[00:11] <Unit193> astraljava: Little late, but I haven't used it, I just heard horrors about it...
[01:57] <pleia2> charlie-tca: our past news announcements have been very basic "Xubuntu 11.04 alpha 1 released" and such, do we want that "Another great milestone.." thing to be the title now, or just a tagline? (I'm thinking tagline)
[01:57] <pleia2> doh!
[01:57] <Unit193> Good one ;)
[01:58]  * pleia2 fails at timing :)
[02:01] <pleia2> charlie-tca: our past news announcements have been very basic "Xubuntu 11.04 alpha 1 released" and such, do we want that "Another great milestone.." thing to be the title now, or just a tagline? (I'm thinking tagline)
[02:01] <charlie-tca> okay, I'm fine with that
[02:01] <charlie-tca> I just hope to get people excited, somehow
[02:02] <pleia2> :)
[02:02] <charlie-tca> I am not much of a writer, just kind of hoping to get some people excited about Xubuntu
[02:05]  * Unit193 is -1 writer
[02:05] <pleia2> charlie-tca: mind if I change the long bit in the parentheses to a Please note: instead?
[02:05] <Unit193> This will be on the side of the homepage?
[02:05] <pleia2> looks a bit funny to have a multi-line parentetical
[02:07] <pleia2> actually, I can make it not multi-line by changing text formatting a little
[02:07] <pleia2> ok, draft saved, just need to publish in the morning when the isos are let out into the wild :)
[02:08] <pleia2> ack, it's showing up in the list anyway
[02:09] <pleia2> so much for prepping a draft, stupid drupal
[02:13] <Unit193> It's not showing up on xubuntu.org if that's what you're saying...
[02:13] <pleia2> yeah, i removed the draft 
[02:14] <charlie-tca> Go ahead
[02:14] <charlie-tca> I expect the release around 10:00 UTC again, but we will see
[02:14] <charlie-tca> Go ahead with any changes you think are needed. 
[02:16] <pleia2> thanks
[02:16] <pleia2> I will be sleeping at 10UTC :)
[02:16] <pleia2> I'll update when I wake up
[02:16] <charlie-tca> Okay
[02:17] <Unit193> I'll have to remember to check that... On another note, I just about finished up on 32alt autoresize
[02:17] <charlie-tca> and it worked?
[02:19] <Unit193> Normal issues, few icons missing, partly xfce theme, etc.
[02:20] <charlie-tca> So, it worked
[02:20] <Unit193> Yep!
[02:20] <charlie-tca> all the bugs should be in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot
[02:22] <Unit193> All but the guest one (That I can think of/see now)
[02:25] <charlie-tca> but no new ones yet?
[02:27] <Unit193> Nope, not that I can see
[02:27] <charlie-tca> Okay, I have to go now and rest
[02:27] <Unit193> Have a great nap ;)
[15:05] <charlie-tca> Not released yet, will be watching #ubuntu-release for the announcement
[15:55]  * pleia2 waves to charlie-tca 
[16:04] <plantoschka> is alpha 2 out already?
[16:05] <pleia2> it is!
[16:05] <pleia2> working on ubuntu-news post for big ubuntu, then adding xubuntu one to our site
[16:06] <plantoschka> great :)
[16:09] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/node/47
[16:15] <charlie-tca> alpha2 is released
[16:16] <charlie-tca> as of 15 minutes ago
[16:16] <charlie-tca> pleia2: apparently 10:00 my time
[16:16] <pleia2> :)
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Please advise people to read the technical overview before they try oneiric. It will cause great headaches if they don't.
[16:23] <micahg> charlie-tca: got a bug that maybe we should trackL bug 807090
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Oh, goody, can't that be part of the missing session settings?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/803499
[16:25] <micahg> well, Ubuntu will technically have the issue as well, but idk if they'll do anything about it since they don't ship xscreensaver
[16:25] <micahg> ideally this should be in some type of shared/global package vs xubuntu specific, but I think we should track it since we're impacted OOTB
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Not until the next milestone, at least, when they actually work on the high importance bugs reported on the ISO tracker
[16:31] <charlie-tca> adding lightdm to it, since that directly affects this bug
[16:33] <charlie-tca> micahg: added to oneiric bug watches for us
[16:39] <plantoschka> is ubuntu using thunderbird as default on oneiric?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:39] <charlie-tca> They added it for alpha2
[16:40] <charlie-tca> The final decision has not been made yet, whether or not it will really replace evolution.
[16:40] <plantoschka> just looking at it. they made some improvements with unity
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Expect that decision for alpha3
[16:40] <plantoschka> :)
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Many thanks to everyone for helping get Oneiric Ocelot Alpha2 out! This was a difficult milestone, as can be seen by the number of flavours not releasing it.
[17:19] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Thank you. Feel free to add bugs to the watch, if you spot them. 
[17:20] <charlie-tca> It at least gives us a quick list to them
[18:49]  * pleia2 hugs meetingology 
[18:50] <Unit193> He just had a name change in #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic  :D
[18:51] <charlie-tca> That should make it easier
[18:52] <Unit193> Quite! Thanks to AlanBell and #ubuntu-irc !
[19:12] <charlie-tca> Guess I can go work on my grass some more, but it is hot out there for me
[21:13] <micahg> so, bots are now 20% of the channel :-/
[21:13] <Unit193> 3 of them are supybots
[21:15] <charlie-tca> and two of them we will actually use
[21:16] <charlie-tca> oh, well
[21:16] <micahg> well, 3 are interactive, one passive
[21:16] <knome> now that we have 20% bots, can we also leave the talking to them??
[21:16] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:16] <knome> good
[21:16] <micahg> but still, the point  was that we need more people :)
[21:16] <ochosi> i would love to see the bots talk to each other :)
[21:16]  * knome lapses to an infinite idle
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Agreed. Now how to get more people?
[21:17] <ochosi> hm, the thing is, we shouldn't just get *anybody* but people who are at least 1) motivated and 2) capable
[21:24] <Unit193> Looks like I shouldn't be here, I only have half the 1st
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I am motivated, at least
[21:26] <knome> Unit193 & charlie-tca, in total you make 0,75
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Well, that's something, anyway
[21:26] <knome> out of four...
[21:26] <knome> err
[21:26] <knome> not
[21:26] <knome> :P
[21:26] <knome> 0,75 out of 2
[21:26] <charlie-tca> heh, confusing, isn't it?
[21:26] <knome> no wait, what
[21:26] <knome> 0,75%
[21:26] <knome> err!
[21:26] <knome> 75%!
[21:27] <knome> i blame the beer
[21:27] <knome> not enough of it yet
[21:28] <Unit193> Me and Charlie both are motivated, but we are not capable?
[21:29] <knome> you said that yourself
[21:29] <Unit193> Aye, that I did! I'm just summing it up ;)
[21:29] <knome> so because you both have the same half, i suppose that makes a strong 0,25 and then 0,25
[21:30]  * micahg is quite confused
[21:30] <knome> so probably a strong 0,375
[21:30] <Unit193> Exactly!
[21:31] <knome> ochosi, what's the lower limit?
[22:14] <ochosi> hehe, not sure, the lower limit is still getting a xubuntu release twice a year ;)
[22:19] <Unit193> The only other Xubuntu user I know can't really help (And I'm working to get others converted to Xubuntu)
[22:19] <ochosi> that's cool, i mean things are working ok at the moment
[22:19] <knome> "can't really help"
[22:19] <ochosi> we have enough updrift due to unity and gnome3 breaking the old conventions
[22:20] <ochosi> but in a way steve (SiDi) was right recently when he said we're mostly doing packaging and painting
[22:20] <knome> (s)he can advertise, write a blog, give support, triage bugs...
[22:20] <Unit193> knome: I can barely help... He might not have the time
[22:20] <knome> yeah...
[22:21] <knome> but i hate those guys who tell they have bugs and they need them fixed for their work, then they maybe fix them themself but don't post the back..
[22:21] <knome> i was introduced to FOSS by a guy who pretty much never have worked with FOSS
[22:21] <knome> "yeah you definitely should take part"
[22:21] <Unit193> You don't have to worry about me, I can't program worth a lick :D
[22:22] <knome> i'm not so good at plain programming either
[22:22] <knome> but there are other ways you can help
[22:22]  * Unit193 is still trying his hand at testing with the major help of charlie and astralj
[22:22] <knome> that's appreciated
[22:23] <Unit193> And the help I'm getting from those two is also great! I couldn't do it without them!
[22:24] <micahg> there are so many other ways to help Xubuntu besides coding
[22:25] <ochosi> i agree, but we could really use some coders...
[22:26] <micahg> is there more dev work I don't know about?
[22:27] <ochosi> you mean apart from packaging?
[22:27] <micahg> yeah
[22:27] <ochosi> well if there were more coders there would simply be more things we *could* do, e.g. improve some xfce-stuff that is important to us (e.g. indicator-plugin)
[22:28] <xrdodrx`> ochosi, you mean you want people to push changes beneficial to xubuntu upstream to xfce
[22:28] <xrdodrx`> right?
[22:28] <ochosi> basically yes
[22:30] <ochosi> micahg: it simply would be cool because we could deal with the unbeneficial changes to the codebase that ubuntu does way better
[22:40] <charlie-tca> Well, this is so much better. Now my installation of Oneiric which had been fine lost it's Xubuntu session settings
[22:40] <charlie-tca> At least it matches the alpha2 images now
[22:48] <charlie-tca> ochosi: Did you change the wallpaper in greybird?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> haha, I now have the xfce-stripes.png wallpaper
[22:48] <charlie-tca> It also switched to tango icon set
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Transformation is not complete, though. I still have indicators...
[22:49] <ochosi> nope, didn't do a thing :)
[22:51] <charlie-tca> hm, clicked on settings manager -> Desktop, and the wallpaper changed to the right one.
[22:53] <charlie-tca> This is weird. The icons are now a mixed set, using both tango and xubuntu elementary
[22:55] <Mandrew> hi ya'll
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Hello, Mandrew 
[22:56] <Mandrew> hi charlie-tca 
[22:58] <ochosi> charlie-tca: do you have the normal elementary-icon theme installed?
[22:59] <charlie-tca> yup - Installed: 2.7.1-0ubuntu1
[23:00] <charlie-tca> It's got to do with the session settings and lightdm bugs