[06:23] morning all [06:23] Azelphur: C10K would mean Circa 10 thousand [06:24] circa meaning "approximately" [07:03] Morning all [07:03] Morning [07:33] Morning all [07:53] join === GaardenZwerch_ is now known as GaardenZwerch [07:59] hi GaardenZwerch [08:02] wow. that was a quiet night! [08:04] Morning [08:07] Morning peeps, good :) === denny_ is now known as denny [08:25] * daubers is still tired :( [08:30] * daubers still can't get onto g+ [08:30] i'm sure in 2 years time, you'll be saying "daubers still can't delete his g+ profile" :) [08:30] oimon: :p [08:31] haha [08:31] i will probably join g+ but am even more wary of privacy with google than fb [08:31] fb play some nasty tricks but at least they leave the option for you to make some stuff private [08:35] Thought google+ does actually allow you to delete your profile, and the idea of circles was to make stuff private between groups? [08:37] yes [08:37] and other people can't see the names you give to your circles [08:37] (or who's in them, if you configure it like that) [08:37] * popey has a special nutballs circle [08:38] for now. [08:40] i'd like to take a look at it though. seems to have got some people excited [08:44] oimon: gimmie email address and I'll try to add you if you want [08:45] * BigRedS still hasn't managed to log into g+ since signing up to it... [08:45] It keeps disliking the browser I point at it and I can't persuade the android app to log in [08:45] heh [08:45] * TheOpenSourcerer just sees a 404 [08:45] happy to send invites to people [08:46] popey: ping :) [08:46] just added you [08:47] done TheOpenSourcerer [08:47] ty popey [08:47] dunno if you'll get it, they seem to turn the tap on and off [08:47] * bigcalm stares at gmail for the day [08:48] None of mine have gone through popey :( [08:52] I got a link from AlanBell but I'm still getting the "Already invited? We've temporarily exceeded our capacity. Please try again soon." page :-( [08:53] aloha [08:54] morning czajkowski [08:54] yawns [08:54] so it is [09:04] good morning everyone. [09:14] Gah, that was wird [09:14] weird [09:15] At 51:10 in the latest uupc there is a chirp or something [09:15] is there? [09:15] * popey listens [09:15] I thought it was a notification sound on my machine until I rewound to hear it again [09:15] popey's iphone perhaps? :P [09:16] I was looking though all of my open apps for something that wanted my attention [09:16] It's fairly clear, so it's a notification within the phone recording software I'd say [09:17] during the interview? [09:17] yeah, thats not us [09:18] Les recorded it [09:18] wintellect: so no, not my iphone [09:18] have we heard the cat in the background lately? [09:19] yes [09:19] mine was being annoying in ep 9 [09:19] you can hear it eating from a metal tin [09:20] s/tin/bowl [09:20] yay [09:20] http://audioboo.fm/boos/397479-lunchtime sounds very much like that [09:22] ok I just listened to 35 seconds of a cat eating [09:22] this is what the internet was made for [09:22] I follow popey's cat [09:23] :D [09:23] You should too [09:23] http://twitter.com/salempope [09:23] Ooo, think the coffee is ready [09:23] * bigcalm goes to get wired [09:30] Poor em [09:31] Laney: You listened to someone eating a cat? [09:32] There's a man eating fish in the river! [09:32] Can be taken both ways [09:32] oh, cat has just tweeted again! [09:32] http://audioboo.fm/boos/406536 [09:40] http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=83109&c=5 [09:40] "Dear customer service. Could you please draw a picture of a monkey riding a giraffe on the first page of the Harry Potter Book I ordered" [09:40] "Sorry but unfortunately we cannot draw anything on the insides of the books. However, I send you attached a picture of a monkey riding a giraffe, hopefully you can print it out and glue it on the book yourself. I'm apologize that my skills of drawing aren't better. BR, [unwithclosed]" [09:41] What's with all of the drawing requests on things that shouldn't have them these days? [09:45] The wonder and joy that is a cat's purr [09:48] Myrtti: http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html [09:51] Oh, so I'm getting hourly disconnections again today eh? [09:55] Hmm... AlanBell added me to Huddle, but apparently that doesn't count as a g+ invite [09:55] g+ invites aren't going out until they open up again [09:56] rubbish [09:56] * daubers blames teh googleh [09:57] makes sense to me. it's not like google are used to scaling apps to this size. I imagine they're on the phone to their dell agent right now ;) [10:03] morning all [10:04] shauno: :) [10:04] need moar servers [10:08] "hi, dell? yah, i need a second poweredge please. no no, the 4u one is fine, we've got an entire rack ready for these things" [10:09] hi all [10:10] Hi hoovie [10:10] hey biggie [10:53] bigcalm_: I'd egg mr branson if I were you. that's some pretty foul nets [10:54] I often wonder if google do these limited rollouts, less to manage capacity and more to make the thing seem more desirable [10:55] I gather they do it a lot more than people notice [10:55] anywhere they make changes, they roll out to a % at a time. it's just barely noticable until it creates "haves and have-nots" divides [11:03] daubers, cartmanland! [11:05] shauno: it was happening last week. Disconnect every hour at the same time [11:05] Today it's been 49 mins past the hour since 9am === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [11:12] * brobostigon tries linux-image-3* from debian experimental, to see if gpu lockup fixed. [11:13] rc5. [11:16] directhex: Exactley [11:28] mm this Samsung 900X3A is really nice [11:29] no breakage, phew, :) [11:29] first samsung laptop in the last 4 years that's really felt good quality [11:36] just spent another rubbish 1/2 day trying to fix a windows server that won't boot [11:37] * BigRedS notes that he's spent the last hour debugging broken smtp auth with the wrong password :( [11:37] BigRedS, nice [11:37] BigRedS, i like debugging sql-based auth when pg_hba.conf keeps getting overwritten with a version that denies my host [11:38] hah, yeah. I was just wondering why it was so sure it was the wrong password... [11:38] haha [11:56] hi listening to the newest podcasts I would be very interested to learn a bit more about the Wine/Unity launcher set up. Any links available? [11:57] a good question! [11:57] http://askubuntu.com/questions/39394/change-icon-of-wine-application-in-unity-launcher [11:58] I had exactly the same problem when converting another newbie to Ubuntu and he wanted to have his Picasa [11:58] thanks popey [11:59] maybe put this link also in the show notes? [11:59] once you tell me it works, I will :D [12:00] right [12:09] Damn, my mob trap in minecraft still won't work [12:09] oops wrong channel ;-) [12:09] sorry [12:10] * bigcalm points hoover at #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :) [12:12] :D [12:12] hoover: I annoyed someone on the work minecraft server because I changed the lever on their front door so that it used a piston to slide the block their standing on away and drop them down a pit......... [12:12] But they should have dug up bits of my railway [12:12] s/should/shouldn't/ [12:12] "work minecraft server" [12:12] Nice :D [12:12] AlanBell: Indeed [12:12] AlanBell: What the boss asks for he gets [12:13] the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one === nick is now known as Guest84459 [12:23] AlanBell: :) [12:30] AlanBell: my brother wrote a mapping application for Minecraft as part of learning python at work, the lucky thing [12:32] AlanBell: The ports blocked at all work times except lunch and when I'm stuck on a really crappy support call [12:33] that's mean daubers [12:34] My very first work experience job had Rogue running on their mainframe. it was only accessible for 2 hours at lunchtime [12:34] the mainframe went insane for those two hours of the day [12:34] heh [12:34] <- old [12:35] this was in 1988 to be fair [12:35] i was watching top gear last night and realised that comedian ross noble is a cross between popey and jono bacon [12:35] My first work experience job was for the Inland Revenue [12:41] popey: It does normallz help when the show notes followe the chrononical order of the podcast [12:41] and it helps switching why keyboard properly ;) [12:42] I was honestly confused hearing the command line love coming up and thinking "hang on did I fall asleep and missed the interviews" [12:42] meh ☺ [12:42] they are rarely in order [12:43] Sorry I'm spoiled by #linuxoutlaws apparently :-D [12:45] * oimon remembers to download the uupc [12:45] meow [12:51] popey: Installing an RPG on Solaris got me my first admin job in 89 [12:52] the admins took note and immediately hired me ;-) [12:52] heh [12:52] Can't even remember the name now, it was something nethack like... [12:52] ah, Omega, that's the one. Terribly buggy, too [12:53] Two weeks later, I was soldering serial cables and splicing RG58(?) connectors. [12:53] * hoover feels old now [12:56] Oh, BNC [12:58] yep, that's the name... 10 Mbit / sec shared for an entire department [13:03] hoover: Puts into perspective the big bundles of fibre that arrived for the new office we're moving into next door. 10GbE to each station in the R&D room [13:05] daubers: we thought back then 10mbit would last us forever ;-D [13:05] hoover: In some applications we've worked in, 10GbE hasn't been good enough :( [13:05] * hoover thinks daubers works in the pr0n industry... [13:06] now 10mbit feels like it's *taking* forever [13:06] hoover: Funnily enough, that's the one branch of the video industry we've not sold kit into.... [13:06] lol [13:07] daubers: My guess was close then ;-) [13:07] hoover: :p [13:08] Yeah well, the 'net is bound to eat us alive some day [13:29] it already has [13:32] right cheers all, laters [13:33] having a terrible time with some missing microsoft terminal server licences :( [13:34] server died and can't find the paper licence with the CALs on [13:34] oimon: use the linux oimon it has a terminal server thrown in for free ;) [13:35] this is to run a windows app :( [13:35] oimon: I'm teasing dude :) [13:36] :'( [13:36] nothing sucks like a broken windows machine [13:39] oimon: I'm pretty sure a dyson would give it a run for it's money :D [13:54] How do I set an environment variable so it's persistent and available for all users? Specifically I want to set SNMPCONFPATH for all users of a machine but putting this in /etc/environment doesn't seem to work. [13:56] stetho: check /etc/environment [13:56] stetho: that's read by pam_environment at login [13:57] stetho: after editing /etc/environment don't forget to logout and back in to see changes take effect [13:57] Done that - even tried restarting [13:59] Works for me :| [14:00] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/639495/ [14:06] Definitely not working on this system. Something odd going on. [14:15] stetho: do you have another system you can try it out on? [14:55] while I realise this is entirely off-topic, boy does powerpoint make me nerdrage :/ [14:58] as far as I can tell, there's no way to tell it to use the same language for an entire document. Every single element is spellchecked in the locale that it's author was using [15:14] MOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! [15:18] the problem with fruit, is that you can't tell if it is going to taste disgusting before you buy. got a bag of oranges that are all minging [15:48] I am running Ubuntu 10.10 and would like to upgrade to 11.04. My ADSL connection is rather slow for the update, could I update from the Installer CD? [15:53] pixel8in: you can from the alternate CD [15:53] pixel8in: live CD should do it [15:53] * AlanBell doesn't think the live CD contains packages [15:54] you can do an over the top install without nuking /home [15:54] "Since Ubuntu 11.04 Natty, Ubuntu Live-CD supports upgrading from the previous Ubuntu installation" [15:54] * dogmatic69 read that on some blog [15:54] "Download the Ubuntu 11.04 iso and create a Live-CD or Live-USB, then boot from the device, if you have a Ubuntu installed on machine there’s an upgrade option in the installation guide." [15:55] I think that is the "over the top but don't nuke /home" option [15:56] which is probably much the same as doing a package based upgrade [15:57] it does more than that AlanBell [15:57] it also upgrades existing packages [16:02] @dogmatic69: OK, what I have done is download 11.04 iso and have created a CD. Is this what you call "Live-CD"? If so, must I shut down and reboot from the CD? Excuse all the questions, I am still very green. [16:02] ye, try reboot with the cd in. it should give you an update option. [16:03] backup first ;) [16:08] [Stuart Langridge] LugRadio: temporarily back in the habit - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/07/07/lugradio-temporarily-back-in-the-habit [16:08] *\o/* [16:10] @dogmatic69: Thanks, Please explain what you meant by - don't nuke /home" option ? [16:10] i did not say that [16:12] My apology, AlanBell said that. Could you please explain. [16:17] @AlanBell: Sorry, I posed my question to the wrong person. Please explain what you meant by - don't nuke /home" option ? [16:18] hi pixel8in, so you have downloaded a live CD, the alternate cd is a little harder to find, but it sounds like the one you have is just fine [16:19] Ubuntu stores files in a particular file structure, all the personal stuff is under /home so my home directory with all my stuff is at /home/alan [16:20] the upgrade option in the install does not reformat the disk, it leaves /home alone and upgrades the other stuff around it, which sounds like exactly what you are after [16:24] @AlanBell @dogmatic69 and everyone that has responded, thank you for the advice. Sure I can manage now. Thanks again. [16:25] np [17:08] [Jono Bacon] LugRadio Reunion 2011 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/07/lugradio-reunion-2011/ [17:20] lo [17:20] \o daubers [17:21] * daubers is not terribly awake [17:21] daubers: have you tried a bucket of cold water? [17:21] MartijnVdS: Considered a cold shower..... [17:21] MartijnVdS: I suspect it's just the calm after a busy day making me doze [17:23] Need to do some android stuff for work tonight [17:23] "tonight" + "work" don't mix :) [17:24] Heh, only way I could convince the office that we shouldn't build stuff for iPhones [17:27] That and objective c is pretty nasty [17:27] it's very lock-in, but if you know it it's not that bad [17:27] but yeah, android > ios [17:29] I kinda understand objective c, but working in xcode hurts [17:29] All the "Have to drag attach a button to code" is really slow === hcfd_ is now known as hcfd [18:11] !echo [18:11] !ping [18:11] Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to respond to factoid requests. Call that job satisfaction? Because I don't. [18:12] !beep [18:17] lubotu3's job is easy :( === bigcalm_lappy486 is now known as bigcalm [19:22] Weeeeeeeeeeee [19:22] OU Course paid for [19:26] Oh this is irritating. Why does Eclipse not show scrollbars with the default desktop theme? [19:26] daubers: good luck [19:26] bigcalm: THe overlay thing doesn't work well in eclipse :( [19:26] bigcalm: You can disable it for that app by modifying the the .desktop files [19:27] bigcalm: Also... thanks :) [19:27] Heh [19:27] bigcalm: /usr/share/applications/eclipse.desktop <-- That file [19:27] Ta [19:27] Change the exec line to read Exec=env LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 eclipse [19:28] * daubers has done this on 4 machines so far [19:28] apparently it is blacklisted, but the blacklisting doesn't work for some reason [19:29] Something to do with symbolic links, it's been marked "won't fix" :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/eclipse-ubuntu/+bug/769277 [19:29] Ubuntu bug 769277 in Eclipse for Ubuntu "Eclipse shows overlay scrollbar but when i hover there is no scroll handles" [Undecided,Confirmed] [19:30] The wrotters! [19:30] -w [19:30] Humm. I added it, restarted Eclipse but no change [19:31] Ah, there we go [19:31] \o/ [19:31] * bigcalm slaps something about a little [19:31] Handy you were in here while I was moaning about it ;) [19:34] heh :) Using eclipse everyday means it annoyed me very quickly [19:38] vim + ctags \o/ [19:38] MartijnVdS: The android debugger in eclipse is the awesomeness [19:40] daubers: Eclipse feels to slow for me, can't get used to it [19:40] MartijnVdS: I used to think that until I got a decent laptop with oodles of RAM [19:40] also.. I get confused (do I need to create a file? a class? a package? half a tree?) [19:40] Eclipse is horrible on Windows. Works much better under Linux [19:40] MartijnVdS: Huh? I just manage things like that myself [19:41] daubers: I have 8G and if it's my Intel graphics, I think it might have other problems [19:41] daubers: also, eclipse drops .project files everywhere [19:41] and it doesn't handle trailing whitespace at all [19:41] Heh :) Works fine on my 4G [19:42] MartijnVdS: I think that last bit depends on which plugin you're using (i.e. cdt, pydev or whatnot) [19:42] I used to do the vim thing, but got far too used to the nice things eclipse can do for you [19:43] daubers: Have you used ctags properly? :) [19:43] (also, I write Perl, and Eclipse's Perl support is a bit horrible) [19:43] MartijnVdS: It's not just syntax highlight, things like fixing my includes in ADT with a single mouse click is loverly [19:44] daubers: Should be possible to write a vim plugin for that.. also -- omni-completion [19:44] MartijnVdS: But I don't need to! Eclipse does it already [19:45] daubers: I don't need to do it, so I don't miss the feature :) [19:45] MartijnVdS: Being able to read the docstring for the function I'm using by hovering over it is also very nice [19:45] daubers: omnicompletion can do that :) [19:46] :) [19:47] Also, the GUI designer thing for android works nice in eclipse (though you could edit the raw xml yourself) [19:47] * AlanBell needs to set up eclipse for android stuff [19:47] I never found that feature [19:48] being able to hide chunks of code when you're just figuring out how somethings put together is nice [19:48] MartijnVdS: Which one? [19:48] the GUI designer [19:48] AlanBell: If you want to run stuff on your phone with the debugger, you need to do some udev magic [19:48] yeah, I had that set up before to do tethering [19:49] now tethering is there by default [19:49] * daubers uploads a screeny [19:51] MartijnVdS: http://www.daubers.co.uk/~matt/android1.png [19:51] that's like glade [19:51] excuse the manky in design gui [19:52] MartijnVdS: I suspect it's based on glade [19:53] * daubers needs to throw together a small django app to get some stuff from a db and into json for that thing [19:53] Looks like glade [19:54] Glade was much fun :) [19:56] AlanBell: Android is slightly annoying to code for, bit less so than Web OS, a lot less so than iPhones [19:56] but DDMS really is fantastic [19:57] I need to make an app that lets the user record 3 minutes of audio and upload it [19:57] ....... for what? [19:58] AlanBell: Best to start here for that http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/index.html#capture :) [20:02] daubers: .. to upload hacked voicemails? [20:03] sheesh, no! [20:03] for uploading bedtime stories read out to sweet little offspring [20:04] ah funny you should say that [20:04] the plan is to reinvent and relaunch http://astoryforbedtime.com/ [20:04] I have been playing with recording stories as i read them to the kids [20:04] and this time maybe make some money [20:04] ' [20:04] ;] [20:04] I have been using audioboo on my phone as I actually read to the kids [20:04] yeah, something like that [20:05] i do think the name "kiddiecast" needs rethinking [20:05] how does the copyright work? [20:06] happy to rethink [20:06] copyright works by negotiation with the publishers [20:06] generally they say yes [20:06] ah [20:06] childrens book publishers think differently [20:06] they know the value is in the pictures and the paper [20:07] site is a bit broken too ☺ [20:07] probably [20:07] joomla 1.x [20:07] ah [20:07] rather old... [20:07] I'd contribute [20:07] anything specifically broken? looks OK to me [20:08] yes [20:08] It will be moving home soon so probably a good time for a refresh [20:08] http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_remository&func=fileinfo&id=48 [20:08] click "play now" [20:08] i get a popup with "missing plug-in" [20:08] Works for me [20:08] * AlanBell listens to missa [20:09] chrome on ubuntu 11.04 [20:09] Melissa had a cold I think. [20:09] have you got manky js in there to prevent "view source"? [20:09] yeah, broken in chromium [20:10] no manky js [20:10] view source is broken in chromium though [20:11] believe it or not this was not extensively tested in chromium in 2007 [20:12] hah [20:12] not [20:12] :D [20:13] do you only want people reading books to the mic? [20:13] i mean, I was going to read to my kids and include any stupid comments they make :D [20:14] popey: That was the idea - capture the fun, giggles etc... [20:15] make others think - that sounds fun! I will have to click here and buy that book for my kids. [20:16] yup, absolutely not a professional audio book read by $celeb of the week [20:16] ah, excellent [20:16] although that would be a good idea too [20:16] I'll do some of that [20:16] yeah, but that is a different copyright conversation [20:17] oh [20:17] Yes. Julian Clary reading "wind in the willows" would be interesting [20:18] I could go and see if Damon Hill would like to read Rory the Racing Car. He only lives down the road. [20:19] celebrites could do recordings, but on the same basis as everyone else really [20:20] so, if I read some book to my kids, I record it, send it to you.. then what? [20:20] then I put them on the site for everyone to share [20:20] and you can download a bunch, burn to CD let the kids play them whenever [20:21] and there is a vote system [20:21] http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_graphitory&Itemid=28 [20:22] so librivox with a narrower audience? [20:22] kind of [20:22] but not public domain books [20:22] current picture books [20:24] * popey wonders if he can extract his audio from audioboo [20:24] http://forum.audioboo.fm/discussions/questions/15-download-a-boo [20:24] win [20:25] http://audioboo.fm/boos/406536-so-sleepy.mp3 === webpigeon is now known as Guest44249 [20:26] ok, will do one tomorrow night then === Guest44249 is now known as webpigeon_web [20:31] popey: loads of info herehttp://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=7&Itemid=25 [20:31] popey: loads of info here http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=7&Itemid=25 [20:32] how does the revenue share work? [20:32] "share"?!? [20:32] Oh [20:32] Oh dear. [20:32] that would be an interesting feature to think about adding [20:33] total site revenue to date < £10 [20:34] :D [20:35] it was just creeping up to £10 when Amazon put the minimum payout threshold up to £50 [20:35] so collected revenue is zero [20:35] however I think the concept is sound [20:36] at the time there was a completely different technology and marketing environment [20:36] we need to massively lower the barrier to recording audio [20:37] so "install audacity, go on it is free and easy" is far far too hard for people to do [20:37] audacity suuuuuucks [20:37] it is a bit overcomplicated but it works [20:38] except when it crashes for no reason [20:38] windows sound recorder sucks [20:38] with no backtrace and no error message [20:38] anyhow, it was too hard [20:39] plus the marketing needs to be done properly and actually get to parents, I tried, but failed [20:39] stuff like mumsnet now exists [20:39] so wait [20:39] how is it legal for you to do this? [20:39] because I got permission from the rights holders [20:40] and convinced them it wasn't audio books [20:40] but... it clearly is audio books [20:40] some of them sent me free books to record [20:40] nope, it isn't [20:40] it isn't professional recordings with a paid artist [20:40] they are not being distributed for money [20:41] I convinced them they should let me do it for free to promote their book sales [20:41] and I would get a standard affiliate link cut [20:43] actually it was early 2006 that we put this together [21:02] daubers: so, install eclipse from the repos? [21:06] AlanBell: yup [21:08] AlanBell:: You need to download the tools from developer.android.com and there's an eclipse plugin too [21:09] yeah [21:09] 'tis quite easy [21:11] How do you order things in top by memory usage? [21:12] * daubers heads to bed [21:14] bigcalm type "m" [21:15] I think you mean M [21:15] TheOpenSourcerer: that just hides the memory line [21:15]