[05:06] <nuvolari> Maaz: last update by @larsvogel
[05:06] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[05:06] <nuvolari> Maaz: last update by @vogella
[05:06] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[05:07] <nuvolari> Maaz: help
[05:07] <Maaz> nuvolari: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[05:07] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[05:07] <nuvolari> Maaz: help me with looking things up
[05:07] <Maaz> nuvolari: I use the following features for looking things up: apt-file, aptitude, bash, bible, dict, distance, dns, factoid, feeds, fml, fortune, google, help, imdb, lastfm, lotto, mac, man, microblog, mlia, oeis, ports, rfc, seen, tfln, tinyurl, tld, translate, tvshow, unicode, weather and youtube
[05:07] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[05:08] <nuvolari> Maaz: how do I use microblog
[05:08] <Maaz> nuvolari: Looks up messages on microblogging services like twitter and identica. You can use it like this:
[05:08] <Maaz>   latest (tweet|identica) from <name>
[05:08] <Maaz>   (tweet|identica) <number>
[05:08] <nuvolari> Maaz: latest tweet from vogella
[05:08] <Maaz> nuvolari: "RT @GooglePlusTweet Google+ is now open to anyone with a Google account. http://t.co/5qVu4Eh and sign up! #GooglePlus" 6 minutes and 21 seconds ago, http://twitter.com/vogella/statuses/88835124564738048
[07:40] <sakhi> morning
[07:41] <Kerbero> o/
[07:41]  * Kerbero wants a google+ invite
[07:41] <Kerbero> seems like nuvolari's link won't give me access
[07:42] <Kilos> morning superfly and all you others
[07:42] <kbmonkey> mornin
[07:42] <Kerbero> goeiedag
[07:42] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:42] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey 
[07:42] <Kilos> dag Kerbero 
[07:42] <superfly> Kilos: I read this morning that Google+ is supposedly open now
[07:43] <Kerbero> nuvo said that too
[07:43] <kbmonkey> i heard that too superfly, can't find the link though
[07:43] <Kerbero> [07:08] <Maaz> nuvolari: "RT @GooglePlusTweet Google+ is now open to anyone with a Google account. http://t.co/5qVu4Eh and sign up! #GooglePlus" 6 minutes and 21 seconds ago, http://twitter.com/vogella/statuses/88835124564738048
[07:43] <Kilos> ty superfly will have a quick look. yesterday killed my data with all the googling
[07:43] <Kilos> i dunno why browsing eats so much
[07:44] <Kilos> lo sdehaan 
[07:45] <Kilos> ah i got your mail ty superfly 
[07:46] <kbmonkey> i'm on g+ too :)
[07:46] <Kilos> i go see if i can comment on your post
[07:46] <Kerbero> kbmonkey: please invite me
[07:46] <kbmonkey> sure Kerbero 
[07:46] <Kerbero> :D
[07:46]  * Symmetria snores at mirror server
[07:47] <Kilos> even corrie and nuvo
[07:47] <Symmetria> heh, busy rsynching sourceforge from one array onto a mirrored array for more redundancy
[07:47] <kbmonkey> pm vir my jou email Kerbero
[07:47] <Symmetria> this is gonna take a longgggggggggggggggggg time
[07:47] <Symmetria> like, days :P
[07:49] <Kilos> i can see your page superfly but it ghives this at the top of the screen. maybe i must try login again
[07:49] <Kilos> There was a problem completing this action. Please try again
[07:49] <Kilos> lol
[07:52] <Kilos> nope. same black window saying same as yesterday
[07:52] <Kilos> sigh
[07:52] <Kilos> maybe they dont like epiphany
[07:54] <Kilos> we try again some other time
[07:55] <Kilos> better to have some coffee
[07:55] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:55]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:55] <superfly> Kilos: it tells me that from time to time... I just ignore it
[07:55] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[07:55] <Maaz> superfly: Done
[07:56] <Symmetria> heh, wow, the disk read speeds on mirror are *bizarre* now 
[07:56] <Symmetria> because with what we did now, when you reading, you are reading the same file split between 30 disks 
[07:57] <Kilos> i have a mail from google+ with links to your and other comments and can go see them but it wont log me in so i will try from the fone tonight
[07:57]  * Symmetria is scared of what facebook did last night :(
[07:58] <Kilos> you think its gonna be bad Symmetria 
[07:59] <Kilos> peeps are already skyping and webcamming with pidgin etc
[07:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and superfly!
[07:59] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you my buddy bot
[07:59] <Maaz> Kilos: no problemo
[07:59] <Symmetria> kilos, yeah, but there is a major difference between the vaguely tech savvy finding pidgin and skype etc vs 600 million cluebies having dead easy access to it in their browser
[08:00] <Symmetria> a MAJOR difference
[08:00] <Kilos> ah
[08:01] <Kilos> i see what you getting at. now it gonna be everyone on facebook too
[08:01] <Kilos> wizzy hi
[08:01] <Kilos> long time no see
[08:02] <wizzy> Kilos: howzit
[08:03] <Kilos> good ty wizzy and you?
[08:06] <wizzy> usual stuff, breakfast, lunch, weather
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <wizzy> beer
[08:26] <kbmonkey> Kerbero, let me know if i need to resend that invite
[08:27] <Kerbero> did not receive it yet
[08:28]  * Kilos watches to see if Kerbero gets in there
[08:28] <Kilos> then we will know if apartheid is thriving
[10:45] <Symmetria> holy crap 
[10:45] <Symmetria> I just got an invoice for EU import duties for stuff we imported into the netherlands
[10:45]  * Symmetria chokes on his coffee
[10:54]  * inetpro lol at Symmetria
[10:54] <inetpro> sounds very bad
[10:54] <Symmetria> inetpro, 13 THOUSAND Euro invoice I wasnt expecting
[10:54]  * Symmetria chokes again
[10:54] <inetpro> eish
[10:54] <inetpro> Symmetria: BTW, the facebook skype think will be very very interesting
[10:55] <Symmetria> no, it will be spawn of satan
[10:55] <inetpro> and so will the google hangout feature
[10:56] <inetpro> well I agree with you, will be a nightmare to deal with
[10:57] <inetpro> Symmetria: 13 THOUSAND Euro invoice? Yikes!
[10:58] <inetpro> Symmetria: but that's only like R125k
[10:59] <inetpro> should be pocket money for you
[11:02] <Symmetria> heh still a lot of money
[11:02] <Symmetria> :P
[11:02]  * Symmetria mutters
[11:08] <inetpro> Symmetria: sure thing, sorry 
[12:14] <Kerbero> Symmetria: why do you need a router in amsterdam?
[12:24] <wizzy> Kerbero: the packets have to get out
[12:41] <Symmetria> kerbero heh, same reason we have routers in london, more transit / peering
[12:41] <Symmetria> we have some very very big routers in london as well
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[12:41] <Symmetria> heh, the AMS router was $162k USD :P
[12:42] <marcog> http://twitpic.com/5mgxsy
[12:42] <marcog> ^ in NWU
[13:45] <Kilos> Kerbero, did youre g+ work?
[14:22] <Kilos> lol Symmetria they said on idiot box news there are 740 million fb peeps
[14:23] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:23]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[14:23] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[14:23] <kbmonkey> are you on g+ as well?
[14:24] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey you well
[14:24] <Kilos> i have tried kbmonkey it doesnt want me
[14:24] <kbmonkey> yes, well, ooh coffee. don't mind if I do.
[14:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[14:25] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Yessir
[14:25] <Kilos> i can seeothers comments that i get links to inna mail but cant login on my own
[14:26] <Kilos> so i dunno how it can mail me and say view comments on so and so's posts
[14:26] <kbmonkey> so you logged into to gmail, but you can't comment or do stuff?
[14:26] <Kilos> from the links i see their posts
[14:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and kbmonkey!
[14:27] <Kilos> but if i try login it says it will notify me when i can get in
[14:27] <Kilos> lol
[14:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, rusks please
[14:27] <Maaz> Sorry kbmonkey I only have Romany Creams today
[14:27] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[14:27] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[14:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, dankie!
[14:27] <Maaz> Groot plesier kbmonkey my vriend
[14:28] <Kilos> everyone has always told me google is your friend and didnt want to believe me when i said google isnt my friend
[14:29] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha!
[14:29] <kbmonkey> neither is facebook
[14:29] <Kilos> yeah fb just wants to eat my data
[14:30] <Kilos> swines
[14:31] <Kilos> Superhuman, you still alive??
[14:32] <Kilos> kbmonkey, have you looked at floss.pro
[14:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I think you should try very early in the morning
[14:49] <inetpro> they seem to open up and close again in short spells
[14:49] <Kilos> ah ty inetpro 
[14:50] <inetpro> I'd say early morning our time is probably low peak time for americanos
[14:50] <inetpro> or am I wrong?
[14:50] <Kilos> oh are they the hogs
[14:50] <Kilos> hehe
[14:51] <Kilos> as usual
[14:51] <inetpro> I'm guessing so
[14:51] <Kilos> they 5 or 6 hours behind us i think
[14:51] <Kilos> forget now
[14:55] <Kilos> Maaz, time in washington dc
[14:55] <Maaz> Kilos: It is 2011-07-07 10:55:40 EDT
[15:10] <Kerbero> Kilos: nope @ g+
[15:10] <kbmonkey> I saw floss.pro before but havent used it really
[15:11] <kbmonkey> i suffer from info overload on microblogs so not on twitter and such much :p
[15:15] <Kilos> ah inetpro itroduced me to them
[15:15] <Kilos> all about linux
[15:15] <Kilos> i like anyone thats not a ms freak
[15:16]  * inetpro lol
[15:16] <kbmonkey> +1
[15:19] <Kilos> wish i could get sugarplum to go work on a windows machine
[15:19] <Kilos> they hacked tara's mail and spammed all over the world from it
[15:20] <Kilos> hacked/cracked?
[15:24] <kbmonkey> cracked is the one that has malicious intent. 
[15:24] <Kilos> yeah then its that one
[15:24] <kbmonkey> but cracked involves exploiting vulnerabilities
[15:25] <Kilos> she spent a day mailing apologies
[15:25] <kbmonkey> if a password is guess its probably just 'guessed'. lol
[15:25] <Kilos> lol
[15:26] <Kilos> they have programs to crack passwords i am sure
[15:26] <kbmonkey> access is got through other means too, like social engineering, link spoofing etc
[15:26] <kbmonkey> yes you can brute force passwords, but local only. online passwords are (usually) protected by delays.
[15:27] <Kilos> ah
[15:27] <kbmonkey> like if you try log in too many times, too quickly, your IP is blocked for a short period :)
[15:27] <Kilos> oh nyes thats happened to me
[15:27] <Kilos> sim cards do it too
[15:28] <kbmonkey> normally someone tricks you into clicking a link by making it look like a legit email, from a site you know. but secretly you go to a spoof site, and bam, you give them your login :(
[15:29] <kbmonkey> and thats why people sign email with pgp - to verify the sender really is the person you think it is - you cannot fake a pgp signature :)
[15:29] <Kilos> how you do that
[15:29] <kbmonkey> i find security so interesting
[15:30] <Kilos> i hogging your time again
[15:30] <Kilos> very
[15:30] <Kilos> she does art work for peeps all over the world so must open her mails to get new commissions
[15:31] <Kilos> one of them must cracked her mail
[15:31] <kbmonkey> usually in your email client account settings, you can setup email signing. evolution can im sure\
[15:31] <Kilos> i go look
[15:31] <kbmonkey> yes it's tricky if you receive email from new sources all the time.
[15:32] <kbmonkey> i guess, its important to never give out any login before checking url too. but who does that each time, right? ;)
[15:32] <Kilos> yeah
[15:33] <kbmonkey> we ned to start a 'sign your email' movement
[15:33] <Kilos> thats a good idea
[15:34] <kbmonkey> linux makes it easier though. windows doesn't, so most win users don't even know about it :(
[15:34] <Kilos> they the ones that suffer the most
[15:35] <kbmonkey> yup. and its not their fault. its the sneaky devils who want to steal >:(
[15:36] <kbmonkey> http://www.secure-my-email.com has some nice infos if you bored :)
[15:40] <Kilos> i see i have a signature in my evolution but dunno if it goes out with each mail
[15:40] <Kilos> my linux registration number
[15:41] <kbmonkey> that signature gets added to the end of each email
[15:41] <kbmonkey> what we want is called a "digital signature", its a different one
[15:41] <Kilos> i try send it to one of my other mails addresses
[15:42] <Kilos> ah
[15:42] <kbmonkey> have you signed the Ubuntu COC Kilos ?
[15:42] <Kilos> whats that kbmonkey 
[15:42] <Kilos> code of conduct
[15:43] <kbmonkey> the Code of Conduct 
[15:43] <Kilos> think i tried to long ago and couldnt get it to work and then forgot about it
[15:43] <kbmonkey> okay well to sign that, you need a pgp signature. I was just asking to see if you have a php sig yet :) i guess not
[15:44] <Kilos> where we go do that
[15:44] <Kilos> thats most likely why
[15:45] <Kilos> how do i get a pgp signature
[15:45] <kbmonkey> mmm, lets see
[15:46] <kbmonkey> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[15:47] <Kilos> im not lazy to google. googling just eats data
[15:49] <kbmonkey> i cant find a official instruction on this
[15:49] <Kilos> yeah i was there and read that before but couldnt get to sign it
[15:49] <Kilos> near the top in red
[15:50] <Kilos> sign the canonical copy online
[15:50] <Kilos> lol thats part of what caught me. how can i sign a thing if i am here
[15:50] <kbmonkey> try https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct
[15:52] <kbmonkey> and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[15:52] <kbmonkey> and for more you can google "how to sign the ubuntu code of conduct site:ubuntuforums.org" -- that narrows down your search results a lot!
[15:56] <Kilos> eish now launchpad forgot my password
[16:03] <Kilos> eish i in system prefs  password and encryption keys. when i select my personal keys nothing shows so how i add one if i dont have one?
[16:07] <Kilos> whew this is frightening
[16:10] <kbmonkey> he he
[16:11] <kbmonkey> well if none show then it means you haven't created any yet
[16:11] <Kilos> lol
[16:11] <Kilos> i even at the get help online place
[16:11] <kbmonkey> the process is a little new if you haven't done it before
[16:11] <Kilos> do you create it on your own pc?
[16:11] <kbmonkey> yes
[16:11] <Kilos> hehe
[16:12] <Kilos> million dollar question. How
[16:12] <kbmonkey> you then upload your public key to the ubuntu keyserver
[16:12] <kbmonkey> isn't there a "New" menu 
[16:13] <kbmonkey> in Passwords and encryption keys?
[16:13] <Kilos> ya in file there is a new
[16:14] <kbmonkey> cool, try that :)
[16:14] <kbmonkey> you can make a few test ones if you like
[16:14] <Kilos> lol must i add a comment in too?
[16:14] <Kilos> hehe
[16:14] <kbmonkey> the final one you would upload to the key server in the end ok
[16:15] <kbmonkey> sure, why not he he
[16:15] <Kilos> lol no man 
[16:15] <kbmonkey> test ones are okay, but remember, the final one you keep
[16:15] <Kilos> is it needed
[16:15] <Kilos> this too heavy i only gonna make one
[16:16] <Kilos> i ticked the pgp key option
[16:16] <kbmonkey> no not needed
[16:16] <Kilos> ok now i hit create
[16:17] <Kilos> yay its making one
[16:17] <kbmonkey> okay. yes go through that wiki page it explains a lot, more than I can 
[16:17] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[16:17]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:18] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[16:18] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[16:18] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[16:18] <Maaz> Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow
[16:18] <Kilos> Maaz, and sugar
[16:18] <Maaz> Do something yourself Kilos
[16:18] <kbmonkey> tsk! rude Maaz >:(
[16:19] <Kilos> from where is this thing actually generating this key
[16:19] <Kilos> its very slow
[16:20] <kbmonkey> its locally generated
[16:20] <kbmonkey> but its cryptographic
[16:20] <kbmonkey> so uses random data from your disks, mouse, keyboard... to generate your unique keys
[16:20] <Kilos> yay its done
[16:20] <Kilos> got all my mail addy etc
[16:20] <Kilos> is the number at the end the key or everything\
[16:21] <kbmonkey> there's a whole study behind the generation of cryptographic keys. its crazy. some people even use weather data as random input for entropy
[16:21] <Kilos> wow
[16:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[16:22] <kbmonkey> sweet!
[16:22] <Kilos> Maaz, and rusks
[16:22] <Maaz> I hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are
[16:22] <kbmonkey> Maaz, thanks
[16:22] <Maaz> kbmonkey: No problem
[16:22] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:22] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[16:22] <kbmonkey> arg, Maaz you lied :P
[16:22] <Kilos> lol
[16:22] <kbmonkey> he said there's only romanys
[16:23] <Kilos> he has to hide them or cocooncrash eats them all
[16:23] <kbmonkey> im not on ubuntu now Kilos and dont have that same pgp program
[16:23] <Kilos> but you did well helping me ty very much
[16:23] <Kilos> now i have a key 
[16:24] <Kilos> just need to save it somewhere i can find it
[16:25] <kbmonkey> no, its already saved in your profile
[16:25] <Kilos> wow if you open it it is over 20 lines of code/scrypt
[16:26] <kbmonkey> i suggest finding some tutorials on how to sign some text files (like your shopping list or cheese cake recipe)
[16:26] <Kilos> lol
[16:26] <kbmonkey> they help make understand how it works lol
[16:27] <Kilos> you wanna kill me
[16:27] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha
[16:27] <kbmonkey> i kill myself too
[16:27] <kbmonkey> okay fine, lesson over for today ;)
[16:27] <kbmonkey> now can we play some Wesnoth, oom?
[16:28] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <Kilos> i still gotta go sign the code of conduct
[16:28] <Kilos> no time for games
[16:29] <kbmonkey> well to sign it, you download that COC as a text file, and then you sign that text file with your key you just made
[16:29] <kbmonkey> that's why I said, find some tuts on how to sign files ;)
[16:30] <kbmonkey> signing creates a 'digital signature' that only your key can make. 
[16:31] <kbmonkey> its like saying 'this file is approved by me'. if anyone changes the file however, your signature will not match, and that's how you can tell the file was tampered with
[16:32] <Kilos> ah
[16:33] <kbmonkey> same goes for emails. you sign an email, if anybody changes or tries to fake your email, we can tell so as your digital signature doesnt match :)
[16:33] <Kilos> to sign that COC i just downloaded can i just drag my key into it
[16:34] <kbmonkey> NO
[16:34] <Kilos> aw
[16:34] <kbmonkey> eek. thats dangerous!
[16:34] <kbmonkey> you should read that wiki page :) 
[16:34] <kbmonkey> you have a public key, and a private key. your private key must *always* be kept private
[16:35] <kbmonkey> if anybody else gets hold of that private key, they can impersonate you!
[16:35] <kbmonkey> the public key is the one you give your friends, and they use that to check against your signatures
[16:36] <Kilos> is it just those numders at the end of the key
[16:36] <kbmonkey> this shows you exactly how to sign the CoC: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[16:36] <Kilos> ok
[16:36] <kbmonkey> the signing part
[16:41] <kbmonkey> that reminds me: i need to import my own keys. i backed them up before reformatting.hmmm
[16:42] <Kilos> whew
[16:42] <kbmonkey> if you lose your keys, they're gone. poof. the only insurance is to issue revocation keys.
[16:42] <Kilos> this gets more frightening by the minute\
[16:42] <kbmonkey> ha ha! :P sorry!
[16:43] <Kilos> lol
[16:43] <kbmonkey> just play some mission impossible tunes while you do, and its all exciting and not frightening
[16:43] <Kilos> lol
[16:44] <kbmonkey> id say just play around for now, dont worry about the coc yet. 
[16:44] <kbmonkey> make a test key, sign some files, encrypt others. and maybe tomorrow try again
[16:44] <Kilos> i got the key now just to find how to give it to launchpad then i done with keys
[16:45] <Kilos> this toooo involved for a bally
[16:45] <kbmonkey> ag nee! never too old
[16:46] <kbmonkey> old people have better attention spans than kids anyway ;)
[16:46] <Kilos> this is like you fixing an automatic gearbox outa a merc
[16:46] <Kilos> not me
[16:47] <Kilos> head doesnt allow such concentration
[16:47] <kbmonkey> i feel bad now, dont worry too much of it yet :
[16:47] <kbmonkey> i must be weird, to find this fun!
[16:48] <Kilos> no you grew up with pcs
[16:48] <kbmonkey> only the DOS part tho ;)
[16:49] <Kilos> lol
[16:49] <kbmonkey> this I got into with ubuntu in 2009 or so
[16:50] <Kilos> thats when i started about
[16:50] <Kilos> pc before was one that ran from 5 1/2 inch floppy
[16:50] <Kilos> no hdd
[16:53] <kbmonkey> lol!
[16:53] <Kilos> and dont forget i busted head since then 
[16:54] <kbmonkey> thats okay, I had only secondhand 486's - was like doctor frankenstein building monsters from other parts
[16:54] <Kilos> lol
[16:55] <kbmonkey> awe, pastebin is having load issues, shame :(
[16:55] <Kilos> i use slexy.org
[16:55] <Kilos> pastebin makes my pc slow
[16:55] <Kilos> dunno why
[16:56] <kbmonkey> http://slexy.org/view/s2SrxTzGW5
[16:57] <kbmonkey> I signed a recipe 
[16:57] <kbmonkey> you can see how it looks
[16:57] <kbmonkey> that digital mess at the bottom, my signature, is unique to this recipe.
[16:57] <Kilos> ah
[16:58] <kbmonkey> nice recipe, try it some time
[16:58] <Kilos> whew this is serious business hey
[16:59] <Kilos> i will save it in my recipes to take with to aus one day
[16:59] <Kilos> chocolate bunny
[16:59] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[17:00] <kbmonkey> :P
[17:54] <Kilos> yoo hoo been a member at launchpad since 2009-09-17 and just managed to get a pgp key registered with them
[18:05] <Kilos> but i still sukkeling to sign the COC
[18:16] <kbmonkey> how so?
[18:17] <kbmonkey> hoe so oom?
[18:17] <Kilos> it says i must run this
[18:17] <Kilos> gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt
[18:17] <kbmonkey> yes
[18:17] <Kilos> then its asks for a passphrase
[18:18] <Kilos> i sure i used my password but it tells me
[18:18] <Kilos> gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session
[18:18] <Kilos> sigh
[18:18] <Kilos> and i gotta do that and copy paste it to the COC sign
[18:21] <Kilos> i been with launchpad 2 months short of 2 years they can see i not a bad guy
[18:21] <kbmonkey> he he
[18:21] <kbmonkey> try that again Kilos, add a --no-use-agent option this time
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:21] <kbmonkey> gpg --no-use-agent --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt
[18:21] <Kilos> at the end of that long command
[18:21] <Kilos> oh ty
[18:22] <kbmonkey> i just googled tha error and thats what ubuntu forums says we must do
[18:23] <Kilos> eish
[18:23] <Kilos> File `UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt.asc' exists. Overwrite? (y/N) 
[18:23] <Kilos> must i overwrite it?
[18:23] <kbmonkey> your call
[18:23] <kbmonkey> what's inside it?
[18:24] <Kilos> that was what came up in cli after i enter passphrase
[18:24] <Kilos> hasnt opened yet
[18:24] <kbmonkey> yes overwrite
[18:24] <Kilos> ok
[18:24] <kbmonkey> when you sign a file, it makes a copy with a .asc at the end. 
[18:25] <kbmonkey> so it doesnt touch your original file, it makes a new one for you
[18:25] <Kilos> oh so now i use the other command again
[18:25] <kbmonkey> no? what other command?
[18:26] <Kilos> gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt
[18:26] <kbmonkey> no, you just did
[18:26] <kbmonkey> we just added an option to it not to use the GUI agent (it caused that error)
[18:27] <kbmonkey> so you're done, signed ;)
[18:27] <Kilos> i still gotta open it and copy paste something to the coc place
[18:27] <Kilos> i am here to sign
[18:27] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.1/+sign
[18:28] <Kilos> these are the instructions
[18:29] <Kilos> In a terminal, run the command:
[18:29] <Kilos> gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt
[18:29] <Kilos> (or whatever filename you gave to the code). This will create a file with a name like UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt.asc.
[18:29] <kbmonkey> check
[18:29] <Kilos> Open that new file, and copy and paste its contents into this box. Then click “Continue”
[18:29] <kbmonkey> ok
[18:30] <Kilos> lol now you see why i only want to do this once
[18:30] <Squirm> good evening
[18:30] <kbmonkey> evening Squirm 
[18:30] <kbmonkey> does it work Kilos ?
[18:30] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[18:30] <Maaz> Squirm: There isn't a pot on
[18:30] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[18:30]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:30] <kbmonkey> we drank it all Squirm ;)
[18:30]  * Squirm gets  Maaz to make some more :)
[18:31] <Kilos> now that other command wants to overwrite it again
[18:31] <Kilos> sigh
[18:33] <Kilos> neither of those commands opens anything to copy paste
[18:34] <Kilos> both want to overwrite
[18:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[18:34] <Squirm> :D
[18:34] <Squirm> Maaz: thank you
[18:34] <Maaz> Squirm: No problem
[18:34]  * Kilos does like Symmetria and bashes my head against the wall
[18:35] <Kilos> lo Squirm 
[18:35] <Kilos> have you signed the COC
[18:35] <Kilos> hehe
[18:35] <Squirm> heya Kilos
[18:35] <Squirm> COC?
[18:35] <Kilos> code of conduct
[18:36] <Kilos> ubuntu code of conduct
[18:37] <Kilos> its a murderous document to sign
[18:37] <Kilos> lo kodez 
[18:38] <kodez> hi kilos, how are you?
[18:38] <Kilos> im ready to commit sewerage pipe here
[18:38] <Kilos> well ty kodez 
[18:38] <Kilos> and you?
[18:39] <kodez> it feels good to be back. it's back to basics time
[18:39] <Kilos> basics are good
[18:39] <Kilos> strong foundations make for strong buildings
[18:47] <kbmonkey> hello kodez 
[18:47] <Kilos> Squirm, chickened out
[18:47] <Kilos> hehe
[18:48] <Squirm> I dont use Ubuntu anymore
[18:48] <Kilos> aw
[18:48] <kodez> hi kbmonkey
[18:48] <Kilos> what you using now Squirm 
[18:48] <Squirm> although I use debian
[18:48] <kbmonkey> Im using crunchbang now Squirm, debian based.
[18:49] <Squirm> kbmonkey: I heard it was really good
[18:49] <Squirm> another guy recommended it to me, I just had no bandwidth at the time
[18:49] <kbmonkey> I have 11.04 installed, but its not online - need wireless drivers ;p
[18:49] <Squirm> I started of with a minimal debian net install, so I installed stuff from the ground up
[18:49] <kbmonkey> need wireless to download drivers, cant download without wireless. catch 22
[18:49] <Squirm> it increased the battery life of my netbook by like 1 or 2 hours
[18:50] <Squirm> pekwm and pcmanfm
[18:50] <Squirm> pekwm is kinda cool
[18:52] <Kilos> eish
[18:52] <Kilos> kbmonkey, did you look in synaptic for wireless programs
[18:54] <Squirm> Kilos: he still needs internet
[18:54] <Squirm> kbmonkey: no cable?
[18:54] <Squirm> stupid question
[18:54] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:55] <Kilos> use your cellfone as a modem just to get the wireless drivers
[18:56] <Kilos> ian had the same prob to get something for his usb modem
[18:57] <Kilos> modeswitch i think it was
[18:57] <Kilos> cellphones are handy at times
[18:57] <kbmonkey> my cable is like 3 meters too short ha ha. i _could_ unhook everything and lug it the other side, but guess what.. im lazy
[18:57] <kbmonkey> i dont think my bb can tether 
[18:57] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[18:58] <kbmonkey> rephrase: i have the drivers, but I need to install the linux kernel headers to compile them. too much for my little phone
[18:58] <Kilos> um maybe if you load the bb software throuhg wine
[18:58] <Kilos> my boet uses his bb with win7
[18:59] <Kilos> so must be able to work with linux
[18:59] <Squirm> umm
[18:59] <Squirm> the support is shocking
[18:59] <Squirm> only time I got it to dial is via bluetooth
[18:59] <Squirm> to Ubuntu that is
[18:59] <Squirm> so should be able to do it via cable, I just have no bloody idea how to
[19:00] <Kilos> if you plug it in it should show up in nm
[19:00] <Kilos> oh you not on ubun tu
[19:00] <Kilos> nm sees the type of fone and all
[19:01] <Squirm> it never when I was with Ubuntu
[19:01] <kbmonkey> ah i could try that, I do use nm
[19:01] <Squirm> tbh I havent used the new release
[19:01] <kbmonkey> BB allows tethering now? really?
[19:02] <Squirm> kbmonkey: I've used it as a modem through a bluetooth DUN connection
[19:02] <Squirm> and windows can do it
[19:03] <kbmonkey> did it take your signed message, Kilos ?
[19:04] <Kilos> i cant open anything to copy paste to the sign in kbmonkey 
[19:05] <Kilos> both those commands just wanna overwrite but open nothing to copy/paste
[19:05] <kbmonkey> open nothing? empty file?
[19:05] <Kilos> and evolution cant find the pgp key either
[19:05] <Kilos> no it just goes back to $
[19:07] <Kilos> but at launchpad they now have my key , i just cant sign the coc
[19:07] <kbmonkey> you sound confused
[19:07] <Kilos> lol
[19:07] <kbmonkey> so you signed it
[19:07] <Kilos> no
[19:07] <kbmonkey> now open that file?
[19:07] <Kilos> i um
[19:07] <Kilos> what file
[19:07] <kbmonkey> lol!
[19:08] <Kilos> rofl
[19:08] <kbmonkey> you have the .txt coc
[19:08] <Kilos> you got me
[19:08] <Kilos> yes
[19:08] <kbmonkey> and when you sign the .txt, it makes a new .asc file
[19:08] <kbmonkey> open that .asc file 
[19:08] <kbmonkey> okay, maybe this is going too fast. we need a professional ubuntu team guy to help :)
[19:09] <Kilos> thats the 20 lines of code you said i must send them
[19:09] <kbmonkey> im not a good instructor in this field
[19:10] <kbmonkey> 20 lines? mmm, don't they ask you to copy the entire file contents?
[19:10] <kbmonkey> see here, this is what i copied: https://launchpad.net/~wesley-werner/+codesofconduct
[19:10] <Kilos> here is the signin page
[19:10] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.1/+sign
[19:11] <kbmonkey> at step 3
[19:11] <Kilos> lol it wont allow me to look there cause i am signed in as me as well
[19:12] <kbmonkey> oh ha ha. okay well copy the entire contents of .asc file
[19:12] <Kilos> ok
[19:13] <Kilos> it ends with end pgp publick key block
[19:15] <Kilos> thats that whole file the pgp key goodie generated
[19:15] <Kilos> must i send that to launchpad?
[19:16] <Kilos> lol there is an error, no signatures found
[19:19] <Kilos> luckily i dont drink or i would be falling off the chair here
[19:41] <Kilos> we give up this pgp thing for today
[19:43] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[19:56]  * nlsthzn waves
[20:07]  * kbmonkey waves back
[20:12]  * nlsthzn runs and hides again
[20:45] <inetpro> good evening
[21:26]  * nlsthzn spies an inetpro some time after he spoke...
[21:26] <inetpro> hmm
[21:28]  * nlsthzn continues to lurn unseen...
[21:30] <inetpro> nlsthzn: lurn?
[21:30] <nlsthzn> inetpro: doh... *lurk :p
[21:30] <inetpro> ahh, thought so :-)
[21:31]  * nlsthzn isn't here... he is but a figmant of your imagination... carry on...