[00:00] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:01] <h00k> 2
[00:14] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, has lagged out.
[00:14] <BUGabundo> yeah
[00:14] <BUGabundo> I noticed
[00:14] <BUGabundo> bad ADSL bad
[00:17] <cwillu_at_work> hey, my home internet came back!
[00:17] <cwillu_at_work> \o/
[00:18] <BUGabundo> aah
[00:24]  * cwillu_at_work disconnects :p
[00:29]  * BUGabundo slaps cwillu_at_work with a webcam
[00:29] <cwillu_at_work> :p
[00:34] <h00k> So, I have Sandy Bridge graphics, which mesa package do I need to take advanage of them?
[00:36] <Daekdroom> Hm.. I didn't even know Mesa 7.11 had Sandy Bridge 3D accel.
[00:37] <penguin42> hmm that's not good - I just upgraded my oneiric vm to latest and mouse/keyboard have stopped working
[00:37] <h00k> penguin42: are you using lightdm?
[00:37] <penguin42> h00k: Yes
[00:37] <h00k> penguin42: I found on my actual oneric install, I had to reseat my mouse/keyboard receiver
[00:37] <penguin42>  'receiver' ?
[00:38] <h00k> penguin42: it's a small USB plug (wireless mouse/keyboard)
[00:38] <penguin42> oh I see
[00:38] <h00k> Daekdroom: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_sandy_breaks&num=1
[00:38] <penguin42> h00k: I don't have a way to do that in the VM
[00:38] <h00k> penguin42: can you detach and reattach on the bottom? somehow?
[00:38] <h00k> penguin42: on...whatever vm platform you're using?
[00:39] <Daekdroom> h00k, it should work by default.
[00:39] <Daekdroom> what does glxinfo | grep return?
[00:39] <Daekdroom> (you probably have to install mesa-utils)
[00:39] <Daekdroom> * glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[00:39] <penguin42> h00k: KVM - doesn't look like it
[00:40] <h00k> Daekdroom: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/639826/
[00:40] <h00k> Daekdroom: mesa-utils is installed
[00:41] <Daekdroom> h00k, try installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[00:41] <h00k> :D
[00:41] <Daekdroom> If it's not there, I don't think it's mesa's fault.
[00:42] <h00k> brb restarting
[00:43] <penguin42> hmm just X - there was someone on here the other day who had keyboard/mouse issues
[00:44]  * penguin42 slaps lp with a large herring
[00:45] <hggdh> anyone experiencing ubuntuone-sync-daemon looping (seemingly crashes/ends & restart, to crash/end again, etc)?
[00:46] <penguin42> hggdh: No, but I get that with ubuntu-panel-services
[00:46] <hggdh> penguin42: hell. Eating up 1 1/2 cores...
[00:49] <hggdh> penguin42: for the record, this is bug 807203 -- a bad one
[00:51] <h00k> Daekdroom: yeah, it didn't help, removed it.
[00:53] <Daekdroom> h00k, ouch
[00:55] <hggdh> yeah. removed zeitgeist, logged out/in, and ubuntuone is now kosher
 no, still looping
[01:16] <Scribbled2x> to make a long story short - upstart basically takes the first argument as the process which it is looking to start up and based upon the daemons configuration starts that daemon?  Is that correct and is the goal to get all of Ubuntu running on upstart rather than individual scripts for each daemon?  Or am I way way off base here?
[01:30] <sebsebseb>  
[02:43] <asria> hello, i just checked for updates using synaptic on oneiric ocelot and i had older gcc versions installed. now this gcc 4.6 update that got in today wants to remove all older gcc versions. is this intended?
[02:44] <rww> yes
[02:45] <asria> why would it need to do that? i still need those lder versions to compile sources that have issues with gcc 4.6. well, i know, oneiric is alpha2 and you shouldnt rely on it. but its pretty inconvenient
[02:46] <cwillu_at_work> asria, I think you answered your own question :p
[02:46] <asria> i wanted a better answer than mine. one i like more ^_~
[02:47] <cwillu_at_work> check what the dependency looks like;  you might be able to reinstall them after
[02:49] <snadge> the updates to xorg that i just installed.. are they significant enough to break an xbmc compile?
[02:49] <asria> mhm, that was what i was wondering. there doesnt seem to be a dependency conflict. it just cicks the older versions because it can, it seems. good to know that reinstalling might be possible. or force installing and messing things up, heh... but i wouldnt want to do that
[02:49] <snadge> its a bit crashy now.. so im rebuilding it.. i also had to rebuild fglrx drivers
[02:50] <snadge> against updated xorg libraries.. or it wouldnt start
[02:52] <micahg> rww: do you have a reference?
[02:52]  * micahg was wondering about the gcc thing as well
[02:52] <rww> micahg: I'm assuming it's intended behavior since autoremoval of old versions of gcc has been happening for me on Ubuntu and Debian for years.
[02:53] <micahg> right, but that's usually because they drop to universe or leave the archive, not because something replaces then in this manner AFAIK
[02:54] <rww> my package manager autoremoves packages that aren't manually installed or a depend/recommend of something manually installed. I guess things are set up differently these days though, so never mind me :|
[02:55] <cwillu_at_work> if you didn't explicitly install them (because you just installed build-essential), then they'll get removed when build-essential depends on the newer version
[03:02] <asria> reinstalling gcc 4.4 wants to remove all kinds of stuff. oh yay :/
[03:05] <snadge> good to know.. are the xorg changes just merged from debian upstream?
[03:06] <snadge> curious to know why those upgrades caused breakage for a few things
[04:16] <dupondje> Something badly broken atm ? :)
[04:18] <snadge> no more than usual :p
[04:18] <dupondje> no bit more then usual :p
[04:18] <dupondje> gnome3 doesn't start anymore :s
[04:19] <snadge> a few of my movies are causing xbmc nightly to segfault.. i dunno where to post
[04:19] <snadge> xbmc.. splitted desktop systems (for libva for xvba) amd radeon hw video decode support
[04:20] <snadge> or launchpad :p
[04:20] <dupondje> guess xmbc bugtracker ? :D
[04:20] <snadge> yeah but i know for certain that it must be driver related
[04:21] <snadge> the xbmc nightly works on my desktop system, natty.. radeon 4770, different chipset
[04:22] <snadge> i strongly suspect the xvba/splitted desktop systems driver to be the culprit which sadly has little to do with ubuntu or xbmc
[04:23] <snadge> other than that happens to be what im trying to use it with
[05:38] <h00k> Holy smokes. Ran glxgears on my Sandy Bridge after upgrading to Oneric today: 5636 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1127.193 FPS
[07:58] <kim0|oneiric> I just had a failed upgrade experience, what's the important log files
[09:38] <BigWhale> Is adding new accounts in Evolution currently broken or is this only my problem?
[10:05] <cousin_mario> hello
[10:05] <cousin_mario> is it planned to allow moving the panel and the dock in the upcoming release of unity?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[11:30] <penguin42> Hey BK
[11:31] <BluesKaj> hi pen
[11:32] <cousin_mario> Is it planned to allow moving the panel and the dock in the upcoming release of unity?
[11:34] <penguin42> hmm I don't seem to have any theming today
[11:39]  * penguin42 suddenly realises he doesn't actually mind the plain old Gnome theme
[12:15] <BigWhale> I'm having trouble running Bibble5 on Oneiric. I have amd64 version and x86_64 oneiric... it used to work with natty, now it is complaining about not finding libGL.1, when I modified the LD path it puked with./bibble5: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[12:18] <BigWhale> ok apparently bibble5 was linked against 32bit libGL
[12:24] <cousin_mario> Is it planned to allow moving the panel and the dock in the upcoming release of unity?
[12:25] <yofel> BigWhale: mesa now uses multiarch, so you'll need the /usr/lib/i686-linux-gnu/libGL or something like that
[12:26] <BigWhale> yofel, yeah, I figured it out. When I forced the use of 64bit libs I got the above error. Now I used 32bit libs and it works.
[12:26] <BigWhale> I'm already filing a bug report with the author. :)
[13:17] <zniavre> goos afternoon
[13:17] <zniavre> good*
[13:17] <zniavre> i loose keyboard shorcut as volume up/dwn and play/stop buttons
[13:18] <zniavre> like everyone i suppose?
[13:34] <penguin42> mine is much more broken than that :-)
[13:58] <ikonia> whoa, I missed the memo that synaptic was being dropped
[14:09] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libkexiv2-10_4%3a4.6.90-0ubuntu1~ppa2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[14:09] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/libkexiv2/data/topicset.iptc-subjectcode.xml', which is also in package kdegraphics-libs-data 4:4.6.3-1ubuntu1
[14:10] <yofel> bah, wrong #
[14:10] <yofel> sry
[14:16] <Daekdroom> Oooh. So many updates!
[14:22] <dzone_> Hi all how to burn lubuntu or ubuntu oneiric on my usb flash drive I tried with LinuxLive USB creator but it can't do it
[14:22] <penguin42> dzone_: I generally recommend unetbootin
[14:23] <BluesKaj> uhoh , kate now crashing...never seen that before
[14:24] <dzone_> I'll try it
[14:24] <dzone_> penguin42, thanks
[14:25] <penguin42> np
[14:25] <yofel> BluesKaj: if you upgraded a part of kate might have gone with kdelibs ^^
[14:28] <Daekdroom> Interesting.
[14:28] <Daekdroom> Starting Gwibber through the message-menu makes it not use appmenu.l
[14:35] <BluesKaj> yofel, yup. looks that way..did a dmesg ... maybe a dist-ugrade will help
[14:35] <Daekdroom> It looks like I'll have to file a bug report.
[14:36] <Daekdroom> What to report it against?
[14:36] <Daekdroom> indicator-messages-service, gwibber or appmenu?
[14:37] <yofel> BluesKaj: we've got a ton of stuff stuck in SOURCE NEW, should be resolved in a day or 2
[14:37] <BluesKaj> ok, yofel , np i'll use nano
[14:39] <cousin_mario> Is it planned to allow moving the panel and the dock in the upcoming release of unity?
[14:43] <Daekdroom> cousin_mario, as far as I know, no.
[14:43] <genii-around> Will muon be the default package manager by 12.04 ?
[14:44] <cousin_mario> Daekdroom: I see.
[14:44] <cousin_mario> thanks
[14:44] <cousin_mario> bbl
[14:46] <genii-around> ( for Kubuntu )
[14:49] <yofel> genii-around: should already be for 11.10
[14:49] <yofel> IIRC
[14:52] <genii-around> yofel: Ah, interesting, I see now that Adept was removed and in fact Muon IS the default. Thanks
[17:21] <Daviey> Does oneiric seem really unstable today?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> if you run kde it is
[17:23] <penguin42> gnome is pretty broken for me
[17:25] <BluesKaj> kate text editor is broken here
[17:40] <Daekdroom> My unity and indicator updates are being held back too.
[17:43] <h00k> Daekdroom: glxgears runs super-quick, but video playback is crap on my Sandy Bridge :)
[17:43] <Daekdroom> glxgears is no benchmark, to be honest.
[17:44] <Daekdroom> What was the problem anyway?
[17:44] <Daekdroom> Or are you still running on software rendering?
[17:48] <h00k> probably that
[17:48] <h00k> but I don't know
[17:49] <penguin42> glxgears is one of those things that if it's awfully slow then somethings probably very broken, but if it's fast - well....
[17:49] <Daekdroom> I think software rendering now runs on top of llvmpipe, which is not very slow.
[17:50] <h00k> My wallpaper (default, purple) looks super-bad, like the spectum isn't entrirely visible
[17:50] <h00k> I can see like...color lines, if that makes sense
[17:52] <Daekdroom> Really? It's like the only one default wallpaper that seems to have some quality for me.
[17:53] <h00k> Yeah, looks pretty bad :( And video playback is terrible. Hoping updates will clear it, anyway
[18:18] <Pici> How is lightdm looking in Oneiric?
[18:19] <h00k> Pici: I have to reseat my USB adapter for my mouse and keyboard in order to use them, but other than that, it gets me logged in
[18:19] <h00k> Pici: it appears terrible yet, but it isn't themed/done
[18:20] <h00k> bug 807291
[18:21] <Pici> h00k: ah.
[18:22] <Pici> I was testing it in Natty using the lightdm PPA yesterday, just was curious if there was anything better about it in O.
[18:33]  * penguin42 is caught in a bit of a quandry - do I update this machine and hope it gets rid of my unity problem at the risk of it picking up the udev problem I'm seeing in my vm (probably the same as h00k's)
[18:33] <h00k> :)
[18:37] <genii-around> Choices, choices
[19:26] <Klau3> Hi, I can install updates in Oneiric alpha 2 (Unity2D) without entering a password at all – is this a bug or feature? Video: http://ubuntuone.com/p/13JD/
[19:32] <micahg> Klau3: feature: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/policykit-desktop-privileges/0.6
[19:33] <sebsebseb> Klau3: Nice video and nice background :D
[19:33] <Klau3> ok, thanks
[19:33] <Klau3> background is from here http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/
[19:34] <sebsebseb> Klau3: ok :)
[19:35] <Klau3> from time to time they have really nice picture series
[20:21] <BluesKaj> yofel, I have 6 or 7 packages being kept back in kde , is it safe to try to install them individually with apt ?
[20:22] <yofel> hard to say, there will be many depency issues since all kdebase* packages got renamed
[20:24] <BluesKaj> ok, we'll wait , most of the installed versions are still working
[21:06] <Andre_Gondim> oneiric will be release with gnome 3.0 or 3.2?
[21:07] <Daekdroom> Andre_Gondim, 3.2 it seems
[21:07] <Daekdroom> Some apps are already 3.2, some are not
[21:07] <Andre_Gondim> thanks
[22:28] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[22:39] <afv> hi (using oneiric), i guess each time i hold the shift key for some seconds the "slow keys" become activated, even if the "turn on accessibility features from the keyboard" is disabled at "universal access"! i already checked at gconf-editor (/desktop/gnome/accessibility/keyboard) and all the options are disabled.. how is this possible? and how can i return to the normal state without having to log out and log in again (if it's really the "slow
[22:39] <afv> keys" problem)? (it took me 8 minutes to write this. yay..)
[22:39] <penguin42> ouch
[22:41] <afv> is it just me?
[23:00] <Daekdroom> Oh no, update-manager is crashing.
[23:01] <yofel> Daekdroom: could be lp 807715
[23:02] <Daekdroom> I'll check.
[23:05] <Daekdroom> It looks similar, but not exactly the same.