| AlanBell | morning all | 06:23 |
|---|---|---|
| AlanBell | Azelphur: C10K would mean Circa 10 thousand | 06:23 |
| AlanBell | circa meaning "approximately" | 06:24 |
| DJones | Morning all | 07:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning | 07:03 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:33 |
| GaardenZwerch_ | join | 07:53 |
| === GaardenZwerch_ is now known as GaardenZwerch | ||
| AlanBell | hi GaardenZwerch | 07:59 |
| BigRedS | wow. that was a quiet night! | 08:02 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:04 |
| bigcalm | Morning peeps, good :) | 08:07 |
| === denny_ is now known as denny | ||
| * daubers is still tired :( | 08:25 | |
| * daubers still can't get onto g+ | 08:30 | |
| oimon | i'm sure in 2 years time, you'll be saying "daubers still can't delete his g+ profile" :) | 08:30 |
| daubers | oimon: :p | 08:30 |
| BigRedS | haha | 08:31 |
| oimon | i will probably join g+ but am even more wary of privacy with google than fb | 08:31 |
| oimon | fb play some nasty tricks but at least they leave the option for you to make some stuff private | 08:31 |
| daubers | Thought google+ does actually allow you to delete your profile, and the idea of circles was to make stuff private between groups? | 08:35 |
| MartijnVdS | yes | 08:37 |
| MartijnVdS | and other people can't see the names you give to your circles | 08:37 |
| MartijnVdS | (or who's in them, if you configure it like that) | 08:37 |
| * popey has a special nutballs circle | 08:37 | |
| oimon | for now. | 08:38 |
| oimon | i'd like to take a look at it though. seems to have got some people excited | 08:40 |
| popey | oimon: gimmie email address and I'll try to add you if you want | 08:44 |
| * BigRedS still hasn't managed to log into g+ since signing up to it... | 08:45 | |
| BigRedS | It keeps disliking the browser I point at it and I can't persuade the android app to log in | 08:45 |
| popey | heh | 08:45 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer just sees a 404 | 08:45 | |
| popey | happy to send invites to people | 08:45 |
| bigcalm | popey: ping :) | 08:46 |
| popey | just added you | 08:46 |
| popey | done TheOpenSourcerer | 08:47 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ty popey | 08:47 |
| popey | dunno if you'll get it, they seem to turn the tap on and off | 08:47 |
| * bigcalm stares at gmail for the day | 08:47 | |
| diplo | None of mine have gone through popey :( | 08:48 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I got a link from AlanBell but I'm still getting the "Already invited? We've temporarily exceeded our capacity. Please try again soon." page :-( | 08:52 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:53 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | morning czajkowski | 08:54 |
| czajkowski | yawns | 08:54 |
| czajkowski | so it is | 08:54 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:04 |
| bigcalm | Gah, that was wird | 09:14 |
| bigcalm | weird | 09:14 |
| bigcalm | At 51:10 in the latest uupc there is a chirp or something | 09:15 |
| popey | is there? | 09:15 |
| * popey listens | 09:15 | |
| bigcalm | I thought it was a notification sound on my machine until I rewound to hear it again | 09:15 |
| wintellect | popey's iphone perhaps? :P | 09:15 |
| bigcalm | I was looking though all of my open apps for something that wanted my attention | 09:16 |
| bigcalm | It's fairly clear, so it's a notification within the phone recording software I'd say | 09:16 |
| popey | during the interview? | 09:17 |
| popey | yeah, thats not us | 09:17 |
| popey | Les recorded it | 09:18 |
| popey | wintellect: so no, not my iphone | 09:18 |
| Laney | have we heard the cat in the background lately? | 09:18 |
| popey | yes | 09:19 |
| popey | mine was being annoying in ep 9 | 09:19 |
| popey | you can hear it eating from a metal tin | 09:19 |
| popey | s/tin/bowl | 09:20 |
| Laney | yay | 09:20 |
| popey | http://audioboo.fm/boos/397479-lunchtime sounds very much like that | 09:20 |
| Laney | ok I just listened to 35 seconds of a cat eating | 09:22 |
| Laney | this is what the internet was made for | 09:22 |
| bigcalm | I follow popey's cat | 09:22 |
| popey | :D | 09:23 |
| bigcalm | You should too | 09:23 |
| popey | http://twitter.com/salempope | 09:23 |
| bigcalm | Ooo, think the coffee is ready | 09:23 |
| * bigcalm goes to get wired | 09:23 | |
| bigcalm | Poor em | 09:30 |
| jpds | Laney: You listened to someone eating a cat? | 09:31 |
| bigcalm | There's a man eating fish in the river! | 09:32 |
| bigcalm | Can be taken both ways | 09:32 |
| popey | oh, cat has just tweeted again! | 09:32 |
| popey | http://audioboo.fm/boos/406536 | 09:32 |
| Myrtti | http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=83109&c=5 | 09:40 |
| Myrtti | "Dear customer service. Could you please draw a picture of a monkey riding a giraffe on the first page of the Harry Potter Book I ordered" | 09:40 |
| Myrtti | "Sorry but unfortunately we cannot draw anything on the insides of the books. However, I send you attached a picture of a monkey riding a giraffe, hopefully you can print it out and glue it on the book yourself. I'm apologize that my skills of drawing aren't better. BR, [unwithclosed]" | 09:40 |
| bigcalm | What's with all of the drawing requests on things that shouldn't have them these days? | 09:41 |
| bigcalm | The wonder and joy that is a cat's purr | 09:45 |
| AlanBell | Myrtti: http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html | 09:48 |
| bigcalm | Oh, so I'm getting hourly disconnections again today eh? | 09:51 |
| daubers | Hmm... AlanBell added me to Huddle, but apparently that doesn't count as a g+ invite | 09:55 |
| gord | g+ invites aren't going out until they open up again | 09:55 |
| daubers | rubbish | 09:56 |
| * daubers blames teh googleh | 09:56 | |
| shauno | makes sense to me. it's not like google are used to scaling apps to this size. I imagine they're on the phone to their dell agent right now ;) | 09:57 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:03 |
| MattJ | shauno: :) | 10:04 |
| daubers | need moar servers | 10:04 |
| directhex | "hi, dell? yah, i need a second poweredge please. no no, the 4u one is fine, we've got an entire rack ready for these things" | 10:08 |
| hoover | hi all | 10:09 |
| bigcalm | Hi hoovie | 10:10 |
| hoover | hey biggie | 10:10 |
| shauno | bigcalm_: I'd egg mr branson if I were you. that's some pretty foul nets | 10:53 |
| daubers | I often wonder if google do these limited rollouts, less to manage capacity and more to make the thing seem more desirable | 10:54 |
| shauno | I gather they do it a lot more than people notice | 10:55 |
| shauno | anywhere they make changes, they roll out to a % at a time. it's just barely noticable until it creates "haves and have-nots" divides | 10:55 |
| directhex | daubers, cartmanland! | 11:03 |
| bigcalm_ | shauno: it was happening last week. Disconnect every hour at the same time | 11:05 |
| bigcalm_ | Today it's been 49 mins past the hour since 9am | 11:05 |
| === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm | ||
| * brobostigon tries linux-image-3* from debian experimental, to see if gpu lockup fixed. | 11:12 | |
| brobostigon | rc5. | 11:13 |
| daubers | directhex: Exactley | 11:16 |
| X3N | mm this Samsung 900X3A is really nice | 11:28 |
| brobostigon | no breakage, phew, :) | 11:29 |
| X3N | first samsung laptop in the last 4 years that's really felt good quality | 11:29 |
| oimon | just spent another rubbish 1/2 day trying to fix a windows server that won't boot | 11:36 |
| * BigRedS notes that he's spent the last hour debugging broken smtp auth with the wrong password :( | 11:37 | |
| directhex | BigRedS, nice | 11:37 |
| directhex | BigRedS, i like debugging sql-based auth when pg_hba.conf keeps getting overwritten with a version that denies my host | 11:37 |
| BigRedS | hah, yeah. I was just wondering why it was so sure it was the wrong password... | 11:38 |
| BigRedS | haha | 11:38 |
| imexil | hi listening to the newest podcasts I would be very interested to learn a bit more about the Wine/Unity launcher set up. Any links available? | 11:56 |
| popey | a good question! | 11:57 |
| popey | http://askubuntu.com/questions/39394/change-icon-of-wine-application-in-unity-launcher | 11:57 |
| imexil | I had exactly the same problem when converting another newbie to Ubuntu and he wanted to have his Picasa | 11:58 |
| imexil | thanks popey | 11:58 |
| imexil | maybe put this link also in the show notes? | 11:59 |
| popey | once you tell me it works, I will :D | 11:59 |
| imexil | right | 12:00 |
| hoover | Damn, my mob trap in minecraft still won't work | 12:09 |
| hoover | oops wrong channel ;-) | 12:09 |
| hoover | sorry | 12:09 |
| * bigcalm points hoover at #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :) | 12:10 | |
| popey | :D | 12:12 |
| daubers | hoover: I annoyed someone on the work minecraft server because I changed the lever on their front door so that it used a piston to slide the block their standing on away and drop them down a pit......... | 12:12 |
| daubers | But they should have dug up bits of my railway | 12:12 |
| daubers | s/should/shouldn't/ | 12:12 |
| AlanBell | "work minecraft server" | 12:12 |
| bigcalm | Nice :D | 12:12 |
| daubers | AlanBell: Indeed | 12:12 |
| daubers | AlanBell: What the boss asks for he gets | 12:12 |
| AlanBell | the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one | 12:13 |
| === nick is now known as Guest84459 | ||
| matti | AlanBell: :) | 12:23 |
| dwatkins | AlanBell: my brother wrote a mapping application for Minecraft as part of learning python at work, the lucky thing | 12:30 |
| daubers | AlanBell: The ports blocked at all work times except lunch and when I'm stuck on a really crappy support call | 12:32 |
| hoover | that's mean daubers | 12:33 |
| popey | My very first work experience job had Rogue running on their mainframe. it was only accessible for 2 hours at lunchtime | 12:34 |
| popey | the mainframe went insane for those two hours of the day | 12:34 |
| daubers | heh | 12:34 |
| popey | <- old | 12:34 |
| popey | this was in 1988 to be fair | 12:35 |
| oimon | i was watching top gear last night and realised that comedian ross noble is a cross between popey and jono bacon | 12:35 |
| daubers | My first work experience job was for the Inland Revenue | 12:35 |
| imexil | popey: It does normallz help when the show notes followe the chrononical order of the podcast | 12:41 |
| imexil | and it helps switching why keyboard properly ;) | 12:41 |
| imexil | I was honestly confused hearing the command line love coming up and thinking "hang on did I fall asleep and missed the interviews" | 12:42 |
| popey | meh ☺ | 12:42 |
| popey | they are rarely in order | 12:42 |
| imexil | Sorry I'm spoiled by #linuxoutlaws apparently :-D | 12:43 |
| * oimon remembers to download the uupc | 12:45 | |
| popey | meow | 12:45 |
| hoover | popey: Installing an RPG on Solaris got me my first admin job in 89 | 12:51 |
| hoover | the admins took note and immediately hired me ;-) | 12:52 |
| popey | heh | 12:52 |
| hoover | Can't even remember the name now, it was something nethack like... | 12:52 |
| hoover | ah, Omega, that's the one. Terribly buggy, too | 12:52 |
| hoover | Two weeks later, I was soldering serial cables and splicing RG58(?) connectors. | 12:53 |
| * hoover feels old now | 12:53 | |
| bigcalm | Oh, BNC | 12:56 |
| hoover | yep, that's the name... 10 Mbit / sec shared for an entire department | 12:58 |
| daubers | hoover: Puts into perspective the big bundles of fibre that arrived for the new office we're moving into next door. 10GbE to each station in the R&D room | 13:03 |
| hoover | daubers: we thought back then 10mbit would last us forever ;-D | 13:05 |
| daubers | hoover: In some applications we've worked in, 10GbE hasn't been good enough :( | 13:05 |
| * hoover thinks daubers works in the pr0n industry... | 13:05 | |
| shauno | now 10mbit feels like it's *taking* forever | 13:06 |
| daubers | hoover: Funnily enough, that's the one branch of the video industry we've not sold kit into.... | 13:06 |
| hoover | lol | 13:06 |
| hoover | daubers: My guess was close then ;-) | 13:07 |
| daubers | hoover: :p | 13:07 |
| hoover | Yeah well, the 'net is bound to eat us alive some day | 13:08 |
| penguin42 | it already has | 13:29 |
| hoover | right cheers all, laters | 13:32 |
| oimon | having a terrible time with some missing microsoft terminal server licences :( | 13:33 |
| oimon | server died and can't find the paper licence with the CALs on | 13:34 |
| davmor2 | oimon: use the linux oimon it has a terminal server thrown in for free ;) | 13:34 |
| oimon | this is to run a windows app :( | 13:35 |
| davmor2 | oimon: I'm teasing dude :) | 13:35 |
| oimon | :'( | 13:36 |
| oimon | nothing sucks like a broken windows machine | 13:36 |
| davmor2 | oimon: I'm pretty sure a dyson would give it a run for it's money :D | 13:39 |
| stetho | How do I set an environment variable so it's persistent and available for all users? Specifically I want to set SNMPCONFPATH for all users of a machine but putting this in /etc/environment doesn't seem to work. | 13:54 |
| MartijnVdS | stetho: check /etc/environment | 13:56 |
| MartijnVdS | stetho: that's read by pam_environment at login | 13:56 |
| bigcalm | stetho: after editing /etc/environment don't forget to logout and back in to see changes take effect | 13:57 |
| stetho | Done that - even tried restarting | 13:57 |
| bigcalm | Works for me :| | 13:59 |
| bigcalm | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/639495/ | 14:00 |
| stetho | Definitely not working on this system. Something odd going on. | 14:06 |
| bigcalm | stetho: do you have another system you can try it out on? | 14:15 |
| shauno | while I realise this is entirely off-topic, boy does powerpoint make me nerdrage :/ | 14:55 |
| shauno | as far as I can tell, there's no way to tell it to use the same language for an entire document. Every single element is spellchecked in the locale that it's author was using | 14:58 |
| davmor2 | MOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! | 15:14 |
| oimon | the problem with fruit, is that you can't tell if it is going to taste disgusting before you buy. got a bag of oranges that are all minging | 15:18 |
| pixel8in | I am running Ubuntu 10.10 and would like to upgrade to 11.04. My ADSL connection is rather slow for the update, could I update from the Installer CD? | 15:48 |
| AlanBell | pixel8in: you can from the alternate CD | 15:53 |
| dogmatic69 | pixel8in: live CD should do it | 15:53 |
| * AlanBell doesn't think the live CD contains packages | 15:53 | |
| AlanBell | you can do an over the top install without nuking /home | 15:54 |
| dogmatic69 | "Since Ubuntu 11.04 Natty, Ubuntu Live-CD supports upgrading from the previous Ubuntu installation" | 15:54 |
| * dogmatic69 read that on some blog | 15:54 | |
| dogmatic69 | "Download the Ubuntu 11.04 iso and create a Live-CD or Live-USB, then boot from the device, if you have a Ubuntu installed on machine there’s an upgrade option in the installation guide." | 15:54 |
| AlanBell | I think that is the "over the top but don't nuke /home" option | 15:55 |
| AlanBell | which is probably much the same as doing a package based upgrade | 15:56 |
| popey | it does more than that AlanBell | 15:57 |
| popey | it also upgrades existing packages | 15:57 |
| pixel8in | @dogmatic69: OK, what I have done is download 11.04 iso and have created a CD. Is this what you call "Live-CD"? If so, must I shut down and reboot from the CD? Excuse all the questions, I am still very green. | 16:02 |
| dogmatic69 | ye, try reboot with the cd in. it should give you an update option. | 16:02 |
| dogmatic69 | backup first ;) | 16:03 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Stuart Langridge] LugRadio: temporarily back in the habit - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/07/07/lugradio-temporarily-back-in-the-habit | 16:08 |
| MartijnVdS | *\o/* | 16:08 |
| pixel8in | @dogmatic69: Thanks, Please explain what you meant by - don't nuke /home" option ? | 16:10 |
| dogmatic69 | i did not say that | 16:10 |
| pixel8in | My apology, AlanBell said that. Could you please explain. | 16:12 |
| pixel8in | @AlanBell: Sorry, I posed my question to the wrong person. Please explain what you meant by - don't nuke /home" option ? | 16:17 |
| AlanBell | hi pixel8in, so you have downloaded a live CD, the alternate cd is a little harder to find, but it sounds like the one you have is just fine | 16:18 |
| AlanBell | Ubuntu stores files in a particular file structure, all the personal stuff is under /home so my home directory with all my stuff is at /home/alan | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | the upgrade option in the install does not reformat the disk, it leaves /home alone and upgrades the other stuff around it, which sounds like exactly what you are after | 16:20 |
| pixel8in | @AlanBell @dogmatic69 and everyone that has responded, thank you for the advice. Sure I can manage now. Thanks again. | 16:24 |
| dogmatic69 | np | 16:25 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] LugRadio Reunion 2011 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/07/lugradio-reunion-2011/ | 17:08 |
| daubers | lo | 17:20 |
| MartijnVdS | \o daubers | 17:20 |
| * daubers is not terribly awake | 17:21 | |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: have you tried a bucket of cold water? | 17:21 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: Considered a cold shower..... | 17:21 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I suspect it's just the calm after a busy day making me doze | 17:21 |
| daubers | Need to do some android stuff for work tonight | 17:23 |
| MartijnVdS | "tonight" + "work" don't mix :) | 17:23 |
| daubers | Heh, only way I could convince the office that we shouldn't build stuff for iPhones | 17:24 |
| daubers | That and objective c is pretty nasty | 17:27 |
| MartijnVdS | it's very lock-in, but if you know it it's not that bad | 17:27 |
| MartijnVdS | but yeah, android > ios | 17:27 |
| daubers | I kinda understand objective c, but working in xcode hurts | 17:29 |
| daubers | All the "Have to drag attach a button to code" is really slow | 17:29 |
| === hcfd_ is now known as hcfd | ||
| daubers | !echo | 18:11 |
| popey | !ping | 18:11 |
| lubotu3 | Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to respond to factoid requests. Call that job satisfaction? Because I don't. | 18:11 |
| MartijnVdS | !beep | 18:12 |
| daubers | lubotu3's job is easy :( | 18:17 |
| === bigcalm_lappy486 is now known as bigcalm | ||
| daubers | Weeeeeeeeeeee | 19:22 |
| daubers | OU Course paid for | 19:22 |
| bigcalm | Oh this is irritating. Why does Eclipse not show scrollbars with the default desktop theme? | 19:26 |
| bigcalm | daubers: good luck | 19:26 |
| daubers | bigcalm: THe overlay thing doesn't work well in eclipse :( | 19:26 |
| daubers | bigcalm: You can disable it for that app by modifying the the .desktop files | 19:26 |
| daubers | bigcalm: Also... thanks :) | 19:27 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 19:27 |
| daubers | bigcalm: /usr/share/applications/eclipse.desktop <-- That file | 19:27 |
| bigcalm | Ta | 19:27 |
| daubers | Change the exec line to read Exec=env LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 eclipse | 19:27 |
| * daubers has done this on 4 machines so far | 19:28 | |
| daubers | apparently it is blacklisted, but the blacklisting doesn't work for some reason | 19:28 |
| daubers | Something to do with symbolic links, it's been marked "won't fix" :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/eclipse-ubuntu/+bug/769277 | 19:29 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 769277 in Eclipse for Ubuntu "Eclipse shows overlay scrollbar but when i hover there is no scroll handles" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:29 |
| bigcalm | The wrotters! | 19:30 |
| bigcalm | -w | 19:30 |
| bigcalm | Humm. I added it, restarted Eclipse but no change | 19:30 |
| bigcalm | Ah, there we go | 19:31 |
| daubers | \o/ | 19:31 |
| * bigcalm slaps something about a little | 19:31 | |
| bigcalm | Handy you were in here while I was moaning about it ;) | 19:31 |
| daubers | heh :) Using eclipse everyday means it annoyed me very quickly | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | vim + ctags \o/ | 19:38 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: The android debugger in eclipse is the awesomeness | 19:38 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: Eclipse feels to slow for me, can't get used to it | 19:40 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I used to think that until I got a decent laptop with oodles of RAM | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | also.. I get confused (do I need to create a file? a class? a package? half a tree?) | 19:40 |
| bigcalm | Eclipse is horrible on Windows. Works much better under Linux | 19:40 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: Huh? I just manage things like that myself | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: I have 8G and if it's my Intel graphics, I think it might have other problems | 19:41 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: also, eclipse drops .project files everywhere | 19:41 |
| MartijnVdS | and it doesn't handle trailing whitespace at all | 19:41 |
| daubers | Heh :) Works fine on my 4G | 19:41 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I think that last bit depends on which plugin you're using (i.e. cdt, pydev or whatnot) | 19:42 |
| daubers | I used to do the vim thing, but got far too used to the nice things eclipse can do for you | 19:42 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: Have you used ctags properly? :) | 19:43 |
| MartijnVdS | (also, I write Perl, and Eclipse's Perl support is a bit horrible) | 19:43 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: It's not just syntax highlight, things like fixing my includes in ADT with a single mouse click is loverly | 19:43 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: Should be possible to write a vim plugin for that.. also -- omni-completion | 19:44 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: But I don't need to! Eclipse does it already | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: I don't need to do it, so I don't miss the feature :) | 19:45 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: Being able to read the docstring for the function I'm using by hovering over it is also very nice | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: omnicompletion can do that :) | 19:45 |
| daubers | :) | 19:46 |
| daubers | Also, the GUI designer thing for android works nice in eclipse (though you could edit the raw xml yourself) | 19:47 |
| * AlanBell needs to set up eclipse for android stuff | 19:47 | |
| MartijnVdS | I never found that feature | 19:47 |
| daubers | being able to hide chunks of code when you're just figuring out how somethings put together is nice | 19:48 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: Which one? | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | the GUI designer | 19:48 |
| daubers | AlanBell: If you want to run stuff on your phone with the debugger, you need to do some udev magic | 19:48 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I had that set up before to do tethering | 19:48 |
| AlanBell | now tethering is there by default | 19:49 |
| * daubers uploads a screeny | 19:49 | |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: http://www.daubers.co.uk/~matt/android1.png | 19:51 |
| MartijnVdS | that's like glade | 19:51 |
| daubers | excuse the manky in design gui | 19:51 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I suspect it's based on glade | 19:52 |
| * daubers needs to throw together a small django app to get some stuff from a db and into json for that thing | 19:53 | |
| bigcalm | Looks like glade | 19:53 |
| bigcalm | Glade was much fun :) | 19:54 |
| daubers | AlanBell: Android is slightly annoying to code for, bit less so than Web OS, a lot less so than iPhones | 19:56 |
| daubers | but DDMS really is fantastic | 19:56 |
| AlanBell | I need to make an app that lets the user record 3 minutes of audio and upload it | 19:57 |
| daubers | ....... for what? | 19:57 |
| daubers | AlanBell: Best to start here for that http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/index.html#capture :) | 19:58 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: .. to upload hacked voicemails? | 20:02 |
| AlanBell | sheesh, no! | 20:03 |
| AlanBell | for uploading bedtime stories read out to sweet little offspring | 20:03 |
| popey | ah funny you should say that | 20:04 |
| AlanBell | the plan is to reinvent and relaunch http://astoryforbedtime.com/ | 20:04 |
| popey | I have been playing with recording stories as i read them to the kids | 20:04 |
| AlanBell | and this time maybe make some money | 20:04 |
| matti | ' | 20:04 |
| matti | ;] | 20:04 |
| popey | I have been using audioboo on my phone as I actually read to the kids | 20:04 |
| AlanBell | yeah, something like that | 20:04 |
| popey | i do think the name "kiddiecast" needs rethinking | 20:05 |
| popey | how does the copyright work? | 20:05 |
| AlanBell | happy to rethink | 20:06 |
| AlanBell | copyright works by negotiation with the publishers | 20:06 |
| AlanBell | generally they say yes | 20:06 |
| popey | ah | 20:06 |
| AlanBell | childrens book publishers think differently | 20:06 |
| AlanBell | they know the value is in the pictures and the paper | 20:06 |
| popey | site is a bit broken too ☺ | 20:07 |
| AlanBell | probably | 20:07 |
| AlanBell | joomla 1.x | 20:07 |
| popey | ah | 20:07 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | rather old... | 20:07 |
| popey | I'd contribute | 20:07 |
| AlanBell | anything specifically broken? looks OK to me | 20:07 |
| popey | yes | 20:08 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It will be moving home soon so probably a good time for a refresh | 20:08 |
| popey | http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_remository&func=fileinfo&id=48 | 20:08 |
| popey | click "play now" | 20:08 |
| popey | i get a popup with "missing plug-in" | 20:08 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Works for me | 20:08 |
| * AlanBell listens to missa | 20:08 | |
| popey | chrome on ubuntu 11.04 | 20:09 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Melissa had a cold I think. | 20:09 |
| popey | have you got manky js in there to prevent "view source"? | 20:09 |
| AlanBell | yeah, broken in chromium | 20:09 |
| AlanBell | no manky js | 20:10 |
| AlanBell | view source is broken in chromium though | 20:10 |
| AlanBell | believe it or not this was not extensively tested in chromium in 2007 | 20:11 |
| popey | hah | 20:12 |
| popey | not | 20:12 |
| popey | :D | 20:12 |
| popey | do you only want people reading books to the mic? | 20:13 |
| popey | i mean, I was going to read to my kids and include any stupid comments they make :D | 20:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | popey: That was the idea - capture the fun, giggles etc... | 20:14 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | make others think - that sounds fun! I will have to click here and buy that book for my kids. | 20:15 |
| AlanBell | yup, absolutely not a professional audio book read by $celeb of the week | 20:16 |
| popey | ah, excellent | 20:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | although that would be a good idea too | 20:16 |
| popey | I'll do some of that | 20:16 |
| AlanBell | yeah, but that is a different copyright conversation | 20:16 |
| popey | oh | 20:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yes. Julian Clary reading "wind in the willows" would be interesting | 20:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I could go and see if Damon Hill would like to read Rory the Racing Car. He only lives down the road. | 20:18 |
| AlanBell | celebrites could do recordings, but on the same basis as everyone else really | 20:19 |
| popey | so, if I read some book to my kids, I record it, send it to you.. then what? | 20:20 |
| AlanBell | then I put them on the site for everyone to share | 20:20 |
| AlanBell | and you can download a bunch, burn to CD let the kids play them whenever | 20:20 |
| AlanBell | and there is a vote system | 20:21 |
| AlanBell | http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_graphitory&Itemid=28 | 20:21 |
| shauno | so librivox with a narrower audience? | 20:22 |
| AlanBell | kind of | 20:22 |
| AlanBell | but not public domain books | 20:22 |
| AlanBell | current picture books | 20:22 |
| * popey wonders if he can extract his audio from audioboo | 20:24 | |
| popey | http://forum.audioboo.fm/discussions/questions/15-download-a-boo | 20:24 |
| popey | win | 20:24 |
| popey | http://audioboo.fm/boos/406536-so-sleepy.mp3 | 20:25 |
| === webpigeon is now known as Guest44249 | ||
| popey | ok, will do one tomorrow night then | 20:26 |
| === Guest44249 is now known as webpigeon_web | ||
| AlanBell | popey: loads of info herehttp://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=7&Itemid=25 | 20:31 |
| AlanBell | popey: loads of info here http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=7&Itemid=25 | 20:31 |
| popey | how does the revenue share work? | 20:32 |
| AlanBell | "share"?!? | 20:32 |
| popey | Oh | 20:32 |
| popey | Oh dear. | 20:32 |
| AlanBell | that would be an interesting feature to think about adding | 20:32 |
| AlanBell | total site revenue to date < £10 | 20:33 |
| popey | :D | 20:34 |
| AlanBell | it was just creeping up to £10 when Amazon put the minimum payout threshold up to £50 | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | so collected revenue is zero | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | however I think the concept is sound | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | at the time there was a completely different technology and marketing environment | 20:36 |
| AlanBell | we need to massively lower the barrier to recording audio | 20:36 |
| AlanBell | so "install audacity, go on it is free and easy" is far far too hard for people to do | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | audacity suuuuuucks | 20:37 |
| AlanBell | it is a bit overcomplicated but it works | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | except when it crashes for no reason | 20:38 |
| AlanBell | windows sound recorder sucks | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | with no backtrace and no error message | 20:38 |
| AlanBell | anyhow, it was too hard | 20:38 |
| AlanBell | plus the marketing needs to be done properly and actually get to parents, I tried, but failed | 20:39 |
| AlanBell | stuff like mumsnet now exists | 20:39 |
| ali1234 | so wait | 20:39 |
| ali1234 | how is it legal for you to do this? | 20:39 |
| AlanBell | because I got permission from the rights holders | 20:39 |
| AlanBell | and convinced them it wasn't audio books | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | but... it clearly is audio books | 20:40 |
| AlanBell | some of them sent me free books to record | 20:40 |
| AlanBell | nope, it isn't | 20:40 |
| AlanBell | it isn't professional recordings with a paid artist | 20:40 |
| AlanBell | they are not being distributed for money | 20:40 |
| AlanBell | I convinced them they should let me do it for free to promote their book sales | 20:41 |
| AlanBell | and I would get a standard affiliate link cut | 20:41 |
| AlanBell | actually it was early 2006 that we put this together | 20:43 |
| AlanBell | daubers: so, install eclipse from the repos? | 21:02 |
| daubers | AlanBell: yup | 21:06 |
| daubers | AlanBell:: You need to download the tools from developer.android.com and there's an eclipse plugin too | 21:08 |
| AlanBell | yeah | 21:09 |
| daubers | 'tis quite easy | 21:09 |
| bigcalm | How do you order things in top by memory usage? | 21:11 |
| * daubers heads to bed | 21:12 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | bigcalm type "m" | 21:14 |
| popey | I think you mean M | 21:15 |
| bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: that just hides the memory line | 21:15 |
| bigcalm | popey: ta | 21:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | popey: as always is right :-) | 21:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | "M" | 21:15 |
| popey | _always_ | 21:15 |
| popey | wow | 21:15 |
| popey | :D | 21:15 |
| bigcalm | Oh, what a surprise: Java -> FireFox -> Gimp -> npviewer -> Xorg | 21:16 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if popey is __EVER__ wronog | 21:16 | |
| popey | I think you mean "wrong" | 21:16 |
| popey | no. | 21:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 21:16 |
| bigcalm | LOL | 21:16 |
| popey | :D | 21:16 |
| popey | [======>..............] resync = 33.8% (1321855488/3907023872) finish=729.6min speed=59050K/sec | 21:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I quite like the look of wronog | 21:16 |
| popey | come _on_ | 21:16 |
| bigcalm | And how do you show memory in MB instead of KB? | 21:17 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer has moved our CRM to a new server and will now go and prepare for a day's golf tomorrow. ZZzzzzz... | 21:17 | |
| popey | i dont think you can bigcalm | 21:19 |
| bigcalm | Never mind then :) | 21:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | might be able to in htop | 21:19 |
| bigcalm | 4gb in this laptop, 346mb free. Do I see if I can use 8gb instead? | 21:20 |
| popey | dstat is quite nice | 21:20 |
| popey | bigcalm: what does free -m say ? | 21:20 |
| popey | or free -g :D | 21:20 |
| popey | -/+ buffers/cache: 2 5 | 21:20 |
| bigcalm | Ah, yes | 21:20 |
| bigcalm | http://paste.ubuntu.com/639743/ | 21:21 |
| xapel | I have some photos in Shotwell with the wrong timestamp. I have changed the timestamp, but the photos is still in the wrong physical folder on the disk. Is there a way of moving it to the right folders? | 21:22 |
| popey | you have lots free | 21:22 |
| popey | 1.6GB | 21:22 |
| bigcalm | Oh, in that case, yay | 21:22 |
| popey | the rest is disk cache | 21:22 |
| bigcalm | Yeah, I don't want to dip into swap | 21:23 |
| bigcalm | I wonder if I can change the CPU in this laptop | 21:23 |
| popey | unlikely | 21:23 |
| popey | what laptop? | 21:23 |
| bigcalm | That's what I thought | 21:23 |
| bigcalm | Dell Studio 1558 | 21:23 |
| popey | nah | 21:24 |
| bigcalm | I was a cheap bugger and ordered an i3 | 21:24 |
| bigcalm | Should have got the i5 | 21:24 |
| popey | what you doing thats slow? | 21:24 |
| popey | eclipse? :D | 21:24 |
| bigcalm | Na, it's quick enough (quicker than if I'm using it on Windows on my beefy workstation) | 21:26 |
| bigcalm | The boot time on this laptop is a bit pants though | 21:26 |
| popey | i just ordered two more SSDs | 21:26 |
| popey | I ♥ SSD | 21:26 |
| popey | gonna play with 11.10 | 21:26 |
| bigcalm | Blimey, made of monies :P | 21:26 |
| popey | hqh | 21:27 |
| popey | er | 21:27 |
| popey | hah | 21:27 |
| popey | only small ones | 21:27 |
| popey | Ubuntu doesn't need much luckily :D | 21:27 |
| bigcalm | Would be nice to move over the SSDs on all of my machines. Except that Steam likes a lot of space | 21:27 |
| popey | i have steam on one :D | 21:28 |
| popey | well, windows 7 and steam | 21:28 |
| popey | no other apps though | 21:28 |
| popey | well, chrome and putty :D | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | I am using an SD card as an SSD | 21:28 |
| popey | Feel the speed! | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | hear the silence | 21:28 |
| * StevenR installs 300MB of updates for his father (maverick -> natty upgrade on saturday) | 21:29 | |
| gord | lower power consumption with an ssd too :) | 21:31 |
| gord | though the sd i am using in my netbook is unbarably slow, if anything swaps, it kills it | 21:31 |
| WelshDragon | Is there a way to prevent linux trying to access specific blocks of memory? | 21:42 |
| Ricey | evening all :) | 21:42 |
| popey | why? | 21:42 |
| WelshDragon | popey, slightly faulty stick. Would be an interim solution before replacing it. A friend of mine told me it used to be possible of older operating systems. No idea about linux though. | 21:43 |
| WelshDragon | on* | 21:43 |
| popey | I have never heard of any OS being able to prevent access like that | 21:44 |
| bigcalm | On a physical drive you can mark bad blocks | 21:45 |
| bigcalm | But I don't know how | 21:45 |
| bigcalm | Or if it's possible on memory | 21:45 |
| WelshDragon | okies, ta anyway | 21:46 |
| Ricey | i hate doing this.... :( | 21:46 |
| Ricey | taking linux off a computer | 21:47 |
| webpigeon_web | don't oses do that dm | 21:48 |
| webpigeon_web | for kernel memory? | 21:49 |
| webpigeon_web | (mark it as not accessable for user programs) | 21:51 |
| popey | Ricey: ☹ | 21:51 |
| Ricey | i've just had a sign from above though ;) | 21:53 |
| Ricey | popped in the xp disk and it can't see the hard drive! :D | 21:53 |
| popey | Someday I'm going to replace OSX on the iMac in the kitchen with Ubuntu | 21:53 |
| hamitron | saw it through the window? ;/ | 21:53 |
| popey | but not yet | 21:53 |
| * hamitron is installing Ubuntu 10.04 | 21:54 | |
| popey | I'm installing 11.10 tomorrow :D | 21:54 |
| hamitron | even after all my rants and moans :)) | 21:54 |
| WelshDragon | Grub apparantly has a badram command :) | 21:54 |
| popey | nice | 21:54 |
| popey | thats a new one on me | 21:54 |
| Ricey | indeed | 21:55 |
| Ricey | so why wouldn't an xp install disk see the hdd when a livecd can? | 21:55 |
| hamitron | no drivers for the controller? | 21:55 |
| Ricey | thats what i first thought, but it's only a netbook | 21:55 |
| hamitron | is it a special netbook? | 21:56 |
| Ricey | and no way of changing it in the bios either | 21:56 |
| Ricey | compaq 311c | 21:56 |
| Ricey | so not reaqlly | 21:56 |
| Ricey | -q | 21:56 |
| hamitron | dunno, unless it is some weird chipset | 21:56 |
| Ricey | mebbe, the initial fault was a corrupted partition install | 21:57 |
| Ricey | that could've screwed it, but i've replaced the mbr | 21:57 |
| webpigeon_web | xp doesn't support sata out the box... | 21:57 |
| Ricey | it might be as simple as that | 21:57 |
| Ricey | didn't they put sata support in sp3 tho? | 21:58 |
| Ricey | anyhoo, i might just say man up and use ubuntu like a proper user should ;) | 21:58 |
| webpigeon_web | if your disk has sp3, but i've always had to burn my own + drivers | 21:59 |
| * hamitron presses F6 and uses a floppy disk | 21:59 | |
| Ricey | it's an sp3 install cd | 21:59 |
| Ricey | i should too, except i have no floppy drive! | 21:59 |
| webpigeon_web | you havr floppy disks?! | 21:59 |
| hamitron | I jsut confessed to using XP :-o | 21:59 |
| hamitron | :( | 22:00 |
| Ricey | lol | 22:00 |
| Ricey | i'm worse, i've admitted to trying to install it ;) | 22:00 |
| webpigeon_web | hamitron: and having floppy disks... | 22:00 |
| hamitron | too right I have floppy disks | 22:00 |
| hamitron | I do have 2 comps without though | 22:00 |
| bigcalm | Do people still use reset stylesheets? | 22:02 |
| Ricey | good ole google, yup it needs the nvidia ion sata drivers to work | 22:02 |
| Ricey | nothing is easy with windows | 22:03 |
| hamitron | hmmm | 22:05 |
| hamitron | just realised how close it is to the next LTS release | 22:05 |
| hamitron | :/ | 22:05 |
| Ricey | less than a year! | 22:05 |
| hamitron | less than 2 years till 10.04 is dropped | 22:06 |
| Ricey | lol | 22:06 |
| Ricey | btw anyone tried this google plus thing yet? | 22:06 |
| hamitron | and as I can't upgrade to 12.04 :( | 22:07 |
| Ricey | why not? | 22:07 |
| hamitron | some of my cpu are too old | 22:07 |
| Ricey | ah | 22:07 |
| Ricey | lol @ bbc3 | 22:08 |
| Ricey | family guy | 22:08 |
| bigcalm | Old ep? | 22:08 |
| hamitron | not got bbc 3 either | 22:08 |
| hamitron | haha | 22:08 |
| Ricey | not seen this one | 22:08 |
| hamitron | less than a month till they turn off my tv signal too | 22:08 |
| hamitron | :/ | 22:08 |
| Ricey | stewie gone back in time to warsaw | 22:08 |
| Ricey | ours goes on 3 aug too | 22:09 |
| hamitron | I've had 2 digiboxes so far, and both have broken | 22:09 |
| Ricey | thankfully i'm fairly near the transmitter | 22:09 |
| hamitron | and neither got a decent signal | 22:09 |
| Ricey | not good, i need to get my freesat HD box running again | 22:10 |
| hamitron | we're on our 2nd aerial too | 22:10 |
| hamitron | haha | 22:10 |
| Ricey | need to put a dish up | 22:10 |
| hamitron | birds keep pulling these new ones to pieces | 22:10 |
| Ricey | lol | 22:10 |
| hamitron | :/ | 22:10 |
| Ricey | shotgun? | 22:10 |
| hamitron | don't tempt me | 22:11 |
| Ricey | 2 shotguns? | 22:11 |
| hamitron | but air riffle is better for birds | 22:11 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 22:11 |
| Ricey | too accurate, you need the scatter effect with birds | 22:11 |
| hamitron | that will take the aerial with them! | 22:11 |
| hamitron | :D | 22:11 |
| Ricey | if it's broken already... | 22:12 |
| hamitron | well, I'll see what happens with the tv signal first | 22:12 |
| hamitron | I'm 58 miles from my transmitter | 22:12 |
| hamitron | and in a valley | 22:12 |
| Ricey | they should up the power | 22:13 |
| hamitron | yeh | 22:13 |
| Ricey | they've shortened ours too | 22:13 |
| hamitron | but not gonna trust their word | 22:13 |
| Ricey | no longer the highest in europe | 22:13 |
| hamitron | see how it goes | 22:13 |
| hamitron | ;) | 22:13 |
| Ricey | indeed | 22:13 |
| hamitron | we have 2 aerials on the house | 22:13 |
| Ricey | need to get ours out of the loft | 22:14 |
| hamitron | so no need to spend money on another for testing | 22:14 |
| hamitron | hmmmm | 22:14 |
| hamitron | !nvidia | 22:15 |
| lubotu3 | For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto | 22:15 |
| hamitron | I swear the nvidia binary driver is slower than the free one | 22:15 |
| hamitron | :/ | 22:15 |
| Ricey | lol | 22:15 |
| Ricey | probably, which card do you have? | 22:15 |
| Ricey | lol @ family guy again | 22:16 |
| hamitron | 16Mb Geforce 2 | 22:16 |
| Ricey | an older one, have you got the right binary blob? | 22:17 |
| hamitron | 96 driver | 22:17 |
| Ricey | aye | 22:17 |
| hamitron | omfg | 22:17 |
| Ricey | ? | 22:17 |
| hamitron | the 3d effects are enabled by default? :-o | 22:17 |
| hamitron | all ok now | 22:18 |
| hamitron | :D | 22:18 |
| Ricey | :D | 22:18 |
| hamitron | was so slow, didn't recognise the effects | 22:18 |
| hamitron | haha | 22:18 |
| Ricey | lol | 22:18 |
| Ricey | right time for sleeps, that 4 letter dirty word tomorrow..... | 22:21 |
| Ricey | work :( | 22:21 |
| * hamitron is on holiday | 22:21 | |
| hamitron | ;) | 22:21 |
| Ricey | don't rub it in ;) | 22:22 |
| hamitron | what? that I am on holiday? | 22:22 |
| Ricey | not had a day off since weekend before last | 22:22 |
| hamitron | :D | 22:22 |
| Ricey | yes | 22:22 |
| Ricey | ;) | 22:22 |
| hamitron | you prob have a lot more holiday then me | 22:23 |
| Ricey | need to use it up, but prob won't have the chance | 22:23 |
| Ricey | got 3 more weeks at home then to the states for 4 months on a course | 22:23 |
| hamitron | I just give myself 2 weeks per year | 22:23 |
| hamitron | :/ | 22:23 |
| Ricey | :) | 22:24 |
| hamitron | plus bank holidays | 22:24 |
| hamitron | \o/ | 22:24 |
| hamitron | anyways, laters | 22:25 |
| hamitron | :) | 22:25 |
| hamitron | I think I may play some games | 22:25 |
| Ricey | laters - night all | 22:26 |
| gord | my tv told me i had a text on my phone, i love the future sometimes :) | 22:27 |
| WelshDragon | What button is CR short for? | 22:36 |
| bigcalm | Enter | 22:45 |
| bigcalm | Carriage Return | 22:45 |
| bigcalm | \n | 22:46 |
| shauno | for backwards-compatibility with typewriters :) | 22:46 |
| bigcalm | ctrl+m | 22:46 |
| bigcalm | Actually \r | 22:46 |
| * bigcalm smiles and goes back to coding | 22:46 | |
| WelshDragon | Oh | 22:53 |
| WelshDragon | ok | 22:53 |
| popey | 167827 | 23:03 |
| popey | er | 23:03 |
| popey | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167827 | 23:03 |
| popey | el-cheapo SSD | 23:03 |
| popey | could be good as a boot disk, with data on rotating rust | 23:03 |
| popey | directhex: what is you call them? discs of rust? | 23:04 |
| bigcalm | Ooo | 23:07 |
| bigcalm | Aww | 23:07 |
| bigcalm | 32gb used on revo's hdd | 23:07 |
| popey | /dev/sda1 145G 11G 127G 8% / | 23:08 |
| popey | \o/ | 23:08 |
| popey | not much used on mine | 23:08 |
| popey | it's only my ssh end point though | 23:08 |
| bigcalm | 22gb used on my parent's viglen | 23:08 |
| bigcalm | Hummz | 23:08 |
| popey | vigeln is ide | 23:09 |
| bigcalm | Poo | 23:09 |
| popey | heh | 23:09 |
| bigcalm | Can you tell Steam to use a drive other than C: yet? | 23:11 |
| hamitron | I wish you could tell it a different drive to backup local files to :/ | 23:12 |
| hamitron | without mounting a drive on the backup folder | 23:12 |
| popey | no idea | 23:14 |
| directhex | popey: the agility 3 is an excellent drive, but 30gb won't go far | 23:36 |
| popey | true enough | 23:36 |
| popey | for / should be fine? | 23:36 |
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