| gamerchick02 | welp. gonna be sticking with the open-source drivers. | 00:34 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_ | yay?! | 00:35 |
| gamerchick02 | well, considering they don't spike my cpu up to insane amounts, i guess. | 00:36 |
| gamerchick02 | though cleaning my fan seemed to help a little bit. | 00:36 |
| snap-l | Is this with Unity? | 00:42 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah. | 00:43 |
| gamerchick02 | i've had an issue with the binary driver since Natty beta | 00:43 |
| gamerchick02 | switched to the OS one, and it works. except for games, but other than torcs, i don't play resource heavy games. | 00:44 |
| gamerchick02 | and i can get torcs for windows. | 00:44 |
| snap-l | YOu might wnat to check the vsync setting | 00:59 |
| snap-l | I had to turn it off to get any kind of performance on my machine. | 00:59 |
| gamerchick02 | vsync? | 01:00 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm running a dual monitor setup | 01:00 |
| gamerchick02 | ok | 01:04 |
| gamerchick02 | i'll download the new driver and futz with it tomorrow | 01:04 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm off for some TV | 01:04 |
| gamerchick02 | this is making my head hurt | 01:04 |
| gamerchick02 | later! | 01:04 |
| greg-g | formatting a 2 tb harddrive takes a long time! | 01:06 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: hah, I bet | 01:13 |
| greg-g | but it'll be so nice when I have 2tb in RAID 1 | 01:17 |
| rick_h_ | fancy! | 01:20 |
| greg-g | yeah, so excited | 01:21 |
| greg-g | kind of a bday present to myself | 01:21 |
| snap-l | So how many drives? | 01:23 |
| greg-g | two 2tb | 01:24 |
| snap-l | Ah, very nice. | 01:24 |
| rick_h_ | mpiccinato: https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/extensions/chrome_ext/lib/bookie.api.js | 01:38 |
| rick_h_ | https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/templates/mobile_wrap.mako#L39 | 01:45 |
| greg-g | cool, bookie handles big/complex mediawiki pages well in readable: https://bmark.us/bmark/readable/181e600e18af28 | 01:47 |
| rick_h_ | awesome! :) | 01:48 |
| greg-g | g'morn | 11:13 |
| rick_h_ | party party | 11:36 |
| _stink_ | morning | 12:07 |
| bmcmahon | gah detroit public officials never seem to come off as a genuine or intelligent when they get interviewed on npr | 12:08 |
| === bmcmahon is now known as nullspace | ||
| _stink_ | heh | 12:09 |
| snap-l | Which ones? City Council is proof that committees sink to the lowest levels of intelligence | 12:25 |
| snap-l | I swear if they gave each of them a bucket full of poo, they'd be flingig it in no time. | 12:25 |
| snap-l | Also, Good morning | 12:34 |
| jrwren | greg-g: nice 2 - 2TB... I have mind in LVM with some mirror and some nonmirror | 13:22 |
| snap-l | Wondering if I should get some more 2TB drives and do the same | 13:23 |
| snap-l | my only concern is heat buildup | 13:23 |
| snap-l | MB Temperature: +58.0°C (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C) | 13:23 |
| snap-l | That's with two drives with fans blowing directly over them | 13:24 |
| * ColonelPanic001 starts catching up on openmetalcast | 13:26 | |
| snap-l | ColonelPanic001: \m/ | 13:29 |
| snap-l | and send me your Big 4 of CC metal as well | 13:29 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I don't keep up enough to know :\ | 13:34 |
| ColonelPanic001 | if any come to mind, though, will-do | 13:34 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I ought to listen to music more at work. Got out of the habit | 13:34 |
| snap-l | No worries | 13:34 |
| snap-l | Mostly I want to know what your big discoveries were | 13:35 |
| snap-l | (trying to build a community of CC-metal) | 13:35 |
| greg-g | jrwren: yeah, this enclosure I got has a "SAFE33" and "SAFE50" setting where 33/50% of the space is RAID1 while the rest is not | 13:35 |
| greg-g | snap-l: yeah, I don't have that worry since I don't use a desktop anymore, this is an enlosure | 13:36 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Ah, you got an external enclosure | 13:36 |
| snap-l | Good deal | 13:36 |
| jrwren | O_O interesting. | 13:36 |
| jrwren | what kind of enclosure? | 13:36 |
| greg-g | jrwren: http://www.sansdigital.com/mobilestor/ms2utnplusb.html | 13:36 |
| snap-l | Aw, it's cute. | 13:36 |
| greg-g | :) | 13:36 |
| snap-l | 3.5 or 2.5? | 13:37 |
| * snap-l reads 3.5 | 13:37 | |
| snap-l | Supports Windows, Linux, and MAC OS X. | 13:38 |
| jrwren | did you look at synology? | 13:39 |
| jrwren | oh, you attach to this thing with esata? cool. | 13:39 |
| greg-g | nope, didn't see synology. I kind of gave up on the NAS as I just really need an as-needed connection | 13:40 |
| jrwren | anyone have joe landman's email address? his blog and business website are down. | 13:51 |
| jrwren | or... can anyone else get to scalableinformatics.com or scalability.org ? | 13:52 |
| rick_h_ | loads here | 13:52 |
| rick_h_ | scalability.org that is | 13:53 |
| jrwren | ok, my end then. | 13:54 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: can you help me out with a vim map command? | 13:55 |
| jrwren | I've had this line in my vimrc copied from someone for years. | 13:55 |
| jrwren | map ,ic oif ()<ENTER>{<ENTER><Tab><ENTER>}<Esc>3k4li | 13:55 |
| jrwren | never knew how ot invoke it. | 13:55 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Throwing your hat into a @bkuhn conversation. Brave man. :) | 13:55 |
| rick_h_ | so guessing they used , as leader? | 13:56 |
| rick_h_ | yea, just ,ic in a row will match it and run it | 13:57 |
| rick_h_ | builds an if() block it looks like | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | snipmate ftw vs that for sure | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | have to be in command mode for it to work | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | but builds if, and moves cursor back to the () part | 13:59 |
| jrwren | that is what I thought, but I can't get it to run in command or insert mode :( | 14:00 |
| rick_h_ | well map is only command, runs here for me when I try it out | 14:00 |
| rick_h_ | just as comma i c | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | have to hit it in a hurry to get it to fire | 14:01 |
| jrwren | ok, now in 1 vim it does. | 14:01 |
| jrwren | maybe... | 14:01 |
| jrwren | ok... i was doing something wrong. thanks. | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | if I have double keys I usually try to use the same key | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | ,cc is my close quickfix and ,c to open it etc | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, snipmate works in insert mode and can do some nice fancy templating like that | 14:02 |
| rick_h_ | and you can provide multiple points to enter text in the template | 14:02 |
| jrwren | cool, i'll check out snipmate | 14:15 |
| gamerchick02 | Ok. Updated my driver manually from the alpha ppa (I grabbed the driver version I needed from a list). Updated and everything looks decently swell, except for the fact that my standard vga cable now doesn't work. i'm using a HDMI converter... SDHC or something to HDMI. It's a big white port on the back of my monitor. | 14:45 |
| rick_h_ | dvi probably | 14:46 |
| gamerchick02 | I'm watching top closely to see if xorg runs away with my cpu. right now gwibber is eating it for lunch, but that happens every so often. | 14:46 |
| gamerchick02 | thanks, rick_h_ | 14:46 |
| gamerchick02 | i can't remember what it's called | 14:46 |
| gamerchick02 | but everything works swell in windows 7. | 14:46 |
| gamerchick02 | gotta hand it to the devs on 7; they made using a second monitor easy peasy. not so much with binary drivers in ubuntu. | 14:47 |
| jrwren | use windows7! :) | 14:47 |
| gamerchick02 | moral of the story? clean your fan, update your drivers (even if manually) and switch out cables before you have an aneurism. | 14:48 |
| gamerchick02 | for games. i can't be a gamerchick without it. :-P | 14:48 |
| gamerchick02 | also, i'm still begging for jobs. if i say i can't use windows, they'll look at me like i grew 47 heads in front of them | 14:48 |
| gamerchick02 | and promptly skip over my application. | 14:48 |
| greg-g | snap-l: re @bkhun, I just think limiting blog comments to identi.ca is short sighted and not useful, especially for an important issue like the harmony agreements | 14:56 |
| snap-l | Well, he has a point for centralized discussion | 14:58 |
| snap-l | even if he's being an ass about how he's presenting it | 14:58 |
| * greg-g nods | 14:59 | |
| jcastro | snap-l: I'm in outloud.fm/UbuntuAllstars | 15:34 |
| jcastro | I think all the cool kids are on turntable.fm | 15:34 |
| snap-l | jcastro: No, you're not. | 15:52 |
| jcastro | http://turntable.fm/ubuntuallstars | 15:52 |
| jcastro | ok | 15:52 |
| jcastro | jill signed in for me | 15:52 |
| jcastro | dude this is way better | 15:52 |
| snap-l | jcastro: That's great. I don't have Facebook | 15:52 |
| snap-l | And I have about a 0% chance of using Facebook | 15:53 |
| brousch | snap-l: you need a fake FB account | 15:55 |
| jcastro | snap-l: heh, same problem | 15:55 |
| snap-l | No, folks need to use OpenID like grownups. | 15:55 |
| jcastro | yes well, I am the choir, no need to preach | 15:57 |
| snap-l | I practice OSS. I must preach | 15:57 |
| Wolfger | Soon, these services will allow a G+ sign-in (I hope) | 16:03 |
| Wolfger | :-) | 16:03 |
| Wolfger | Google can single-handedly fix teh interwebs | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: https://twitter.com/#!/jeresig | 16:10 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, https://twitter.com/#!/jeresig/status/88996931069685762 | 16:10 |
| snap-l | Anyone in here fluent in Spanish? | 16:19 |
| brousch | translate.google.com | 16:20 |
| _stink_ | haha | 16:20 |
| snap-l | No, I mean audio-wise. | 16:20 |
| snap-l | I have a sample that I want vetted | 16:20 |
| brousch | i just got called a zealot for using linux | 16:25 |
| brousch | snap-l: i'm not sure what that makes you | 16:25 |
| snap-l | AWesome? :) | 16:26 |
| snap-l | Oh, wait, that's all the time. ;) | 16:26 |
| brousch | my reply: If choosing freedom over shackles, free over costly, and community over bureaucracy makes a zealot, then I gladly accept the label | 16:27 |
| _stink_ | that is *exactly* what a zealot would say. | 16:27 |
| brousch | hehe | 16:38 |
| brousch | Ah, crap, I forgot about that. I'm retiring an Ubuntu 6.06 server and it has a MySQL instance that's been running untouched for probably 4 years. | 16:43 |
| brousch | I use a Java program I wrote to dump data from ODBC into it twice a day. It's been so reliable I forgot it existed. | 16:44 |
| jrwren | 6.06??? wtf??? | 16:44 |
| Wolfger | brousch: zealotry isn't about the choices you make, it's about how you comport yourself | 16:44 |
| brousch | jrwren: Well it only went out of support last month ;) | 16:45 |
| Wolfger | and as _stink_ pointed out, that was kinda a zealotrous answer | 16:45 |
| Wolfger | and yes, zealotrous is a word. I just used it, didn't I? ;-) | 16:45 |
| brousch | Zealatenous | 16:46 |
| Wolfger | oh now you're just making shit up XD | 16:47 |
| rick_h_ | lol "how do you debug JS in IE these days?" | 17:00 |
| rick_h_ | "ummm, using the crappy IE8 dev tools" | 17:00 |
| rick_h_ | "oh, hadn't seen these before" | 17:00 |
| rick_h_ | <3 | 17:01 |
| gamerchick02 | it was good while it lasted. | 17:16 |
| gamerchick02 | xorg is now running from 50% to 100% CPU. goddamnit. | 17:17 |
| rick_h_ | ruh roh | 17:17 |
| gamerchick02 | why the everloving hell won't the damned binary drivers just FUCKING WORK?!?!?!?!?! | 17:17 |
| gamerchick02 | *rage rage rage* | 17:17 |
| gamerchick02 | i've got a g105m in this pangolian. | 17:19 |
| gamerchick02 | other than xorg eating my cpu after 4 hours, it runs just fine. | 17:19 |
| gamerchick02 | I've been having this problem ever since i started running the natty beta. i have to keep reverting to the open-source ones. which are fine, but kind of run like crap. | 17:21 |
| gamerchick02 | snap-l what was that setting you were talking about last night? | 17:23 |
| snap-l | vsync | 17:23 |
| gamerchick02 | ok | 17:24 |
| gamerchick02 | 81C? NO FUCKING WAY. this should not be running that hot. | 17:24 |
| gamerchick02 | sync to vblank? | 17:24 |
| gamerchick02 | is that it? | 17:24 |
| gamerchick02 | i don't have a vsync, snap-l, but i have "sync to vblank" | 17:26 |
| snap-l | Yeah, turn that off | 17:26 |
| snap-l | Might help things a bit | 17:27 |
| snap-l | otherwise the GPU waits for the screen to redraw | 17:27 |
| jrwren | IE9 dev tools you mean? | 17:27 |
| gamerchick02 | ok | 17:27 |
| gamerchick02 | do i need to do a reboot for that to take effect? | 17:27 |
| snap-l | Shouldn't need to | 17:27 |
| jrwren | gamerchick02: wait... its a system76 that is acting weird? call them for support! that is why you buy system76 :) | 17:28 |
| gamerchick02 | it's way way way past warranty | 17:28 |
| jrwren | pan5 ? | 17:28 |
| gamerchick02 | and yes, this is a pangolian | 17:28 |
| gamerchick02 | yes. | 17:28 |
| jrwren | that is waht I have... but I run windows :) | 17:28 |
| gamerchick02 | well, i dual boot. | 17:28 |
| jrwren | you still might ask in the forums. they could probably tell you if certain nv revisions are better than others. | 17:29 |
| gamerchick02 | snap-l, there's also something called "allow flipping" under open gl. | 17:29 |
| jrwren | like maybe g105m sucks with nvidia drivers xxxx but is ok with yyyy | 17:29 |
| gamerchick02 | i've kind of been talking to myself in a thread. | 17:29 |
| gamerchick02 | my computer's totally slowed down to a crawl so getting FF up will be impossible. | 17:29 |
| snap-l | gamerchick02: Not sure what that would do | 17:30 |
| gamerchick02 | i updated to the most recent driver off of the alpha ppa and i have better and longer use now than i did before | 17:30 |
| gamerchick02 | i'll disable it. | 17:30 |
| gamerchick02 | ok, disabled sync to vblank and disallowed flipping. | 17:31 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm going to reboot regardless because this speed is impossible to use. and 81C for my gpu? really? shouldn't be getting that hot. | 17:32 |
| gamerchick02 | bbiab | 17:32 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: ping | 17:33 |
| rick_h_ | what version of chrome do you run on windows? | 17:33 |
| jrwren | pong | 17:33 |
| jrwren | i don't get a choice do i? | 17:33 |
| jrwren | chrome just updates itself. | 17:33 |
| jrwren | so, 12 I guess | 17:33 |
| snap-l | OK, Jason Calacanis is following me on Twitter. | 17:33 |
| rick_h_ | right, but stable, beta, dev branches | 17:33 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: the superstar | 17:34 |
| jrwren | stable | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | k | 17:34 |
| jrwren | i have no need for anything else. I only use chrome as my flash enabled browser. I still use firefox primarily | 17:34 |
| snap-l | He's also following 75000 other folks, so I'm thinking he's not really following me. | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: what version of chrome is on your windows machine? | 17:35 |
| rick_h_ | beta/dev/stable? | 17:35 |
| snap-l | Believe Stable (12.0.742.112) | 17:35 |
| rick_h_ | man, you guys are wimps :P | 17:36 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: It's a work machine. I'm not pushing it. ;) | 17:36 |
| gamerchick02 | well, 71C is better than 81C, but it's not anywhere near the 61 I was getting before. | 17:37 |
| gamerchick02 | my fan doesn't sound like it's about to make my laptop take off. that can only be good. | 17:38 |
| jrwren | why would'nt I run stable? | 17:38 |
| jrwren | i have zero use for any new features anyway. | 17:38 |
| gamerchick02 | jwren: to test! | 17:38 |
| gamerchick02 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1798769 that's my forums thread. | 17:39 |
| gamerchick02 | about this issue. | 17:39 |
| gamerchick02 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11023425#post11023425 update. i'm talking to myself in this thread. i'll be sent to the crazy house soon. | 17:46 |
| snap-l | http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/07/7-reasons-to-use-java.html | 17:54 |
| snap-l | I called out #2 on this list as bullshit | 17:54 |
| snap-l | "@edd Seriously? IDEs do not take the pain of Java away; they mask it like anesthetic. Eventually it wears off, and the pain is still there." | 17:55 |
| gamerchick02 | lol, snap-l | 17:56 |
| gamerchick02 | and unchecking those bits seems to be helping A LOT with my slowdown woes. | 17:56 |
| gamerchick02 | thank you, snap-l. i appreciate it. | 17:57 |
| snap-l | "@edd And the other "reasons" for using Java (Everybody's doing it, and eventually you will too) are cop-outs.Peer-pressure is not a feature" | 17:58 |
| snap-l | gamerchick02: No problem | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | meh, using tools that exist is good if you need them | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | I mean, solr == java, if I want the best fulltext, I'll do java and use solr | 17:58 |
| gamerchick02 | peer pressure is not a feature. if i succumbed to peer pressure, i'd probably be smoking right now. | 17:58 |
| gamerchick02 | hah. | 17:58 |
| gamerchick02 | i've never done anything in java. | 17:59 |
| gamerchick02 | to me java is coffee. mmmmmm... coffee | 17:59 |
| gamerchick02 | i managed to suffer through one semester of PASCAL which was a total waste of my time. | 17:59 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: That's different. Using Java because it's useful for a task is sane | 17:59 |
| snap-l | It's like saying that crack is great because other people use crack | 18:01 |
| rick_h_ | it's like saying "eventually everyone needs to get rid of some crack, so make sure you know how to use it" | 18:01 |
| rick_h_ | thus java | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | eventually you'll want to hadoop, solr, jenkins something | 18:02 |
| gamerchick02 | say no to crack. | 18:02 |
| gamerchick02 | wow, now that my computer is behaving, i feel more zen | 18:03 |
| jrwren | java is dead. | 18:09 |
| jrwren | adopting java is like adopting cobol. | 18:09 |
| rick_h_ | long live the JVM! | 18:09 |
| jrwren | only you get oracle suing you if you do something too cool with it. | 18:10 |
| jrwren | hey... what is wrong with PASCAL??? :) | 18:10 |
| jrwren | truth about solr and lucene though. | 18:11 |
| jrwren | and hadoop and jenkins. | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | twitter is getting rewritten in it | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | you know it's all over google | 18:11 |
| jrwren | yup | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | it's not dead yet for sure | 18:11 |
| jrwren | netflix is largely java | 18:12 |
| snap-l | Java is great glue | 18:12 |
| snap-l | just like COBOL | 18:12 |
| jrwren | glue? | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | psh, it's currently being used to replace the glue | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | it's the workhorse | 18:12 |
| jrwren | those things rick_h_ mentioned are not glue, they are the system. | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | yea, there's a reason I keep coming back to really needing to go back and relearn some java | 18:13 |
| jrwren | nah, don't learn it. | 18:13 |
| snap-l | OK, not glue, but rather int he infrastructure | 18:13 |
| jrwren | i mean, maybe enough to read it when you need it. | 18:13 |
| jrwren | but not write it. | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | how else to write for android? | 18:14 |
| jrwren | oh. | 18:14 |
| jrwren | true. | 18:14 |
| rick_h_ | or a solr parser plugin | 18:14 |
| jrwren | scala for that :) | 18:14 |
| Blazeix | I'm curious about the lambda expression support coming to java | 18:14 |
| Blazeix | I love the support that C# has for it | 18:14 |
| snap-l | I'm sure it'll be as useful as Regex in Java | 18:14 |
| gamerchick02 | jwren, i'm a mechanical engineer. pascal was painfully boring for me. it literally made me cry because I didn't get it. | 18:15 |
| snap-l | ie: a tacked-on hacky mess. | 18:15 |
| rick_h_ | yea? I mean I find myself using lambdas in python more than before, but still not that often | 18:15 |
| brousch | android: phonegap | 18:15 |
| gamerchick02 | i've never had a class make me cry out of frustration. | 18:15 |
| jrwren | depends on what you were trying to do with the pascal, i guess. | 18:16 |
| jrwren | you a matlab guru? | 18:16 |
| rick_h_ | I'm getting disillusioned after using jquery mobile | 18:16 |
| rick_h_ | as much as I want to believe in web on mobile... | 18:16 |
| jrwren | I'd hate to use java after using C#. its large steps backwards. | 18:16 |
| snap-l | Turbo Pascal was pretty slick | 18:16 |
| gamerchick02 | jwren, only for system modelling. and i haven't touched it since 2004 so... | 18:16 |
| jrwren | as for regex? what is wrong with regex in java? | 18:17 |
| snap-l | It's not first-class? | 18:17 |
| jrwren | how is it not first-class? no language support? all library? | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | it's all class! | 18:17 |
| snap-l | It's a library | 18:17 |
| snap-l | http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/regex/test_harness.html | 18:17 |
| jrwren | C# has no regex support in language, but I love the .NET regex library | 18:17 |
| jrwren | pattern and matcher objects are different than .NET's Regex and Matches objects. | 18:19 |
| jrwren | interesting difference. | 18:19 |
| jrwren | I can do things with .NET Regex that I don't know how to do with perl re. .NET regex is a lot like python re AFAICT | 18:21 |
| jrwren | oh nevermind... I can while (m/blah/) in perl... same thing. | 18:21 |
| snap-l | ;) | 18:22 |
| snap-l | Perl is the swiss-army chainsaw when it comes to regex | 18:22 |
| snap-l | I think you could probably build Twitter out of Perl's regex | 18:22 |
| jrwren | lol | 18:23 |
| jrwren | or any similar regex. | 18:23 |
| jrwren | but they are also SSLLOOWW :( | 18:23 |
| snap-l | http://www.infoq.com/articles/twitter-java-use | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | ok, everyone ready for today's "Daily stupid thing from NC Dude!!!" ? | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/0cjGS2Fs5JIi0pk5AI1u/ | 18:24 |
| jrwren | RDY? | 18:24 |
| jrwren | OK | 18:24 |
| snap-l | I love these stories about how such and such company is migrating from blah blah | 18:24 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: its probably good advise to not use "return" like that :) | 18:25 |
| snap-l | and the blah blah haters all trumpet that it's because blah blah sucks and froo froo is awesome. | 18:25 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: you think? lol | 18:25 |
| rick_h_ | crap, I better rewrite some code | 18:25 |
| snap-l | What the fuck? | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | what's funny is I've had to get him to fix code that used list = xxx.query() | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | dude, in python list() is a function | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | len = xxx | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | nope, that's a functino as well...quit using those varaible names | 18:26 |
| jrwren | hahaha... redefining list... and len... awesome. | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | this time he got bit. So that's why he needed an IE JS debug tool | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | *sigh* | 18:26 |
| snap-l | Granted, you caught me doing that as well | 18:27 |
| snap-l | but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't use list = ... | 18:27 |
| jrwren | any IE or specific IE? | 18:30 |
| jrwren | i like the comments by Matt in that infoq article. | 18:30 |
| jrwren | I don't recall the last time I read an infoq article that was worth reading. | 18:31 |
| gamerchick02 | IE is evil. | 18:31 |
| gamerchick02 | (i don't have anything to contribute to this discussion but that. :-P ) | 18:31 |
| jrwren | IE9 and greater are actually OK. | 18:33 |
| jrwren | i mean, yes, deficient in some areas, but at least they render and support reasonable CSS | 18:33 |
| jrwren | and now you can say "upgrade your IE" instead of trying to support shite IE6 | 18:33 |
| jrwren | so you can just target FF or chrome and if it doesn't work in IE... oh well! upgrade your IE! :) | 18:33 |
| gamerchick02 | good point, jwren. | 18:34 |
| gamerchick02 | but i still prefer firefox or chrome(ium) | 18:34 |
| jrwren | FF FTW! | 18:36 |
| jrwren | I've never heard of a "Personal Media Player" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855334001&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-55-334-001-_-Product | 18:37 |
| jrwren | weird. | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: well this was IE8 that he was debugging/etc in | 18:39 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I think it's just a brain-dead tablet. | 18:39 |
| gamerchick02 | it's like a large form psp without the gaming ability. | 18:42 |
| gamerchick02 | hah. | 18:42 |
| jrwren | not a tablet, no network | 18:45 |
| rick_h_ | not even wifi? | 18:45 |
| jrwren | no | 18:46 |
| rick_h_ | then throw it away | 18:47 |
| rick_h_ | it's useless | 18:47 |
| gamerchick02 | it's basically a portable media watcher | 18:48 |
| jrwren | agreed | 18:48 |
| jrwren | its like an Archos of 7 years ago. | 18:50 |
| brousch | jrwren: we have something like that for the car | 18:56 |
| gamerchick02 | hah. yeah. | 18:56 |
| brousch | i rip stuff to a particular format, put it on SD, and my son can watch it in the car | 18:56 |
| jrwren | interesting. | 18:57 |
| brousch | the one i have is pretty durable and came with a car power adapter and sleeve to mount it behind a seat | 18:58 |
| brousch | you can't get them any more, not that you'd want something with a 7" screen 480x272 | 18:59 |
| jrwren | depends on viewing distance, i would think. | 19:00 |
| brousch | it does DVDs, or have to rip to mpeg2 video with mp2 audio | 19:00 |
| brousch | also it uses a tiny bit more power than it draws, so the battery runs out after about 90 minutes | 19:01 |
| rick_h_ | tiny bit? sounds like a lot more power than it draws to die in 90min | 19:03 |
| brousch | it is old | 19:05 |
| brousch | batter probably lasts 20mins on its own | 19:05 |
| rick_h_ | wow | 19:05 |
| brousch | there are reaons you can't get them any more ;) | 19:07 |
| brousch | ohman, one more reason for rick_h_ to move back to Apple http://onethingwell.org/post/7341797630/vitunes | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | hah, do like the idea of searching through my music with / | 19:25 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: ummm wow to that twitter post | 19:28 |
| rick_h_ | seattle! https://twitter.com/#!/garybernhardt/status/89053258647216129 | 19:29 |
| jrwren | the security one? | 19:30 |
| jrwren | bad battery. | 19:31 |
| jrwren | my MBA lasts 10hrs :) | 19:31 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, the security one | 19:31 |
| rick_h_ | now you've got me started reading these ugh | 19:31 |
| rick_h_ | http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/2986/looking-for-example-of-well-known-app-using-unsalted-hashes | 19:31 |
| jrwren | security stack exchange is SWEET | 19:31 |
| jrwren | oh now that vimtunes is cool. | 19:31 |
| rick_h_ | 9/10 ? are all about hashing passwords ugh | 19:32 |
| jrwren | its a little nerdy.... yes.. | 19:32 |
| rick_h_ | did you listen to the last lococast? | 19:33 |
| rick_h_ | it's half our episode lol | 19:33 |
| rick_h_ | man snap-l, now everywhere I look I see password hashing | 19:34 |
| rick_h_ | it's like buying a new car, suddenly you start noticing them everywhere | 19:34 |
| jrwren | I did not. | 19:34 |
| jrwren | I didn't see it. | 19:34 |
| jrwren | i'll listen. | 19:34 |
| rick_h_ | http://lococast.net/archives/503 | 19:34 |
| gamerchick02 | i liked the password ep. i have to reboot, slowdown and general annoyance. | 19:34 |
| gamerchick02 | bbiab | 19:35 |
| gamerchick02 | there. | 19:54 |
| gamerchick02 | nouveau activated. | 19:55 |
| _stink_ | heh, i did the same nouveau/nvidia/nv swaperoo with my work desktop a year or so ago. | 20:02 |
| _stink_ | settled on nvidia. | 20:02 |
| _stink_ | closed. :/ | 20:02 |
| gamerchick02 | the binary drivers aren't working for me. | 20:06 |
| gamerchick02 | well, they work for awhile, then i have to shut down, cool off, and reboot. | 20:06 |
| brousch | system76 won't help you out? | 20:06 |
| gamerchick02 | i haven't called them. i wanted to fix it on my own. | 20:07 |
| gamerchick02 | i haven't heard anything from my thread; i'll wait and see if it gets resolved that way. | 20:07 |
| brousch | the only reason i would buy from them or zareason is to get actual support for this kind of thing | 20:07 |
| gamerchick02 | yeah, good point. if i don't hear anything from them on the forum by tomorrow or monday, i'll give them a call | 20:08 |
| gamerchick02 | my laptop is way out of warranty though. | 20:09 |
| brousch | i think of warantee as hardware. i would expect them to have some help for this issue | 20:11 |
| gamerchick02 | hrm. ok. thanks. | 20:11 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm just used to most places where it's "you're on your own" | 20:11 |
| brousch | but you bought system76 because it's the only place where you're not | 20:12 |
| gamerchick02 | yes. | 20:12 |
| gamerchick02 | we'll see what happens with the forum first. | 20:13 |
| jrwren | when i said forum, i meant a system76 forum :) | 20:14 |
| gamerchick02 | i really want this to be publicly fixed so if someone else has the same problem, they can search on it and find it. | 20:14 |
| gamerchick02 | the ubuntu forum, system76 sub-folder thing. | 20:14 |
| gamerchick02 | that's where i do ALL of my searching and hanging out now. | 20:14 |
| gamerchick02 | i don't even go to the other places on the forum. | 20:14 |
| nullspace | I;ll give 11.04, I like the scroll bars | 20:27 |
| brousch | i find them annoying | 20:31 |
| brousch | if the page is really long it's hard to grab them | 20:31 |
| snap-l | brousch: ++ | 20:32 |
| gamerchick02 | scroll wheel. | 20:35 |
| gamerchick02 | bars are so 2001. | 20:36 |
| gamerchick02 | :-P | 20:36 |
| brousch | scroll wheels are least effective on very long pages, which is also where the new scroll bars are most annoying | 20:36 |
| gamerchick02 | ah | 20:37 |
| snap-l | brousch: ++ | 20:38 |
| brousch | creative commons metal is the second best music in the world, after Rush | 20:39 |
| jrwren | ++ | 20:39 |
| snap-l | brousch: ++ | 20:39 |
| jrwren | two finger scrolling. | 20:39 |
| gamerchick02 | i've never had that. | 20:39 |
| brousch | my dell has edge of the touchpad scrolling | 20:40 |
| jrwren | i hate that compared to two finger. | 20:40 |
| gamerchick02 | i like the edge touchpad scrolling. my pangolian and my netbook do | 20:41 |
| jrwren | but yes, my pan5 has side and bottom scroll. everything in last 5+ yrs has that I think. | 20:41 |
| brousch | i miss the mbp gestures and scrolling | 20:41 |
| gamerchick02 | ah | 20:42 |
| jrwren | me too | 20:56 |
| brousch | with the apple, i could keep one finger firmly planted in my nose while i gestured my way across the internet. natty has a bunch of keyboard shortcuts that require both hands | 20:57 |
| _stink_ | keep the faith, fellow nosepicker | 21:01 |
| gamerchick02 | brousch, that really made me laugh | 21:02 |
| gamerchick02 | thank you. i've had a frustrating day with these drivers. and that... that... just broke a smile across my face | 21:02 |
| snap-l | brousch: you guys ok out there? | 23:35 |
| snap-l | sounds like there was a shooting in GR | 23:35 |
| rick_h_ | ruh roh | 23:40 |
| gamerchick02 | really? where? | 23:49 |
| rick_h_ | mmm, audible books | 23:56 |
| rick_h_ | audible sale, time to stock up perhaps | 23:56 |
| jrwren | gamerchick02: how is the battery life on your pan5? | 23:56 |
| jrwren | how old is your pan5? mine will be 2 yrs old in Oct. | 23:56 |
| gamerchick02 | battery is fine at 1.5 hours, but i don't use it at all | 23:57 |
| jrwren | *sigh* | 23:57 |
| jrwren | i guess i got a bad bat. | 23:57 |
| gamerchick02 | it's plugged into the wall. the battery sits on the shelf | 23:57 |
| gamerchick02 | i think i got it in June 09. | 23:58 |
| gamerchick02 | so just more then 2 years. | 23:58 |
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