[00:01] <rww> Juest: As you've been told in the past, constantly disconnecting and reconnecting from freenode makes it difficult for us to discuss your situation. Come back when you have a stable connection.
[00:02] <Juest> Now is stable. just lost wifi but quickly reconnected
[00:03] <Juest> yes, bazhang,  in #ubuntu....
[00:03] <bazhang> Juest, any idea why you were banned?
[00:03] <Juest> iusses with ikonia, rooted support, etc
[00:04] <Juest> i already said
[00:04] <bazhang> Juest, thats not quite correct
[00:04] <Juest> :(
[00:04] <Juest> why?
[00:04] <bazhang> issues with following the channel guidelines
[00:04] <bazhang> nothing to do with any particular individual
[00:05] <Juest> ah...
[00:06] <bazhang> Juest, seems you need to read the channel guidelines and code of conduct again.
[00:06] <bazhang> !guidelines | juest
[00:06] <bazhang> !coc | Juest
[00:06] <Juest> is there a channel for unsupported questions? like iusses with root
[00:06] <rww> no, that's what "unsupported" means
[00:06] <bazhang> ##linux
[00:07] <Juest> bazhang, the ban is from a time ago
[00:07] <bazhang> Juest, but you still are blaming others
[00:07] <bazhang> Juest, there is not a timeline for comprehending the channel guidelines
[00:08] <Juest> how's that?
[00:08] <rww> As an aside, Juest's bans were April 24th to April 30th, June 5th to June 12th, and June 12th until now.
[00:08] <Juest> the blaming
[00:08] <bazhang> Juest, if you dont understand them, and want to blame issues with others, then the ban will not be lifted
[00:09] <Juest> i do, just...
[00:09] <Juest> i am not a trouble-free guy
[00:09] <bazhang> Juest, yet the first thing you said was you had issues with someone, and not that it was your own not following channel guidelines
[00:10] <rww> Juest: The second time you were banned, you came in here and agreed to our guidelines, got unbanned, and then got banned the same day for breaking them again. Why would we want to unban you again?
[00:10] <Juest> seems my world is not compatible with everyone's world
[00:10] <bazhang> Juest, so come back when you can be trouble-free
[00:10] <Juest> i never will
[00:10] <rww> Okay. Have fun elsewhere, then.
[00:10] <Juest> ...be trouble-free
[00:10] <bazhang> Juest, then #ubuntu is not the place for you
[00:11] <popey> Juest: other support options are available like the forums and askubuntu
[00:11] <bazhang> !askubuntu
[00:11] <bazhang> whoever add that factoid, thank you
[00:11] <rww> deserved ^
[00:11] <bazhang> !-askubuntu
[00:11] <LjL> my bots <3
[00:11] <rww> LjL: have a cookie
[00:12] <LjL> nom
[00:12] <rww> anyway, back to the matter at hand
[00:12] <Juest> why?, i just want live and quick solutions....
[00:13] <bazhang> Juest, your ban will not be lifted until you can be trouble-free and follow the guidelines
[00:13] <Juest> :'(
[00:13] <rww> Juest: #ubuntu is a very busy channel. Without strict rules, it's unmanageable and confusing. Therefore, we have rules. You break those rules repeatedly. Therefore, you are banned.
[00:13] <bazhang> Juest, and as you have said that cannot be, and you will not follow them, there is not a way to move forward
[00:13] <bazhang> cyberwave, hi
[00:13] <cyberwave> hey your floodbot muted me by mistake
[00:14] <rww> The forums and AskUbuntu are different venues that are not realtime, and thus may be more suited to your psychology.
[00:14] <cyberwave> i was trying to get virus help
[00:14] <Juest> really?
[00:14] <cyberwave> yea.  my ubuntu has a virus
[00:14] <cyberwave> or somebody put on a joke program
[00:14] <rww> cyberwave: Unfortunately, you demonstrated a rather problematic lack of common sense by pasting that message in the channel. I'm with the floodbots.
[00:14] <rww> cyberwave: anyways, we're in the middle of something right now. Please hang on a few minutes :)
[00:14] <Juest> cyberwave: not you, i was asking to rww...
[00:15] <rww> Juest: yes, really.
[00:15] <cyberwave> i was told that copy/pasting error messages was the best way to get help
[00:15] <rww> cyberwave: please wait and we'll get to you in a moment
[00:15] <Juest> why do you think that?
[00:15] <cyberwave> whatever, u guys a nigger faggot cunt little bitches.  suck my dick.  TROLLOLOLOLOLOL   NIGGER
[00:15] <cyberwave> especially rww
[00:15] <rww> !ops | cyberwave
[00:15] <cyberwave> LAWLZ
[00:15] <Juest> cyberwave: use pastebin nextime,
[00:16] <Juest> lol?
[00:16] <rww> moving swiftly onwards
[00:16] <rww> Juest: why do I think what?
[00:16] <bazhang> Juest, there will not be a lifting of your ban
[00:16] <Juest> what a sucka, he cannot wait..
[00:16] <Juest> why do you think that?
[00:16] <Juest> uh
[00:16] <Juest> about the forums+askubuntu
[00:16] <bazhang> yes?
[00:17] <Juest> and my pyshco
[00:17] <Juest> rww....
[00:17] <bazhang> ?
[00:17] <rww> Juest: IRC is realtime. There are a lot of people asking things all at once, and we need to sort out different people. You demonstratably do not work well with this environment and its need for strict rules.
[00:18] <rww> Juest: The forums and askubuntu have a very different dynamic, which is one of the reasons that bazhang and I are suggesting you go there for support instead.
[00:19] <Juest> well, i don't like strict rules....
[00:20] <Juest> i am not a veryy forum poster
[00:20] <Juest> and i always froget to check it
[00:20] <Juest> whatever
[00:20] <Juest> for me irc is much better
[00:20] <bazhang> Juest, thats a shame, askubuntu is very helpful
[00:21] <rww> Or, another more blunt reason: We already tried the "agree to unban and follow guidelines" route. It did not work. You're on your third time around. Therefore, we're not comfortable removing your ban at this time, so you /have/ to find somewhere else if you want support.
[00:21] <bazhang> Juest, well then join some channels suitable for your style.
[00:24] <bazhang> Juest, as our discussion is at an end, please part the channel
[00:26] <Juest> any suggestions?
[00:26] <bazhang> Juest, I made several
[00:26] <Juest> ummm
[00:26] <bazhang> good luck
[00:27] <Juest> how faster is askubuntu for answers?
[00:27] <bazhang> try it and see
[00:28] <Juest> umm
[00:28] <Juest> you guys don't know?
[00:28] <bazhang> Juest, there is not a single answer. try it and see.
[00:29] <Juest> :(
[01:08] <rww> I see I missed fun.
[01:11] <Corey> rww: Indeed.
[01:11] <rww> damnit, I just remembered I'm not in Xorg. no easy copypaste
[01:11]  * rww will fix banlist in a couple
[01:12] <Corey> rww: What needs to be fixed?
[01:13] <rww> oh, wait, /unban takes banlist numbers, nvm
[01:13] <Corey> rww: Quite.
[01:15] <rww> not for quiets, though. can someone grab those useless +q's?
[01:15] <Corey> rww: Sure.
[01:15] <rww> thanks :)
[01:22] <Corey> rww: Scripting is fun.
[01:22] <Corey> rww: Screenscrape into a file called "quiet", and then  cat quiet | awk '{ print "/mode -q "$7 }'
[01:32] <rww> !firewall =~ s/  / /
[01:48] <bazhang> rabbitear seems to be all noise, no help
[01:49] <rww> indeed
[01:50] <rww> acsalaska.net is familiar and dynamic, might want to keep an eye out
[01:50] <bazhang> wfm
[01:51] <rww> @comment 41593 unrepentant offtopic comments, backtalk when asked to stop. remove ban on review
[01:54] <bazhang> keyboard driver guy, again
[01:54] <rww> Terminal_, the guy with the capslock obsession, is back. I forget if they got banned last time
[01:55] <bazhang> * [__sephiroth] (~wizardken@unaffiliated/cwhizz): asdfjasdlkjfasd  ban dodging in -ot
[01:56] <rww> what's the BT ID for their cloak ban?
[01:59] <bazhang> 41195
[02:07] <bazhang> * [clcto] (~cdw@pool-173-48-154-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net): cdw   <--- known?
[02:09] <rww> Terminal_'s another dynamic hostname user, btw >.>
[02:10] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu clcto slacker-: no chitchat here. take it to offtopic when user said "hi"
[02:10] <bazhang> the @mark works fine with [, but chokes on <
[02:22] <bazhang> * [rabbitear] (~juice@209-112-185-28-rb1.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net): Juice just ban dodged then quit
[02:23] <bazhang> * [rabbitear] (~juice@209-112-185-28-rb1.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net): Juice
[02:23] <bazhang> how?
[02:26] <bazhang> ah, never removed.
[02:27] <rww> they told me to bam them, not kickbam them.
[02:28] <bazhang> yep. my bad
 i am cornholio
[02:38] <bazhang> that IP has tons of ban evaders and other unpleasantness
[02:39] <rww> yay IPv6
[03:03] <IdleOne> that is not what my sound is
[03:03] <rww> your sound isn't working fine with everything else actually?
[03:04] <IdleOne> correct
[04:25] <bazhang> why are people ignoring suggestions, and insisting on the wrong packages
[04:25] <bazhang> they have the bot on /ignore?
[04:26] <rww> summer break is awesome
[04:26] <bazhang> augh
[04:30] <bazhang> guest888etc is being deliberately obtuse?
[04:32] <rww> either way, this silliness is done as far as I'm concerned
[04:43] <rww> When #ubuntu gets very ridiculous, I often step back and stop paying attention because it annoys me. This makes me feel bad because I feel like I know what I'm doing and leaving further reduces the sanity in there. It's a no-win situation for me.
[04:48] <bazhang> yep
[04:48] <bazhang> time to take a break at that point
[04:49] <rww> I just got back from a break ;(
[04:49] <bazhang> not that kind of break
[04:49] <rww> !nickspam > h
[04:49]  * pleia2 hugs rww 
[04:50] <bazhang> wow. he's nickspamming the entire alphabet
[04:50] <rww> bazhang: I think they stopped.
[04:51] <rww> or not
[04:56] <jussi> rww: don't feel bad, Its much better that you take the step back route than getting frustrated and burnt out, which often leads to errors in judgement. Also, please, if you still have the feelingthat we do not ahve enough operators in any channel, send the IRCC a mail. Ops are not just there as police peoples, but also to help keep the channel sane and safe without using operator privs. SO if you think we need more, please let us know.
[04:56] <rww> jussi: I don't think it's something we can cure by throwing more operators at it at this point, unless we want to start mandatory vacation rotations ;)
[04:57] <rww> I don't have a solution, though.
[04:58] <rww> (and it's rather likely the bug is in my firmware rather than the channel)
[04:58] <jussi> rww: yeah, its a knotty problem. But please, do keep taking a break when you need it, and don't feel bad for doing it.
[05:04] <tsimpson> bazhang: about @mark, [ is a valid character in nicks, where [foo] and foo are distinct but both valid nicks on IRC. when you @mark with a nick inside [] (like output from /whois) the bot just sees a valid nick, not a nick wrapped in square-brackets. this makes a mark no [foo]!*@* rather than foo!whatever@whatever
[05:04] <tsimpson> just thought I'd clarify how it works
[05:04] <bazhang> tsimpson, thanks, just saw the glitch with > but not [
[05:05] <tsimpson> probably down to the fact that < and > are both invalid characters for nicks
[05:06] <tsimpson> all of []`_^{}| and a-zA-Z are valid at the start of nicks
[05:07] <bazhang> heh nice
[05:07] <tsimpson> adding '-' and 0-9 after the first character
[05:07] <Flannel> A face to begin a nick!
[05:07] <tsimpson> I have seen people with "ascii-art" nicks, so yeah
[05:11] <tsimpson> oh, I forgot '\' too
[06:21] <rww> reports of on-join spam by Cindyy in #ubuntu from two people. my webchat isn't triggering it
[06:23] <bazhang> nothing here either
[06:23] <Tm_T> will try
[06:23] <rww> maybe they stopped when they got pinged in-channel, iono
[06:28] <Tm_T> nothing for me either
[06:28] <Tm_T> maybe I should have spoken something
[06:29] <rww> I spoke something :|
[06:29] <rww> and the first thing Matic`Makovec said was !kick Cindyy
[06:59] <Myrtti> rww: we lubs u ♥
[07:49] <elky> rww, be you trolling me before with your vacation roster suggestion? :P
[08:59] <Tm_T> vacation rotation... I thought we did that already, me being permanently put aside (;
[09:42] <Myrtti> uhoh
[09:43] <Myrtti> [12:41] < Zacheous> what would you tell someone that got EFFED by someone givving them an .sh that had  "chmod -R 666 /" in it?
[09:43] <Myrtti> I'm going for a shower, I don't have any helpful advice for him :-(
[09:45] <Myrtti> oh well
[09:46] <oCean> we got even a thanks for nothing!
[09:46] <Myrtti> innit nice
[10:55] <ikonia> are there any -women ops free
[11:03] <Gary> I'm about, but not named specifically on the access list
[11:04] <LjL> Gary: how goes
[11:04] <ikonia> ahhh Gary you live !
[11:05] <Myrtti> ohai
[11:05] <Gary> hai
[11:06] <Myrtti> anything that needs adressing with?
[11:06] <Myrtti> specifically with logs
[11:07] <Myrtti> details in pm if necessary
[11:08] <ikonia> ah, it's fine, she's shut up with sexism crap now
[11:56]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow
[12:11] <knome> Myrtti, only one? :P
[12:12] <Myrtti> yup
[12:13] <Tm_Tr> may I raise one armhair?
[12:15] <Tm_T> no, you may not
[12:19] <knome> lol
[13:07] <bazhang> orionic onion
[13:13] <highvoltage> that's when a onion is part of a row of onions?
[13:13] <ikonia> Almtesh's question is reasonable for #ubuntu right ?
[13:21] <bazhang> glenn is glda19 with the thunderbird PPA and lightning beta issues of many days
[13:21] <ikonia> yes
[13:21] <ikonia> and he agreed to stop asking about it
[13:22] <ikonia> glenn_: do you remember the conversation we had yesterday in this channel where you agreed to stop asking about unsupported software in #ubuntu ?
[13:22] <glenn_> yes
[13:22] <ikonia> ok - so why are you again asking about it in #ubuntu
[13:23] <glenn_> the only querstion is how can i add two version of tb in ubuntu noting more
[13:24] <ikonia> glenn_: did we or did we not agree that the thunderbird 5 stuff was not available in ubuntu beyond testing and the correct channel was #ubuntu-mozillateam ?
[13:24] <glenn_> yes
[13:25] <ikonia> ok - so again, why are you in #ubuntu asking about it again
[13:25] <ikonia> you know the correct channel, we spoke about it yesterday, you where also in the correct channel yesterday, so why now just ignore what we spoke about
[13:26] <glenn_> did you understand the question  what i ask
[13:27] <ikonia> yes, how can you have multiple thunderbird versions on your machine at the same time
[13:28] <ikonia> glenn_: and as one of those versions is thunderbird 5 from the PPA or from a different source, we told you "it's not supported" and gave you the correct resources to ask for help/support/advice in
[13:28] <ikonia> you agreed to stop asking about it
[13:29] <glenn_> i can ask the same question for other program why ban
[13:29] <ikonia> glenn_: are you trying to install 2 stable and supported thunderbird versions on your ubuntu machine ?
[13:30] <glenn_> yesq
[13:30] <ikonia> glenn_: really, which versions ?
[13:30] <glenn_> stop it
[13:31] <glenn_> i'm sik of it
[13:31] <ikonia> no, I'm asking a question, you've just said you're tyring to install 2 stable versions, which versions ?
[13:31] <glenn_> leav it
[13:31] <ikonia> glenn_: and I'm sick of having to ask you to stop asking about unsupported software
[13:31] <ikonia> I banned you yesterday and you agreed to stop, I removed the ban and you've just gone back to asking about it
[13:32] <glenn_> I'm tired of me having to answer for every question I ask
[13:33] <glenn_> i'm tired
[13:33] <elky> You wouldn't have to answer here now if you'd followed the directions provided previously.
[13:33] <ikonia> glenn_: I think it best you take a break from usuing #ubuntu for a while (you're welcome to use the other channels)
[13:34] <glenn_> i'm tired
[13:34] <IdleOne> glenn_: for help with thunderbird 5 on Ubuntu #ubuntu-mozillateam is the proper place to ask.
[13:34] <ikonia> glenn_: come back when you feel you agree to stop asking about unsupported software and stick to it
[13:34] <glenn_> always ban bban
[13:34] <ikonia> IdleOne: he knows, he's in there, this was explained yesteday, hence why this is now a straight ban
[13:34] <glenn_> it's supported stuf
[13:34] <ikonia> glenn_: ok - so we'll leave it there then,
[13:34] <ikonia> glenn_: it's not
[13:34] <glenn_> it is
[13:34] <glenn_> bye
[13:35] <ikonia> we've been through this, so lets not waste any more time
[13:35] <ikonia> bye
[13:35] <glenn_> go to hell
[13:35] <popey>  /106
[13:35] <popey> bah!
[13:35] <ikonia> ok
[13:35] <elky> Heh.
[13:35] <elky> I think that ban will stay for a while.
[13:36] <ikonia> I would understand the furstation if there was no where to get help, but mozilla team was great with him yesteday
[13:36] <Myrtti> sad part is that if he hadn't installed it from the ppa, the advice would be trivial to give
[13:36] <ikonia> yesterday
[13:36] <Myrtti> :->
[13:36] <Myrtti> AFAIK
[14:44] <rww> elky: it may have occured to me that that topic has come up before :P
[18:04]  * h00k facepalms
[18:04] <Pici> eh?
[18:04] <h00k> eh.
[18:55] <rww> LjL: oh. lol.
[18:55] <LjL> sorry, i have to go! bbl
[18:57] <LjL> rww: come back
[18:59] <rww> on the positive side, we're now ineligible for #ubuntu-ops ops for a while under your plan :P
[18:59] <LjL> speak for yourself sensei
[18:59] <rww> oh, boo
[20:30] <ikonia> a lot of people's friends seem to shutdown their computers in the middle of a major OS version upgrade, why is this ?
[20:30] <h00k> ikonia: mean friends :(
[20:31] <ikonia> seems to happen a massive ammount
[20:32] <rww> they then come on IRC and insult everyone
[21:16] <qin> Am I voiced?
[21:18] <knome> tota
[21:18] <knome> errmmmm
[21:18] <knome> totally wrong window...
[21:21] <Flannel> tota to you too!
[21:21] <rww> Am I voiced?
[21:25] <genii-around> Apparently
[23:37] <bazhang> why do people never understand the word "unsupported"? people say it, and they continue asking for help
[23:40] <popey> bazhang: because it has numerous meanings
[23:41] <popey> unsupported = get lost we actively refuse to support that
[23:41] <bazhang> popey, not following you
[23:41] <popey> unsupported = do that and if it breaks you get to keep the pieces
[23:41] <popey> they are different
[23:41] <bazhang> this guy wants to mix stuff from oneiric repos with natty
[23:41] <bazhang> 'help my break my system'
[23:41] <bazhang> err me
[23:41] <popey> heh
[23:42] <popey> well, it's his system ☺
[23:42] <popey> s/his/their/
[23:43] <bazhang> yep. and he's been informed he's on his own, but keeps asking for help to do it.
[23:44] <bazhang> 'where's the poisoned chalice?' 'hand it to me, please'
[23:58]  * IdleOne offers bazhang a cup of wine