[00:10] <cjohnston> nigelb: mhall119 as of right now, next week, monday thursday friday are out
[11:24] <Amoz> whop whop
[11:24] <dholbach> thanks Amoz for helping out
[11:24] <dholbach> branching the packaging guide, changing the config, then running make html should update the html in _build/html
[11:25] <dholbach> maybe Raoul Snyman's work can serve as a basis - I don't know
[11:26] <dholbach> as far as I know the retheming is the only thing remaining to move the guide to a more "official" home
[11:27] <daker> ok
[11:27] <Amoz> dholbach, I figured my work for the bitesize bugs is almost useless, so why not help out in a field I know quite well?
[11:27] <dholbach> Amoz, let's talk about the bitesize bugs later on - I'm sure we can find something you can work on if you're interested :)
[11:27] <Amoz> Raouls theme is just a "child theme" with some ported (?) css from the light django theme I think
[11:27] <dholbach> thanks again for helping out - I'm useless when it comes to CSS, so I greatly appreciate it :)
[11:28] <dholbach> Amoz, yes - AFAIK it's the base sphinx theme changed in a few places
[11:28] <daker> dholbach, how to compile that ?
[11:29] <dholbach> make html
[11:29] <dholbach> and then open _build/html/index.html
[11:29] <dholbach> (you might have to install python-sphinx)
[11:31] <daker> got it
[11:32] <dholbach> woohoo
[11:34] <daker> are you going to pay for that ツ ?
[11:35] <Amoz> daker, you get a hug from dholbach and me?
[11:35] <daker> LoL
[11:36] <daker> dholbach, Amoz ok i'll start working on that tonight
[11:36] <dholbach> daker, if I visit Morocco, I promise I'll invite you to lunch+dinner while I'm there :)
[11:36] <dholbach> daker, if you can point out anything that amoz or I can do, please say so
[11:37] <dholbach> as soon as it is vaguely resembling the other pages we have, I think we should get it out there and fix the small bits here and there afterwards
[11:37] <daker> ok
[11:38] <Amoz> daker, I'm playing with some code right now
[11:39] <dholbach> daker, how's life apart from web stuff? everything OK over there?
[11:40] <daker> yeah it's ok right now. thanks
[11:41] <Amoz> dholbach, about the bitesize bugs I mentioned before, take a look at my real name and I hope you'll understand what I meant :P
[11:43] <dholbach> Amoz, ok - I just had a look at your merge proposals
[11:44] <dholbach> why don't you have a chat with the person in #ubuntu-devel who is marked as patch pilot right now? :)
[11:44] <dholbach> (it's in the topic of the room)
[11:44] <dholbach> it's their job to help you get it in :)
[11:44] <dholbach> sorry if you feel like you're stuck
[11:44] <dholbach> Amoz, how was the general process of fixing things?
[11:49] <Amoz> dholbach, what I meant was, there's no point in doing a lot of bitesize bugs when a lot of other people probably want them ( for practice).. I'm better off doing this CSS stuff instead :D
[11:51] <Amoz> dholbach, the process feels quite easy in most cases. usually just branch from LP, fix the stuff, dch -i, then push and propose
[11:51] <dholbach> Amoz, I wouldn't say so - every bug fixed... at the end of the day... is a bug fixed :)
[11:51] <dholbach> and if it's something you enjoy doing, that's even better
[11:51] <Amoz> dholbach, well, you rather get the package guide redesigned than fixing some spelling errors right? ;)
[11:52] <Amoz> yeah it's fun to learn the bzr/LP flow
[11:52] <Amoz> but CSS and web is a lot of fun too
[11:52] <dholbach> Amoz, if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know
[11:54] <Amoz> dholbach, yeah fix my Erlang assignment
[11:54] <nigelb> lol
[11:54] <daker> dholbach, just give some time, maybe i can show you something next week
[11:54] <dholbach> Amoz, that is a bit much to ask for - it gets close to "achieve world peace"
[11:56] <Amoz> dholbach, oh is it? whyyy? :(
[11:57] <dholbach> I have no idea about Erlang at all :)
[11:57] <Amoz> kinda hard then..
[11:57] <dholbach> yeah :)
[12:22] <Amoz> daker, dholbach , is there a "sidebar" css class somewhere in the ubuntu css files?
[12:22] <Amoz> I want one for the ToC
[12:23] <dholbach> I don't know, but Ronnie, mhall119 or daker might
[12:24] <daker> no there is no sidebar on the ubuntu website
[12:24] <daker> Amoz, i suggest something like this http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/business-as-usual
[12:26] <Amoz> so..much...styles :|
[12:26] <daker> yep drupal ツ
[12:51] <Amoz> grrr no dropbox-nautilus 3 integration
[12:52] <Amoz> dholbach, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/103754/upg/index.html
[12:53] <Amoz> I dunno if it looks funnier in other browsers, but chrome 13 is at least intepreting the main structure quite well
[12:53] <Amoz> except for the ToC
[12:53] <Amoz> it's complete lost behind the rest of the page o.O
[12:54] <Amoz> also I pushed the branch here https://code.launchpad.net/~fougner/+junk/ubuntu-packaging-guide-sphinx-template
[13:07] <Amoz> daker, ^
[13:13] <mhall119> morning dholbach, what's up?
[13:14] <Amoz> *looking up*
[13:51] <dholbach> hey mhall119
[13:51] <dholbach> Amoz, oh wow - that looks good already!
[13:52] <dholbach> daker, ^
[13:52] <dholbach> mhall119, we're re-branding the packaging guide
[13:52] <dholbach> or rather Amoz and daker are
[13:52] <daker> good start
[13:53] <Amoz> ^_^
[13:54] <Amoz> dholbach, just curious, why did you choose something as sphinx for a simple guide?
[13:56] <dholbach> Amoz, it's very easy to type articles in restructured text and there were people with experience using it
[13:56] <dholbach> Amoz, also: it can generate loads of different output formats
[13:56] <dholbach> it's good stuff
[13:59] <Amoz> hmm good point about the formats..
[13:59] <dholbach> yeah, it was one of the requirements
[14:00] <dholbach> we want to move away from the wiki as it was too hard to maintain, now we can file bugs, have code review, etc.
[14:29] <Amoz> dholbach, I see.. now I have a very alpha-ish site here
[14:29] <dholbach> Amoz, you rock
[14:30] <Amoz> the same link as before
[14:30] <Amoz> dholbach, danke
[14:30] <Amoz> ;D
[14:30] <dholbach> :)
[14:30] <Amoz> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/103754/upg/index.html
[14:31] <daker> nice
[14:31] <dholbach> neat
[14:31] <dholbach> great work
[14:32] <dholbach> can you upload a merge proposal? I think as a first cut at least visually it's good to go
[14:32] <dholbach> we can still file bugs afterwards
[14:32] <dholbach> like ¶ sticking out a bit, etc. :)
[14:34] <dholbach> nice, I like it
[14:34] <Amoz> dholbach, a lot of stuff is still missing, like pictures and stuff, but okay
[14:35]  * dholbach hugs Amoz
[14:40] <Amoz> uhm, dholbach, I didn't branch from the origin, can I still propose?
[14:40] <dholbach> from what did you branch?
[14:41] <dholbach> Amoz, I can merge from lp:~fougner/+junk/ubuntu-packaging-guide-sphinx-template?
[14:41] <Amoz> the latest version should be there yeah
[14:41] <Amoz> go ahead
[14:41] <Amoz> be careful, the universe might explode
[14:42] <Amoz> it's in the +junk section ;)
[14:42] <dholbach> haha, yes
[14:42] <dholbach> which bits did you borrow from the light-theme?
[14:42] <Amoz> like.. everything?
[14:43] <Amoz> lemme show you
[14:43] <Amoz> I copied the newstyle.css from  http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[14:43] <Amoz> I think mhall and someone did that one
[14:43] <Amoz> and before that I copied the whole django light theme
[14:44] <dholbach> but that's not in the branch, right?
[14:44] <Amoz> uh?
[14:44] <Amoz> all those files are put in the default.css_t
[14:44] <Amoz> maybe a stupid thing to do
[14:44] <dholbach> no no, I'm still figuring it out, nevermind
[14:44] <Amoz> ^_^
[14:45] <dholbach> I just thought it'd be good to document how exactly it's put together, so we have an easier time to update to whatever is new
[14:45] <dholbach> let me have another look
[14:45] <Amoz> yeah maybe it's better to inherit those then
[14:45] <Amoz> the default.css_t can inherit those css-files
[14:45] <Amoz> @import
[14:45] <Amoz> or something ya know
[14:45] <dholbach> I'm not the best person to comment on this
[14:46] <dholbach> daker or mhall119 might know
[14:46] <Amoz> then we could keep the separate files in the directory instead
[14:46] <daker> yep
[14:47] <Amoz> dholbach, woohoo, friend req
[14:47] <dholbach> :)
[14:47] <dholbach> so what is the best way forward? how do we organise this in the source tree? with the imports and stuff
[14:47] <dholbach> I'm not an expert :)
[14:49] <Amoz> is there a way to import the light-theme into the packaging guide repo=?
[14:49] <Amoz> dholbach, ^
[14:49] <Amoz> and the newstyle.css
[14:49] <Amoz> dunno where those a maintained
[14:50] <Amoz> http://loco.ubuntu.com/media//css/newstyle.css
[14:50] <Amoz> http://loco.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-website/media/css/default.css
[14:50] <Amoz> those ones
[14:50] <dholbach> daker, mhall119: where do these come from? ^
[14:50] <dholbach> newstyle.css I think is home-grown for LD
[14:50] <Amoz> LD?
[14:50] <dholbach> the other one should be part of the the light theme
[14:51] <dholbach> loco directory, sorry
[14:51] <Amoz> ah
[14:51] <dholbach> (loco.ubuntu.com)
[14:51] <Amoz> yeah mhall did the first one
[14:51] <Amoz> according to the copyright text
[14:52] <dholbach> what we could do is add a small script that puts these bits together, so whenever we decide to "update" to a newer theme we have a reproducible way to add things
[14:52] <dholbach> and then just add the necessary files into our branch in the right place
[14:52] <dholbach> so it's a bit clearer where everything comes from
[14:53] <mhall119> I didn't do them
[14:53] <mhall119> but yes, newstyle.css is loco-directory specific styles
[14:53] <Amoz> mhall119, you did the newstyle one
[14:53] <mhall119> default.css if from the theme branch
[14:53] <Amoz> together with paul
[14:54] <mhall119> Amoz: no, it evolved organically, the copyright stuff wasn't added until later
[14:54] <Amoz> o.O
[14:54] <Amoz> oh, well
[14:54] <mhall119> I'm pretty sure newstyle.css was around before I started LD hacking
[14:54] <Amoz> i dunno , I'm just a noob ^_^
[14:55] <mhall119> heh, me too
[14:55] <Amoz> so if I put a CSS seed in a pot, will it evolve organically? D:
[14:55] <mhall119> only if you water it with the sweat of new contributors
[14:56] <dholbach> haha
[14:56] <dholbach> Amoz, if you could add a small piece of text somewhere in the branch that explains what we got from where and then push it to lp:~fougner/ubuntu-packaging-guide/ubuntu-packaging-guide-sphinx-template and then propose a merge, that'd be super helpful
[14:56] <dholbach> so we can all look at the diff from LP and comment on it and figure out what we still need to do
[14:56] <Amoz> is the newstyle maintained somewhere?
[14:58] <dholbach> just mention where you got it from for now, we can then still figure out how to best stay on top of changes in there and make sure it has the right license and we add proper attribution
[14:58] <dholbach> Amoz, by the sound of it, it's a home-grown thing for loco.u.c
[14:59] <dholbach> mhall119, ^ is it worth generalising newstyle.css or putting it somewhere for easier reference?
[15:01] <mhall119> dholbach: no, but common styles can be moved into the theme's default.css
[15:01] <Amoz> oh.. license
[15:02] <mhall119> check launchpad
[15:02] <dholbach> Amoz, it should be agpl
[15:02] <dholbach> if it's part of loco.u.c
[15:02] <Amoz> also the actual theme is copied and modified from the basic sphinx theme
[15:02] <Amoz> the template files ^
[15:02] <mhall119> LD is agplv3
[15:02] <mhall119> the themes are gplv2
[15:03] <dholbach> Amoz, the modified files should be fine
[15:03] <Amoz> and the small css file I did, assembling the newstyle and light django theme, should have what license?
[15:04] <Amoz> it does not contain the files
[15:04] <Amoz> just @import:ing
[15:04] <Amoz> I know I'm the author officially, but what license is to prefer?
[15:05] <dholbach> all of the guide currently is cc-by-sa
[15:05] <Amoz> O_O
[15:06] <dholbach> but it's no big deal - we just need to mention it in ./debian/copyright - I'm happy to update it as soon as we're happy with the rest :)
[15:06] <mhall119> if you make it GPLv2, it'll be compatible with all our other css
[15:07] <dholbach> I'm happy with that too
[15:08] <dholbach> brb
[15:11] <Amoz> there
[15:11] <Amoz> GPLv2
[15:16] <Amoz> bah
[15:16] <Amoz> some more styles added
[15:17] <Amoz> oh god.. fail
[15:18] <mhall119> hmmm, god fail sounds bad
[15:18] <nigelb> I would say "Welcome to CSS"
[15:19] <Amoz> mhall119, I forgot I did some changes in the original files
[15:19] <Amoz> relative picture paths
[15:19] <nigelb> see? Welcome to CSS is correct :P
[15:22] <Amoz> :D
[15:24] <Amoz> there
[15:24] <Amoz> finally
[15:24] <Amoz> dholbach, feel free to merge
[15:24] <Amoz> https://code.launchpad.net/~fougner/+junk/ubuntu-packaging-guide-sphinx-template
[15:24] <Amoz> I need to leave now
[15:27] <dholbach> ok, I'll drop you a mail about it
[15:28] <Amoz> dholbach, just remember to put in a good word for me when I'm at a job interview @ canonical ;)
[15:28] <dholbach> haha, great :)
[15:29] <Amoz> bye!
[15:29] <dholbach> take care
[15:29]  * Amoz hugs everyone
[15:29] <dholbach> :)
[15:31]  * dholbach hugs Amoz back
[15:48] <nigelb> mhall119: Did you know Disqus uses Django?
[15:49] <nigelb> https://twitter.com/#!/gvanrossum/status/88822915830775808
[15:50] <mhall119> nigelb: newz2000 informed me of that this morning, actually
[15:50] <nigelb> mhall119: I assume the source of all that is the tweet above
[15:50] <newz2000> that is a bit coincidental
[15:51] <newz2000> I didn't see that tweet
[15:51] <nigelb> heh, conincidental then :)
[15:51] <mhall119> no such thing as coincidence, obviously someone is eavesdropping on our mumble call
[15:51] <nigelb> haha
[19:59] <Amoz> duppido
[23:21] <Viper550> Hello