[00:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: refresh the mozilla blueprint if you're doing more updates (I marked xiphos done)
[00:24] <chrisccoulson> oh, ok, i didn't realise that
[00:24] <chrisccoulson> bdrung_, there?
[00:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: np, just glad this stuff is getting done :)
[00:25] <chrisccoulson> heh
[00:27] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: FYI, we _may_ end up shipping Linux 3.6.19 / 5.0.1 builds on Monday
[00:27] <bhearsum> that call won't be made until tomorrow sometime, though
[00:27] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, thanks. will there actually be anything new in them for us? i tried looking at the new changesets
[00:28] <bhearsum> nope! there's only two mac-only patches
[00:28] <micahg> bhearsum: ugh, are there public meeting notes somewhere?
[00:28] <bhearsum> micahg: no :(
[00:28] <bhearsum> i can forward you both some mail, though
[00:28] <bhearsum> you guys may want to get on the release-drivers mailing list, too
[00:28] <micahg> ah, I saw the mac stuff in the delivery meeting though
[00:29] <bhearsum> do you want the summary mail?
[00:29] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, that would be useful. david ascher mentioned that at UDS last year too, but nothing ever progressed (wrt to the release-drivers list)
[00:30] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: lemme see what i can do
[00:30] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, cool, thanks!
[00:30] <bhearsum> in the meantime ,where should i send this mail?
[00:31] <micahg> micah at ubuntu dot com would work for me
[00:32] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, chris.coulson at canonical dot com for me
[00:32] <bhearsum> k
[00:35] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[00:35] <micahg> bhearsum: thanks for the updates, but I don't think we need to worry about this
[00:37] <bhearsum> cool
[00:40] <bhearsum> is it accurate to say that you guys are "pretty interested in staying on top of the latest information with regard to chemspills and other releases"?
[00:40] <micahg> bhearsum: yes :)
[00:40] <chrisccoulson> yes, definitely :)
[00:40] <bhearsum> k :)
[00:40] <micahg> bhearsum: if I have lead time on chemspills, I can try to have them out the door same day
[00:40] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, that's definitely one area where we're not so good with at the moment
[00:41]  * micahg says this as he still hasn't pushed Thunderbird 3.1.11...
[00:42] <bhearsum> alright, just sent mail
[00:42] <bhearsum> given that this info would help you guys simulship with us, i can't _imagine_ why it would be an issue
[00:42] <bhearsum> linux users getting updates later than everyone else has always made us sad
[00:42] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[00:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we try to push as quick as possible, but chemspills are normally quite difficult
[00:50] <bhearsum> yeah
[06:30] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: shoot
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> hi bdrung_, how are you?
[10:06] <glenn_> hi
[10:06] <glenn_> ho can help me with calendar
[10:14] <glenn_> in witchfile  the Platform-specific directories
[10:29] <glenn_> hi
[11:54] <asac> chrisccoulson: fta gone? you own chromium now?
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> i need a faster laptop
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> according to launchpad, eclipse only takes 10 minutes to build, but it's been 30 minutes so far here :/
[12:44] <glenn_> is it so that i have Platform-specific directories to put in the chrome.manifest
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> bdrung_, do you know which bits of eclipse use xulrunner? (ie, what functionality is missing if it doesn't exist)
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> i just did a build here without it, and i'd like to check things aren't broken
[12:55] <glenn_> is it so that i have Platform-specific directories to put in the chrome.manifest
[13:01] <glenn_> hi
[13:09] <chrisccoulson> uploading the daily builds across a 3g connection = not fun
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> sigh @ https://launchpad.net/~silverwave/+archive/testing4
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> he's copied our unpublished builds and published them to everyone already
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> i really don't know what this guy aims to do
[16:13] <glenn_> how can i make a xpi file
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i started looking at merging the functionalty of unitylauncher in to the messagingmenu-extension today
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> i noticed that it does the unread count differently though, and i'm just wondering if you think we should make them the same
[16:16] <glenn_> how can i make a xpi install file
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> (ie the messaging indicator displays the "new" count rather than "unread" count)
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> glenn_, this isn't a support channel, and we already gave you pointers yesterday
[16:17] <glenn_> what channel is it here than
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, because i'm so terrible at reading e-mails, this is what i get in the launcher icon: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Screenshot%20at%202011-07-08%2017:18:39.png ;)
[16:24] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: on my system eclipse takes 7-8 minutes ;)
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> bdrung_, my system is slow ;)
[16:25] <bdrung_> chrisccoulson: i think the help, the webbroser, the instant help/toolbox uses xulrunner
[16:27] <micahg> bdrung_: is paultag having any luck w/3.7?
[16:27]  * micahg wonders why eclipse takes so long for him...
[16:27] <bdrung_> micahg: he managed to get some deps updated/fixed, but we are currently blocked by one dep (help appreciated)
[16:27] <micahg> bdrung_: which one?
[16:28] <bdrung_> mom, let me check
[16:29] <bdrung_> micahg: com.ibm.icu_4.4.2.v20110208.jar -> icu4j
[16:29] <bdrung_> micahg: can you help?
[16:29] <micahg> do you have a document explaining how this generally works?  I know a little java, but have no idea how the libraries are interconnected
[16:30] <micahg> or maybe I can look at previous commits in the VCS of others doing something similar?
[16:31] <micahg> bdrung_: wait, do you just need this upgraded?
[16:33] <bdrung_> micahg: ask in #debian-java on oftc (nthykier is the java expert). it needs to be updated and (here's the problem) the correct osgi metadata needs to be added so that eclipse finds it
[16:43] <bdrung_> micahg: just in case you didn't got it due to your reconnect: ask in #debian-java on oftc (nthykier is the java expert). it needs to be updated and (here's the problem) the correct osgi metadata needs to be added so that eclipse finds it
[16:44] <micahg> bdrung_: ok, thanks
[17:54] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ha!  :)  Time to clear some of those unreads!
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, i've got quite a lot ;)
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Screenshot%20at%202011-07-08%2019:18:45.png
[18:22] <chrisccoulson> matching counts :)
[18:24] <glenn_> chrisccoulson, can i ask you a question about this https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM/XPCOM_changes_in_Gecko_2.0
[18:26] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: yay!  :)  is that a recent version?
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, it's basically this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/640281/
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> (ie, LibUnity.jsm + a few extra lines of code) :)
[18:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I still hope to be able to keep fennec going, but if it's blocking, you can drop it and if I have time, I'll add it back
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg, we shouldn't keep it in the archive atm, there's not a real use case for it until the mozilla platform has touch support on linux
[18:28] <chrisccoulson> and there's no point in us shipping a horribly outdated version
[18:28] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: cool - so we want to ensure that the Launcher displays the number of new, unread messages?
[18:28] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: as opposed to total unread messages?
[18:28] <chrisccoulson> i only noticed this morning that you said last night we still haven't shipped thunderbird 3.1.11, so i'd rather not add more packages in there ;)
[18:29] <micahg> chrisccoulson: hmm, I thought touch at least in terms of mouse control was handled at the X level, but why wouldn't the touch support from android translate to linux?
[18:29] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, it would be on my own time, not work
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, this patch only displays new messages, which is in line with what the messaging indicator does too
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> micahg, android doesn't use X
[18:29] <micahg> ah
[18:30] <micahg> trying to finish up thunderbird today...
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, do you think this approach looks ok?
[18:31] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: it looks alright - assuming that this is the count we want to show.  I thought that the Unity Launcher behaviour was supposed to be similar to the OSX dock badge behaviour, where we display the total unread messages.
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i think that's unclear, but evo currently only displays new messages too
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> and the launcher doesn't handle large counts all that well
[18:32] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: well, if that's the case, then yes, let's stick with the behaviour that Evo users are used to
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> in my case, i would see a permanent "***" in the launcher ;)
[18:32] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: maybe we can give them a choice?
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't mind too much
[18:32] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I like that this merges Unity Launcher and Messaging Menu though
[18:33] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: getting an accurate count of unread messages is actually quite tricky.  Check out my latest Unity Launcher pushes.  :)
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it definitely slims things down a little
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, i had a look at that too
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> i was going to ask in #ayatana what they think the correct behaviour should be, but mpt has finished for the week
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> and i never see any other designers in there :/
[18:36] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I think we should offer a choice.
[18:37] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: but I'm open to argument.  :)
[18:38] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, i don't mind adding an option for showing the total unread count too
[18:39] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, is https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/overflow-priority/+merge/66821 ready to merge btw?
[18:39] <chrisccoulson> my current branch is based on this one, and i was going to create another merge request ;)
[18:39] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh! I hadn't noticed your update
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/unitylauncher/+merge/67387 ;)
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't do the total unread yet, but we can add that after if we want it
[20:44] <chrisccoulson> right, jo's desktop is upgraded to the firefox beta now :)
[20:47]  * micahg can't wait for 7 with the 30% memory footprint improvement
[20:48] <chrisccoulson> just use the nightlies ;)
[20:48] <chrisccoulson> that's all i use now
[20:49] <micahg> I do on my bleeding edge machine
[20:49] <chrisccoulson> jo is my guinea pig for the beta
[20:49] <micahg> it's nice :)
[20:49] <micahg> on my dev laptop that's still on natty, I'm staying close to what's in the archive or what I'll be pushing out next, I'm my own guinea pig :)
[20:51] <micahg> but I'm going to 6 now
[20:53]  * micahg wants to see if 5->6 has any impact on the 2.8GB of resident memory
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, still there?
[20:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, hitting restart in the browser after a major version upgrade still doesn't work
[20:54] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i haven't had time to look at that
[20:54] <micahg> do we have a bug?
[20:54] <chrisccoulson> not sure
[20:54] <micahg> that should probably be milestoned for beta
[20:55] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - what's up?
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i was just wondering whether to upload the launcher integration this evening
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> do you think https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/unitylauncher/+merge/67387 is ok?
[20:56] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ah, i was just in the middle of reviewing it
[20:57] <chrisccoulson> oh,cool. thanks :)
[20:57] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: give me 10 min?
[20:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, sure. i'll be around here for a little bit
[20:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is ubufox still controlling the restart bar in firefox?
[20:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yes, but the restart logic is all firefox
[20:57] <micahg> k
[21:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can I assign to you or just milestone?
[21:00] <micahg> bug 807733
[21:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 807733 in firefox "Firefox doesn't restart after major version upgrades" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807733
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg, feel free to just milestone, i won't be looking at that for a little while, at least
[21:02] <chrisccoulson> can we drop the "major" as well? ;)
[21:02] <chrisccoulson> there's nothing major about 5->6
[21:03] <micahg> it's as opposed to 5 -> 5.0.1
[21:03] <chrisccoulson> well, "major" is the wrong term really, and it makes people think that they really are getting a major upgrade every 6 weeks
[21:03] <chrisccoulson> but that isn't the case
[21:04] <micahg> ugh, I guess it's all upgrades actually...
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> 4->5 < 3.6->4 ;)
[21:04] <micahg> or rather any version bump that modifies that path...
[21:04] <micahg> will clarify in bug
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> that can't be a new problem then, that stuff hasn't changed for a long time
[21:06] <micahg> yes, I was looking at it at one point, I think the bug is buried in one of the other source packages
[21:07] <micahg> *firefox source packages
[21:08] <micahg> I thought it would've gone away with the work you did regarding setting it as a default app (look at the bin path instead of the lib path)
[21:09] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: merged!  Thanks!
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> micahg, that wouldn't affect it, as i think it just launches $appdir/firefox
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, excellent, thanks. will get that uploaded in a minute
[22:28] <BUGabundo> guud evening