobjectivec> but i talked to you for a long time
[11:59] <newobjectivec> 40 minutes to be specific
[11:59] <ikonia> newobjectivec: you where banned from ubuntu after repeated warnings to follow the channels topics, other people gave you information about the correct places to get help - and you didn't follow them
[11:59] <ikonia> newobjectivec: you where kicked as warnings and again given information to get help from the correct places, you again ignored it
[11:59] <ikonia> this resulted in you calling me a natzi, and your banning
[11:59] <newobjectivec> are you trying to poison the wells?
[11:59] <ikonia> just so you are clear on the reason
[12:00] <newobjectivec> i came to here to complain
[12:00] <newobjectivec> i dont want to come across as rude
[12:00] <newobjectivec> i'm upset by your behaviour
[12:00] <ikonia> I understand that, which is why I'm explaining to you the reasoning again, so you're clear as to why you have been banned
[12:00] <newobjectivec> and its wrong for me to complain about you to you
[12:00] <newobjectivec> if i was going to complain about you to you
[12:00] <newobjectivec> then there would be no point in me doing it
[12:00] <ikonia> newobjectivec: the channel is full of other operators also
[12:01] <newobjectivec> if you have something to say about the entire issue, then say it, if you have something to say to me, then say it, if you want to say your side then say it, but dont direct what i will say.
[12:01] <ikonia> hence why I asked you here, so others could contribute/see the conversation
[12:01] <newobjectivec> you didnt ask me here
[12:01] <ikonia> please don't lie
[12:01] <newobjectivec> i was asked to come to here from the freenode channel
[12:01] <ikonia> newobjectivec: by me
[12:01] <ikonia> I asked you in #freenode
[12:02] <newobjectivec> [12:46] <Caso> newobjectivec: See #ubuntu-ops for Ubuntu channel issues.
[12:02] <newobjectivec> [12:48] <ikonia> please join #ubuntu-ops if you wish to complain
[12:02] <newobjectivec> notice the time stamp
[12:02] <newobjectivec> caso said it first
[12:02] <ikonia> that's called network lag
[12:02] <newobjectivec> are you caso ?
[12:02] <ikonia> no
[12:03] <newobjectivec> why did you call me a lier then ?
[12:03] <elky> ikonia, it seems this isn't worth the bother.
[12:03] <newobjectivec> just becouse you repeated what he said it doesnt mean you said it
[12:03] <ikonia> elky: I would agree, this is the attitude I had in pm - so I'll leave it
[12:03] <ikonia> and the attitude that got him banned from #debian
[12:03] <newobjectivec> so now its me who is not worth the bother and its me who has an attitude
[12:04] <newobjectivec> this is what i didnt want
[12:04] <newobjectivec> i didnt want some one targetting me
[12:04] <Pici> Why don't you start over then.
[12:04] <newobjectivec> then not letting me complain
[12:04] <newobjectivec> well
[12:04] <elky> Then you should probably have not got hung up on who mentioned this channel first.
[12:04] <newobjectivec> i went to ubuntu
[12:04] <newobjectivec> and ilonai was kicking mne
[12:04] <newobjectivec> me
[12:04] <newobjectivec> in a periord of seconds
[12:04] <newobjectivec> it was hard to know what was happening
[12:05] <newobjectivec> and it was followed by a bann
[12:05] <newobjectivec> so i went to another channel asking for help
[12:05] <newobjectivec> and the same person was there and removed my voice
[12:05] <ikonia> I have no power in #debian - so again, nothing to do with me
[12:06] <newobjectivec> i dont know if i should copy and paste what happened there
[12:06] <newobjectivec> but i feel that you are trying to sabotage my complaint
[12:06] <Pici> newobjectivec: We don't handle anything in #debian, so no, it wouldn't be prudent to tell us about it.
[12:07] <elky> * abrotman sets ban on *!*@78-86-145-235.zone2.bethere.co.uk
[12:07] <newobjectivec> the point is
[12:07] <mrmist> newobjectivec: it seems that you are possibly a bit confused as to how this network operates.  For general questions, maybe ask in #freenode rather thn #ubuntu. If there is a more suitable place, we'll direct you to it from there.  Please meanwhile respect chanop decisions when they ask you to stay on topic. Thanks :)
[12:07] <newobjectivec> ikonai kept following me through the channel
[12:07] <newobjectivec> channels
[12:07] <newobjectivec> i think ikonai is picking on me
[12:07] <newobjectivec> i messaged that op and first i expressed frastration
[12:08] <elky> Ikonia was already in #debian. He has been for years.
[12:08] <newobjectivec> then becouse was responding to my messages i thought maybe wasnt picking on me and i apologised for what i said
[12:08] <Pici> newobjectivec: Most channels have rules. I understand that you are frustrated by them, but that still means that you need to follow them.
[12:08] <newobjectivec> by the way
[12:08] <newobjectivec> i'm a slow reader
[12:08] <newobjectivec> so i probably missed messages typed here
[12:08] <Pici> Okay?
[12:09] <Pici> Perhaps you should read responses before typing your reply then.
[12:09] <newobjectivec> i want to finish what i was saying then i will go up there and read what was typed
[12:09] <Pici> Thats not really how IRC is supposed to work...
[12:09] <newobjectivec> anyway one last point
[12:10] <ikonia> you've just spent 40 minutes telling me how IRC works, how you've been on it since 1990, yet you don't seem to be able to grasp the simple point of "follow the rules"
[12:10] <newobjectivec> so after expressing my frastration, and i do have allot of frastrations about manytimes when ops use kick and ban casually. then i apologised and everything. but then there was the ban there still present.
[12:11] <newobjectivec> and ikonai said that i dont benifit ubuntu for that reason there is the ban
[12:11] <newobjectivec> all of these things i see them as authoriterian behaviour
[12:11] <Pici> newobjectivec: May I respond now?
[12:11] <newobjectivec> today i came across even in this channel as a person with an attitude
[12:12] <newobjectivec> i'm not a person with an attitude
[12:12] <mrmist> If I may, I suspect your lack of willingness to listen to anything people communicate to you whilst you're mid-flow probably contributes to that mis-impression.
[12:13] <Pici> mrmist: I was just about to say something like that.
[12:13] <newobjectivec> and i didnt do anything wrong and i think what was done although it doesnt effect me yet it was unfair, i resent it which is why i came to post a complaint, i doubt anything will happen since people allready started taking a position against me. but at least i feel comfortable that i didnt accept it. and that i resisted it and expressed my displeasure about it.
[12:13] <newobjectivec> i finished what i was saying, going to read what was typed
[12:14] <elky> I suspect if you're this ways limited in a real-time discussion medium that you'd be much better served on the forums.
[12:14] <elky> !forums
[12:15] <Pici> elky: That is a good point.
[12:15] <Pici> Or askubuntu
[12:15] <Pici> !askubuntu
[12:18] <newobjectivec> i read what was said
[12:18] <newobjectivec> i understand that people are not happy about how i speak
[12:18] <newobjectivec> and that i got advised to go to forums
[12:19] <elky> I believe forums and askubuntu would be more suited to your limitation from reading and writing at the same time. the pace is much more like what you seem to expect from relay chat.
[12:21] <newobjectivec> i respect everyone's opinion. but i have a different opinion. and we are all entitled to our opinions. i hope i dont come across as rude, and i'm not trying to make an issue out of nothing, but i used irc for long and people dont make issues about how i comunicate, everyone have their limitations, there are ways around that. kicking and banning some one is not the solution, and with all
[12:21] <newobjectivec> respect, telling some one to use a forum although i know its said light heartedly yet i think its not a solution. if the way i talk was very disturbing i wouldnt have used irc for this long.
[12:23] <elky> newobjectivec, the simple fact is that you were unable to ask appropriate questions in #ubuntu. It's not a support channel for mIRC. Nor is #debian a support channel for c++.
[12:24] <newobjectivec> i understand that
[12:24] <elky> We have no intention of asking 1500 people in #ubuntu to stop typing so you can keep up, either.
[12:24] <newobjectivec> i didnt ask people to stop typing
[12:24] <newobjectivec> there is a channel called drupal
[12:24] <newobjectivec> it focuses on CMS
[12:24] <newobjectivec> becouse there are people who have website building skills there
[12:25] <newobjectivec> i go there and ask them about otherthings including flash and html
[12:25] <newobjectivec> they dont get offended by that
[12:25] <newobjectivec> when i went to ubuntu
[12:25] <newobjectivec> i wanted to know how to put a time stamp
[12:25] <newobjectivec> on my mirc
[12:25] <newobjectivec> some one said go to micr channel
[12:25] <newobjectivec> so it was great help
[12:25] <newobjectivec> i went there
[12:25] <newobjectivec> and i was told how to put it
[12:25] <newobjectivec> then i had one last question about the difference between c++ and visual C++
[12:26] <elky> Does #drupal have 1500 people using it?
[12:26] <newobjectivec> i thought there was someone who knows the answer
[12:26] <newobjectivec> its the main channel for a main CMS used for the white house website so yes it has allot of people
[12:26] <newobjectivec> probably more than 1500
[12:26] <elky> There are not 1500 people in #drupal.
[12:26] <newobjectivec> not talking about drupal here
[12:27] <newobjectivec> about drupal in whatever server they are located
[12:27] <newobjectivec> but the point is not about how i read or how many people are in drupal
[12:27] <elky> But maybe you should ask them about c++ if you really believe they're ok with offtopic questions.
[12:27] <newobjectivec> its about simple things getting turned into big issues
[12:27] <newobjectivec> and when i message the opp, the opp expresses that i was polite for apologising
[12:28] <newobjectivec> but i'm not benificial to a channel
[12:28] <elky> Actually it is. There is only so much demand that one channel can accomodate. We must limit the scope of #ubuntu to make sure that questions directly related to ubuntu have priority.
[12:28] <newobjectivec> the channel is not a place to benifit people, many people in the channel are idling. and telling me that its about being benificial is an excuse and its about being autoritative.
[12:28] <elky> You are not beneficial to #ubuntu if you are using it for non-ubuntu questions.
[12:29] <newobjectivec> i came to complain about it here, you know how this conversation went, and i can tell that ultimately i will be the wrong one here and i will be anotherone biting the dust. the opp is allways right
[12:29] <elky> It's nothing to do with authority. We must moderate the busy channel to make sure that people who need help with the product within our scope to support get the help they need. c++ has it's own channel.
[12:30] <elky> newobjectivec, we have rules. We must stick to the rules.
[12:30] <newobjectivec> ok
[12:31] <elky> Now if that is all, I need to get to bed.
[12:31] <newobjectivec> thank you for being open minded about this issue and taking the time to explain your point of view
[12:33] <elky> Thanks. There's no ongoing need for you to stay here. We keep it free from idlers so that for example, discussions like this don't get disrupted by lots of people being silly.
[12:33] <elky> !logs
[12:33] <elky> The channel is logged however. Thanks.
 Could somebody help me configure network devices for initramfs ?
[12:56] <bazhang> that make sense?
[13:03] <ikonia> not to me
[13:16] <tiredhungryy> hi
[13:16] <tiredhungryy> can i please have my ban removed
[13:16] <tiredhungryy> learnt my lesson
[13:16] <bazhang> tiredhungryy, hi
[13:17] <tiredhungryy> hi bazhang
[13:17] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: not at this time
[13:18] <tiredhungryy> i was drunkkkkkk
[13:18] <tiredhungryy> i came home from bar
[13:18] <tiredhungryy> was immature i know
[13:19] <h00k> @login
[13:19] <h00k> @btlogin
[13:19] <Pici> Factoid request handled.
[13:20] <popey> @btlogin
[13:21] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: considering your harmful activity did go on several days, including ban evasion, I'd say no, not at this time
[13:21] <tiredhungryy> i didnt do any ban evasion
[13:21] <tiredhungryy> i have a dialup modem
[13:22] <tiredhungryy> it changed ip without me realising
[13:22] <Tm_T> it's not that
[13:23] <Tm_T> and you very well know it, so I suggest you don't try to enter #ubuntu in atleast a month, and we'll look it again then
[13:23] <tiredhungryy> fine
[13:23] <ikonia> even if it did change the IP - you still repeated the same dd if= of= gag
[13:23] <popey> "gag"
[13:23] <ikonia> so you repeated the behaviour even if you didn't mean to ban dodge
[13:23] <tiredhungryy> he asked how to remove home folder, that would remove it
[13:23] <ikonia> popey: yes, he claims it was a joke to destroy other peoples machines
[13:23] <ikonia> tiredhungryy: you where told not to do it again, and you did,
[13:23] <tiredhungryy> then i said instantly in caps it is joke
[13:24] <ikonia> tiredhungryy: yes, but when you've come back since then, you've done it again
[13:24] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: you knew we said don't do it
[13:24] <h00k> that is still not inappropriate behavior, especially after a removal for it once.
[13:24] <Pici> cooks
[13:24] <Pici> kitchen
[13:24] <h00k> s/not//
[13:24] <Pici> etc
[13:24]  * h00k wanders off
[13:24]  * tiredhungryy off to reset modem
[13:24] <ikonia> byew
[13:24] <ikonia> bye
[13:25] <tiredhungryy> i tried being curteous and apologising but seems i'll have to just ban evade
[13:26] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: remember that you have been warned before that ban evasion is against freenode policies, and it wont help you in any way
[13:26] <tiredhungryy> reseting my modem isn't malicious, but if u want to ban every ip in china in one swoop, go ahead
[13:26] <jpds> OK.
[13:27] <tiredhungryy> block out 3 billion people
[13:27] <tiredhungryy> because of a joke
[13:27] <jpds> Argh, wrong window.
[13:27] <tiredhungryy> sure
[13:27] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: ban evasion = entering channel knowing one is banned there
[13:27] <Tm_T> and you know
[13:27] <Tm_T> so any means you do use to enter the channel is ban evasion
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> ok
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> good luck finding me
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> i wont call myself tiredhungry3
[13:28] <Tm_T> ok, bye for now then
[13:28] <ikonia> ok - bye
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> FUCKKKKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> there
[13:28] <ikonia> ok - bye
[13:28] <bazhang> wait, kernels take up a lot of space?
[13:28] <jpds> tiredhungryy: Later.
[13:29] <tiredhungryy> geeks
[13:29] <h00k> hey, my coffee is empty.
[13:29] <LjL> h00k: call genii
[13:29] <ikonia> the coffee master
[13:30]  * h00k strokes his coffee mug in hopes of genii appearing
[13:32] <Tm_T> h00k: maybe this happened? http://www.bluemilkspecial.com/?p=198
[13:32] <h00k> Tm_T: that is fantastic
[13:32]  * h00k prints
[13:33] <Tm_T> note the logo in the mug
[13:34] <Tm_T> bah, forgot the mug isn't appearing in that strip
[13:35] <h00k> My face was pressed against my monitor looking for a mug and/or logo
[13:36] <Tm_T> h00k: join the other channel (;
[13:41] <bazhang>  [changeTheWorld] (~timetobur@61.173.30.0): ...
 btw guys you should all run  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda    it will speed up your system 10x
[13:42] <bazhang> same fellow right?
[13:42] <jpds> Yep.
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> wahahhahahahaha
[13:43]  * changeTheWorld evil grin
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> next time i will just not bother giving myself away
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> but i will continue to join the channel as often as i wish
[13:43] <jpds> Until then.
[13:43] <bazhang> changeTheWorld, ban evasion is against freenode policy
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> about 1 minute it takes
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> dial up modems rock
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> all freenode can do is ban my ip
[13:44]  * changeTheWorld thinks these ops dont get it
[13:44] <Tm_T> changeTheWorld: is there some purpose you're in this channel?
[13:44] <changeTheWorld> trolling
[13:44] <changeTheWorld> your powerless to ban me
[13:45] <bazhang> you're
[13:45] <jpds> Actually, we did ban him.
[13:45] <LjL> shall i ban $r:...?
[13:47] <jpds> asdfasleilse was easy.
[13:48] <h00k> 61.173.*.* :(
[13:48] <LjL> yeah have that on highlight, but not too comfortable banning a range like that
[13:48] <h00k> Right.
[13:56] <bazhang> * [philIey] (~philiey@61.173.116.26): ... looks like it
[13:57] <ikonia> do it
[13:58] <bazhang> he did
[13:58] <ikonia> good
[15:46] <glda19> why removed
[15:47] <Pici> ikonia: ^
[15:47] <glda19> ?
[15:47] <Pici> glda19: Just a moment.
[15:48] <glda19> why removed form ubuntu
[15:48] <Pici> glda19: ikonia is the one that removed you, they should be here shortly.
[15:49] <glda19> i asked somthing and i stopt and ban
[15:54] <glda19> pici wher is ikonia
[15:55] <Pici> glda19: hold on please.
[15:56] <glda19> how long
[15:57] <ikonia> sorry
[15:57] <ikonia> I was just away
[15:57] <ikonia> glda19: do you remember having multiple conversations about beta products such as thunderbird 5 and lightning 1.4b not being available in the ubuntu repos because they where beta/not packaged ?
[15:58] <glda19> tb 5 is not beta
[15:58] <ikonia> and as such we didn't support them
[15:58] <ikonia> glda19: no, it's not beta at this time, but it's not packaged for ubuntu, so you're getting it from mozilla.org in a pre-compiled tar file
[15:58] <ikonia> but you remember those conversations over the last few days where I have explained this to you ?
[15:59] <glda19> no it's packaged for ubunutu
[15:59] <Pici> glda19: What repository are you getting it from then?
[16:00] <glda19> pici i don't now i have to down grade
[16:00] <ikonia> ?
[16:00] <ikonia> you must know what repo you're getting this software from,
[16:00] <glda19> i down grade
[16:01] <ikonia> thunderbird 5 would be an "upgrade"
[16:01] <ikonia> well, lets not focus too hard on this, either way they are not from official ubuntu repos
[16:01] <ikonia> and lightning 1.4b (beta) isn't certainly
[16:02] <ikonia> glda19: so you remember we've discussed a few times over the last few days that this software and the configuration you want isn't a supported or realisitic configuration in a lot of ways ?
[16:02] <glda19> ppa:mozillateam/thunderbird-stable
[16:02] <ikonia> for various reasons
[16:02] <ikonia> ok - so that wasn't where you got it from the first time we spoke, but even then, it's a PPA which is supported by the mozilla team, not really the ubuntu community
[16:02] <ikonia> (#ubuntu-mozillateam is the channel for that)
[16:03] <glda19> ikonia, on calendar an thunderbird on mozilla server no answer
[16:03] <ikonia> glda19: the reason you got removed and forwarded to this channel is despite being told many times over the last few days about the supportability of this software (lack of it) you keep asking for support/help with it
[16:03] <glda19> how lang removeds
[16:04] <glda19> how long
[16:04] <ikonia> glda19: I'll remove it now, if you can grasp that you need to stop asking for help with these products ?
[16:04] <ikonia> I've only forwarded you here as you didn't seem to be taking it when I was telling you in the channel
[16:05] <ikonia> glda19: do you understand what I'm saying ?
[16:05] <glda19> ikonia, i didn't now there was a ubuntu-molzilla channel
[16:05] <ikonia> that's fine, I'm telling you now, but do you understand what I'm saying about these products not being "stable" within the ubuntu product range and not supported ?
[16:05] <ikonia> more so in the unusual configuration you want
[16:06] <glda19> ?
[16:06] <ikonia> glda19: do you understand that the products you are asking for help yet are not officially packaged and supported in the ubuntu linux distribution, (yes/no)
[16:07] <ikonia> help "with" that should be
[16:07] <glda19> yes
[16:07] <ikonia> glda19: do you agree to stop asking for help with them in #ubuntu (yes/no)
[16:07] <glda19> yes
[16:08] <ikonia> ok - then I'll remove the ban forward from #ubuntu now, but please keep in mind you have now agreed to stop asking for help
[16:08] <ikonia> help with these products
[16:08] <ikonia> you're welcome to leave this channel and rejoin #ubuntu
[16:14] <ikonia> glda19: if you're happy the ban has been removed and you have no further problems, we request that you leave the channel so that other people can get help when they need it
[16:14] <glda19> yes
[16:14] <ikonia> thanks
[16:54] <ikonia> be alert, oly562 just signed in :)
[16:57] <ikonia> what ?
[16:57] <Pici> I'm asking
[16:57] <ikonia> just saw
[16:57] <ikonia> had a little chuckle
[16:58] <ikonia> looks like syrinx_ after his "I'm never going back there" rant
[17:01] <rww> never going back where?
[17:02] <ikonia> to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:07] <ikonia> rww: that's one of the saddest things after canonical made a big deal of sparc
[17:07] <ikonia> I'd forgot about that
[17:08] <rww> I've been hit by Ubuntu dropping support for some ARM versions. I'm glad our father distro is a little more compatible :)
[17:09] <ikonia> I thought arm was staying supported ?
[17:09] <ikonia> or coming back at least
[17:09] <ikonia> due to the "mobile" project
[17:10] <rww> some are and some aren't, I think. I haven't looked into it much, I just know my Sheevaplug doesn't work in >Jaunty.
[17:10] <ikonia> so silly that canonical made such a big deal of sparc....then dropped it inthe next release.
[17:13] <Tm_T> ikonia: ARM is supported, but only certain type of ARMs (:
[17:14] <Pici> !arm
[17:15] <ikonia> am I missing what ilangeeran is on about ?
[17:17] <rww> they don't make much sense to me either
[19:09] <Pici> Python: Hi, how can we help you today?
[19:10] <Python> Hi, I'm interested to in joining Ops. Is "create a Wiki page where you explain why you want to join and why you would be a good op" one of the requirements ?
[19:12] <Pici> Python: yes.
[19:13] <Python> Pici: okay, thank you and have a great day/evening
[19:51] <tsimpson> ^ having a wiki page is no longer a requirement
[19:51] <Pici> tsimpson: oops
[19:52] <h00k> I missed that
[19:53] <tsimpson> I blame topyli
[19:53] <tsimpson> :)
[19:53] <h00k> I blame jussi and triangles
[19:53] <Pici> agreed;
[20:10] <Myrtti> I thought channels needing ops was a requirement :-P
[20:11] <IdleOne> it is
[20:11] <IdleOne> applying for ops is now an "open" process
[20:16] <tsimpson> anyone can apply, but we don't approve anyone until after we call for ops
[20:17] <LjL> or at all, in some cases, hopefully
[20:21] <tsimpson> indeed simply applying for a position is no guarantee of acceptance
[21:09] <ikonia> so rather than telling someone they are not suitable and give realistic feedback, we let them go through an application process
[21:36] <tsimpson> ikonia: we provide feedback when we review candidates
[21:36] <ikonia> I know but......
[21:37] <ikonia> when's the next review ?
[21:38] <tsimpson> usually after a call for ops
[21:38] <ikonia> someone actually sending him a pm and suggesting why he may not be suitable at this time rather than dryly letting him waste time applying maybe a bit more realistic
[21:38] <ikonia> rather than letting his application just sit there
[21:38] <tsimpson> but we are moving to reviewing all pending applicants every 6 months
[21:38] <ikonia> 6 months....come on
[21:38] <ikonia> can we actually start applying common sense rather than blind processes
[21:39] <tsimpson> come on what? people can apply before we send a call out
[21:39] <ikonia> and it just sits there for 6 months......
[21:39] <ikonia> why not just say "we are not looking for ops at the moment" rather than waste someones time
[21:40] <tsimpson> there is plenty of information out there about what is required to become an op, if they feel they meet those requirements then they can apply
[21:40] <ikonia> sorry, this process stuff is just stupid in my view
[21:40] <tsimpson> I am well aware of your views
[21:40] <ikonia> rather than applying common sense we point people to processes
[21:41] <ikonia> good - well I'm voicing them again
[21:41] <ikonia> and I will continue to voice them
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Seems pretty intelligent to have some applications on hand at all times
[21:41] <ikonia> it doesn't to me
[21:42] <ikonia> it seems silly to have people sat in a box for 6 months
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Channel needs an op in a hurry, why hold the process up waiting for applications?
[21:42] <tsimpson> I really don't see why allowing people to express their interest in joining the ops team is such a bad thing tbh
[21:42] <ikonia> as the call to ops you'll have to go and validate those applications again
[21:42] <ikonia> tsimpson: it's not a bad thing - but it's also not a bad thing to say "we are not looking at the moment, follow the mail list and you'll see when we are"
[21:42] <ikonia> rather than making people do an application process
[21:42] <ikonia> or in python's case - say "not at this time and here's why"
[21:43] <ikonia> and I'm only using him as a current example
[21:44] <LjL> maybe it could be considered whether to adjust the process so that you can't become an op for some given period of time if you've been banned. make it easier for the troublemakers who want to apply.
[21:44] <LjL> such as me
[21:45] <ikonia> LjL: I'm all for an application process, just not process that goes against common sense
[21:45] <ikonia> or wastes peoples time
[22:14] <elky> LjL, that would be a good move I think
[22:22] <rww> I think the current system, where current ops can email IRCC about applicants, is fine. I check bantracker before I email and factor it into what I say. Works for me *shrug*
[22:23] <rww> ("fine" as in talking about whether to factor in bans to eligibility, not in general)
[23:43] <Juest> hey
[23:43] <Juest> :)
[23:44] <bazhang> Juest, hello
[23:49] <Juest> :)
[23:49] <Juest> here i am
[23:49] <Juest> late, sorry
[23:49] <Juest> but here i am
[23:55] <Juest> guys?
[23:57] <bazhang> Juest, yes? something you need assistance with?
[23:58] <Juest> well, i was told to come back because of a ban
[23:59] <bazhang> Juest, any idea why you were banned?
[23:59] <bazhang> Juest, any idea why you were banned?