=== pace_t_zulu is now known as pace_t_zulu|ec2 === pace_t_zulu|ec2 is now known as pace_t_zulu [07:56] good morning [07:57] Morning [07:58] * popey taps his feet, waiting for a new disk to arrive so he can install oneiric [07:59] oneiric upgrade ate my laptop :/ have to fresh install [08:00] what happened? [08:01] while upgrading grub failed to install for some reason, also some applications failed to install, and when rebooting, it won't boot [08:01] where does it hang? [08:02] right after grub goes away .. there is some /dev/.udev message and it remains there [08:02] hum - did you ask in #ubuntu-devel? [08:02] maybe somebody can help fix it [08:02] or ubuntu+1 [08:02] mm .. I am asking in ubuntu+1 [08:03] I'll grab the upgrade log files, and reinstall [08:05] oh /var/log/dist-upgrade is empty :) [08:10] technoviking, happy birthday! :) [08:11] * kim0|oneiric rebooting === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:21] jcastro: too bad you aren't already down here.. [11:35] nigelb, how's recruitment for lightning talks coming on? [11:35] UDW starts next week [11:59] cjohnston: 3 weeks! [12:12] jcastro: the shuttle launch is today [12:12] we are getting ready to head that way [12:37] I will watch it on tv [12:42] dholbach: I have two people. [12:51] dholbach: did we pick dates for app developer week? [12:59] ah we did [12:59] wiki is wrong, fixing [13:01] jcastro: Know of anyone doing cool projects? [13:01] dholbach: Help! :) https://twitter.com/#!/nigelbabu/status/89316665954807809 [13:06] is this for like a lightning talk? [13:06] Yes [13:07] You know the cool Unity people, I was wondering if there wwas any interesting lens or some such [13:36] doctormo: BRILLIANT (session manager) [13:36] I've wanted that for schools for years. [13:36] people would leave their stuff logged in all the time [13:37] jcastro: Thanks :-) [13:37] Should probably be put into the archives, know any good sponsors? [13:37] you should seriously post that on the LTSP list [13:37] I can think of a bunch of people who have wanted that for years [13:38] doctormo: paultag! he can hook you up in debian too [13:38] * jcastro pushes paultag under a bus [13:38] * paultag ducks [13:39] doctormo: where's the dsc, I'll do a review, if you need it. debian-mentors works well after it's cleanish [13:39] not sure what it is, but I'm sure it'll be OK :) [13:41] paultag: python program, autoruns, needs log directory (which I haven't done in the deb yet) [13:42] doctormo: righto. Well, when you need some eyes let me know. debian-python might be interested in uploading as well [13:42] paultag: You can see the dsc here: https://launchpad.net/~doctormo/+archive/greeter/+packages [13:43] doctormo: which one? [13:43] paultag: session-manager [13:43] that name is a bit generic, and all o' them are session-managers :) [13:45] paultag: Yes, jcastro, you're good at names, any ideas? [13:45] Also is the LTSP mailing list edubuntu-devel? [13:45] I mean LTSP upstream [13:45] name, sec [13:46] I would just go simple lab-session-manager [13:46] for anyone running a computer lab [13:47] doctormo: looks OKish, you should be using setup.py, and python deb package bindings, but if it works I guess it's OK. You don't need yourself on uploaders if you're maintainer. You have a XS-Python-Version: but don't actually use python bindings. You should have sorce/format, and DEP5'd copyright [13:48] Sounds good. thanks [13:48] :) [14:47] http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv#utm_campaign=synclickback&source=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html&medium=6540154 [14:47] Don't forget the launch everyone! [14:50] http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv you mean? (:) [14:50] woo! [14:50] mine is stuttering. :-/ [15:18] 9 minutes to launch [15:20] mhall119, launch of what? [15:20] jono: the last shuttle [15:20] Atlantis [15:20] mhall119, ahhhh [15:20] http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv [15:22] jono: last one ever, worth a watch [15:22] I think cjohnston made his way down there [15:22] he was going to [15:22] it's crazy crowded out there [15:23] I imagine so, one of my friends went down there [15:25] T-1 minute [15:29] cool [15:29] is it online somewhere? [15:29] oh I see the link [15:31] 2600MPH already [15:32] I opened that on the 3 .. 2 .. 1 .. nice to watch [15:34] 6500MPH now [15:36] mhall119: That's fast [15:36] a bit, yeah [15:36] heh, 4 miles per second [15:37] 6500MPH now...pffffft [15:37] that's not fast [15:37] chuck norris can walk faster [15:37] lol [15:38] for reference, the flight from JFK to Budapest, at that speed, would have been under 20 minutes [15:44] jono: Rainbow Dash can fly faster than Chuck Norris, she's 20% cooler! [15:45] and Florida's unemployed just grew by 4000 people [15:50] ever have one of them days where what can go wrong goes wrong [15:51] yup [15:51] not today though [15:52] czajkowski: trust and believe [15:53] one does not simply become crabby overnight [15:55] jcastro, man, have you heard Ghost? [15:55] they are getting some buzz right now [15:56] they look like some kind of black metal type thing, but their music is real 70s hard rock, it is awesome [15:56] http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=160226 [16:00] not yet [16:00] I am finding tons of stuff here: http://turntable.fm/metal_ftw [16:00] I found a metal channel! [16:00] jono: they say G+ invites are open on the twitters [16:00] might wanna try now [16:01] wasnt too bad... already almost in daytona [16:02] jcastro, I am in now [16:02] cjohnston: you went too far [16:03] lol [16:04] going to have lunch my dad === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [16:08] you can spot the canonical employees they change their away nick name status whereas others do /away message [16:11] I do neither [16:11] I go .... <---- LUNCH. [16:11] and if you miss me, then leave a message! [16:12] czajkowski: ha! Canonical employee jokes. Topical. [16:12] doctormo, nice work on the indicator :-) [16:12] /nick jcastro_away [16:12] gonna tweet that === vish is now known as jcastro_away === jcastro_away is now known as vish [16:12] jcastro: but you're special and we love you [16:13] if you changed your nick I'd be dubious it was you [16:13] I am looking forward to having my membership revoked! [16:13] jcastro: you got to reserve that nick "jcastro_away" ;) [16:13] even if you dont plan to use it... :) === jono is now known as jcastro2 [16:14] awesome! [16:14] lol!!! [16:14] you know what [16:14] jcastro is multiplying.. [16:14] I really love Jono [16:14] he is awesome [16:14] such an incredible boss [16:14] handsome too === paultag is now known as clearly_not_jcas [16:14] he has great skin [16:14] Darn, cut it off a bit [16:14] buncha loonies === jcastro2 is now known as jono === clearly_not_jcas is now known as paultag [16:15] jcastro: hello pot this is the kettle calling [16:15] heh [16:15] crazy [16:15] we (Severed Fifth) just got confirmed for a festival [16:15] should be fun [16:16] like the festival in the Anvil movie? [16:16] "man it's like the largest metal fest in all of Transylvania, there's going to be thousands." [16:17] <-- lunching (for real now, not as an example) [16:21] someone should nick jcastro lunch [16:41] Man, I wish being a Freetard was more of a "cool" thing to do [16:45] jcastro, lol [16:50] alright my friends - I call it a day [16:50] have a great weekend everyone and see you on monday [16:52] * dholbach hugs you all [16:52] woo! [16:52] mhall119, thanks again for your help with harvest [16:52] paultag: man, I am having a hard time not responding to your last statement. [16:52] no problem dholbach [16:52] paultag: but I am trying to turn over a new leaf, not make fun of people as much, etc. [16:53] YOU JUST MAKE IT SO HARD. [16:53] jcastro: dude, fire away! [16:53] :) [16:53] oh christ [16:53] bye :) [16:53] that's getting a tweet [16:53] later dh [16:53] oh, he left [16:53] 16:53 < jcastro> YOU JUST MAKE IT SO HARD. [16:53] heh [16:53] ok here I go [16:53] Man, I wish being a Freetard was more of a "cool" thing to do [16:54] http://twitter.com/#!/paultag/status/89376655566585856 [16:54] it's ok paultag, nothing you do is cool, the free software thing has nothing to do with it. [16:54] ha! [16:54] I mean, I do play Accordion [16:55] jcastro: I mean, you tweek out a car, you get all the ladies. You fly a jet, you get all the ladies. You code sick software, you live in your mum's basement with a neckbeard. [16:56] well we need to start with the basics bro [16:57] first off, you DO have a neckbeard. [16:57] paultag: now *that* is a good tweet ;) [16:57] jcastro: I don't anymore [16:57] jcastro: that was for OLF and it was a joke [16:57] vish: :P [16:57] pics or it didn't happen [16:57] i meant, the " jcastro: I mean, you tweek ou..." [16:58] jcastro: http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/255035_1464142803842_1241640882_31469365_3626659_n.jpg [16:58] vish: have at it! [16:58] whoa, you don't look college anymore, nice work! [16:58] jcastro: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270403_1511896517655_1241640883_31503192_1894886_n.jpg ← there too [16:59] jcastro: nah, dude, I got swag [16:59] bud light, signs you're in ohio. [16:59] jcastro: Cape Cod, MA actually [16:59] jcastro: it's not natty :) [16:59] heh [17:00] but srsly, why can't computer nerds get some respect? :) [17:01] paultag: the funny thing is nerds create all the cool stuff, the "cool" guys love to use ;p [17:01] vish: dude, right? [17:01] "a-heyo baby, check out this sick app I got" [17:19] paultag: kim0: so check this out [17:20] http://www.reddit.com/r/devops [17:20] clint and I were checking out this subreddit the other day [17:20] I think it might be a good place to post ensemble info [17:20] thoughts? [17:20] Yeah absolutely [17:21] seems a bit low volume [17:21] kim0: ok, which tutorial video do you consider your best one so far? [17:21] kim0: yeah, but it's a start [17:21] since they're only two .. the second one :) [17:21] nice place to make mistakes. :) [17:21] Ensemble ones that is [17:22] there are bigger sysadminy reddits, but I figured this is a good place to start [17:22] jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntucloud#p/a/u/0/AMHcy63wRL0 [17:22] yeah .. start small, grow fast [17:22] that's so cloud [17:22] hahah [17:22] http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/06/ensemble-deploy-and-scale-cloud-apps/ this one right? [17:22] yep [17:23] * kim0 is on Oneiric now .. yaay [17:23] oh nice, some comments [17:23] I wish we just had nice disqus integration with every ubuntu property [17:24] Yeah .. that'd relief me from the daily spam mortal kombat [17:24] * kim0 on Oneiric after a spectacular upgrade fail yaay [17:25] http://www.reddit.com/r/devops/comments/ik6ev/deploying_to_ec2_quickly_with_ensemble/ [17:25] paultag: upboats [17:26] jcastro: done [17:27] kim0: ok, jason recommends that I need to be more drama in the title [17:27] :) [17:30] ah, r/aws has 335 readers [17:30] paultag: how do crossposts work? [17:30] obviously It'd be rude to post it all over [17:30] do I wait like a few days and then try another subreddit? [17:31] * kim0 goes for some tea and starts weekend .. still around though [17:31] \o/ [17:33] jcastro: you can just put [x-post from ...] [17:33] jcastro: but in general it should not be the same person [17:34] jcastro: so just give me the link and let me know where you want it crossed [17:34] kim0, do you want disqus comments ? [17:37] paultag: just what I linked above in /r/devops, needs xposted to /r/aws [17:39] jcastro: http://www.reddit.com/r/aws/comments/ik6te/deploying_to_ec2_quickly_with_ensemble_xpost_from/ [17:40] BRB === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [18:38] back home [18:41] Wonder if I should agree to this dist-upgrade → http://paste.ubuntu.com/640291/ [18:42] sure... whats the worst that could happen [18:43] looks like a good upgrade to me === daker is now known as daker_ [18:52] thanks guys .. accepting [18:53] removing ubuntu-desktop sounded scary :) [18:55] ...I was kidding [18:55] just apt-get install fluxbox, you'll be fine [18:58] :) [18:58] :P [19:59] fluxbox? is that even still maintained? [20:00] mhall119: >:( [20:00] mhall119: it's both actively maintained and loved for in Debian and Ubuntu. [20:00] mhall119: and we have two GSoC students on it this summer [20:00] only a crazy person would both maintain and love it [20:00] :P [20:24] mhall119: If you want paultag's attention, just say "fluxbox sucks". Well, don't say it. Just think :P [20:25] nigelb: I'll throw things at you rather hard [20:25] <3 fluxbox4evar [20:25] see, pleia2 gets it [20:25] heh [20:25] at least I can use it with two monitors, unlike so-called unity [20:26] I hope jcastro takes the bait for that [20:26] It was fun at UDS. People running Unity didn't connect to the project most of the time. [20:26] hahahahahahaha [20:27] xrandr --auto might have solved that [20:27] but whatever :) [20:27] it was tricky and no one had patience mostly [20:27] nigelb: son, you don't know what the hell tricky is, politely [20:27] it's mostly fixed in the last SRU [20:27] nigelb: when I started using, when I was 14, I had to write my xorg files by hand [20:27] and also, unlike tiling window manager people, I bathe. [20:27] don't talk to me about a buggy GUI [20:27] jcastro: I agree [20:28] jcastro: tiling window managers suck [20:28] use fluxbox [20:29] paultag: hah, I'm the new generation of linux users. We don't really care. We just link linux and want to use it. We use gedit as our text editor when we write code. [20:29] walked up hill both ways too [20:29] pleia2 use xfwm though doesn't she? [20:29] s/link/like [20:29] I actually like the idea of tiling window managers, but too many applications don't work well with them OOTB... [20:29] mhall119: on my ubuntu systems yeah, debian is fluxbox [20:30] nigelb: I'm going to stab you one of these days. You're so fucking bright and you have so much to give, but my christ. Suck it up and do things right [20:30] pleia2: damn straight [20:30] paultag: :) [20:30] I'm using Fluxbox on Ubuntu, and Xfce on Debian [20:30] ^5 [20:30] ^5 [20:30] I use plain lucid. Don't want to upgrade till 12.04. [20:30] to the fifth power! [20:31] I'll 1990sLinuxUser ya'll and go slackware [20:31] you were like 5 years old in 1990 [20:32] probably 2 [20:32] you're not one to talk either [20:32] nigelb: 1, actually :) [20:32] darn kids [20:32] Right, I was 2 and paultag 1 [20:32] mhall119: oh fuck off, linux is 1991, I got as much to old-school as anyone else [20:32] paultag: language. [20:32] yeah, language please, it's GNU/Linux [20:32] mhall119: I started using in 2001, I've paid my dues, I've been using longer then i've used windows :) [20:33] hahaha [20:33] mhall119++ [20:33] GNU is older then Linux :P [20:33] That was like ZING [20:33] heh, paid your dues to free software eh/ [20:33] that's 1985 IIRC [20:33] ? [20:33] GNU, that is. Linux is 1991 [20:33] What is? Linux isn't Gnu/Linux, it's Linux, it's a kernel project, everyone knows that ;-) [20:33] thanks, doctormo! [20:33] mhall119: yes I have :) [20:34] me too [20:34] Linux isn't an Operating system, and Gnu/Linux isn't an operating system either (not enough of one to count for a desktop certainly) [20:34] woah [20:34] have I stepped into 10 years ago? [20:34] popey: I know right [20:34] I'd have been using Linux if you had [20:34] popey: We're doing a play! [20:34] so boom. roasted. [20:34] not like mhall119 here [20:35] * paultag waves hand in oh-snapish fashon [20:35] meh, I refuse to get into GNU/Linux fight. I call my OS what I want. I call it Ubuntu. that's it. [20:35] nigelb: I'm still handing out Lucid CDs, that might be because they're the only CDs we have ;-) [20:35] popey: paultag's being disruptive, let's delete his mailing list. [20:35] I used "windows" from 1988 til 2005 or so, "linux" from 2000 til now, so I've used Windows longer... [20:35] He has a mailing list? [20:35] CANONICAL'S OPRESSING ME [20:35] doctormo: I use lucid because I deploy code to Lucid. Makes sense to use ot. [20:36] *it [20:36] paultag: Are they taking away your right to have a baby? ;-) [20:36] ubuntu is canonical, popey is @ubuntu, canonical is opressing me [20:36] doctormo: oh no, we're joking about sounder :) [20:36] what's sounder? [20:37] doctormo: All yo need to know is that popey shuts tings down [20:37] doctormo: a mailing list canonical was opressing [20:37] doctormo: was an "offtopic" mailing list that the CC shut down earlier this year because it was all about godwin's law [20:37] pleia2: <3 [20:37] popey's law - all mailing lists will end up talking about godwin's law and then be shut down [20:37] jcastro: I love these community cards that Randall's doing. Did you or jono suggest the idea? [20:37] ditto [20:37] doctormo: dude +1 on that [20:37] not me [20:38] doctormo, it's all Randall [20:38] we need to make Randall some sort of community version of Jono [20:38] to help him [20:38] randall rocks :) [20:38] oh you're here [20:38] hahaha [20:38] jono: you should get Randall to do some of your work, he kicks ass [20:38] Randall is jono minus the death metal bit [20:38] jono: you're fired! [20:38] seriously "Community Community Manager" [20:38] Nah, The Community Manager Manager [20:38] "Assistant to the Community Manager" [20:38] lol [20:39] "Sub-Assistant to the Community Manager" [20:39] Randall Shrutte [20:39] man, I just started watching the funniest show on TV, have you all seen "Wilfred"? [20:39] it's about a dude that see's his neighbor's dog as a guy in a dog suit. [20:39] it's totally hilarious [20:39] jono: seriously, get Randall to help you out. He's doing kickass work [20:39] and you totally could use it [20:39] jcastro: I'll have to download it and check it out. [20:40] paultag, I have weekly calls with him already ;-) [20:40] jono: :) [20:40] :-) [20:40] I miss weekly calls, paultag! to the phone! [20:41] doctormo: :) [20:41] paultag: Actually I want your help to get MA re-approved, the disk situation is quite dire. [20:42] doctormo: I agree totally. [20:42] doctormo: I don't like that my home state is not approved and I'm supposed to know all about this stuff [20:42] paultag: We have 4x 10.04 CDs (desktop) and 6x Server. [20:43] doctormo: we're in OK shape. We can also request CONF-B for confs if we need it [20:43] paultag: Oh and 5x 9.10 CDs for our enemies to enjoy. [20:43] dude, how dare you [20:43] I think 9.10 was a high point with Ubuntu [20:44] I think it's actually rather attractive, and it was rock-solid [20:44] wow, imo that was one of the worst ones [20:44] I liked 10.10 the most I think. [20:44] jcastro: you also like Unity, so I guess that makes sense [20:44] my all-time high was 9.10, no question [20:44] for when it was released, it's what made Ubuntu great [20:45] shrug, 10.04 was the best one imo, 9.10 was still brown/orange [20:45] paultag: Where you high at the time you installed it? ;-) [20:45] jcastro: you have to compare it to it's time, and I think by the time 10.04 rolled around, it was a bit lagging [20:46] 10.04 is my favorite so far [20:46] jcastro: My friend saw unity for the first time and he loved it [20:46] He said on his flight there was someone using unity and going all "its so awesome" about it [20:47] IMHO GNOME3 looks a bit nicer atm [20:47] *cough* [20:47] nigelb: I think the excitement of Ubuntu will build back up after the experimental lul [20:47] My friend works for RH [20:47] nigelb: stop interrupting paultag when he's flaming unity! [20:47] and he uses gnome3 on his machine [20:48] He hates gnome3 with a passion :P [20:48] I'm just saying [20:48] paultag: Yes yes. [20:49] unity's borked up bretty bad for me [20:49] doctormo: p.s. -- http://pault.ag/kde-gnome/ ← that was the link I was talking about on the train that one time [20:50] paultag: At least you can run 11.04, I can't, I'm still stuck with kernel 2.6.32 and I will be forever it looks like [20:51] doctormo: I just switched to Debian (installed from an Ubuntu liveUSB no less) [20:52] KDE developers are generally between the ages of 16 and 25, like art made of lines and squares and the colors white and black. When/if they finally stop taking government subsidies and get around to getting "real jobs," most of their salary will be taken in taxes so the socialist government can subsidize the care and feeding of the next generation of KDE developers, just like it did for them. A high percentage of KDE developers, durin [20:52] GNOME developers rarely live past 25 and prefer "alternative" art - generally stuff made of feces that's "too edgy" for most people to "understand" or "like." Core GNOME developers are heavy Ketamine users. The bodies of GNOME developers can often be found in dumpsters or floating face-down in any sufficiently large body of water. [20:53] keep pasting it paul [20:53] I don't know how to click things [20:53] * jcastro is in a mess-with-paul-mood [20:53] best kind of mood, really [20:55] * doctormo is in a food mood === daker_ is now known as daker [21:18] hey doctormo, poke [21:18] paultag: re-poke [21:18] doctormo: let's say I have a figure that I want to make in Inkscape, and that figure is Symetrical. How do I draw it to ensure it's exactly perfect? [21:19] paultag: Use align and disribute [21:19] doctormo: I'll look into that, thanks :) [21:20]