[00:42] FYI, RAOF and bryceh [00:43] running noveau 3d now (since nvidia isn't working) [00:43] jasoncwarner_, ok [00:44] and, man, my system started running "hot". Don't know if that is related, but worth noting. Other things I've seen are laggy interfaces. [00:45] not exactly scientific feedback, I know ;) [00:45] :-) [00:46] it's certainly conceivable that could be related to bad nouveau 3d support for the card [00:48] jasoncwarner_, `ubuntu-bug xorg`. I suspect RAOF will be interested in it. Write up what you've seen. [00:49] jasoncwarner_, might also check cpu load, just in case it's some unrelated runaway client program or something [00:52] nothing going on in the CPU right now, though at one point the U1 client started to take 200% and then fell off... [00:53] kenvandine: ^^ [00:53] ugh [00:53] syncdaemon? [00:53] yeah [00:53] and I've had a TON of crashes on that, actually [00:53] haven't heard anyone else with that issue [00:53] file a bug please [00:53] trying now... [00:54] jasoncwarner_, oh, might need to manually install xdiagnose before reporting the X bug [00:54] jasoncwarner_, sudo apt-get install xdiagnose ; ubuntu-bug xorg [00:55] thanks...already installed ;) [00:57] hey kenvandine, is there an easy way to get the things needed for Ubuntu One like 'ubuntu-bug ubuntu-one' or something? [00:57] ubuntu-bug ubuntuone-client [00:57] FYI, I'm getting this message when I open U1 client: File Sync error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)) [00:57] thanks...filing now [00:58] wow [00:58] sounds very broken [00:58] daemon not running or something? [00:58] you mean opening the control panel? [00:58] yeah [00:58] that message appears at top of control panel [00:58] syncdaemon must be crashing [00:58] do you have a crash file? [00:58] where to look? [00:58] in /var/crash/? [00:58] for syncdaemon [00:58] bryceh and RAOF, fyi #807305 [00:59] kenvandine: I have three [00:59] ubuntu-bug /var/crash/your.crash [00:59] sorry..just one for U1 [00:59] others are for unity-panel-service and gnome-settings-daemon [01:02] kenvandine: FYI. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/807203 17 people effected by bug, it seems [01:02] Ubuntu bug 807203 in zeitgeist "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): 'Symbol' object has no attribute 'PAGINATED_TEXT_DOCUMENT'" [High,Confirmed] [01:02] jasoncwarner_: +1 to that. [01:04] ugh.. [01:05] jasoncwarner_, looks like you suspended during your current session; just to clarify did you notice the performance issue prior to the suspend, or did it only start after that? [01:05] i.e. does it start right immediately on boot? [01:06] bryceh: yeah, seems to happen at boot. I had a fussy baby and had to run upstairs and suspended while debugging baby [01:06] but I did notice it before I suspended [01:06] ok [01:06] wow...those are some thorough logs ;) [01:07] you see why we like to have them. ;-) [01:07] unfortunately, they don't seem to have captured anything of relevance to the performance issue [01:07] If it starts immediately after boot then it's probably not compiz being leaky. [01:08] It could concievably be a thermal issue; (sane) hardware will clock down when overheating, and that can make things slow. [01:08] could there be leftover GL bits from the -nvidia install? [01:09] jasoncwarner_, anything odd about the fan behavior? like, is it not turned on when it should be? [01:09] oh, yay! someone fixed the keyboard setup so I can now switch key refresh rates! Thank you rodrigo_, seb128 or whoever! [01:09] bryceh: actually, fan seems fine. [01:10] I might be sending you on redherring. [01:10] ubuntuone-syncdaemon is actually going kinda crazy all of the sudden (just reopened system monitor) [01:10] 200% [01:10] 85% [01:10] 150% [01:10] 200% [01:10] ah [01:10] 0Q% [01:10] Heh. [01:11] it keeps going up and down. [01:11] so my initial guess was right for a change :-) [01:13] NM! sorry, bryceh and RAOF [01:13] I always blame X [01:13] heh [01:13] stupid X keeps making my internets slow. [01:13] As I always say: X is actually perfect. [01:13] stupid X just raised my taxes [01:13] Any apparent bugs can be handled with a quick and simple SEP field. [01:13] you're in good company, we've been field lots and lots of non-X bugs lately ;-) [01:14] guess it's either a good sign that X is more stable this time around, or a bad sign people are so suspicious of X! [01:14] probably a bit of both...kind of how whenever something goes wrong in unity I start to ask didrocks about compiz ;) [01:15] hey robert_ancell , btw...I let me kid play a cool video game this morning..., something called unity-greeter...seems perfect for a 3 year old! [01:16] haha! Nice [01:16] I tried to get Dutch to play with gcompris but it was not his cup of tea [01:16] I need some simple app that just makes random colors and sounds when you hit different keys [01:16] (and that disables all the special keys!) [01:17] bryceh: Get him a multitouch screen and Chase's multitouch drawing demo! [01:18] sounds like an iPad ;) [01:18] RAOF, heh actually I did a while back however that computer got taken away [01:20] RAOF, another guy had written that drawing program. I was going to mod it a bit to make it into a better toy [01:22] Does anybody know if there is a tag we can mark bugs with that need translating? [01:23] * TheMuso asks in #ubuntu-bugs. [04:51] Good morning [04:58] pitti: good morning! [04:58] hey cyphermox, how are you? [04:58] pretty good [04:59] and you? [04:59] I'm great, thanks [05:07] late night upload of nm-applet, CHECK. [05:08] now I'm off to bed ;) [05:08] oh wait, are we still in soft freeze? [05:08] nm [05:13] cyphermox: no [05:13] cyphermox: it was lifted some 24 hours ago :) [05:13] yeah, I got confused by the day change now ;) [05:25] good morning pitti [05:25] hey kenvandine [05:25] hey kenvandine, how are you? [05:25] you're early! [05:25] and cyphermox :) [05:25] pitti, good [05:25] or, up late rather :) [05:25] ehehe [05:26] about to crash :) [05:26] ah, yeah [05:26] * kenvandine rewrote all the gwibber menus tonight... much cleaner now :) [05:26] but boring :/ [05:27] good night all! [05:27] night [05:27] am leaving as well, see you later! [05:29] sleep well! [06:42] good morning [06:42] bonjour didrocks [06:43] guten morgen pitti! how are you? [06:43] quite fine, thanks! how about you? [06:43] * pitti in update/upload mood [06:45] pitti: my flu has almost ended, which is nice for RMLL and 5h of train later today :) [06:45] oh, good! mine is gone as well [06:45] RMLL? [06:46] a worldwide-french FLOSS event :) http://2011.rmll.info/ [06:46] I'm giving 3 conferences there (unity, how to integrate your application in unity, how to help in testing an unstable release) [06:46] hum, apport keep spamming every 2s with u1 crashing there (or maybe it's update-notifier?) [06:47] no, in fact u1 is really crashing. and it replaces the file in /var/crash/ [06:48] didrocks: wow, good luck with that! [06:48] yes, it keeps crashing here as well :/ [06:49] sudo chmod -x /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon then :/ [06:50] indeed, your are in upload mood this morning ;) [06:51] {lib,}gnome-keyring coming up [06:52] nice ;) [06:52] glib2.0 on amd64 seems unhappy, though :/ keeps timing out in the test suite [06:52] (on the builders) [06:53] seif_: around? [06:55] seems that zg is the guilty in u1 crashing [07:06] ok, got a patch for u1 [07:09] didrocks, can you show me the patch and the bug [07:10] didrocks, got it [07:10] the raptor 2.1 issue [07:10] i mean [07:10] seif_: the patch is for u1 for now, on not crashing if zg is [07:10] raptopr2 issue [07:10] seif_: right :) [07:10] didrocks, yeah [07:10] looking into it [07:10] seif_: did you see my comment? https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/807076/comments/2 [07:10] Ubuntu bug 807076 in zeitgeist "raptor2 not supported" [Low,In progress] [07:11] can i have any backlog [07:12] seif_: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74738481/Traceback.txt that one maybe? [07:12] didrocks: Problems after problems, looks like I won't be able to work on the spec till next week, my 2-month old xps died again [07:12] didrocks, i am fixing this [07:13] seif_: you rock! :) [07:13] cdbs-android: argh, it's not your hardware time it seems :/ [07:13] seif_: take your time, I'm uploading the u1 fixes, and zg is still working for file/application search [07:14] cyphermox: I won't be able to fix liboauth, next week probably. My laptop died [07:15] hey didrocks...able to help me debug something? [07:16] when I try to run nautilus, nothing happens...so when I run 'nautilus' from the command line, I get an error: Could not register the application: Timeout was reached [07:16] not sure where to look for more information! [07:17] jasoncwarner_: sounds like a gnome-session message [07:17] jasoncwarner_: one sec [07:17] didrocks: no worries... [07:18] jasoncwarner_: finishing the u1 crash first, get back to you then :) [07:19] didrocks: oh, please! that thing was wreaking havoc on my system all day! [07:22] good morning everyone [07:22] hum, u1 never did any rebuilt with gcc 4.6? Fixing the errors… [07:22] hey chrisccoulson [07:25] hey didrocks, how are you? [07:26] chrisccoulson: racing against crashes ;) otherwise good, almost no more flu! :) and you? [07:27] didrocks, yeah, good thanks. just trying to finish the last few WI's on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-mozilla-rapid-release-maintenance [07:28] hmmm, does anyone have any idea what is going on here? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74754356/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.dehydra_0.9.hg20110312-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [07:28] i have no problem installing the packages locally or in a chroot :/ [07:30] chrisccoulson: maybe temporary inconsistency? did you try a give back? [07:31] didrocks, i don't normally like doing that without understanding what the original problem was :) [07:33] chrisccoulson: have you tried installing all build-dependencies or only the packages from the error? [07:33] geser, all of them (and i can build it locally too) [07:35] hey chrisccoulson, good morning [07:35] hey jasoncwarner_ [07:35] hey pitti, how are you? [07:35] hey pitti, morning! [07:36] quite fine, thanks! back in Dresden [07:38] dobey: you will have https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntuone-client/dont-suffer-zg-crash/+merge/67285 and https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntuone-client/use_result_var/+merge/67287 to review. It's already as distro patches in the ubuntuone-client package to fix the current oneiric crash [07:39] hey pitti! would you mind if I cherry pick the forward_search fix you did yesterday and upload it? I think update-manager is ready mostly now [07:39] chrisccoulson: have you tried grabbing the buildd chroot and trying it there? [07:39] mvo: wohoo! [07:39] plus gconf->gsettings etc [07:40] chrisccoulson: else try giving it back and see if it was a transient error or not [07:40] one thing I will need is get_xid() at some point, that is currently not introspectable, but its not critical at this point [07:40] mvo: it's in testing, so I'll commit/upload to Debian and sync [07:40] pitti: awsome, thanks [07:41] mvo: right, I didn't find a good solution for this one either so far [07:41] pitti: I will put in a version dependency and wait until its there [07:41] mvo: I'm almost done with gnome-keyring, doing pygobject next [07:41] is there something fundamental blocking to make get_xid() available? [07:41] jasoncwarner_: is it exactly the message you get? It's not "Unable to register" rather? [07:41] didrocks: yeah, copy and pasted from terminal [07:42] nothing else was there [07:42] jasoncwarner_: ok, maybe it's gtkapplication then, let me check [07:42] not gnome-session, not nautilus anyway :) [07:42] mvo: I don't remember right now [07:42] mvo: might be because gdk_x11_window_get_xid() returns a Window datatype? [07:42] ok, no worries, not urgent [07:42] but its just a int, no? [07:42] but anyway, it should work in theory [07:43] * mvo nods [07:43] I suppose it stumbles over [07:43] [07:44] and can't resolve this any further [07:44] yeah, that sounds very plausible [07:44] but maybe that can be annotated away [07:44] what will be the version of python-gobject with the fix? so that I don't forget to update my control file [07:44] geser, oh, i recreated it in pbuilder now [07:45] mvo: 2.28.6-2 [07:45] ta [07:45] libgcc1: Breaks: gcc-4.5 (< 4.5.3-2) but 4.5.3-1ubuntu2 is to be installed. [07:45] the last gcc-4.6 upload added a breaks which makes gcc-4.5 uninstallable [07:47] jasoncwarner_: hum, no gio, not gtk :/ do you have it at each nautilus start? [07:48] yeah...it is really behaving weirdly... [07:48] actually...let me reboot, see if I am having a weird update problem [07:48] rebooting... [07:50] jasoncwarner_: you should maybe install the ubuntuone-client update first ;) [07:50] or do not let it start [08:00] could someone have a look at clutter-1.0? it needs a merge (or at least a rebuild) for the rename on gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 to gir1.2-json-1.0 [08:01] huh, "gcc -print-file-name=plugin" doesn't work in gcc-4.6 :/ [08:04] mvo: hm, seems something in glib/gio changed underneath, I have a test suite failure/hang now; need to investigate this first [08:04] ok, no worries [08:06] hi mvo! [08:06] I finally pushed version abstraction (as discussed in an old email) in my backend-refactor [08:06] please have a look at it [08:07] i'm also addressing the origin abstraction now [08:07] didrocks, back [08:08] didrocks, what other outstanding issues are there [08:09] i can look into them [08:09] (unity wise) [08:09] seif: did the zg datahub not starting zg is fixed? [08:09] we have the solution [08:09] we need mhr3 or kamstrup to work on it though [08:10] its a flushing mechanism [08:10] which means zeitgeist does not start until the first thing is requested [08:10] if any1 is pushing on startup we wont care [08:10] we will put it in some C process that will be flushed upon startup [08:10] didrocks, can you report a bug on that please [08:10] :) [08:11] seif: sure doing [08:11] so we can get more peopls attentnion [08:11] didrocks, i am thinking of putting a 100$ bounty on that [08:11] and requirments hsould be [08:11] that [08:11] no unity not zeitgeist person is to hack on it [08:11] this way we can get new developers [08:11] :) [08:11] yeah, seems a smart way of getting new contributors for easy tasks :) [08:12] exactly [08:12] ahhhh njpatel is here [08:12] that, and the indexing are the two big ones AFAIK [08:12] but for the indexing, we need John [08:12] didrocks, what kind of indexing [08:12] for some design input [08:12] ah that one [08:12] What what? [08:12] didrocks, well we have all the tools ready [08:12] seif: well, I call it indexing, even if it's not :) [08:12] seif: right, we need to see how to integrate it at best [08:12] its just a design [08:12] exactlx [08:12] the script is there [08:13] now we need to know how to run the scriopt or when [08:13] exactly [08:13] didrocks, we reduced memory consumption if you have not noticed with 0.8.1 [08:13] njpatel, did u have your coffe yet oh brown one :P [08:13] seif: yeah, I checked after the update, and indeed, nice work! [08:13] fts got updated too [08:14] but needs to be released [08:14] seif, coffee? Tea my friend :) [08:15] seif: ok, no hurry though for it [08:15] seif, also, I logged in an ZG crashed....fix your crap man! ;P [08:15] njpatel, give me your log please [08:15] its in .cache/zeitgeist [08:15] :) [08:15] unless you logged porn then please remember the title of the movie and delete those lines :P [08:15] seif, you just want to see what, er, "special" files I have [08:15] seif: you already had a bug btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist-datahub/+bug/772265 [08:15] Ubuntu bug 772265 in zeitgeist-datahub "The datahub starts zeitgeist-daemon on startup" [Undecided,New] [08:16] seif, I think apport caught it so i might just be able to provide a useful bug [08:16] hey didrocks pitti [08:16] hey everybody [08:16] * njpatel plays with apport [08:16] salut seb128! [08:16] bonjour seb128, ca va? [08:16] hey didrocks [08:16] hey njpatel [08:16] thanks to whoever newer indicators [08:16] hey pitti [08:16] hi pitti [08:16] seif: de rien :) [08:16] pitti, ca va bien, et toi ? [08:17] didrocks, if i fix the bug now you buy me 10 beers ok [08:17] ? [08:17] hallo seif, wie gehts? [08:17] pitti, ganz gut [08:17] seif: I'm great, thanks! in upload mood :) [08:17] hey seif! [08:17] njpatel: already reported :) [08:17] viel arbeit [08:17] seif: 10! I'm sure I can trade with something else :) [08:17] pitti, wie gehts ihnen [08:17] :=) [08:17] didrocks, awesome :) [08:17] pitti, thanks for the updates as well ;-) [08:17] didrocks, your french you occupied egypt you owe me beer already [08:17] seif: prima, danke! [08:17] neil can go live off british guilt [08:18] :P [08:18] seif: ahah, I think all europe owe a lot of beers then in various country ;) [08:18] lol [08:18] desrt, glib hates the builder [08:18] guys i am having a gvaraint issue here [08:18] gnome-tweak-tools is not working [08:18] how not working? [08:19] pitti, did you retry the glib build earlier today? [08:20] seb128: yes [08:20] ok, trying again for the 4th time [08:20] seb128: it was a bit unclear what happened there [08:20] seb128: seems to hang eternally in a test case [08:20] it worked on the second try on i386 [08:20] pitti, right, it's random, it hangs on different testcases :-( [08:20] ah, it finally timed out again [08:21] desrt and ricotz tried to debug it a bit during the rally by adding some printfs but it worked on that upload [08:21] "funny" but it worked without issue on armel and powerpc on the first build [08:21] usually that's the archs which work not so great :p [08:21] seb128: they are slow enough! [08:25] hum [08:25] session-service.c:592:11: error: format '%li' expects argument of type 'long int', but argument 4 has type 'gint64' [-Werror=format] [08:26] seb128: were you meaning to retry the build again? [08:26] want me to trigger it? [08:26] does anyone know whats up with gnome-tweak-tool? seems to be crashing snce a recent upgrade [08:27] mvo, stacktrace? but "don't use it" [08:27] "NotImplementedError: structure type 'GVariant' is not supported yet" <- error [08:27] why should I not use it? [08:27] pitti, ups, just did, thanks [08:28] mvo, because it's buggy :p [08:28] haha, I noticed that ;) [08:28] mvo, I blame pitti's gobject-introspection update [08:29] I doubt glib broke GVariant, must but a gir issue [08:29] mvo: that's the very thing I'm debugging right now [08:29] it breaks pygobject's test suite all over [08:30] (which holds me from uploading pygobject) [08:30] mvo: so, I'm on it [08:30] mvo, just curious but what settings do you tweak from gtt? [08:30] mvo, just to know if there are some we should bring on the default gcc in some way [08:32] seb128: I want to see what monospace font I have, it looks unfamiliar and check my theme, I use the light theme, but the indicators are really hard to see currently [08:32] seb128: so it looks like some mixup in the theme [08:32] they are blurry right? [08:32] the text at least is for me [08:32] mvo, dconf-editor is your friend :p [08:33] meh [08:34] ok, downgrading gir1.2-glib-2.0 to 0.10.8-1ubuntu1 fixes it [08:34] well, it makes it slightly better, anyway [08:36] didrocks, oh about gnome-session I assigned you the bug because I though you had a spec to re-enable the option for those who want to use it from the command line [08:36] didrocks, i.e letting the ui part off, ignored session with timestamps older than oneiric [08:36] seb128: yeah, but I updated the spec to tell that finally it wasn't still working [08:36] ignoring [08:37] ok, I thought we were ok letting people shot themself in the foot from the command line [08:37] seb128: and I think we don't want to spent more than a day for something which is half-broken anyway [08:37] since some clearly want to do it [08:37] seb128: well, it's really show in the foot if they try to change from session [08:37] no, I would just have dropped the patch, but let the tab hidden [08:37] required components are still register and conflicts [08:38] right but some are clearly asking for it [08:38] usually geeks that use custom sessions and don't switch [08:38] so we will get bugs about "changed my session but unity still starts" [08:38] or whatever [08:38] well, if those used the command line to store a session they are not basic users [08:38] took me a lot of time previous cycles about all people getting this [08:38] but ok, I might have a look later in the cycle [08:39] right, but that doesn't mean they will know what's the cause [08:39] right, but we had the option in the ui by then [08:39] indeed [08:39] we had a tab with "click there to store your session" [08:39] which lusers clicked [08:39] but still, we will ship a feature half-broken, just not visible [08:39] not sure we want to do that [08:39] you convinced me that this option was not useful :) [08:39] I've read enough comments on the internet of technical users being annoyed enough by it being dropped that they consider switching distro that I would like it back in some way [08:40] like a "--will-break-my-session" command line option [08:40] yeah, and you convinced me we should try to be nice to our tech users ;-) [08:40] not sure that shipping something broken is what we want, but ok, can look at that :) [08:41] oh, you reconsidered finally? ;) [08:41] ;-) [08:41] because you were quite clear about this, I'm surprized you changed your opinion for that particular one :p [08:41] well anyway I was still on the impression that you said you would turn it on for oneiric but only from a command line at UDS [08:41] but ok, in that case, I can revisit [08:41] that's why I assigned you the bug [08:41] didrocks, only idiots don't revisit their positions sometimes ;-) [08:41] yeah, I changed the blueprint and talk here IIRC about it [08:45] seb128: seems to hang again :/ [08:52] pitti, :-( [08:52] seb128: so, thinking about it, I think that people rather want to "start applications reliably at each boot" (they won't spaw the command line each time they want to register the session). So basically, the application list at startup without system apps can do it [08:52]