[00:00] Meeting in 30 minutes [00:01] I should timestamp chat [00:01] Agenda? [00:01] [20:00:01] < cyberanger> Meeting in 30 minutes [00:01] VERY on time! [00:01] so 8:30 EDT [00:01] Yep! [00:01] oh lol [00:01] @ topic [00:01] I wasn't going to say that part... [00:15] Meeting in 15 minutes [00:15] Script or do you sit there camping for the second? (I'm guessing script...) [00:20] Meeting in 10 minutes [00:25] Meeting in 5 minutes [00:26] cyberanger: you chairing this one? [00:28] cyberanger: ping [00:30] Meeting Time [00:30] #startmeeting [00:30] Meeting started at 19:30. The chair is cyberanger. [00:30] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [00:30] o/ [00:36] hello? [00:36] Hello :) [00:36] hi nathandyer [00:37] This is my first meeting, is this unusual? [00:37] nathandyer: a bit [00:37] cyberanger: ping === pace_t_zulu is now known as pace_t_zulu|ec2 === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu [00:42] hey pace_t_zulu [00:43] hey cyberanger, pace_t_zulu [00:43] yeah, sorry, modem lockup (torrent bug, won't happen twice) [00:43] Shall we do this? [00:43] I'm in and out atm [00:43] right after I started mootbot, real bad timing [00:44] I have limited typing ability [00:44] pace_t_zulu: of course, if everyone is reade (sounds like it) [00:44] ready* [00:44] tried to catch the meeting on time but didn't work out for me either (unpacking) [00:44] Ready [00:44] Ready [00:44] I've only got one item, and it can wait [00:45] any other item for this meeting? [00:45] I'm here for a min or so [00:45] netritious: anything for the meeting? [00:46] no sure don't cyberanger [00:46] I have no agenda items [00:46] ok, guess my two are are it [00:46] item one, elections next month [00:47] [topic] Elections next month [00:47] New Topic: Elections next month [00:47] at our meeting, aug 4th [00:48] item two, I've got busy two months, and am focusing on a project to start a state lug [00:49] and resigning my trustee position this month, and will run for east tn leadership next month [00:49] I'm appointing pace_t_zulu the trustee pending next months election [00:49] unless anyone here objects [00:49] None here [00:50] Sounds good to me [00:50] [vote] appoint pace_t_zulu Trustee Pro Tempre [00:50] Please vote on: appoint pace_t_zulu Trustee Pro Tempre. [00:50] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:50] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn [00:50] * cyberanger hopes he spelled that right [00:50] +1 [00:50] +1 received from cyberanger. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:50] +0 [00:50] Abstention received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:51] +1 [00:51] +1 received from nathandyer. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:51] Interim trustee works too [00:51] lol, yeah, that it would have [00:51] netritious: ? [00:51] wrst: ? [00:51] any body else [00:52] sounds good +1 [00:52] netritious: ccan MootBot heear that (it's in vote) [00:52] Private +1 vote received. 3 for, 0 against, 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:52] was getting there lol [00:53] and one private, last call for votes, I'll wait one minute & if there isn't close votes [00:54] ok [00:54] [endvote] [00:54] Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3 [00:55] our yearly terms end next meeting, with elections for new leadership [00:56] I've already begun transitioning trustee duties to pace_t_zulu, for this month [00:56] he's just finishingg my term for this month, unless he runs for trustee next month [00:57] that's all I have, any new items? [00:58] I have nothing to add. [00:58] * wrst checks in for a bit [00:58] Neither have I [00:59] congrats Trustee Pro Tempre, pace_t_zulu [00:59] congrats pace_t_zulu :) [00:59] and see everyone next month [00:59] #endmonth [00:59] congrats pace_t_zulu! [00:59] lol [00:59] #endmeeting [00:59] Meeting finished at 19:59. [00:59] I wish I could end a month that easily [00:59] woot pace_t_zulu|ec2 [00:59] Congrats pace_t_zulu! At what point do you find who is running? [01:00] cyberanger: me too [01:00] Thanks guys [01:00] I've gotta split. Fun first meeting! [01:01] Unit193: mailing list or during the meeting [01:01] it's pretty open forum [01:02] Thanks! I was just wondering... [01:02] in tennessee to lead, in tennessee to vote, not much else required ;-) [01:02] Gotta run y'all [01:02] and too tight knit a group to have any issues usually ;-) [01:02] see you pace_t_zulu [01:02] pace_t_zulu: see pm [01:02] at your leasure [01:03] pace_t_zulu: Adios! cyberanger: :D [01:03] cyberanger: not a lot of politics even in the politics [01:03] Unit193: see you later [01:03] And good luck with the lug! [01:04] cyberanger: Not me, I was saying adios to pace [01:04] Unit193: thanks (I'll still be here, just as a leader gotta insure I can do it, if I can't insure that, insure someone else can) [01:04] oh, I was highlighted for the big smile [01:05] wrst: yeah, we keep it simple, have opinions, and hate everyone for it [01:05] but keep it out of politics, keep it civil [01:05] yep good stuff [01:06] I'd elect any policitan that could do that (and let my budget look like Washington DC's) [01:09] even funnier, most of our opinions agree [01:09] including ones hating unity [01:11] wrst: that's why some of us here (myself and I'll let others name themselves) are creating a statewide lug [01:12] not to conflict with any other lug or this loco [01:12] but allow small towns without a lug have a place to goto [01:13] and allow differing ideas (esp if ubuntu council someday cared about my debian talk here, or somebody else assisting in arch, so on) [01:14] I know people in main -offtopic or even support channels that talk about debian a little [01:15] #ubuntu-offtopic? [01:15] or some other offtopic [01:15] (cause #ubuntu even sounds off topic to me ;-)) [01:16] Unit193: ^^ [01:16] Xubuntu and Lubuntu, I don't ever go to ubuntu* [01:16] cyberanger: I think its a good idea [01:17] #ubuntu is a mad house [01:17] Mostly because I don't use "Ubuntu". Going to have a lug channel? (Not going to troll it...) [01:17] Unit193: I avoid it like the plauge, but some things are unavoidable [01:18] Unit193: yes, but I'll have to get back to you on that (I didn't set that part up) [01:18] cyberanger: Na, I was just asking [01:19] and your welcome to join (as am I, I just dunno what channel to join) [01:20] some other lugs have members from 10, 20 years ago, that moved out, joined the air force, I'd only ask there be an intrest in linux, unix, etc. [01:20] and the state is more a focus area, not a limiter [01:21] Unit193: we setup a few channels, I think we decided on one, with the plan to follow is to forward the others to it [01:21] that's why idk which is the channel that we planned for [01:23] Unit193: #tn-lug is the one I know of, if you (or anyone else) want's to join that [01:23] I'm not an exclusive Liunx user, but I sure as heck use it! (Sadly, the best computer for VBox is windows >_> ) [01:24] cyberanger: I don't think there are any active lugs close to me [01:24] I'm into FreeBSD, pfsense, m0n0wall, debian, ubuntu [01:24] avoid windows, been years I've chosen to use it [01:25] sometimes the choice isn't your own though [01:25] Unit193: well, idk your actual town, I might have a better idea where it'd be otherwise [01:25] I've never use a *BSD, but I kinda want to try one and OpenIndiana while I'm at it [01:26] I followed that regions lugs, anything about 150 miles from Erie, PA [01:26] a town that didn't have a lug when I left, and appears to have died since [01:27] OpenIndiana? [01:27] Solaris [01:28] Unit193: i tried out pcbsd here a few weeks ago... not for me but for server security i suspect it would be great [01:28] (mainy FreeBSD was for work, but I used it for a small while myself, as a server, esp when learning pfsense) [01:28] Unit193: ah [01:28] wrst: yeah, it's a different beast [01:28] servers mainly [01:29] and routers (pfsense and m0n0wall are FreeBSD or NetBSD derived) [01:29] oh, I left out CentOS [01:29] yeah cyberanger i tried pc-bsd meant of course to be a desktop version it was ok, but kde based and a really awkward implementation of kde [01:30] on my list [01:30] centOS :\ [01:30] wrst: yeah, but cpanel is a limiting factor [01:30] cyberanger: If you want to know what location and LUG I'm talking about, PM? [01:30] leaving it FreeBSD or centos pretty much [01:32] I think they support Red Hat, but that's costly for it's worth [01:38] cyberanger: I do like the state lug idea could have a little wider topic area [01:39] chugalug is more of a work focus (to a point) [01:39] and a little outside my area [01:39] too far, too little notice (usually) [01:39] servers, programmers [01:40] klug seems to die often enough (my guess, too tied to utk for anything in summer) [01:40] nlug is great, cookelug seems an in-person group [01:40] haven't heard golum recently [01:41] wnclug (ashevliie nc area) is a great desktop focus [01:41] I'm a routing and networking person, found some in the area where dial up is it, I support it more than any lug I know of [01:41] varity is nice [01:43] see everybody shortly, leaving the hotspot, heading home [01:43] some stops on the way, 45 minuts I guess [01:48] later cyberanger === pace_t_zulu|ec2 is now known as pace_t_zulu [02:35] wb pace_t_zulu [02:35] hey wrst [02:35] had to improvise for a bit [02:36] well sometimes thats fun [02:38] I've had to SSH into router > Computer 1 > Computer 2 to get to my screen [02:38] Unit193: tell me more of tomato, if you have the time? [02:39] wrst: I'm not the best at this, but sure! I can tell you the b/w usage back to September if you wish (Upload, download, both) [02:41] I have options for Realtime, Last 24 Hours, Daily, Weekly, Monthly. Keyfile ssh access, good QOS (that I don't use) [02:41] Great Access Restrictions with iptables as a backend [02:42] hmm Unit193 I think I'm sold :) [02:42] wrst: Haha! Nice! Any questions that you may be looking for? [02:43] no just curious why you liked and I think cyberanger uses it also? [02:44] Tomato-USB has VPN and USB support too [02:46] I might give that a try looking at some screen shots pretty impressive stuff [02:47] Screenshots from? http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato [02:47] yes [02:48] I'll be back in a few (Shower in case you REALLY wanted to know ;) ) [02:48] Unit193: i just put one of these in for my aunt today http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162034&cm_re=dd-wrt-_-33-162-034-_-Product [02:49] and Unit193 I'm perfectly ok with lack of detail, I'm out for the night probaby see you later [03:33] oo [03:33] mtg still going on? [03:34] Where is minutes? [03:40] wrst: not used it in awhile, built my own [03:40] out of debian (was ubuntu) [03:41] and I used pfsense since then too (but prefer my own, more support for my needs) [03:42] cyberanger: Built your own? Works on normal routers too? [03:42] wrst: you use something similar, dd-wrt right? [03:42] Unit193: no, not yet, desktop or server (or laptops) [03:44] two nic's are needed. my case I have 4 I think, one lan ethernet card, one celluar card, one 56k modem ( for a bad day) and one wan ethernet card [03:44] perhaps I miscounted, cause I think I'm forgetting one [03:44] Seen untangle? (Linux distro, kinda) [03:44] yeah, prefer pfsense to it though [03:45] Unit193: untangle is such a resource hog [03:45] and celluar and dial up support seem lacking in any modern router distro too [03:45] netritious: I've never used it, just a glance [03:45] (granted dial up isn't modern, but what I need to support it, is the same thing I need to support modern celluar cards) [03:45] cyberanger: pfsense, at least when you start adding packages, doesn't seem so stable to me...to many things break [03:46] netritious: I didn't see that, but it was awhile ago, things changed I suppose [03:48] cyberanger: I ran the 2.0-RC1 for about three maybe four months on the watchguard, updated one day from pfsense and would never boot [03:49] since the watchguard doesn't have a monitor and I could never get the console working properly I have to disassemble everytime to pull the CF card to reload [03:50] yeah, not a good thing, one more reason DIY is sometimes best [03:50] so call it a corner case but it did the same thing on 1.2 a year or so ago and remember I bad mouthed in here a bit [03:50] *bad mouthed pfsense [03:50] yeah, I do, when I was first starting swissknife-router [03:50] cyberanger: I compeltely agree [03:51] ...that DIY at least for me (and you?) is working out great [03:51] shorewall is pretty cool [03:51] but buggy in lucid [03:52] yeah, trying to turn it into a project too, but right now the project is on hold [03:52] chilispot on debian is great, dunno if I've done much with shorewall [03:52] no project for me...real application or moving along to maybe LFM [03:53] or back to FreeBSD [03:53] LFM? [03:53] Linux From Scratch [03:53] ah, right [03:53] sorry, LFS [03:54] http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ [03:54] FreeBSD is nice, but idk if shorewall works on it [03:54] I'm not so strapped into shorewall that it's required [03:54] since shorewall deals with iptables, not ipfw (which means I've not used it, prefer to write my own rules) [03:54] it just manages Netfilter [03:55] just like iptables does (forgot I can say Netfilter to you, most people don't know iptables isn't the firewall, Netfilter is) [03:55] FreeBSD actually has a few native firewalls [03:57] ipfw is most like Netfilter/iptables, but I do believe there is one that is significantly more sophisticated... [03:57] can't put my finger on the name atm [03:57] pf [03:57] been a while for me and (real) FreeBSD [03:57] I'd guess it's pf [03:57] I think that's what pfSense uses? or does pfSense use ipfw? [03:58] (pfsense was named for making more sense out of pf, to an end user, but nowadays idk) [03:58] (now it may tie into ipfw, or both might tie into the same kernel code, so you can use both?) [03:58] * netritious is out of touch with Unix [03:58] lol [03:59] well, I prefer debian, and unfortunately my hands are tied sometimes [03:59] cyberanger: any time you want to give me a 1:1 rundown on the finer points of using iptables I'm all ears. [04:00] I still haven't mastered it, but I'm learning [04:01] I'm still learning too (it's sorta like trying to see every inch of the US in a week, can't be done) [04:01] but I've used it's DNAT feature to redirect port 80 to a transparent intercepting proxy (squid) [04:02] I'm kinda sort of (very slowly) working on a web gui for iptables using lighttpd, php5 (fastcgi) and sqlite [04:02] I've done the same rule, adapted for dns, to beat another firewall forcing me to use their dns server [04:03] my goal is to create a meta-package for my ppa [04:03] found that if you set it right, it's extremely lightweight, extremely versitale, and there is a rule for anything [04:03] but I think the finer bit is in the NAT table, from a router's prospective [04:03] Netfilter? (..is extremely lightweight?) just asking what you mean [04:04] it *is* lightweight [04:04] port forwarding, DMZ [04:04] yes Netfilter/iptables combo is all that, lightweight, versitle, with a rule for any need [04:05] right now my dev box is 1GB ram, 1.3 GHz celeron (mobile), and 4GB CF, and I am only using 38 mb ram and <700MB on the hdd [04:05] with a running fw [04:07] I started with ubuntu jeOS (8.04) and upgraded to lucid, changed kernel from -virtual to -generic-pae (for servers) and went from there, basically cutting out the ubuntu-standard package altogether [04:08] I've had it do portforwarding to a ampache server on port 8080, since I didn't trust ampache on day one, didn't want it as root [04:08] the -virtual kernel isn't built with Netfilter [04:08] but to all computers, it was listening on 80 [04:08] ampache? is that a typo or a cool web server I don't know about? [04:09] this case not a typo, derived from apache2, multimedia web player [04:09] ah [04:10] like lala.com (prior to apple buying it, damn I hate that to this day, no great replacement yet even) [04:11] it's worth the trust, but I didn't fully trust the source recommending it [04:11] cool cyberanger [04:11] so I played it carefully [04:11] well I'm out for the night... have to get up early in the morning... Unit193 nice to see a new face in here :) [04:12] nite cyberanger, err'body :) [04:12] my dev box is anything with virtualbox 256mb ram, debian [04:12] night netritious [04:12] I rsync between desktop and laptop [04:12] Too late to say adios... [04:13] yeah, gotta be quick with alot of the people here [04:14] I had to file a bug :/ [04:15] on what [04:15] * cyberanger grabs the can of RAID [04:16] Silicone spray and match got 'em [04:26] lol [04:30] * Unit193 has done that ^^ [04:32] * cyberanger borrows a line from Independence Day, Let's Nuke the Bastards [04:33] The flame from silicone spray is so much better than others! [05:24] 0.0 [05:30] orias: a real eye opener, huh [05:30] fire cleanses almost everything [05:30] :D [07:22] Now is as good as ever... [07:23] pace_t_zulu: Now you get to watch me be stupid too ;) (Though I don't plan to say anything...) [10:34] cyberanger: yes [10:57] yes? [11:18] wrst: ^ [11:42] wrst: you use something similar, dd-wrt right? [13:00] how did the meeting go last night? [13:00] morning wrst [13:00] et all [13:00] morning Xpistos [13:39] morning wrst [13:48] hey twayneprice got the email I may try to join in on that if my work cooperates, thanks [13:59] wrst: Cool. I'm looking forward to it. [13:59] yes hopefully I will be able to make that [15:25] Okay so I finally broke down and am byuying a new computer [15:25] http://ecomm.dell.com/dellstore/basket.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&itemtype=CFG&details=undefined [15:34] cool XP [15:34] UHH [15:34] cool Xpistos [15:35] my wife is a bit upset that I would spend that much but it was my bonus money [15:35] she said we could buy a car for that [20:12] * cyberanger wonders what a bonus is, considers *looking at* Xpistos's [20:12] * cyberanger could use a car ;-) [20:13] congrats on the reward for some hard work Xpistos [20:21] Thank you [20:21] I have been doing network support and web maintence - 2 jobs for the price of one [21:33] I have an interestign question. [21:34] I have a VIDEO_TS folder that I need to transfer to a DVD. How do I go about doing that? I don't believe I can do a straight copy to a DVD but is there another way?