[00:34] welp. gonna be sticking with the open-source drivers. [00:35] yay?! [00:36] well, considering they don't spike my cpu up to insane amounts, i guess. [00:36] though cleaning my fan seemed to help a little bit. [00:42] Is this with Unity? [00:43] yeah. [00:43] i've had an issue with the binary driver since Natty beta [00:44] switched to the OS one, and it works. except for games, but other than torcs, i don't play resource heavy games. [00:44] and i can get torcs for windows. [00:59] YOu might wnat to check the vsync setting [00:59] I had to turn it off to get any kind of performance on my machine. [01:00] vsync? [01:00] i'm running a dual monitor setup [01:04] ok [01:04] i'll download the new driver and futz with it tomorrow [01:04] i'm off for some TV [01:04] this is making my head hurt [01:04] later! [01:06] formatting a 2 tb harddrive takes a long time! [01:13] greg-g: hah, I bet [01:17] but it'll be so nice when I have 2tb in RAID 1 [01:20] fancy! [01:21] yeah, so excited [01:21] kind of a bday present to myself [01:23] So how many drives? [01:24] two 2tb [01:24] Ah, very nice. [01:38] mpiccinato: https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/extensions/chrome_ext/lib/bookie.api.js [01:45] https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/templates/mobile_wrap.mako#L39 [01:47] cool, bookie handles big/complex mediawiki pages well in readable: https://bmark.us/bmark/readable/181e600e18af28 [01:48] awesome! :) [11:13] g'morn [11:36] party party [12:07] <_stink_> morning [12:08] gah detroit public officials never seem to come off as a genuine or intelligent when they get interviewed on npr === bmcmahon is now known as nullspace [12:09] <_stink_> heh [12:25] Which ones? City Council is proof that committees sink to the lowest levels of intelligence [12:25] I swear if they gave each of them a bucket full of poo, they'd be flingig it in no time. [12:34] Also, Good morning [13:22] greg-g: nice 2 - 2TB... I have mind in LVM with some mirror and some nonmirror [13:23] Wondering if I should get some more 2TB drives and do the same [13:23] my only concern is heat buildup [13:23] MB Temperature: +58.0°C (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C) [13:24] That's with two drives with fans blowing directly over them [13:26] * ColonelPanic001 starts catching up on openmetalcast [13:29] ColonelPanic001: \m/ [13:29] and send me your Big 4 of CC metal as well [13:34] I don't keep up enough to know :\ [13:34] if any come to mind, though, will-do [13:34] I ought to listen to music more at work. Got out of the habit [13:34] No worries [13:35] Mostly I want to know what your big discoveries were [13:35] (trying to build a community of CC-metal) [13:35] jrwren: yeah, this enclosure I got has a "SAFE33" and "SAFE50" setting where 33/50% of the space is RAID1 while the rest is not [13:36] snap-l: yeah, I don't have that worry since I don't use a desktop anymore, this is an enlosure [13:36] greg-g: Ah, you got an external enclosure [13:36] Good deal [13:36] O_O interesting. [13:36] what kind of enclosure? [13:36] jrwren: http://www.sansdigital.com/mobilestor/ms2utnplusb.html [13:36] Aw, it's cute. [13:36] :) [13:37] 3.5 or 2.5? [13:37] * snap-l reads 3.5 [13:38] Supports Windows, Linux, and MAC OS X. [13:39] did you look at synology? [13:39] oh, you attach to this thing with esata? cool. [13:40] nope, didn't see synology. I kind of gave up on the NAS as I just really need an as-needed connection [13:51] anyone have joe landman's email address? his blog and business website are down. [13:52] or... can anyone else get to scalableinformatics.com or scalability.org ? [13:52] loads here [13:53] scalability.org that is [13:54] ok, my end then. [13:55] rick_h_: can you help me out with a vim map command? [13:55] I've had this line in my vimrc copied from someone for years. [13:55] map ,ic oif (){}3k4li [13:55] never knew how ot invoke it. [13:55] greg-g: Throwing your hat into a @bkuhn conversation. Brave man. :) [13:56] so guessing they used , as leader? [13:57] yea, just ,ic in a row will match it and run it [13:58] builds an if() block it looks like [13:58] snipmate ftw vs that for sure [13:58] have to be in command mode for it to work [13:59] but builds if, and moves cursor back to the () part [14:00] that is what I thought, but I can't get it to run in command or insert mode :( [14:00] well map is only command, runs here for me when I try it out [14:01] just as comma i c [14:01] have to hit it in a hurry to get it to fire [14:01] ok, now in 1 vim it does. [14:01] maybe... [14:01] ok... i was doing something wrong. thanks. [14:01] if I have double keys I usually try to use the same key [14:01] ,cc is my close quickfix and ,c to open it etc [14:02] but yea, snipmate works in insert mode and can do some nice fancy templating like that [14:02] and you can provide multiple points to enter text in the template [14:15] cool, i'll check out snipmate [14:45] Ok. Updated my driver manually from the alpha ppa (I grabbed the driver version I needed from a list). Updated and everything looks decently swell, except for the fact that my standard vga cable now doesn't work. i'm using a HDMI converter... SDHC or something to HDMI. It's a big white port on the back of my monitor. [14:46] dvi probably [14:46] I'm watching top closely to see if xorg runs away with my cpu. right now gwibber is eating it for lunch, but that happens every so often. [14:46] thanks, rick_h_ [14:46] i can't remember what it's called [14:46] but everything works swell in windows 7. [14:47] gotta hand it to the devs on 7; they made using a second monitor easy peasy. not so much with binary drivers in ubuntu. [14:47] use windows7! :) [14:48] moral of the story? clean your fan, update your drivers (even if manually) and switch out cables before you have an aneurism. [14:48] for games. i can't be a gamerchick without it. :-P [14:48] also, i'm still begging for jobs. if i say i can't use windows, they'll look at me like i grew 47 heads in front of them [14:48] and promptly skip over my application. [14:56] snap-l: re @bkhun, I just think limiting blog comments to identi.ca is short sighted and not useful, especially for an important issue like the harmony agreements [14:58] Well, he has a point for centralized discussion [14:58] even if he's being an ass about how he's presenting it [14:59] * greg-g nods [15:34] snap-l: I'm in outloud.fm/UbuntuAllstars [15:34] I think all the cool kids are on turntable.fm [15:52] jcastro: No, you're not. [15:52] http://turntable.fm/ubuntuallstars [15:52] ok [15:52] jill signed in for me [15:52] dude this is way better [15:52] jcastro: That's great. I don't have Facebook [15:53] And I have about a 0% chance of using Facebook [15:55] snap-l: you need a fake FB account [15:55] snap-l: heh, same problem [15:55] No, folks need to use OpenID like grownups. [15:57] yes well, I am the choir, no need to preach [15:57] I practice OSS. I must preach [16:03] Soon, these services will allow a G+ sign-in (I hope) [16:03] :-) [16:04] Google can single-handedly fix teh interwebs [16:10] greg-g: https://twitter.com/#!/jeresig [16:10] sorry, https://twitter.com/#!/jeresig/status/88996931069685762 [16:19] Anyone in here fluent in Spanish? [16:20] translate.google.com [16:20] <_stink_> haha [16:20] No, I mean audio-wise. [16:20] I have a sample that I want vetted [16:25] i just got called a zealot for using linux [16:25] snap-l: i'm not sure what that makes you [16:26] AWesome? :) [16:26] Oh, wait, that's all the time. ;) [16:27] my reply: If choosing freedom over shackles, free over costly, and community over bureaucracy makes a zealot, then I gladly accept the label [16:27] <_stink_> that is *exactly* what a zealot would say. [16:38] hehe [16:43] Ah, crap, I forgot about that. I'm retiring an Ubuntu 6.06 server and it has a MySQL instance that's been running untouched for probably 4 years. [16:44] I use a Java program I wrote to dump data from ODBC into it twice a day. It's been so reliable I forgot it existed. [16:44] 6.06??? wtf??? [16:44] brousch: zealotry isn't about the choices you make, it's about how you comport yourself [16:45] jrwren: Well it only went out of support last month ;) [16:45] and as _stink_ pointed out, that was kinda a zealotrous answer [16:45] and yes, zealotrous is a word. I just used it, didn't I? ;-) [16:46] Zealatenous [16:47] oh now you're just making shit up XD [17:00] lol "how do you debug JS in IE these days?" [17:00] "ummm, using the crappy IE8 dev tools" [17:00] "oh, hadn't seen these before" [17:01] <3 [17:16] it was good while it lasted. [17:17] xorg is now running from 50% to 100% CPU. goddamnit. [17:17] ruh roh [17:17] why the everloving hell won't the damned binary drivers just FUCKING WORK?!?!?!?!?! [17:17] *rage rage rage* [17:19] i've got a g105m in this pangolian. [17:19] other than xorg eating my cpu after 4 hours, it runs just fine. [17:21] I've been having this problem ever since i started running the natty beta. i have to keep reverting to the open-source ones. which are fine, but kind of run like crap. [17:23] snap-l what was that setting you were talking about last night? [17:23] vsync [17:24] ok [17:24] 81C? NO FUCKING WAY. this should not be running that hot. [17:24] sync to vblank? [17:24] is that it? [17:26] i don't have a vsync, snap-l, but i have "sync to vblank" [17:26] Yeah, turn that off [17:27] Might help things a bit [17:27] otherwise the GPU waits for the screen to redraw [17:27] IE9 dev tools you mean? [17:27] ok [17:27] do i need to do a reboot for that to take effect? [17:27] Shouldn't need to [17:28] gamerchick02: wait... its a system76 that is acting weird? call them for support! that is why you buy system76 :) [17:28] it's way way way past warranty [17:28] pan5 ? [17:28] and yes, this is a pangolian [17:28] yes. [17:28] that is waht I have... but I run windows :) [17:28] well, i dual boot. [17:29] you still might ask in the forums. they could probably tell you if certain nv revisions are better than others. [17:29] snap-l, there's also something called "allow flipping" under open gl. [17:29] like maybe g105m sucks with nvidia drivers xxxx but is ok with yyyy [17:29] i've kind of been talking to myself in a thread. [17:29] my computer's totally slowed down to a crawl so getting FF up will be impossible. [17:30] gamerchick02: Not sure what that would do [17:30] i updated to the most recent driver off of the alpha ppa and i have better and longer use now than i did before [17:30] i'll disable it. [17:31] ok, disabled sync to vblank and disallowed flipping. [17:32] i'm going to reboot regardless because this speed is impossible to use. and 81C for my gpu? really? shouldn't be getting that hot. [17:32] bbiab [17:33] jrwren: ping [17:33] what version of chrome do you run on windows? [17:33] pong [17:33] i don't get a choice do i? [17:33] chrome just updates itself. [17:33] so, 12 I guess [17:33] OK, Jason Calacanis is following me on Twitter. [17:33] right, but stable, beta, dev branches [17:34] lol [17:34] snap-l: the superstar [17:34] stable [17:34] k [17:34] i have no need for anything else. I only use chrome as my flash enabled browser. I still use firefox primarily [17:34] He's also following 75000 other folks, so I'm thinking he's not really following me. [17:35] snap-l: what version of chrome is on your windows machine? [17:35] beta/dev/stable? [17:35] Believe Stable (12.0.742.112) [17:36] man, you guys are wimps :P [17:36] rick_h_: It's a work machine. I'm not pushing it. ;) [17:37] well, 71C is better than 81C, but it's not anywhere near the 61 I was getting before. [17:38] my fan doesn't sound like it's about to make my laptop take off. that can only be good. [17:38] why would'nt I run stable? [17:38] i have zero use for any new features anyway. [17:38] jwren: to test! [17:39] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1798769 that's my forums thread. [17:39] about this issue. [17:46] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11023425#post11023425 update. i'm talking to myself in this thread. i'll be sent to the crazy house soon. [17:54] http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/07/7-reasons-to-use-java.html [17:54] I called out #2 on this list as bullshit [17:55] "@edd Seriously? IDEs do not take the pain of Java away; they mask it like anesthetic. Eventually it wears off, and the pain is still there." [17:56] lol, snap-l [17:56] and unchecking those bits seems to be helping A LOT with my slowdown woes. [17:57] thank you, snap-l. i appreciate it. [17:58] "@edd And the other "reasons" for using Java (Everybody's doing it, and eventually you will too) are cop-outs.Peer-pressure is not a feature" [17:58] gamerchick02: No problem [17:58] meh, using tools that exist is good if you need them [17:58] I mean, solr == java, if I want the best fulltext, I'll do java and use solr [17:58] peer pressure is not a feature. if i succumbed to peer pressure, i'd probably be smoking right now. [17:58] hah. [17:59] i've never done anything in java. [17:59] to me java is coffee. mmmmmm... coffee [17:59] i managed to suffer through one semester of PASCAL which was a total waste of my time. [17:59] rick_h_: That's different. Using Java because it's useful for a task is sane [18:01] It's like saying that crack is great because other people use crack [18:01] it's like saying "eventually everyone needs to get rid of some crack, so make sure you know how to use it" [18:02] thus java [18:02] eventually you'll want to hadoop, solr, jenkins something [18:02] say no to crack. [18:03] wow, now that my computer is behaving, i feel more zen [18:09] java is dead. [18:09] adopting java is like adopting cobol. [18:09] long live the JVM! [18:10] only you get oracle suing you if you do something too cool with it. [18:10] hey... what is wrong with PASCAL??? :) [18:11] truth about solr and lucene though. [18:11] and hadoop and jenkins. [18:11] twitter is getting rewritten in it [18:11] you know it's all over google [18:11] yup [18:11] it's not dead yet for sure [18:12] netflix is largely java [18:12] Java is great glue [18:12] just like COBOL [18:12] glue? [18:12] psh, it's currently being used to replace the glue [18:12] it's the workhorse [18:12] those things rick_h_ mentioned are not glue, they are the system. [18:13] yea, there's a reason I keep coming back to really needing to go back and relearn some java [18:13] nah, don't learn it. [18:13] OK, not glue, but rather int he infrastructure [18:13] i mean, maybe enough to read it when you need it. [18:13] but not write it. [18:14] how else to write for android? [18:14] oh. [18:14] true. [18:14] or a solr parser plugin [18:14] scala for that :) [18:14] I'm curious about the lambda expression support coming to java [18:14] I love the support that C# has for it [18:14] I'm sure it'll be as useful as Regex in Java [18:15] jwren, i'm a mechanical engineer. pascal was painfully boring for me. it literally made me cry because I didn't get it. [18:15] ie: a tacked-on hacky mess. [18:15] yea? I mean I find myself using lambdas in python more than before, but still not that often [18:15] android: phonegap [18:15] i've never had a class make me cry out of frustration. [18:16] depends on what you were trying to do with the pascal, i guess. [18:16] you a matlab guru? [18:16] I'm getting disillusioned after using jquery mobile [18:16] as much as I want to believe in web on mobile... [18:16] I'd hate to use java after using C#. its large steps backwards. [18:16] Turbo Pascal was pretty slick [18:16] jwren, only for system modelling. and i haven't touched it since 2004 so... [18:17] as for regex? what is wrong with regex in java? [18:17] It's not first-class? [18:17] how is it not first-class? no language support? all library? [18:17] it's all class! [18:17] It's a library [18:17] http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/regex/test_harness.html [18:17] C# has no regex support in language, but I love the .NET regex library [18:19] pattern and matcher objects are different than .NET's Regex and Matches objects. [18:19] interesting difference. [18:21] I can do things with .NET Regex that I don't know how to do with perl re. .NET regex is a lot like python re AFAICT [18:21] oh nevermind... I can while (m/blah/) in perl... same thing. [18:22] ;) [18:22] Perl is the swiss-army chainsaw when it comes to regex [18:22] I think you could probably build Twitter out of Perl's regex [18:23] lol [18:23] or any similar regex. [18:23] but they are also SSLLOOWW :( [18:24] http://www.infoq.com/articles/twitter-java-use [18:24] ok, everyone ready for today's "Daily stupid thing from NC Dude!!!" ? [18:24] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/0cjGS2Fs5JIi0pk5AI1u/ [18:24] RDY? [18:24] OK [18:24] I love these stories about how such and such company is migrating from blah blah [18:25] rick_h_: its probably good advise to not use "return" like that :) [18:25] and the blah blah haters all trumpet that it's because blah blah sucks and froo froo is awesome. [18:25] jrwren: you think? lol [18:25] crap, I better rewrite some code [18:26] What the fuck? [18:26] what's funny is I've had to get him to fix code that used list = xxx.query() [18:26] dude, in python list() is a function [18:26] len = xxx [18:26] nope, that's a functino as well...quit using those varaible names [18:26] hahaha... redefining list... and len... awesome. [18:26] this time he got bit. So that's why he needed an IE JS debug tool [18:26] *sigh* [18:27] Granted, you caught me doing that as well [18:27] but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't use list = ... [18:30] any IE or specific IE? [18:30] i like the comments by Matt in that infoq article. [18:31] I don't recall the last time I read an infoq article that was worth reading. [18:31] IE is evil. [18:31] (i don't have anything to contribute to this discussion but that. :-P ) [18:33] IE9 and greater are actually OK. [18:33] i mean, yes, deficient in some areas, but at least they render and support reasonable CSS [18:33] and now you can say "upgrade your IE" instead of trying to support shite IE6 [18:33] so you can just target FF or chrome and if it doesn't work in IE... oh well! upgrade your IE! :) [18:34] good point, jwren. [18:34] but i still prefer firefox or chrome(ium) [18:36] FF FTW! [18:37] I've never heard of a "Personal Media Player" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855334001&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-55-334-001-_-Product [18:37] weird. [18:39] jrwren: well this was IE8 that he was debugging/etc in [18:39] jrwren: I think it's just a brain-dead tablet. [18:42] it's like a large form psp without the gaming ability. [18:42] hah. [18:45] not a tablet, no network [18:45] not even wifi? [18:46] no [18:47] then throw it away [18:47] it's useless [18:48] it's basically a portable media watcher [18:48] agreed [18:50] its like an Archos of 7 years ago. [18:56] jrwren: we have something like that for the car [18:56] hah. yeah. [18:56] i rip stuff to a particular format, put it on SD, and my son can watch it in the car [18:57] interesting. [18:58] the one i have is pretty durable and came with a car power adapter and sleeve to mount it behind a seat [18:59] you can't get them any more, not that you'd want something with a 7" screen 480x272 [19:00] depends on viewing distance, i would think. [19:00] it does DVDs, or have to rip to mpeg2 video with mp2 audio [19:01] also it uses a tiny bit more power than it draws, so the battery runs out after about 90 minutes [19:03] tiny bit? sounds like a lot more power than it draws to die in 90min [19:05] it is old [19:05] batter probably lasts 20mins on its own [19:05] wow [19:07] there are reaons you can't get them any more ;) [19:24] ohman, one more reason for rick_h_ to move back to Apple http://onethingwell.org/post/7341797630/vitunes [19:25] hah, do like the idea of searching through my music with / [19:28] jrwren: ummm wow to that twitter post [19:29] seattle! https://twitter.com/#!/garybernhardt/status/89053258647216129 [19:30] the security one? [19:31] bad battery. [19:31] my MBA lasts 10hrs :) [19:31] jrwren: yea, the security one [19:31] now you've got me started reading these ugh [19:31] http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/2986/looking-for-example-of-well-known-app-using-unsalted-hashes [19:31] security stack exchange is SWEET [19:31] oh now that vimtunes is cool. [19:32] 9/10 ? are all about hashing passwords ugh [19:32] its a little nerdy.... yes.. [19:33] did you listen to the last lococast? [19:33] it's half our episode lol [19:34] man snap-l, now everywhere I look I see password hashing [19:34] it's like buying a new car, suddenly you start noticing them everywhere [19:34] I did not. [19:34] I didn't see it. [19:34] i'll listen. [19:34] http://lococast.net/archives/503 [19:34] i liked the password ep. i have to reboot, slowdown and general annoyance. [19:35] bbiab [19:54] there. [19:55] nouveau activated. [20:02] <_stink_> heh, i did the same nouveau/nvidia/nv swaperoo with my work desktop a year or so ago. [20:02] <_stink_> settled on nvidia. [20:02] <_stink_> closed. :/ [20:06] the binary drivers aren't working for me. [20:06] well, they work for awhile, then i have to shut down, cool off, and reboot. [20:06] system76 won't help you out? [20:07] i haven't called them. i wanted to fix it on my own. [20:07] i haven't heard anything from my thread; i'll wait and see if it gets resolved that way. [20:07] the only reason i would buy from them or zareason is to get actual support for this kind of thing [20:08] yeah, good point. if i don't hear anything from them on the forum by tomorrow or monday, i'll give them a call [20:09] my laptop is way out of warranty though. [20:11] i think of warantee as hardware. i would expect them to have some help for this issue [20:11] hrm. ok. thanks. [20:11] i'm just used to most places where it's "you're on your own" [20:12]