[06:23] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:23] <AlanBell> Azelphur: C10K would mean Circa 10 thousand
[06:24] <AlanBell> circa meaning "approximately"
[07:03] <DJones> Morning all
[07:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[07:33] <diplo> Morning all
[07:53] <GaardenZwerch_> join
[07:59] <AlanBell> hi GaardenZwerch
[08:02] <BigRedS> wow. that was a quiet night!
[08:04] <daubers> Morning
[08:07] <bigcalm> Morning peeps, good :)
[08:25]  * daubers is still tired :(
[08:30]  * daubers still  can't get onto g+
[08:30] <oimon> i'm sure in 2 years time, you'll be saying "daubers still can't delete his g+ profile" :)
[08:30] <daubers> oimon: :p
[08:31] <BigRedS> haha
[08:31] <oimon> i will probably join g+ but am even more wary of privacy with google than fb
[08:31] <oimon> fb play some nasty tricks but at least they leave the option for you to make some stuff private
[08:35] <daubers> Thought google+ does actually allow you to delete your profile, and the idea of circles was to make stuff private between groups?
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> yes
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> and other people can't see the names you give to your circles
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> (or who's in them, if you configure it like that)
[08:37]  * popey has a special nutballs circle
[08:38] <oimon> for now.
[08:40] <oimon> i'd like to take a look at it though. seems to have got some people excited
[08:44] <popey> oimon: gimmie email address and I'll try to add you if you want
[08:45]  * BigRedS still hasn't managed to log into g+ since signing up to it...
[08:45] <BigRedS> It keeps disliking the browser I point at it and I can't persuade the android app to log in
[08:45] <popey> heh
[08:45]  * TheOpenSourcerer just sees a 404
[08:45] <popey> happy to send invites to people
[08:46] <bigcalm> popey: ping :)
[08:46] <popey> just added you
[08:47] <popey> done TheOpenSourcerer
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty popey
[08:47] <popey> dunno if you'll get it, they seem to turn the tap on and off
[08:47]  * bigcalm stares at gmail for the day
[08:48] <diplo> None of mine have gone through popey  :(
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> I got a link from AlanBell but I'm still getting the "Already invited? We've temporarily exceeded our capacity. Please try again soon." page :-(
[08:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning czajkowski
[08:54] <czajkowski> yawns
[08:54] <czajkowski> so it is
[09:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:14] <bigcalm> Gah, that was wird
[09:14] <bigcalm> weird
[09:15] <bigcalm> At 51:10 in the latest uupc there is a chirp or something
[09:15] <popey> is there?
[09:15]  * popey listens
[09:15] <bigcalm> I thought it was a notification sound on my machine until I rewound to hear it again
[09:15] <wintellect> popey's iphone perhaps?  :P
[09:16] <bigcalm> I was looking though all of my open apps for something that wanted my attention
[09:16] <bigcalm> It's fairly clear, so it's a notification within the phone recording software I'd say
[09:17] <popey> during the interview?
[09:17] <popey> yeah, thats not us
[09:18] <popey> Les recorded it
[09:18] <popey> wintellect: so no, not my iphone
[09:18] <Laney> have we heard the cat in the background lately?
[09:19] <popey> yes
[09:19] <popey> mine was being annoying in ep 9
[09:19] <popey> you can hear it eating from a metal tin
[09:20] <popey> s/tin/bowl
[09:20] <Laney> yay
[09:20] <popey> http://audioboo.fm/boos/397479-lunchtime sounds very much like that
[09:22] <Laney> ok I just listened to 35 seconds of a cat eating
[09:22] <Laney> this is what the internet was made for
[09:22] <bigcalm> I follow popey's cat
[09:23] <popey> :D
[09:23] <bigcalm> You should too
[09:23] <popey> http://twitter.com/salempope
[09:23] <bigcalm> Ooo, think the coffee is ready
[09:23]  * bigcalm goes to get wired
[09:30] <bigcalm> Poor em
[09:31] <jpds> Laney: You listened to someone eating a cat?
[09:32] <bigcalm> There's a man eating fish in the river!
[09:32] <bigcalm> Can be taken both ways
[09:32] <popey> oh, cat has just tweeted again!
[09:32] <popey> http://audioboo.fm/boos/406536
[09:40] <Myrtti> http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=83109&c=5
[09:40] <Myrtti> "Dear customer service. Could you please draw a picture of a monkey riding a giraffe on the first page of the Harry Potter Book I ordered"
[09:40] <Myrtti> "Sorry but unfortunately we cannot draw anything on the insides of the books. However, I send you attached a picture of a monkey riding a giraffe, hopefully you can print it out and glue it on the book yourself. I'm apologize that my skills of drawing aren't better. BR, [unwithclosed]"
[09:41] <bigcalm> What's with all of the drawing requests on things that shouldn't have them these days?
[09:45] <bigcalm> The wonder and joy that is a cat's purr
[09:48] <AlanBell> Myrtti: http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html
[09:51] <bigcalm> Oh, so I'm getting hourly disconnections again today eh?
[09:55] <daubers> Hmm... AlanBell added me to Huddle, but apparently that doesn't count as a g+ invite
[09:55] <gord> g+ invites aren't going out until they open up again
[09:56] <daubers> rubbish
[09:56]  * daubers blames teh googleh
[09:57] <shauno> makes sense to me.  it's not like google are used to scaling apps to this size.  I imagine they're on the phone to their dell agent right now ;)
[10:03] <davmor2> morning all
[10:04] <MattJ> shauno: :)
[10:04] <daubers> need moar servers
[10:08] <directhex> "hi, dell? yah, i need a second poweredge please. no no, the 4u one is fine, we've got an entire rack ready for these things"
[10:09] <hoover> hi all
[10:10] <bigcalm> Hi hoovie
[10:10] <hoover> hey biggie
[10:53] <shauno> bigcalm_: I'd egg mr branson if I were you.  that's some pretty foul nets
[10:54] <daubers> I often wonder if google do these limited rollouts,  less to manage capacity and more to make the thing seem more desirable
[10:55] <shauno> I gather they do it a lot more than people notice
[10:55] <shauno> anywhere they make changes, they roll out to a % at a time.  it's just barely noticable until it creates "haves and have-nots" divides
[11:03] <directhex> daubers, cartmanland!
[11:05] <bigcalm_> shauno: it was happening last week. Disconnect every hour at the same time
[11:05] <bigcalm_> Today it's been 49 mins past the hour since 9am
[11:12]  * brobostigon tries linux-image-3* from debian experimental, to see if gpu lockup fixed.
[11:13] <brobostigon> rc5.
[11:16] <daubers> directhex: Exactley
[11:28] <X3N> mm this Samsung 900X3A is really nice
[11:29] <brobostigon> no breakage, phew, :)
[11:29] <X3N> first samsung laptop in the last 4 years that's really felt good quality
[11:36] <oimon> just spent another rubbish 1/2 day trying to fix a windows server that won't boot
[11:37]  * BigRedS notes that he's spent the last hour debugging broken smtp auth with the wrong password :(
[11:37] <directhex> BigRedS, nice
[11:37] <directhex> BigRedS, i like debugging sql-based auth when pg_hba.conf keeps getting overwritten with a version that denies my host
[11:38] <BigRedS> hah, yeah. I was just wondering why it was so sure it was the wrong password...
[11:38] <BigRedS> haha
[11:56] <imexil> hi listening to the newest podcasts I would be very interested to learn a bit more about the Wine/Unity launcher set up. Any links available?
[11:57] <popey> a good question!
[11:57] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/39394/change-icon-of-wine-application-in-unity-launcher
[11:58] <imexil> I had exactly the same problem when converting another newbie to Ubuntu and he wanted to have his Picasa
[11:58] <imexil> thanks popey
[11:59] <imexil> maybe put this link also in the show notes?
[11:59] <popey> once you tell me it works, I will :D
[12:00] <imexil> right
[12:09] <hoover> Damn, my mob trap in minecraft still won't work
[12:09] <hoover> oops wrong channel ;-)
[12:09] <hoover> sorry
[12:10]  * bigcalm points hoover at #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :)
[12:12] <popey> :D
[12:12] <daubers> hoover: I annoyed someone on the work minecraft server because I changed the lever on their front door so that it used a piston to slide the block their standing on away and drop them down a pit.........
[12:12] <daubers> But they should have dug up bits of my railway
[12:12] <daubers> s/should/shouldn't/
[12:12] <AlanBell> "work minecraft server"
[12:12] <bigcalm> Nice :D
[12:12] <daubers> AlanBell: Indeed
[12:12] <daubers> AlanBell: What the boss asks for he gets
[12:13] <AlanBell> the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one
[12:23] <matti> AlanBell: :)
[12:30] <dwatkins> AlanBell: my brother wrote a mapping application for Minecraft as part of learning python at work, the lucky thing
[12:32] <daubers> AlanBell: The ports blocked at all work times except lunch and when I'm stuck on a really crappy support call
[12:33] <hoover> that's mean daubers
[12:34] <popey> My very first work experience job had Rogue running on their mainframe. it was only accessible for 2 hours at lunchtime
[12:34] <popey> the mainframe went insane for those two hours of the day
[12:34] <daubers> heh
[12:34] <popey> <- old
[12:35] <popey> this was in 1988 to be fair
[12:35] <oimon> i was watching top gear last night and realised that comedian ross noble is a cross between popey and jono bacon
[12:35] <daubers> My first work experience job was for the Inland Revenue
[12:41] <imexil> popey: It does normallz help when the show notes followe the chrononical order of the podcast
[12:41] <imexil> and it helps switching why keyboard properly ;)
[12:42] <imexil> I was honestly confused hearing the command line love coming up and thinking "hang on did I fall asleep and missed the interviews"
[12:42] <popey> meh ☺
[12:42] <popey> they are rarely in order
[12:43] <imexil> Sorry I'm spoiled by #linuxoutlaws apparently :-D
[12:45]  * oimon remembers to download the uupc
[12:45] <popey> meow
[12:51] <hoover> popey: Installing an RPG on Solaris got me my first admin job in 89
[12:52] <hoover> the admins took note and immediately hired me ;-)
[12:52] <popey> heh
[12:52] <hoover> Can't even remember the name now, it was something nethack like...
[12:52] <hoover> ah, Omega, that's the one. Terribly buggy, too
[12:53] <hoover> Two weeks later, I was soldering serial cables and splicing RG58(?) connectors.
[12:53]  * hoover feels old now
[12:56] <bigcalm> Oh, BNC
[12:58] <hoover> yep, that's the name... 10 Mbit / sec shared for an entire department
[13:03] <daubers> hoover: Puts into perspective the big bundles of fibre that arrived for the new office we're moving into next door. 10GbE to each station in the R&D room
[13:05] <hoover> daubers: we thought back then 10mbit would last us forever ;-D
[13:05] <daubers> hoover: In some applications we've worked in, 10GbE hasn't been good enough :(
[13:05]  * hoover thinks daubers works in the pr0n industry...
[13:06] <shauno> now 10mbit feels like it's *taking* forever
[13:06] <daubers> hoover: Funnily enough, that's the one branch of the video industry we've not sold kit into....
[13:06] <hoover> lol
[13:07] <hoover> daubers: My guess was close then ;-)
[13:07] <daubers> hoover: :p
[13:08] <hoover> Yeah well, the 'net is bound to eat us alive some day
[13:29] <penguin42> it already has
[13:32] <hoover> right cheers all, laters
[13:33] <oimon> having a terrible time with some missing microsoft terminal server licences :(
[13:34] <oimon> server died and can't find the paper licence with the CALs on
[13:34] <davmor2> oimon: use the linux oimon it has a terminal server thrown in for free ;)
[13:35] <oimon> this is to run a windows app :(
[13:35] <davmor2> oimon: I'm teasing dude :)
[13:36] <oimon> :'(
[13:36] <oimon> nothing sucks like a broken windows machine
[13:39] <davmor2> oimon: I'm pretty sure a dyson would give it a run for it's money :D
[13:54] <stetho> How do I set an environment variable so it's persistent and available for all users? Specifically I want to set SNMPCONFPATH for all users of a machine but putting this in /etc/environment doesn't seem to work.
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> stetho: check /etc/environment
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> stetho: that's read by pam_environment at login
[13:57] <bigcalm> stetho: after editing /etc/environment don't forget to logout and back in to see changes take effect
[13:57] <stetho> Done that - even tried restarting
[13:59] <bigcalm> Works for me :|
[14:00] <bigcalm> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/639495/
[14:06] <stetho> Definitely not working on this system. Something odd going on.
[14:15] <bigcalm> stetho: do you have another system you can try it out on?
[14:55] <shauno> while I realise this is entirely off-topic, boy does powerpoint make me nerdrage :/
[14:58] <shauno> as far as I can tell, there's no way to tell it to use the same language for an entire document.  Every single element is spellchecked in the locale that it's author was using
[15:14] <davmor2> MOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
[15:18] <oimon> the problem with fruit, is that you can't tell if it is going to taste disgusting before you buy. got a bag of oranges that are all minging
[15:48] <pixel8in> I am running Ubuntu 10.10 and would like to upgrade to 11.04. My ADSL connection is rather slow for the update, could I update from the Installer CD?
[15:53] <AlanBell> pixel8in: you can from the alternate CD
[15:53] <dogmatic69> pixel8in: live CD should do it
[15:53]  * AlanBell doesn't think the live CD contains packages
[15:54] <AlanBell> you can do an over the top install without nuking /home
[15:54] <dogmatic69> "Since Ubuntu 11.04 Natty, Ubuntu Live-CD supports upgrading from the previous Ubuntu installation"
[15:54]  * dogmatic69 read that on some blog
[15:54] <dogmatic69> "Download the Ubuntu 11.04 iso and create a Live-CD or Live-USB, then boot from the device, if you have a Ubuntu installed on machine there’s an upgrade option in the installation guide."
[15:55] <AlanBell> I think that is the "over the top but don't nuke /home" option
[15:56] <AlanBell> which is probably much the same as doing a package based upgrade
[15:57] <popey> it does more than that AlanBell
[15:57] <popey> it also upgrades existing packages
[16:02] <pixel8in> @dogmatic69: OK, what I have done is download 11.04 iso and have created a CD. Is this what you call "Live-CD"? If so, must I shut down and reboot from the CD? Excuse all the questions, I am still very green.
[16:02] <dogmatic69> ye, try reboot with the cd in. it should give you an update option.
[16:03] <dogmatic69> backup first ;)
[16:08] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] LugRadio: temporarily back in the habit - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/07/07/lugradio-temporarily-back-in-the-habit
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[16:10] <pixel8in> @dogmatic69: Thanks, Please explain what you meant by - don't nuke /home" option  ?
[16:10] <dogmatic69> i did not say that
[16:12] <pixel8in> My apology, AlanBell said that. Could you please explain.
[16:17] <pixel8in> @AlanBell: Sorry, I posed my question to the wrong person.  Please explain what you meant by - don't nuke /home" option  ?
[16:18] <AlanBell> hi pixel8in, so you have downloaded a live CD, the alternate cd is a little harder to find, but it sounds like the one you have is just fine
[16:19] <AlanBell> Ubuntu stores files in a particular file structure, all the personal stuff is under /home so my home directory with all my stuff is at /home/alan
[16:20] <AlanBell> the upgrade option in the install does not reformat the disk, it leaves /home alone and upgrades the other stuff around it, which sounds like exactly what you are after
[16:24] <pixel8in> @AlanBell @dogmatic69 and everyone that has responded, thank you for the advice. Sure I can manage now. Thanks again.
[16:25] <dogmatic69> np
[17:08] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] LugRadio Reunion 2011 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/07/lugradio-reunion-2011/
[17:20] <daubers> lo
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> \o daubers
[17:21]  * daubers is not terribly awake
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> daubers: have you tried a bucket of cold water?
[17:21] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Considered a cold shower.....
[17:21] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I suspect it's just the calm after a busy day making me doze
[17:23] <daubers> Need to do some android stuff for work tonight
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> "tonight" + "work" don't mix :)
[17:24] <daubers> Heh, only way I could convince the office that we shouldn't build stuff for iPhones
[17:27] <daubers> That and objective c is pretty nasty
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> it's very lock-in, but if you know it it's not that bad
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> but yeah, android > ios
[17:29] <daubers> I kinda understand objective c, but working in xcode hurts
[17:29] <daubers> All the "Have to drag attach a button to code" is really slow
[18:11] <daubers> !echo
[18:11] <popey> !ping
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> !beep
[18:17] <daubers> lubotu3's job is easy :(
[19:22] <daubers> Weeeeeeeeeeee
[19:22] <daubers> OU Course paid for
[19:26] <bigcalm> Oh this is irritating. Why does Eclipse not show scrollbars with the default desktop theme?
[19:26] <bigcalm> daubers: good luck
[19:26] <daubers> bigcalm: THe overlay thing doesn't work well in eclipse :(
[19:26] <daubers> bigcalm: You can disable it for that app by modifying the the .desktop files
[19:27] <daubers> bigcalm: Also... thanks :)
[19:27] <bigcalm> Heh
[19:27] <daubers> bigcalm: /usr/share/applications/eclipse.desktop <-- That file
[19:27] <bigcalm> Ta
[19:27] <daubers> Change the exec line to read Exec=env LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 eclipse
[19:28]  * daubers has done this on 4 machines so far
[19:28] <daubers> apparently it is blacklisted, but the blacklisting doesn't work for some reason
[19:29] <daubers> Something to do with symbolic links, it's been marked "won't fix" :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/eclipse-ubuntu/+bug/769277
[19:30] <bigcalm> The wrotters!
[19:30] <bigcalm> -w
[19:30] <bigcalm> Humm. I added it, restarted Eclipse but no change
[19:31] <bigcalm> Ah, there we go
[19:31] <daubers> \o/
[19:31]  * bigcalm slaps something about a little
[19:31] <bigcalm> Handy you were in here while I was moaning about it ;)
[19:34] <daubers> heh :) Using eclipse everyday means it annoyed me very quickly
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> vim + ctags \o/
[19:38] <daubers> MartijnVdS: The android debugger in eclipse is the awesomeness
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Eclipse feels to slow for me, can't get used to it
[19:40] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I used to think that until I got a decent laptop with oodles of RAM
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> also.. I get confused (do I need to create a file? a class? a package? half a tree?)
[19:40] <bigcalm> Eclipse is horrible on Windows. Works much better under Linux
[19:40] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Huh? I just manage things like that myself
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I have 8G and if it's my Intel graphics, I think it might have other problems
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> daubers: also, eclipse drops .project files everywhere
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> and it doesn't handle trailing whitespace at all
[19:41] <daubers> Heh :) Works fine on my 4G
[19:42] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I think that last bit depends on which plugin you're using (i.e. cdt, pydev or whatnot)
[19:42] <daubers> I used to do the vim thing, but got far too used to the nice things eclipse can do for you
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Have you used ctags properly? :)
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> (also, I write Perl, and Eclipse's Perl support is a bit horrible)
[19:43] <daubers> MartijnVdS: It's not just syntax highlight, things like fixing my includes in ADT with a single mouse click is loverly
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Should be possible to write a vim plugin for that.. also -- omni-completion
[19:44] <daubers> MartijnVdS: But I don't need to! Eclipse does it already
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I don't need to do it, so I don't miss the feature :)
[19:45] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Being able to read the docstring for the function I'm using by hovering over it is also very nice
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> daubers: omnicompletion can do that :)
[19:46] <daubers> :)
[19:47] <daubers> Also, the GUI designer thing for android works nice in eclipse (though you could edit the raw xml yourself)
[19:47]  * AlanBell needs to set up eclipse for android stuff
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> I never found that feature
[19:48] <daubers> being able to hide chunks of code when you're just figuring out how somethings put together is nice
[19:48] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Which one?
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> the GUI designer
[19:48] <daubers> AlanBell: If you want to run stuff on your phone with the debugger, you need to do some udev magic
[19:48] <AlanBell> yeah, I had that set up before to do tethering
[19:49] <AlanBell> now tethering is there by default
[19:49]  * daubers uploads a screeny
[19:51] <daubers> MartijnVdS: http://www.daubers.co.uk/~matt/android1.png
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> that's like glade
[19:51] <daubers> excuse the manky in design gui
[19:52] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I suspect it's based on glade
[19:53]  * daubers needs to throw together a small django app to get some stuff from a db and into json for that thing
[19:53] <bigcalm> Looks like glade
[19:54] <bigcalm> Glade was much fun :)
[19:56] <daubers> AlanBell: Android is slightly annoying to code for, bit less so than Web OS, a lot less so than iPhones
[19:56] <daubers> but DDMS really is fantastic
[19:57] <AlanBell> I need to make an app that lets the user record 3 minutes of audio and upload it
[19:57] <daubers> ....... for what?
[19:58] <daubers> AlanBell: Best to start here for that http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/index.html#capture :)
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> daubers: .. to upload hacked voicemails?
[20:03] <AlanBell> sheesh, no!
[20:03] <AlanBell> for uploading bedtime stories read out to sweet little offspring
[20:04] <popey> ah funny you should say that
[20:04] <AlanBell> the plan is to reinvent and relaunch http://astoryforbedtime.com/
[20:04] <popey> I have been playing with recording stories as i read them to the kids
[20:04] <AlanBell> and this time maybe make some money
[20:04] <matti> '
[20:04] <matti> ;]
[20:04] <popey> I have been using audioboo on my phone as I actually read to the kids
[20:04] <AlanBell> yeah, something like that
[20:05] <popey> i do think the name "kiddiecast" needs rethinking
[20:05] <popey> how does the copyright work?
[20:06] <AlanBell> happy to rethink
[20:06] <AlanBell> copyright works by negotiation with the publishers
[20:06] <AlanBell> generally they say yes
[20:06] <popey> ah
[20:06] <AlanBell> childrens book publishers think differently
[20:06] <AlanBell> they know the value is in the pictures and the paper
[20:07] <popey> site is a bit broken too ☺
[20:07] <AlanBell> probably
[20:07] <AlanBell> joomla 1.x
[20:07] <popey> ah
[20:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> rather old...
[20:07] <popey> I'd contribute
[20:07] <AlanBell> anything specifically broken? looks OK to me
[20:08] <popey> yes
[20:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> It will be moving home soon so probably a good time for a refresh
[20:08] <popey> http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_remository&func=fileinfo&id=48
[20:08] <popey> click "play now"
[20:08] <popey> i get a popup with "missing plug-in"
[20:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Works for me
[20:08]  * AlanBell listens to missa
[20:09] <popey> chrome on ubuntu 11.04
[20:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Melissa had a cold I think.
[20:09] <popey> have you got manky js in there to prevent "view source"?
[20:09] <AlanBell> yeah, broken in chromium
[20:10] <AlanBell> no manky js
[20:10] <AlanBell> view source is broken in chromium though
[20:11] <AlanBell> believe it or not this was not extensively tested in chromium in 2007
[20:12] <popey> hah
[20:12] <popey> not
[20:12] <popey> :D
[20:13] <popey> do you only want people reading books to the mic?
[20:13] <popey> i mean, I was going to read to my kids and include any stupid comments they make :D
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: That was the idea - capture the fun, giggles etc...
[20:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> make others think - that sounds fun! I will have to click here and buy that book for my kids.
[20:16] <AlanBell> yup, absolutely not a professional audio book read by $celeb of the week
[20:16] <popey> ah, excellent
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> although that would be a good idea too
[20:16] <popey> I'll do some of that
[20:16] <AlanBell> yeah, but that is a different copyright conversation
[20:17] <popey> oh
[20:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes. Julian Clary reading "wind in the willows" would be interesting
[20:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I could go and see if Damon Hill would like to read Rory the Racing Car. He only lives down the road.
[20:19] <AlanBell> celebrites could do recordings, but on the same basis as everyone else really
[20:20] <popey> so, if I read some book to my kids, I record it, send it to you.. then what?
[20:20] <AlanBell> then I put them on the site for everyone to share
[20:20] <AlanBell> and you can download a bunch, burn to CD let the kids play them whenever
[20:21] <AlanBell> and there is a vote system
[20:21] <AlanBell> http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_graphitory&Itemid=28
[20:22] <shauno> so librivox with a narrower audience?
[20:22] <AlanBell> kind of
[20:22] <AlanBell> but not public domain books
[20:22] <AlanBell> current picture books
[20:24]  * popey wonders if he can extract his audio from audioboo
[20:24] <popey> http://forum.audioboo.fm/discussions/questions/15-download-a-boo
[20:24] <popey> win
[20:25] <popey> http://audioboo.fm/boos/406536-so-sleepy.mp3
[20:26] <popey> ok, will do one tomorrow night then
[20:31] <AlanBell> popey: loads of info herehttp://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=3&id=7&Itemid=25
[20:31] <AlanBell> popey: loads of info here http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=3&id=7&Itemid=25
[20:32] <popey> how does the revenue share work?
[20:32] <AlanBell> "share"?!?
[20:32] <popey> Oh
[20:32] <popey> Oh dear.
[20:32] <AlanBell> that would be an interesting feature to think about adding
[20:33] <AlanBell> total site revenue to date < £10
[20:34] <popey> :D
[20:35] <AlanBell> it was just creeping up to £10 when Amazon put the minimum payout threshold up to £50
[20:35] <AlanBell> so collected revenue is zero
[20:35] <AlanBell> however I think the concept is sound
[20:36] <AlanBell> at the time there was a completely different technology and marketing environment
[20:36] <AlanBell> we need to massively lower the barrier to recording audio
[20:37] <AlanBell> so "install audacity, go on it is free and easy" is far far too hard for people to do
[20:37] <ali1234> audacity suuuuuucks
[20:37] <AlanBell> it is a bit overcomplicated but it works
[20:38] <ali1234> except when it crashes for no reason
[20:38] <AlanBell> windows sound recorder sucks
[20:38] <ali1234> with no backtrace and no error message
[20:38] <AlanBell> anyhow, it was too hard
[20:39] <AlanBell> plus the marketing needs to be done properly and actually get to parents, I tried, but failed
[20:39] <AlanBell> stuff like mumsnet now exists
[20:39] <ali1234> so wait
[20:39] <ali1234> how is it legal for you to do this?
[20:39] <AlanBell> because I got permission from the rights holders
[20:40] <AlanBell> and convinced them it wasn't audio books
[20:40] <ali1234> but... it clearly is audio books
[20:40] <AlanBell> some of them sent me free books to record
[20:40] <AlanBell> nope, it isn't
[20:40] <AlanBell> it isn't professional recordings with a paid artist
[20:40] <AlanBell> they are not being distributed for money
[20:41] <AlanBell> I convinced them they should let me do it for free to promote their book sales
[20:41] <AlanBell> and I would get a standard affiliate link cut
[20:43] <AlanBell> actually it was early 2006 that we put this together
[21:02] <AlanBell> daubers: so, install eclipse from the repos?
[21:06] <daubers> AlanBell: yup
[21:08] <daubers> AlanBell:: You need to download the tools from developer.android.com and there's an eclipse plugin too
[21:09] <AlanBell> yeah
[21:09] <daubers> 'tis quite easy
[21:11] <bigcalm> How do you order things in top by memory usage?
[21:12]  * daubers heads to bed
[21:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm type "m"
[21:15] <popey> I think you mean M
[21:15] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: that just hides the memory line
[21:15] <bigcalm> popey: ta
[21:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: as always is right :-)
[21:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> "M"
[21:15] <popey> _always_
[21:15] <popey> wow
[21:15] <popey> :D
[21:16] <bigcalm> Oh, what a surprise: Java -> FireFox -> Gimp -> npviewer -> Xorg
[21:16]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if popey is __EVER__ wronog
[21:16] <popey> I think you mean "wrong"
[21:16] <popey> no.
[21:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[21:16] <bigcalm> LOL
[21:16] <popey> :D
[21:16] <popey>       [[21:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> I quite like the look of wronog
[21:16] <popey> come _on_
[21:17] <bigcalm> And how do you show memory in MB instead of KB?
[21:17]  * TheOpenSourcerer has moved our CRM to a new server and will now go and prepare for a day's golf tomorrow. ZZzzzzz...
[21:19] <popey> i dont think you can bigcalm
[21:19] <bigcalm> Never mind then :)
[21:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> might be able to in htop
[21:20] <bigcalm> 4gb in this laptop, 346mb free. Do I see if I can use 8gb instead?
[21:20] <popey> dstat is quite nice
[21:20] <popey> bigcalm: what does free -m say ?
[21:20] <popey> or free -g :D
[21:20] <popey> -/+ buffers/cache:          2          5
[21:20] <bigcalm> Ah, yes
[21:21] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/639743/
[21:22] <xapel> I have some photos in Shotwell with the wrong timestamp. I have changed the timestamp, but the photos is still in the wrong physical folder on the disk. Is there a way of moving it to the right folders?
[21:22] <popey> you have lots free
[21:22] <popey> 1.6GB
[21:22] <bigcalm> Oh, in that case, yay
[21:22] <popey> the rest is disk cache
[21:23] <bigcalm> Yeah, I don't want to dip into swap
[21:23] <bigcalm> I wonder if I can change the CPU in this laptop
[21:23] <popey> unlikely
[21:23] <popey> what laptop?
[21:23] <bigcalm> That's what I thought
[21:23] <bigcalm> Dell Studio 1558
[21:24] <popey> nah
[21:24] <bigcalm> I was a cheap bugger and ordered an i3
[21:24] <bigcalm> Should have got the i5
[21:24] <popey> what you doing thats slow?
[21:24] <popey> eclipse? :D
[21:26] <bigcalm> Na, it's quick enough (quicker than if I'm using it on Windows on my beefy workstation)
[21:26] <bigcalm> The boot time on this laptop is a bit pants though
[21:26] <popey> i just ordered two more SSDs
[21:26] <popey> I ♥ SSD
[21:26] <popey> gonna play with 11.10
[21:26] <bigcalm> Blimey, made of monies :P
[21:27] <popey> hqh
[21:27] <popey> er
[21:27] <popey> hah
[21:27] <popey> only small ones
[21:27] <popey> Ubuntu doesn't need much luckily :D
[21:27] <bigcalm> Would be nice to move over the SSDs on all of my machines. Except that Steam likes a lot of space
[21:28] <popey> i have steam on one :D
[21:28] <popey> well, windows 7 and steam
[21:28] <popey> no other apps though
[21:28] <popey> well, chrome and putty :D
[21:28] <AlanBell> I am using an SD card as an SSD
[21:28] <popey> Feel the speed!
[21:28] <AlanBell> hear the silence
[21:29]  * StevenR installs 300MB of updates for his father (maverick -> natty upgrade on saturday)
[21:31] <gord> lower power consumption with an ssd too :)
[21:31] <gord> though the sd i am using in my netbook is unbarably slow, if anything swaps, it kills it
[21:42] <WelshDragon> Is there a way to prevent linux trying to access specific blocks of memory?
[21:42] <Ricey> evening all :)
[21:42] <popey> why?
[21:43] <WelshDragon> popey, slightly faulty stick. Would be an interim solution before replacing it. A friend of mine told me it used to be possible of older operating systems. No idea about linux though.
[21:43] <WelshDragon> on*
[21:44] <popey> I have never heard of any OS being able to prevent access like that
[21:45] <bigcalm> On a physical drive you can mark bad blocks
[21:45] <bigcalm> But I don't know how
[21:45] <bigcalm> Or if it's possible on memory
[21:46] <WelshDragon> okies, ta anyway
[21:46] <Ricey> i hate doing this....  :(
[21:47] <Ricey> taking linux off a computer
[21:48] <webpigeon_web> don't oses do that dm
[21:49] <webpigeon_web> for kernel memory?
[21:51] <webpigeon_web> (mark it as not accessable for user programs)
[21:51] <popey> Ricey: ☹
[21:53] <Ricey> i've just had a sign from above though ;)
[21:53] <Ricey> popped in the xp disk and it can't see the hard drive! :D
[21:53] <popey> Someday I'm going to replace OSX on the iMac in the kitchen with Ubuntu
[21:53] <hamitron> saw it through the window? ;/
[21:53] <popey> but not yet
[21:54]  * hamitron is installing Ubuntu 10.04
[21:54] <popey> I'm installing 11.10 tomorrow :D
[21:54] <hamitron> even after all my rants and moans :))
[21:54] <WelshDragon> Grub apparantly has a badram command :)
[21:54] <popey> nice
[21:54] <popey> thats a new one on me
[21:55] <Ricey> indeed
[21:55] <Ricey> so why wouldn't an xp install disk see the hdd when a livecd can?
[21:55] <hamitron> no drivers for the controller?
[21:55] <Ricey> thats what i first thought, but it's only a netbook
[21:56] <hamitron> is it a special netbook?
[21:56] <Ricey> and no way of changing it in the bios either
[21:56] <Ricey> compaq 311c
[21:56] <Ricey> so not reaqlly
[21:56] <Ricey> -q
[21:56] <hamitron> dunno, unless it is some weird chipset
[21:57] <Ricey> mebbe, the initial fault was a corrupted partition install
[21:57] <Ricey> that could've screwed it, but i've replaced the mbr
[21:57] <webpigeon_web> xp doesn't support sata out the box...
[21:57] <Ricey> it might be as simple as that
[21:58] <Ricey> didn't they put sata support in sp3 tho?
[21:58] <Ricey> anyhoo, i might just say man up and use ubuntu like a proper user should ;)
[21:59] <webpigeon_web> if your disk has sp3, but i've always had to burn my own + drivers
[21:59]  * hamitron presses F6 and uses a floppy disk
[21:59] <Ricey> it's an sp3 install cd
[21:59] <Ricey> i should too, except i have no floppy drive!
[21:59] <webpigeon_web> you havr floppy disks?!
[21:59] <hamitron> I jsut confessed to using XP :-o
[22:00] <hamitron> :(
[22:00] <Ricey> lol
[22:00] <Ricey> i'm worse, i've admitted to trying to install it ;)
[22:00] <webpigeon_web> hamitron: and having floppy disks...
[22:00] <hamitron> too right I have floppy disks
[22:00] <hamitron> I do have 2 comps without though
[22:02] <bigcalm> Do people still use reset stylesheets?
[22:02] <Ricey> good ole google, yup it needs the nvidia ion sata drivers to work
[22:03] <Ricey> nothing is easy with windows
[22:05] <hamitron> hmmm
[22:05] <hamitron> just realised how close it is to the next LTS release
[22:05] <hamitron> :/
[22:05] <Ricey> less than a year!
[22:06] <hamitron> less than 2 years till 10.04 is dropped
[22:06] <Ricey> lol
[22:06] <Ricey> btw anyone tried this google plus thing yet?
[22:07] <hamitron> and as I can't upgrade to 12.04 :(
[22:07] <Ricey> why not?
[22:07] <hamitron> some of my cpu are too old
[22:07] <Ricey> ah
[22:08] <Ricey> lol @ bbc3
[22:08] <Ricey> family guy
[22:08] <bigcalm> Old ep?
[22:08] <hamitron> not got bbc 3 either
[22:08] <hamitron> haha
[22:08] <Ricey> not seen this one
[22:08] <hamitron> less than a month till they turn off my tv signal too
[22:08] <hamitron> :/
[22:08] <Ricey> stewie gone back in time to warsaw
[22:09] <Ricey> ours goes on 3 aug too
[22:09] <hamitron> I've had 2 digiboxes so far, and both have broken
[22:09] <Ricey> thankfully i'm fairly near the transmitter
[22:09] <hamitron> and neither got a decent signal
[22:10] <Ricey> not good, i need to get my freesat HD box running again
[22:10] <hamitron> we're on our 2nd aerial too
[22:10] <hamitron> haha
[22:10] <Ricey> need to put a dish up
[22:10] <hamitron> birds keep pulling these new ones to pieces
[22:10] <Ricey> lol
[22:10] <hamitron> :/
[22:10] <Ricey> shotgun?
[22:11] <hamitron> don't tempt me
[22:11] <Ricey> 2 shotguns?
[22:11] <hamitron> but air riffle is better for birds
[22:11] <hamitron> ;/
[22:11] <Ricey> too accurate, you need the scatter effect with birds
[22:11] <hamitron> that will take the aerial with them!
[22:11] <hamitron> :D
[22:12] <Ricey> if it's broken already...
[22:12] <hamitron> well, I'll see what happens with the tv signal first
[22:12] <hamitron> I'm 58 miles from my transmitter
[22:12] <hamitron> and in a valley
[22:13] <Ricey> they should up the power
[22:13] <hamitron> yeh
[22:13] <Ricey> they've shortened ours too
[22:13] <hamitron> but not gonna trust their word
[22:13] <Ricey> no longer the highest in europe
[22:13] <hamitron> see how it goes
[22:13] <hamitron> ;)
[22:13] <Ricey> indeed
[22:13] <hamitron> we have 2 aerials on the house
[22:14] <Ricey> need to get ours out of the loft
[22:14] <hamitron> so no need to spend money on another for testing
[22:14] <hamitron> hmmmm
[22:15] <hamitron> !nvidia
[22:15] <hamitron> I swear the nvidia binary driver is slower than the free one
[22:15] <hamitron> :/
[22:15] <Ricey> lol
[22:15] <Ricey> probably, which card do you have?
[22:16] <Ricey> lol @ family guy again
[22:16] <hamitron> 16Mb Geforce 2
[22:17] <Ricey> an older one, have you got the right binary blob?
[22:17] <hamitron> 96 driver
[22:17] <Ricey> aye
[22:17] <hamitron> omfg
[22:17] <Ricey> ?
[22:17] <hamitron> the 3d effects are enabled by default? :-o
[22:18] <hamitron> all ok now
[22:18] <hamitron> :D
[22:18] <Ricey> :D
[22:18] <hamitron> was so slow, didn't recognise the effects
[22:18] <hamitron> haha
[22:18] <Ricey> lol
[22:21] <Ricey> right time for sleeps, that 4 letter dirty word tomorrow.....
[22:21] <Ricey> work :(
[22:21]  * hamitron is on holiday
[22:21] <hamitron> ;)
[22:22] <Ricey> don't rub it in ;)
[22:22] <hamitron> what? that I am on holiday?
[22:22] <Ricey> not had a day off since weekend before last
[22:22] <hamitron> :D
[22:22] <Ricey> yes
[22:22] <Ricey> ;)
[22:23] <hamitron> you prob have a lot more holiday then me
[22:23] <Ricey> need to use it up, but prob won't have the chance
[22:23] <Ricey> got 3 more weeks at home then to the states for 4 months on a course
[22:23] <hamitron> I just give myself 2 weeks per year
[22:23] <hamitron> :/
[22:24] <Ricey> :)
[22:24] <hamitron> plus bank holidays
[22:24] <hamitron> \o/
[22:25] <hamitron> anyways, laters
[22:25] <hamitron> :)
[22:25] <hamitron> I think I may play some games
[22:26] <Ricey> laters - night all
[22:27] <gord> my tv told me i had a text on my phone, i love the future sometimes :)
[22:36] <WelshDragon> What button is CR short for?
[22:45] <bigcalm> Enter
[22:45] <bigcalm> Carriage Return
[22:46] <bigcalm> \n
[22:46] <shauno> for backwards-compatibility with typewriters :)
[22:46] <bigcalm> ctrl+m
[22:46] <bigcalm> Actually \r
[22:46]  * bigcalm smiles and goes back to coding
[22:53] <WelshDragon> Oh
[22:53] <WelshDragon> ok
[23:03] <popey> 167827
[23:03] <popey> er
[23:03] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167827
[23:03] <popey> el-cheapo SSD
[23:03] <popey> could be good as a boot disk, with data on rotating rust
[23:04] <popey> directhex: what is you call them? discs of rust?
[23:07] <bigcalm> Ooo
[23:07] <bigcalm> Aww
[23:07] <bigcalm> 32gb used on revo's hdd
[23:08] <popey> /dev/sda1             145G   11G  127G   8% /
[23:08] <popey> \o/
[23:08] <popey> not much used on mine
[23:08] <popey> it's only my ssh end point though
[23:08] <bigcalm> 22gb used on my parent's viglen
[23:08] <bigcalm> Hummz
[23:09] <popey> vigeln is ide
[23:09] <bigcalm> Poo
[23:09] <popey> heh
[23:11] <bigcalm> Can you tell Steam to use a drive other than C: yet?
[23:12] <hamitron> I wish you could tell it a different drive to backup local files to :/
[23:12] <hamitron> without mounting a drive on the backup folder
[23:14] <popey> no idea
[23:36] <directhex> popey: the agility 3 is an excellent drive, but 30gb won't go far
[23:36] <popey> true enough
[23:36] <popey> for / should be fine?