[00:34] <gamerchick02> welp. gonna be sticking with the open-source drivers.
[00:35] <rick_h_> yay?!
[00:36] <gamerchick02> well, considering they don't spike my cpu up to insane amounts, i guess.
[00:36] <gamerchick02> though cleaning my fan seemed to help a little bit.
[00:42] <snap-l> Is this with Unity?
[00:43] <gamerchick02> yeah.
[00:43] <gamerchick02> i've had an issue with the binary driver since Natty beta
[00:44] <gamerchick02> switched to the OS one, and it works. except for games, but other than torcs, i don't play resource heavy games.
[00:44] <gamerchick02> and i can get torcs for windows.
[00:59] <snap-l> YOu might wnat to check the vsync setting
[00:59] <snap-l> I had to turn it off to get any kind of performance on my machine.
[01:00] <gamerchick02> vsync?
[01:00] <gamerchick02> i'm running a dual monitor setup
[01:04] <gamerchick02> ok
[01:04] <gamerchick02> i'll download the new driver and futz with it tomorrow
[01:04] <gamerchick02> i'm off for some TV
[01:04] <gamerchick02> this is making my head hurt
[01:04] <gamerchick02> later!
[01:06] <greg-g> formatting a 2 tb harddrive takes a long time!
[01:13] <rick_h_> greg-g: hah, I bet
[01:17] <greg-g> but it'll be so nice when I have 2tb in RAID 1
[01:20] <rick_h_> fancy!
[01:21] <greg-g> yeah, so excited
[01:21] <greg-g> kind of a bday present to myself
[01:23] <snap-l> So how many drives?
[01:24] <greg-g> two 2tb
[01:24] <snap-l> Ah, very nice.
[01:38] <rick_h_> mpiccinato: https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/extensions/chrome_ext/lib/bookie.api.js
[01:45] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/templates/mobile_wrap.mako#L39
[01:47] <greg-g> cool, bookie handles big/complex mediawiki pages well in readable: https://bmark.us/bmark/readable/181e600e18af28
[01:48] <rick_h_> awesome! :)
[11:13] <greg-g> g'morn
[11:36] <rick_h_> party party
[12:07] <_stink_> morning
[12:08] <bmcmahon> gah detroit public officials never seem to come off as a genuine or intelligent when they get interviewed on npr
[12:09] <_stink_> heh
[12:25] <snap-l> Which ones? City Council is proof that committees sink to the lowest levels of intelligence
[12:25] <snap-l> I swear if they gave each of them a bucket full of poo, they'd be flingig it in no time.
[12:34] <snap-l> Also, Good morning
[13:22] <jrwren> greg-g: nice 2 - 2TB... I have mind in LVM with some mirror and some nonmirror
[13:23] <snap-l> Wondering if I should get some more 2TB drives and do the same
[13:23] <snap-l> my only concern is heat buildup
[13:23] <snap-l> MB Temperature:    +58.0°C  (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C)
[13:24] <snap-l> That's with two drives with fans blowing directly over them
[13:26]  * ColonelPanic001 starts catching up on openmetalcast
[13:29] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: \m/
[13:29] <snap-l> and send me your Big 4 of CC metal as well
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> I don't keep up enough to know :\
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> if any come to mind, though, will-do
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> I ought to listen to music more at work. Got out of the habit
[13:34] <snap-l> No worries
[13:35] <snap-l> Mostly I want to know what your big discoveries were
[13:35] <snap-l> (trying to build a community of CC-metal)
[13:35] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, this enclosure I got has a "SAFE33" and "SAFE50" setting where 33/50% of the space is RAID1 while the rest is not
[13:36] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, I don't have that worry since I don't use a desktop anymore, this is an enlosure
[13:36] <snap-l> greg-g: Ah, you got an external enclosure
[13:36] <snap-l> Good deal
[13:36] <jrwren> O_O interesting.
[13:36] <jrwren> what kind of enclosure?
[13:36] <greg-g> jrwren: http://www.sansdigital.com/mobilestor/ms2utnplusb.html
[13:36] <snap-l> Aw, it's cute.
[13:36] <greg-g> :)
[13:37] <snap-l> 3.5 or 2.5?
[13:37]  * snap-l reads 3.5
[13:38] <snap-l> Supports Windows, Linux, and MAC OS X.
[13:39] <jrwren> did you look at synology?
[13:39] <jrwren> oh, you attach to this thing with esata? cool.
[13:40] <greg-g> nope, didn't see synology. I kind of gave up on the NAS as I just really need an as-needed connection
[13:51] <jrwren> anyone have joe landman's email address? his blog and business website are down.
[13:52] <jrwren> or... can anyone else get to scalableinformatics.com or scalability.org ?
[13:52] <rick_h_> loads here
[13:53] <rick_h_> scalability.org that is
[13:54] <jrwren> ok, my end then.
[13:55] <jrwren> rick_h_: can you help me out with a vim map command?
[13:55] <jrwren> I've had this line in my vimrc copied from someone for years.
[13:55] <jrwren> map ,ic oif ()<ENTER>{<ENTER><Tab><ENTER>}<Esc>3k4li
[13:55] <jrwren> never knew how ot invoke it.
[13:55] <snap-l> greg-g: Throwing your hat into a @bkuhn conversation. Brave man. :)
[13:56] <rick_h_> so guessing they used , as leader?
[13:57] <rick_h_> yea, just ,ic in a row will match it and run it
[13:58] <rick_h_> builds an if() block it looks like
[13:58] <rick_h_> snipmate ftw vs that for sure
[13:58] <rick_h_> have to be in command mode for it to work
[13:59] <rick_h_> but builds if, and moves cursor back to the () part
[14:00] <jrwren> that is what I thought, but I can't get it to run in command or insert mode :(
[14:00] <rick_h_> well map is only command, runs here for me when I try it out
[14:01] <rick_h_> just as comma i c
[14:01] <rick_h_> have to hit it in a hurry to get it to fire
[14:01] <jrwren> ok, now in 1 vim it does.
[14:01] <jrwren> maybe...
[14:01] <jrwren> ok... i was doing something wrong. thanks.
[14:01] <rick_h_> if I have double keys I usually try to use the same key
[14:01] <rick_h_> ,cc is my close quickfix and ,c to open it etc
[14:02] <rick_h_> but yea, snipmate works in insert mode and can do some nice fancy templating like that
[14:02] <rick_h_> and you can provide multiple points to enter text in the template
[14:15] <jrwren> cool, i'll check out snipmate
[14:45] <gamerchick02> Ok. Updated my driver manually from the alpha ppa (I grabbed the driver version I needed from a list). Updated and everything looks decently swell, except for the fact that my standard vga cable now doesn't work. i'm using a HDMI converter... SDHC or something to HDMI. It's a big white port on the back of my monitor.
[14:46] <rick_h_> dvi probably
[14:46] <gamerchick02> I'm watching top closely to see if xorg runs away with my cpu. right now gwibber is eating it for lunch, but that happens every so often.
[14:46] <gamerchick02> thanks, rick_h_
[14:46] <gamerchick02> i can't remember what it's called
[14:46] <gamerchick02> but everything works swell in windows 7.
[14:47] <gamerchick02> gotta hand it to the devs on 7; they made using a second monitor easy peasy. not so much with binary drivers in ubuntu.
[14:47] <jrwren> use windows7! :)
[14:48] <gamerchick02> moral of the story? clean your fan, update your drivers (even if manually) and switch out cables before you have an aneurism.
[14:48] <gamerchick02> for games. i can't be a gamerchick without it. :-P
[14:48] <gamerchick02> also, i'm still begging for jobs. if i say i can't use windows, they'll look at me like i grew 47 heads in front of them
[14:48] <gamerchick02> and promptly skip over my application.
[14:56] <greg-g> snap-l: re @bkhun, I just think limiting blog comments to identi.ca is short sighted and not useful, especially for an important issue like the harmony agreements
[14:58] <snap-l> Well, he has a point for centralized discussion
[14:58] <snap-l> even if he's being an ass about how he's presenting it
[14:59]  * greg-g nods
[15:34] <jcastro> snap-l: I'm in outloud.fm/UbuntuAllstars
[15:34] <jcastro> I think all the cool kids are on turntable.fm
[15:52] <snap-l> jcastro: No, you're not.
[15:52] <jcastro> http://turntable.fm/ubuntuallstars
[15:52] <jcastro> ok
[15:52] <jcastro> jill signed in for me
[15:52] <jcastro> dude this is way better
[15:52] <snap-l> jcastro: That's great. I don't have Facebook
[15:53] <snap-l> And I have about a 0% chance of using Facebook
[15:55] <brousch> snap-l: you need a fake FB account
[15:55] <jcastro> snap-l: heh, same problem
[15:55] <snap-l> No, folks need to use OpenID like grownups.
[15:57] <jcastro> yes well, I am the choir, no need to preach
[15:57] <snap-l> I practice OSS. I must preach
[16:03] <Wolfger> Soon, these services will allow a G+ sign-in (I hope)
[16:03] <Wolfger> :-)
[16:04] <Wolfger> Google can single-handedly fix teh interwebs
[16:10] <rick_h_> greg-g: https://twitter.com/#!/jeresig
[16:10] <rick_h_> sorry, https://twitter.com/#!/jeresig/status/88996931069685762
[16:19] <snap-l> Anyone in here fluent in Spanish?
[16:20] <brousch> translate.google.com
[16:20] <_stink_> haha
[16:20] <snap-l> No, I mean audio-wise.
[16:20] <snap-l> I have a sample that I want vetted
[16:25] <brousch> i just got called a zealot for using linux
[16:25] <brousch> snap-l: i'm not sure what that makes you
[16:26] <snap-l> AWesome? :)
[16:26] <snap-l> Oh, wait, that's all the time. ;)
[16:27] <brousch> my reply: If choosing freedom over shackles, free over costly, and community over bureaucracy makes a zealot, then I gladly accept the label
[16:27] <_stink_> that is *exactly* what a zealot would say.
[16:38] <brousch> hehe
[16:43] <brousch> Ah, crap, I forgot about that. I'm retiring an Ubuntu 6.06 server and it has a MySQL instance that's been running untouched for probably 4 years.
[16:44] <brousch> I use a Java program I wrote to dump data from ODBC into it twice a day. It's been so reliable I forgot it existed.
[16:44] <jrwren> 6.06??? wtf???
[16:44] <Wolfger> brousch: zealotry isn't about the choices you make, it's about how you comport yourself
[16:45] <brousch> jrwren: Well it only went out of support last month ;)
[16:45] <Wolfger> and as _stink_ pointed out, that was kinda a zealotrous answer
[16:45] <Wolfger> and yes, zealotrous is a word. I just used it, didn't I? ;-)
[16:46] <brousch> Zealatenous
[16:47] <Wolfger> oh now you're just making shit up XD
[17:00] <rick_h_> lol "how do you debug JS in IE these days?"
[17:00] <rick_h_> "ummm, using the crappy IE8 dev tools"
[17:00] <rick_h_> "oh, hadn't seen these before"
[17:01] <rick_h_> <3
[17:16] <gamerchick02> it was good while it lasted.
[17:17] <gamerchick02> xorg is now running from 50% to 100% CPU. goddamnit.
[17:17] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[17:17] <gamerchick02> why the everloving hell won't the damned binary drivers just FUCKING WORK?!?!?!?!?!
[17:17] <gamerchick02> *rage rage rage*
[17:19] <gamerchick02> i've got a g105m in this pangolian.
[17:19] <gamerchick02> other than xorg eating my cpu after 4 hours, it runs just fine.
[17:21] <gamerchick02> I've been having this problem ever since i started running the natty beta. i have to keep reverting to the open-source ones. which are fine, but kind of run like crap.
[17:23] <gamerchick02> snap-l what was that setting you were talking about last night?
[17:23] <snap-l> vsync
[17:24] <gamerchick02> ok
[17:24] <gamerchick02> 81C? NO FUCKING WAY. this should not be running that hot.
[17:24] <gamerchick02> sync to vblank?
[17:24] <gamerchick02>  is that it?
[17:26] <gamerchick02> i don't have a vsync, snap-l, but i have "sync to vblank"
[17:26] <snap-l> Yeah, turn that off
[17:27] <snap-l> Might help things a bit
[17:27] <snap-l> otherwise the GPU waits for the screen to redraw
[17:27] <jrwren> IE9 dev tools you mean?
[17:27] <gamerchick02> ok
[17:27] <gamerchick02> do i need to do a reboot for that to take effect?
[17:27] <snap-l> Shouldn't need to
[17:28] <jrwren> gamerchick02: wait... its a system76 that is acting weird? call them for support! that is why you buy system76 :)
[17:28] <gamerchick02> it's way way way past warranty
[17:28] <jrwren> pan5 ?
[17:28] <gamerchick02> and yes, this is a pangolian
[17:28] <gamerchick02> yes.
[17:28] <jrwren> that is waht I have... but I run windows :)
[17:28] <gamerchick02> well, i dual boot.
[17:29] <jrwren> you still might ask in the forums. they could probably tell you if certain nv revisions are better than others.
[17:29] <gamerchick02> snap-l, there's also something called "allow flipping" under open gl.
[17:29] <jrwren> like maybe g105m sucks with nvidia drivers xxxx but is ok with yyyy
[17:29] <gamerchick02> i've kind of been talking to myself in a thread.
[17:29] <gamerchick02> my computer's totally slowed down to a crawl so getting FF up will be impossible.
[17:30] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Not sure what that would do
[17:30] <gamerchick02> i updated to the most recent driver off of the alpha ppa and i have better and longer use now than i did before
[17:30] <gamerchick02> i'll disable it.
[17:31] <gamerchick02> ok, disabled sync to vblank and disallowed flipping.
[17:32] <gamerchick02> i'm going to reboot regardless because this speed is impossible to use. and 81C for my gpu? really? shouldn't be getting that hot.
[17:32] <gamerchick02> bbiab
[17:33] <rick_h_> jrwren: ping
[17:33] <rick_h_> what version of chrome do you run on windows?
[17:33] <jrwren> pong
[17:33] <jrwren> i don't get a choice do i?
[17:33] <jrwren> chrome just updates itself.
[17:33] <jrwren> so, 12 I guess
[17:33] <snap-l> OK, Jason Calacanis is following me on Twitter.
[17:33] <rick_h_> right, but stable, beta, dev branches
[17:34] <rick_h_> lol
[17:34] <rick_h_> snap-l: the superstar
[17:34] <jrwren> stable
[17:34] <rick_h_> k
[17:34] <jrwren> i have no need for anything else. I only use chrome as my flash enabled browser. I still use firefox primarily
[17:34] <snap-l> He's also following 75000 other folks, so I'm thinking he's not really following me.
[17:35] <rick_h_> snap-l: what version of chrome is on your windows machine?
[17:35] <rick_h_> beta/dev/stable?
[17:35] <snap-l> Believe Stable (12.0.742.112)
[17:36] <rick_h_> man, you guys are wimps :P
[17:36] <snap-l> rick_h_: It's a work machine. I'm not pushing it. ;)
[17:37] <gamerchick02> well, 71C is better than 81C, but it's not anywhere near the 61 I was getting before.
[17:38] <gamerchick02> my fan doesn't sound like it's about to make my laptop take off. that can only be good.
[17:38] <jrwren> why would'nt I run stable?
[17:38] <jrwren> i have zero use for any new features anyway.
[17:38] <gamerchick02> jwren: to test!
[17:39] <gamerchick02> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1798769 that's my forums thread.
[17:39] <gamerchick02> about this issue.
[17:46] <gamerchick02> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11023425#post11023425 update. i'm talking to myself in this thread. i'll be sent to the crazy house soon.
[17:54] <snap-l> http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/07/7-reasons-to-use-java.html
[17:54] <snap-l> I called out #2 on this list as bullshit
[17:55] <snap-l> "@edd Seriously? IDEs do not take the pain of Java away; they mask it like anesthetic. Eventually it wears off, and the pain is still there."
[17:56] <gamerchick02> lol, snap-l
[17:56] <gamerchick02> and unchecking those bits seems to be helping A LOT with my slowdown woes.
[17:57] <gamerchick02> thank you, snap-l. i appreciate it.
[17:58] <snap-l> "@edd And the other "reasons" for using Java (Everybody's doing it, and eventually you will too) are cop-outs.Peer-pressure is not a feature"
[17:58] <snap-l> gamerchick02: No problem
[17:58] <rick_h_> meh, using tools that exist is good if you need them
[17:58] <rick_h_> I mean, solr == java, if I want the best fulltext, I'll do java and use solr
[17:58] <gamerchick02> peer pressure is not a feature. if i succumbed to peer pressure, i'd probably be smoking right now.
[17:58] <gamerchick02> hah.
[17:59] <gamerchick02> i've never done anything in java.
[17:59] <gamerchick02> to me java is coffee. mmmmmm... coffee
[17:59] <gamerchick02> i managed to suffer through one semester of PASCAL which was a total waste of my time.
[17:59] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's different. Using Java because it's useful for a task is sane
[18:01] <snap-l> It's like saying that crack is great because other people use crack
[18:01] <rick_h_> it's like saying "eventually everyone needs to get rid of some crack, so make sure you know how to use it"
[18:02] <rick_h_> thus java
[18:02] <rick_h_> eventually you'll want to hadoop, solr, jenkins something
[18:02] <gamerchick02> say no to crack.
[18:03] <gamerchick02> wow, now that my computer is behaving, i feel more zen
[18:09] <jrwren> java is dead.
[18:09] <jrwren> adopting java is like adopting cobol.
[18:09] <rick_h_> long live the JVM!
[18:10] <jrwren> only you get oracle suing you if you do something too cool with it.
[18:10] <jrwren> hey... what is wrong with PASCAL??? :)
[18:11] <jrwren> truth about solr and lucene though.
[18:11] <jrwren> and hadoop and jenkins.
[18:11] <rick_h_> twitter is getting rewritten in it
[18:11] <rick_h_> you know it's all over google
[18:11] <jrwren> yup
[18:11] <rick_h_> it's not dead yet for sure
[18:12] <jrwren> netflix is largely java
[18:12] <snap-l> Java is great glue
[18:12] <snap-l> just like COBOL
[18:12] <jrwren> glue?
[18:12] <rick_h_> psh, it's currently being used to replace the glue
[18:12] <rick_h_> it's the workhorse
[18:12] <jrwren> those things rick_h_ mentioned are not glue, they are the system.
[18:13] <rick_h_> yea, there's a reason I keep coming back to really needing to go back and relearn some java
[18:13] <jrwren> nah, don't learn it.
[18:13] <snap-l> OK, not glue, but rather int he infrastructure
[18:13] <jrwren> i mean, maybe enough to read it when you need it.
[18:13] <jrwren> but not write it.
[18:14] <rick_h_> how else to write for android?
[18:14] <jrwren> oh.
[18:14] <jrwren> true.
[18:14] <rick_h_> or a solr parser plugin
[18:14] <jrwren> scala for that :)
[18:14] <Blazeix> I'm curious about the lambda expression support coming to java
[18:14] <Blazeix> I love the support that C# has for it
[18:14] <snap-l> I'm sure it'll be as useful as Regex in Java
[18:15] <gamerchick02> jwren, i'm a mechanical engineer. pascal was painfully boring for me. it literally made me cry because I didn't get it.
[18:15] <snap-l> ie: a tacked-on hacky mess.
[18:15] <rick_h_> yea? I mean I find myself using lambdas in python more than before, but still not that often
[18:15] <brousch> android: phonegap
[18:15] <gamerchick02> i've never had a class make me cry out of frustration.
[18:16] <jrwren> depends on what you were trying to do with the pascal, i guess.
[18:16] <jrwren> you a matlab guru?
[18:16] <rick_h_> I'm getting disillusioned after using jquery mobile
[18:16] <rick_h_> as much as I want to believe in web on mobile...
[18:16] <jrwren> I'd hate to use java after using C#. its large steps backwards.
[18:16] <snap-l> Turbo Pascal was pretty slick
[18:16] <gamerchick02> jwren, only for system modelling. and i haven't touched it since 2004 so...
[18:17] <jrwren> as for regex? what is wrong with regex in java?
[18:17] <snap-l> It's not first-class?
[18:17] <jrwren> how is it not first-class? no language support? all library?
[18:17] <rick_h_> it's all class!
[18:17] <snap-l> It's a library
[18:17] <snap-l> http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/regex/test_harness.html
[18:17] <jrwren> C# has no regex support in language, but I love the .NET regex library
[18:19] <jrwren> pattern and matcher objects are different than .NET's Regex and Matches objects.
[18:19] <jrwren> interesting difference.
[18:21] <jrwren> I can do things with .NET Regex that I don't know how to do with perl re.  .NET regex is a lot like python re AFAICT
[18:21] <jrwren> oh nevermind... I can while (m/blah/) in perl... same thing.
[18:22] <snap-l> ;)
[18:22] <snap-l> Perl is the swiss-army chainsaw when it comes to regex
[18:22] <snap-l> I think you could probably build Twitter out of Perl's regex
[18:23] <jrwren> lol
[18:23] <jrwren> or any similar regex.
[18:23] <jrwren> but they are also SSLLOOWW :(
[18:24] <snap-l> http://www.infoq.com/articles/twitter-java-use
[18:24] <rick_h_> ok, everyone ready for today's "Daily stupid thing from NC Dude!!!" ?
[18:24] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/0cjGS2Fs5JIi0pk5AI1u/
[18:24] <jrwren> RDY?
[18:24] <jrwren> OK
[18:24] <snap-l> I love these stories about how such and such company is migrating from blah blah
[18:25] <jrwren> rick_h_: its probably good advise to not use "return" like that :)
[18:25] <snap-l> and the blah blah haters all trumpet that it's because blah blah sucks and froo froo is awesome.
[18:25] <rick_h_> jrwren: you think? lol
[18:25] <rick_h_> crap, I better rewrite some code
[18:26] <snap-l> What the fuck?
[18:26] <rick_h_> what's funny is I've had to get him to fix code that used list = xxx.query()
[18:26] <rick_h_> dude, in python list() is a function
[18:26] <rick_h_> len = xxx
[18:26] <rick_h_> nope, that's a functino as well...quit using those varaible names
[18:26] <jrwren> hahaha... redefining list... and len... awesome.
[18:26] <rick_h_> this time he got bit. So that's why he needed an IE JS debug tool
[18:26] <rick_h_> *sigh*
[18:27] <snap-l> Granted, you caught me doing that as well
[18:27] <snap-l> but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't use list = ...
[18:30] <jrwren> any IE or specific IE?
[18:30] <jrwren> i like the comments by Matt in that infoq article.
[18:31] <jrwren> I don't recall the last time I read an infoq article that was worth reading.
[18:31] <gamerchick02> IE is evil.
[18:31] <gamerchick02> (i don't have anything to contribute to this discussion but that. :-P )
[18:33] <jrwren> IE9 and greater are actually OK.
[18:33] <jrwren> i mean, yes, deficient in some areas, but at least they render and support reasonable CSS
[18:33] <jrwren> and now you can say "upgrade your IE" instead of trying to support shite IE6
[18:33] <jrwren> so you can just target FF or chrome and if it doesn't work in IE... oh well! upgrade your IE! :)
[18:34] <gamerchick02> good point, jwren.
[18:34] <gamerchick02> but i still prefer firefox or chrome(ium)
[18:36] <jrwren> FF FTW!
[18:37] <jrwren> I've never heard of a "Personal Media Player"  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855334001&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-55-334-001-_-Product
[18:37] <jrwren> weird.
[18:39] <rick_h_> jrwren: well this was IE8 that he was debugging/etc in
[18:39] <snap-l> jrwren:  I think it's just a brain-dead tablet.
[18:42] <gamerchick02> it's like a large form psp without the gaming ability.
[18:42] <gamerchick02> hah.
[18:45] <jrwren> not a tablet, no network
[18:45] <rick_h_> not even wifi?
[18:46] <jrwren> no
[18:47] <rick_h_> then throw it away
[18:47] <rick_h_> it's useless
[18:48] <gamerchick02> it's basically a portable media watcher
[18:48] <jrwren> agreed
[18:50] <jrwren> its like an Archos of 7 years ago.
[18:56] <brousch> jrwren: we have something like that for the car
[18:56] <gamerchick02> hah. yeah.
[18:56] <brousch> i rip stuff to a particular format, put it on SD, and my son can watch it in the car
[18:57] <jrwren> interesting.
[18:58] <brousch> the one i have is pretty durable and came with a car power adapter and sleeve to mount it behind a seat
[18:59] <brousch> you can't get them any more, not that you'd want something with a 7" screen 480x272
[19:00] <jrwren> depends on viewing distance, i would think.
[19:00] <brousch> it does DVDs, or have to rip to mpeg2 video with mp2 audio
[19:01] <brousch> also it uses a tiny bit more power than it draws, so the battery runs out after about 90 minutes
[19:03] <rick_h_> tiny bit? sounds like a lot more power than it draws to die in 90min
[19:05] <brousch> it is old
[19:05] <brousch> batter probably lasts 20mins on its own
[19:05] <rick_h_> wow
[19:07] <brousch> there are reaons you can't get them any more ;)
[19:24] <brousch> ohman, one more reason for rick_h_ to move back to Apple http://onethingwell.org/post/7341797630/vitunes
[19:25] <rick_h_> hah, do like the idea of searching through my music with /
[19:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: ummm wow to that twitter post
[19:29] <rick_h_> seattle! https://twitter.com/#!/garybernhardt/status/89053258647216129
[19:30] <jrwren> the security one?
[19:31] <jrwren> bad battery.
[19:31] <jrwren> my MBA lasts 10hrs :)
[19:31] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, the security one
[19:31] <rick_h_> now you've got me started reading these ugh
[19:31] <rick_h_> http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/2986/looking-for-example-of-well-known-app-using-unsalted-hashes
[19:31] <jrwren> security stack exchange is SWEET
[19:31] <jrwren> oh now that vimtunes is cool.
[19:32] <rick_h_> 9/10 ? are all about hashing passwords ugh
[19:32] <jrwren> its a little nerdy.... yes..
[19:33] <rick_h_> did you listen to the last lococast?
[19:33] <rick_h_> it's half our episode lol
[19:34] <rick_h_> man snap-l, now everywhere I look I see password hashing
[19:34] <rick_h_> it's like buying a new car, suddenly you start noticing them everywhere
[19:34] <jrwren> I did not.
[19:34] <jrwren> I didn't see it.
[19:34] <jrwren> i'll listen.
[19:34] <rick_h_> http://lococast.net/archives/503
[19:34] <gamerchick02> i liked the password ep. i have to reboot, slowdown and general annoyance.
[19:35] <gamerchick02> bbiab
[19:54] <gamerchick02> there.
[19:55] <gamerchick02> nouveau activated.
[20:02] <_stink_> heh, i did the same nouveau/nvidia/nv swaperoo with my work desktop a year or so ago.
[20:02] <_stink_> settled on nvidia.
[20:02] <_stink_> closed. :/
[20:06] <gamerchick02> the binary drivers aren't working for me.
[20:06] <gamerchick02> well, they work for awhile, then i have to shut down, cool off, and reboot.
[20:06] <brousch> system76 won't help you out?
[20:07] <gamerchick02> i haven't called them. i wanted to fix it on my own.
[20:07] <gamerchick02> i haven't heard anything from my thread; i'll wait and see if it gets resolved that way.
[20:07] <brousch> the only reason i would buy from them or zareason is to get actual support for this kind of thing
[20:08] <gamerchick02> yeah, good point. if i don't hear anything from them on the forum by tomorrow or monday, i'll give them a call
[20:09] <gamerchick02> my laptop is way out of warranty though.
[20:11] <brousch> i think of warantee as hardware. i would expect them to have some help for this issue
[20:11] <gamerchick02> hrm. ok. thanks.
[20:11] <gamerchick02> i'm just used to most places where it's "you're on your own"
[20:12] <brousch> but you bought system76 because it's the only place where you're not
[20:12] <gamerchick02> yes.
[20:13] <gamerchick02> we'll see what happens with the forum first.
[20:14] <jrwren> when i said forum, i meant a system76 forum :)
[20:14] <gamerchick02> i really want this to be publicly fixed so if someone else has the same problem, they can search on it and find it.
[20:14] <gamerchick02> the ubuntu forum, system76 sub-folder thing.
[20:14] <gamerchick02> that's where i do ALL of my searching and hanging out now.
[20:14] <gamerchick02> i don't even go to the other places on the forum.
[20:27] <nullspace> I;ll give 11.04, I like the scroll bars
[20:31] <brousch> i find them annoying
[20:31] <brousch> if the page is really long it's hard to grab them
[20:32] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[20:35] <gamerchick02> scroll wheel.
[20:36] <gamerchick02> bars are so 2001.
[20:36] <gamerchick02> :-P
[20:36] <brousch> scroll wheels are least effective on very long pages, which is also where the new scroll bars are most annoying
[20:37] <gamerchick02> ah
[20:38] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[20:39] <brousch> creative commons metal is the second best music in the world, after Rush
[20:39] <jrwren> ++
[20:39] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[20:39] <jrwren> two finger scrolling.
[20:39] <gamerchick02> i've never had that.
[20:40] <brousch> my dell has edge of the touchpad scrolling
[20:40] <jrwren> i hate that compared to two finger.
[20:41] <gamerchick02> i like the edge touchpad scrolling. my pangolian and my netbook do
[20:41] <jrwren> but yes, my pan5 has side and bottom scroll. everything in last 5+ yrs has that I think.
[20:41] <brousch> i miss the mbp gestures and scrolling
[20:42] <gamerchick02> ah
[20:56] <jrwren> me too
[20:57] <brousch> with the apple, i could keep one finger firmly planted in my nose while i gestured my way across the internet. natty has a bunch of keyboard shortcuts that require both hands
[21:01] <_stink_> keep the faith, fellow nosepicker
[21:02] <gamerchick02> brousch, that really made me laugh
[21:02] <gamerchick02> thank you. i've had a frustrating day with these drivers. and that... that... just broke a smile across my face
[23:35] <snap-l> brousch: you guys ok out there?
[23:35] <snap-l> sounds like there was a shooting in GR
[23:40] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[23:49] <gamerchick02> really? where?
[23:56] <rick_h_> mmm, audible books
[23:56] <rick_h_> audible sale, time to stock up perhaps
[23:56] <jrwren> gamerchick02: how is the battery life on your pan5?
[23:56] <jrwren> how old is your pan5?  mine will be 2 yrs old in Oct.
[23:57] <gamerchick02> battery is fine at 1.5 hours, but i don't use it at all
[23:57] <jrwren> *sigh*
[23:57] <jrwren> i guess i got a bad bat.
[23:57] <gamerchick02> it's plugged into the wall. the battery sits on the shelf
[23:58] <gamerchick02> i think i got it in June 09.
[23:58] <gamerchick02> so just more then 2 years.