[00:11] astraljava: Little late, but I haven't used it, I just heard horrors about it... [01:57] charlie-tca: our past news announcements have been very basic "Xubuntu 11.04 alpha 1 released" and such, do we want that "Another great milestone.." thing to be the title now, or just a tagline? (I'm thinking tagline) [01:57] doh! [01:57] Good one ;) [01:58] * pleia2 fails at timing :) [02:01] charlie-tca: our past news announcements have been very basic "Xubuntu 11.04 alpha 1 released" and such, do we want that "Another great milestone.." thing to be the title now, or just a tagline? (I'm thinking tagline) [02:01] okay, I'm fine with that [02:01] I just hope to get people excited, somehow [02:02] :) [02:02] I am not much of a writer, just kind of hoping to get some people excited about Xubuntu [02:05] * Unit193 is -1 writer [02:05] charlie-tca: mind if I change the long bit in the parentheses to a Please note: instead? [02:05] This will be on the side of the homepage? [02:05] looks a bit funny to have a multi-line parentetical [02:07] actually, I can make it not multi-line by changing text formatting a little [02:07] ok, draft saved, just need to publish in the morning when the isos are let out into the wild :) [02:08] ack, it's showing up in the list anyway [02:09] so much for prepping a draft, stupid drupal [02:13] It's not showing up on xubuntu.org if that's what you're saying... [02:13] yeah, i removed the draft [02:14] Go ahead [02:14] I expect the release around 10:00 UTC again, but we will see [02:14] Go ahead with any changes you think are needed. [02:16] thanks [02:16] I will be sleeping at 10UTC :) [02:16] I'll update when I wake up [02:16] Okay [02:17] I'll have to remember to check that... On another note, I just about finished up on 32alt autoresize [02:17] and it worked? [02:19] Normal issues, few icons missing, partly xfce theme, etc. [02:20] So, it worked [02:20] Yep! [02:20] all the bugs should be in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot [02:22] All but the guest one (That I can think of/see now) [02:25] but no new ones yet? [02:27] Nope, not that I can see [02:27] Okay, I have to go now and rest [02:27] Have a great nap ;) [15:05] Not released yet, will be watching #ubuntu-release for the announcement [15:55] * pleia2 waves to charlie-tca [16:04] is alpha 2 out already? [16:05] it is! [16:05] working on ubuntu-news post for big ubuntu, then adding xubuntu one to our site [16:06] great :) [16:09] http://xubuntu.org/node/47 [16:15] alpha2 is released [16:16] as of 15 minutes ago [16:16] pleia2: apparently 10:00 my time [16:16] :) [16:23] Please advise people to read the technical overview before they try oneiric. It will cause great headaches if they don't. [16:23] charlie-tca: got a bug that maybe we should trackL bug 807090 [16:23] Launchpad bug 807090 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "New Login doesn't work since /usr/bin/gdmflexiserver is missing with lightdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807090 [16:24] Oh, goody, can't that be part of the missing session settings? [16:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/803499 [16:25] Ubuntu bug 803499 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu session using wrong settings" [High,Triaged] [16:25] well, Ubuntu will technically have the issue as well, but idk if they'll do anything about it since they don't ship xscreensaver [16:25] ideally this should be in some type of shared/global package vs xubuntu specific, but I think we should track it since we're impacted OOTB [16:25] Not until the next milestone, at least, when they actually work on the high importance bugs reported on the ISO tracker [16:31] adding lightdm to it, since that directly affects this bug [16:33] micahg: added to oneiric bug watches for us [16:39] is ubuntu using thunderbird as default on oneiric? [16:39] yes [16:39] They added it for alpha2 [16:40] The final decision has not been made yet, whether or not it will really replace evolution. [16:40] just looking at it. they made some improvements with unity [16:40] Expect that decision for alpha3 [16:40] :) [16:53] Many thanks to everyone for helping get Oneiric Ocelot Alpha2 out! This was a difficult milestone, as can be seen by the number of flavours not releasing it. [17:19] charlie-tca: thanks [17:20] Thank you. Feel free to add bugs to the watch, if you spot them. [17:20] It at least gives us a quick list to them [18:49] * pleia2 hugs meetingology [18:50] He just had a name change in #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic :D [18:51] That should make it easier [18:52] Quite! Thanks to AlanBell and #ubuntu-irc ! [19:12] Guess I can go work on my grass some more, but it is hot out there for me [21:13] so, bots are now 20% of the channel :-/ [21:13] 3 of them are supybots [21:15] and two of them we will actually use [21:16] oh, well [21:16] well, 3 are interactive, one passive [21:16] now that we have 20% bots, can we also leave the talking to them?? [21:16] yes [21:16] good [21:16] but still, the point was that we need more people :) [21:16] i would love to see the bots talk to each other :) [21:16] * knome lapses to an infinite idle [21:16] Agreed. Now how to get more people? [21:17] hm, the thing is, we shouldn't just get *anybody* but people who are at least 1) motivated and 2) capable [21:24] Looks like I shouldn't be here, I only have half the 1st [21:25] I am motivated, at least [21:26] Unit193 & charlie-tca, in total you make 0,75 [21:26] Well, that's something, anyway [21:26] out of four... [21:26] err [21:26] not [21:26] :P [21:26] 0,75 out of 2 [21:26] heh, confusing, isn't it? [21:26] no wait, what [21:26] 0,75% [21:26] err! [21:26] 75%! [21:27] i blame the beer [21:27] not enough of it yet [21:28] Me and Charlie both are motivated, but we are not capable? [21:29] you said that yourself [21:29] Aye, that I did! I'm just summing it up ;) [21:29] so because you both have the same half, i suppose that makes a strong 0,25 and then 0,25 [21:30] * micahg is quite confused [21:30] so probably a strong 0,375 [21:30] Exactly! [21:31] ochosi, what's the lower limit? [22:14] hehe, not sure, the lower limit is still getting a xubuntu release twice a year ;) [22:19] The only other Xubuntu user I know can't really help (And I'm working to get others converted to Xubuntu) [22:19] that's cool, i mean things are working ok at the moment [22:19] "can't really help" [22:19] we have enough updrift due to unity and gnome3 breaking the old conventions [22:20] but in a way steve (SiDi) was right recently when he said we're mostly doing packaging and painting [22:20] (s)he can advertise, write a blog, give support, triage bugs... [22:20] knome: I can barely help... He might not have the time [22:20] yeah... [22:21] but i hate those guys who tell they have bugs and they need them fixed for their work, then they maybe fix them themself but don't post the back.. [22:21] i was introduced to FOSS by a guy who pretty much never have worked with FOSS [22:21] "yeah you definitely should take part" [22:21] You don't have to worry about me, I can't program worth a lick :D [22:22] i'm not so good at plain programming either [22:22] but there are other ways you can help [22:22] * Unit193 is still trying his hand at testing with the major help of charlie and astralj [22:22] that's appreciated [22:23] And the help I'm getting from those two is also great! I couldn't do it without them! [22:24] there are so many other ways to help Xubuntu besides coding [22:25] i agree, but we could really use some coders... [22:26] is there more dev work I don't know about? [22:27] you mean apart from packaging? [22:27] yeah [22:27] well if there were more coders there would simply be more things we *could* do, e.g. improve some xfce-stuff that is important to us (e.g. indicator-plugin) [22:28] ochosi, you mean you want people to push changes beneficial to xubuntu upstream to xfce [22:28] right? [22:28] basically yes [22:30] micahg: it simply would be cool because we could deal with the unbeneficial changes to the codebase that ubuntu does way better [22:40] Well, this is so much better. Now my installation of Oneiric which had been fine lost it's Xubuntu session settings [22:40] At least it matches the alpha2 images now [22:48] ochosi: Did you change the wallpaper in greybird? [22:48] haha, I now have the xfce-stripes.png wallpaper [22:48] It also switched to tango icon set [22:49] Transformation is not complete, though. I still have indicators... [22:49] nope, didn't do a thing :) [22:51] hm, clicked on settings manager -> Desktop, and the wallpaper changed to the right one. [22:53] This is weird. The icons are now a mixed set, using both tango and xubuntu elementary [22:55] hi ya'll [22:56] Hello, Mandrew [22:56] hi charlie-tca [22:58] charlie-tca: do you have the normal elementary-icon theme installed? [22:59] yup - Installed: 2.7.1-0ubuntu1 [23:00] It's got to do with the session settings and lightdm bugs