[00:00] <cyberanger> Meeting in 30 minutes
[00:01] <Juzzy> I should timestamp chat
[00:01] <Juzzy> Agenda?
[00:01] <Unit193> [20:00:01] < cyberanger> Meeting in 30 minutes
[00:01] <Unit193> VERY on time!
[00:01] <Juzzy> so 8:30 EDT
[00:01] <Unit193> Yep!
[00:01] <Juzzy> oh lol
[00:01] <Juzzy> @ topic
[00:01] <Unit193> I wasn't going to say that part...
[00:15] <cyberanger> Meeting in 15 minutes
[00:15] <Unit193> Script or do you sit there camping for the second? (I'm guessing script...)
[00:20] <cyberanger> Meeting in 10 minutes
[00:25] <cyberanger> Meeting in 5 minutes
[00:26] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you chairing this one?
[00:28] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[00:30] <cyberanger> Meeting Time
[00:30] <cyberanger> #startmeeting
[00:30] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:30. The chair is cyberanger.
[00:30] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:30] <pace_t_zulu> o/
[00:36] <pace_t_zulu> hello?
[00:36] <nathandyer> Hello :)
[00:36] <pace_t_zulu> hi nathandyer
[00:37] <nathandyer> This is my first meeting, is this unusual?
[00:37] <pace_t_zulu> nathandyer: a bit
[00:37] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[00:42] <cyberanger> hey pace_t_zulu
[00:43] <netritious> hey cyberanger, pace_t_zulu
[00:43] <cyberanger> yeah, sorry, modem lockup (torrent bug, won't happen twice)
[00:43] <pace_t_zulu> Shall we do this?
[00:43] <netritious> I'm in and out atm
[00:43] <cyberanger> right after  I started mootbot, real bad timing
[00:44] <pace_t_zulu> I have limited typing ability
[00:44] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: of course, if everyone is reade (sounds like it)
[00:44] <cyberanger> ready*
[00:44] <netritious> tried to catch the meeting on time but didn't work out for me either (unpacking)
[00:44] <pace_t_zulu> Ready
[00:44] <nathandyer> Ready
[00:44] <cyberanger> I've only got one item, and it can wait
[00:45] <cyberanger> any other item for this meeting?
[00:45] <netritious> I'm here for a min or so
[00:45] <cyberanger> netritious: anything for the meeting?
[00:46] <netritious> no sure don't cyberanger
[00:46] <pace_t_zulu> I have no agenda items
[00:46] <cyberanger> ok, guess my two are are it
[00:46] <cyberanger> item one, elections next month
[00:47] <cyberanger> [topic] Elections next month
[00:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Elections next month
[00:47] <cyberanger> at our meeting, aug 4th
[00:48] <cyberanger> item two, I've got busy two months, and am focusing on a project to start a state lug
[00:49] <cyberanger> and resigning my trustee position this month, and will run for east tn leadership next month
[00:49] <cyberanger> I'm appointing pace_t_zulu the trustee pending next months election
[00:49] <cyberanger> unless anyone here objects
[00:49] <pace_t_zulu> None here
[00:50] <nathandyer> Sounds good to me
[00:50] <cyberanger> [vote] appoint pace_t_zulu Trustee Pro Tempre
[00:50] <MootBot> Please vote on:  appoint pace_t_zulu Trustee Pro Tempre.
[00:50] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:50] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
[00:50]  * cyberanger hopes he spelled that right
[00:50] <cyberanger> +1
[00:50] <MootBot> +1 received from cyberanger. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:50] <pace_t_zulu> +0
[00:50] <MootBot> Abstention received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:51] <nathandyer> +1
[00:51] <MootBot> +1 received from nathandyer. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:51] <pace_t_zulu> Interim trustee works too
[00:51] <cyberanger> lol, yeah, that it would have
[00:51] <cyberanger> netritious: ?
[00:51] <cyberanger> wrst: ?
[00:51] <cyberanger> any body else
[00:52] <netritious> sounds good +1
[00:52] <cyberanger> netritious: ccan MootBot heear that (it's in vote)
[00:52] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 3 for, 0 against, 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:52] <netritious> was getting there lol
[00:53] <cyberanger> and one private, last call for votes, I'll wait one minute & if there isn't close votes
[00:54] <cyberanger> ok
[00:54] <cyberanger> [endvote]
[00:54] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3
[00:55] <cyberanger> our yearly terms end next meeting, with elections for new leadership
[00:56] <cyberanger> I've already begun transitioning trustee duties to pace_t_zulu, for this month
[00:56] <cyberanger> he's just finishingg my term for this month, unless he runs for trustee next month
[00:57] <cyberanger> that's all I have, any new items?
[00:58] <pace_t_zulu> I have nothing to add.
[00:58]  * wrst checks in for a bit
[00:58] <nathandyer> Neither have I
[00:59] <cyberanger> congrats Trustee Pro Tempre, pace_t_zulu
[00:59] <netritious> congrats pace_t_zulu :)
[00:59] <cyberanger> and see everyone next month
[00:59] <cyberanger> #endmonth
[00:59] <nathandyer> congrats pace_t_zulu!
[00:59] <cyberanger> lol
[00:59] <cyberanger> #endmeeting
[00:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:59.
[00:59] <cyberanger> I wish I could end a month that easily
[00:59] <wrst> woot pace_t_zulu|ec2
[00:59] <Unit193> Congrats pace_t_zulu! At what point do you find who is running?
[01:00] <wrst> cyberanger: me too
[01:00] <pace_t_zulu> Thanks guys
[01:00] <nathandyer> I've gotta split. Fun first meeting!
[01:01] <cyberanger> Unit193: mailing list or during the meeting
[01:01] <cyberanger> it's pretty open forum
[01:02] <Unit193> Thanks! I was just wondering...
[01:02] <cyberanger> in tennessee to lead, in tennessee to vote, not much else required ;-)
[01:02] <pace_t_zulu> Gotta run y'all
[01:02] <cyberanger> and too tight knit a group to have any issues usually ;-)
[01:02] <cyberanger> see you pace_t_zulu
[01:02] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: see pm
[01:02] <cyberanger> at your leasure
[01:03] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: Adios! cyberanger: :D
[01:03] <wrst> cyberanger: not a lot of politics even in the politics
[01:03] <cyberanger> Unit193: see you later
[01:03] <Unit193> And good luck with the lug!
[01:04] <Unit193> cyberanger: Not me, I was saying adios to pace
[01:04] <cyberanger> Unit193: thanks (I'll still be here, just as a leader gotta insure I can do it, if I can't insure that, insure someone else can)
[01:04] <cyberanger> oh, I was highlighted for the big smile
[01:05] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, we keep it simple, have opinions, and hate everyone for it
[01:05] <cyberanger> but keep it out of politics, keep it civil
[01:05] <wrst> yep good stuff
[01:06] <cyberanger> I'd elect any policitan that could do that (and let my budget look like Washington DC's)
[01:09] <cyberanger> even funnier, most of our opinions agree
[01:09] <cyberanger> including ones hating unity
[01:11] <cyberanger> wrst: that's why some of us here (myself and I'll let others name themselves) are creating a statewide lug
[01:12] <cyberanger> not to conflict with any other lug or this loco
[01:12] <cyberanger> but allow small towns without a lug have a place to goto
[01:13] <cyberanger> and allow differing ideas (esp if ubuntu council someday cared about my debian talk here, or somebody else assisting in arch, so on)
[01:14] <Unit193> I know people in main -offtopic or even support channels that talk about debian a little
[01:15] <cyberanger> #ubuntu-offtopic?
[01:15] <cyberanger> or some other offtopic
[01:15] <cyberanger> (cause #ubuntu even sounds off topic to me ;-))
[01:16] <cyberanger> Unit193: ^^
[01:16] <Unit193> Xubuntu and Lubuntu, I don't ever go to ubuntu*
[01:16] <wrst> cyberanger: I think its a good idea
[01:17] <wrst> #ubuntu is a mad house
[01:17] <Unit193> Mostly because I don't use "Ubuntu". Going to have a lug channel? (Not going to troll it...)
[01:17] <cyberanger> Unit193: I avoid it like the plauge, but some things are unavoidable
[01:18] <cyberanger> Unit193: yes, but I'll have to get back to you on that (I didn't set that part up)
[01:18] <Unit193> cyberanger: Na, I was just asking
[01:19] <cyberanger> and your welcome to join (as am I, I just dunno what channel to join)
[01:20] <cyberanger> some other lugs have members from 10, 20 years ago, that moved out, joined the air force, I'd only ask there be an intrest in linux, unix, etc.
[01:20] <cyberanger> and the state is more a focus area, not a limiter
[01:21] <cyberanger> Unit193: we setup a few channels, I think we decided on one, with the plan to follow is to forward the others to it
[01:21] <cyberanger> that's why idk which is the channel that we planned for
[01:23] <cyberanger> Unit193: #tn-lug is the one I know of, if you (or anyone else) want's to join that
[01:23] <Unit193> I'm not an exclusive Liunx user, but I sure as heck use it! (Sadly, the best computer for VBox is windows >_> )
[01:24] <Unit193> cyberanger: I don't think there are any active lugs close to me
[01:24] <cyberanger> I'm into FreeBSD, pfsense, m0n0wall, debian, ubuntu
[01:24] <cyberanger> avoid windows, been years I've chosen to use it
[01:25] <cyberanger> sometimes the choice isn't your own though
[01:25] <cyberanger> Unit193: well, idk your actual town, I might have a better idea where it'd be otherwise
[01:25] <Unit193> I've never use a *BSD, but I kinda want to try one and OpenIndiana while I'm at it
[01:26] <cyberanger> I followed that regions lugs, anything about 150 miles from Erie, PA
[01:26] <cyberanger> a town that didn't have a lug when I left, and appears to have died since
[01:27] <cyberanger> OpenIndiana?
[01:27] <Unit193> Solaris
[01:28] <wrst> Unit193: i tried out pcbsd here a few weeks ago... not for me but for server security i suspect it would be great
[01:28] <cyberanger> (mainy FreeBSD was for work, but I used it for a small while myself, as a server, esp when learning pfsense)
[01:28] <cyberanger> Unit193: ah
[01:28] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, it's a different beast
[01:28] <cyberanger> servers mainly
[01:29] <cyberanger> and routers (pfsense and m0n0wall are FreeBSD or NetBSD derived)
[01:29] <cyberanger> oh, I left out CentOS
[01:29] <wrst> yeah cyberanger i tried pc-bsd meant of course to be a desktop version it was ok, but kde based and a really awkward implementation of kde
[01:30] <cyberanger> on my list
[01:30] <wrst> centOS :\
[01:30] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, but cpanel is a limiting factor
[01:30] <Unit193> cyberanger: If you want to know what location and LUG I'm talking about, PM?
[01:30] <cyberanger> leaving it FreeBSD or centos pretty much
[01:32] <cyberanger> I think they support Red Hat, but that's costly for it's worth
[01:38] <wrst> cyberanger: I do like the state lug idea could have a little wider topic area
[01:39] <cyberanger> chugalug is more of a work focus (to a point)
[01:39] <cyberanger> and a little outside my area
[01:39] <cyberanger> too far, too little notice (usually)
[01:39] <cyberanger> servers, programmers
[01:40] <cyberanger> klug seems to die often enough (my guess, too tied to utk for anything in summer)
[01:40] <cyberanger> nlug is great, cookelug seems an in-person group
[01:40] <cyberanger> haven't heard golum recently
[01:41] <cyberanger> wnclug (ashevliie nc area) is a great desktop focus
[01:41] <cyberanger> I'm a routing and networking person, found some in the area where dial up is it, I support it more than any lug I know of
[01:41] <cyberanger> varity is nice
[01:43] <cyberanger> see everybody shortly, leaving the hotspot, heading home
[01:43] <cyberanger> some stops on the way, 45 minuts I guess
[01:48] <wrst> later cyberanger
[02:35] <wrst> wb pace_t_zulu
[02:35] <pace_t_zulu> hey wrst
[02:35] <pace_t_zulu> had to improvise for a bit
[02:36] <wrst> well sometimes thats fun
[02:38] <Unit193> I've had to SSH into router > Computer 1 > Computer 2 to get to my screen
[02:38] <wrst> Unit193: tell me more of tomato, if you have the time?
[02:39] <Unit193> wrst: I'm  not the best at this, but sure! I can tell you the b/w usage back to September if you wish (Upload, download, both)
[02:41] <Unit193> I have options for Realtime, Last 24 Hours, Daily, Weekly, Monthly. Keyfile ssh access, good QOS (that I don't use)
[02:41] <Unit193> Great Access Restrictions with iptables as a backend
[02:42] <wrst> hmm Unit193 I think I'm sold :)
[02:42] <Unit193> wrst: Haha! Nice! Any questions that you may be looking for?
[02:43] <wrst> no just curious why you liked and I think cyberanger uses it also?
[02:44] <Unit193> Tomato-USB has VPN and USB support too
[02:46] <wrst> I might give that a try looking at some screen shots pretty impressive stuff
[02:47] <Unit193> Screenshots from? http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato
[02:47] <wrst> yes
[02:48] <Unit193> I'll be back in a few (Shower in case you REALLY wanted to know ;) )
[02:48] <wrst> Unit193: i just put one of these in for my aunt today http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162034&cm_re=dd-wrt-_-33-162-034-_-Product
[02:49] <wrst> and Unit193 I'm perfectly ok with lack of detail, I'm out for the night probaby see you later
[03:33] <Juzzy> oo
[03:33] <Juzzy> mtg still going on?
[03:34] <Juzzy> Where is minutes?
[03:40] <cyberanger> wrst: not used it in awhile, built my own
[03:40] <cyberanger> out of debian (was ubuntu)
[03:41] <cyberanger> and I used pfsense since then too (but prefer my own, more support for my needs)
[03:42] <Unit193> cyberanger: Built your own? Works on normal routers too?
[03:42] <cyberanger> wrst: you use something similar, dd-wrt right?
[03:42] <cyberanger> Unit193: no, not yet, desktop or server (or laptops)
[03:44] <cyberanger> two nic's are needed. my case I have 4 I think, one lan ethernet card, one celluar card, one 56k modem ( for a bad day) and one wan ethernet card
[03:44] <cyberanger> perhaps I miscounted, cause I think I'm forgetting one
[03:44] <Unit193> Seen untangle? (Linux distro, kinda)
[03:44] <cyberanger> yeah, prefer pfsense to it though
[03:45] <netritious> Unit193: untangle is such a resource hog
[03:45] <cyberanger> and celluar and dial up support seem lacking in any modern router distro too
[03:45] <Unit193> netritious: I've never used it, just a glance
[03:45] <cyberanger> (granted dial up isn't modern, but what I need to support it, is the same thing I need to support modern celluar cards)
[03:45] <netritious> cyberanger: pfsense, at least when you start adding packages, doesn't seem so stable to me...to many things break
[03:46] <cyberanger> netritious: I didn't see that, but it was awhile ago, things changed I suppose
[03:48] <netritious> cyberanger: I ran the 2.0-RC1 for about three maybe four months on the watchguard, updated one day from pfsense and would never boot
[03:49] <netritious> since the watchguard doesn't have a monitor and I could never get the console working properly I have to disassemble everytime to pull the CF card to reload
[03:50] <cyberanger> yeah, not a good thing, one more reason DIY is sometimes best
[03:50] <netritious> so call it a corner case but it did the same thing on 1.2 a year or so ago and remember I bad mouthed in here a bit
[03:50] <netritious> *bad mouthed pfsense
[03:50] <cyberanger> yeah, I do, when I was first starting swissknife-router
[03:50] <netritious> cyberanger: I compeltely agree
[03:51] <netritious> ...that DIY at least for me (and you?) is working out great
[03:51] <netritious> shorewall is pretty cool
[03:51] <netritious> but buggy in lucid
[03:52] <cyberanger> yeah, trying to turn it into a project too, but right now the project is on hold
[03:52] <cyberanger> chilispot on debian is great, dunno if I've done much with shorewall
[03:52] <netritious> no project for me...real application or moving along to maybe LFM
[03:53] <netritious> or back to FreeBSD
[03:53] <cyberanger> LFM?
[03:53] <netritious> Linux From Scratch
[03:53] <cyberanger> ah, right
[03:53] <netritious> sorry, LFS
[03:54] <netritious> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[03:54] <cyberanger> FreeBSD is nice, but idk if shorewall works on it
[03:54] <netritious> I'm not so strapped into shorewall that it's required
[03:54] <cyberanger> since shorewall deals with iptables, not ipfw (which means I've not used it, prefer to write my own rules)
[03:54] <netritious> it just manages Netfilter
[03:55] <cyberanger> just like iptables does (forgot I can say Netfilter to you, most people don't know iptables isn't the firewall, Netfilter is)
[03:55] <netritious> FreeBSD actually has a few native firewalls
[03:57] <netritious> ipfw is most like Netfilter/iptables, but I do believe there is one that is significantly more sophisticated...
[03:57] <netritious> can't put my finger on the name atm
[03:57] <cyberanger> pf
[03:57] <netritious> been a while for me and (real) FreeBSD
[03:57] <cyberanger> I'd guess it's pf
[03:57] <netritious> I think that's what pfSense uses? or does pfSense use ipfw?
[03:58] <cyberanger> (pfsense was named for making more sense out of pf, to an end user, but nowadays idk)
[03:58] <cyberanger> (now it may tie into ipfw, or both might tie into the same kernel code, so you can use both?)
[03:58]  * netritious is out of touch with Unix
[03:58] <netritious> lol
[03:59] <cyberanger> well, I prefer debian, and unfortunately my hands are tied sometimes
[03:59] <netritious> cyberanger: any time you want to give me a 1:1 rundown on the finer points of using iptables I'm all ears.
[04:00] <netritious> I still haven't mastered it, but I'm learning
[04:01] <cyberanger> I'm still learning too (it's sorta like trying to see every inch of the US in a week, can't be done)
[04:01] <cyberanger> but I've used it's DNAT feature to redirect port 80 to a transparent intercepting proxy (squid)
[04:02] <netritious> I'm kinda sort of (very slowly) working on a web gui for iptables using lighttpd, php5 (fastcgi) and sqlite
[04:02] <cyberanger> I've done the same rule, adapted for dns, to beat another firewall forcing me to use their dns server
[04:03] <netritious> my goal is to create a meta-package for my ppa
[04:03] <cyberanger> found that if you set it right, it's extremely lightweight, extremely versitale, and there is a rule for anything
[04:03] <cyberanger> but I think the finer bit is in the NAT table, from a router's prospective
[04:03] <netritious> Netfilter? (..is extremely lightweight?) just asking what you mean
[04:04] <netritious> it *is* lightweight
[04:04] <cyberanger> port forwarding, DMZ
[04:04] <cyberanger> yes Netfilter/iptables combo is all that, lightweight, versitle, with a rule for any need
[04:05] <netritious> right now my dev box is 1GB ram, 1.3 GHz celeron (mobile), and 4GB CF, and I am only using 38 mb ram and <700MB on the hdd
[04:05] <netritious> with a running fw
[04:07] <netritious> I started with ubuntu jeOS (8.04) and upgraded to lucid, changed kernel from -virtual to -generic-pae (for servers) and went from there, basically cutting out the ubuntu-standard package altogether
[04:08] <cyberanger> I've had it do portforwarding to a ampache server on port 8080, since I didn't trust ampache on day one, didn't want it as root
[04:08] <netritious> the -virtual kernel isn't built with Netfilter
[04:08] <cyberanger> but to all computers, it was listening on 80
[04:08] <netritious> ampache? is that a typo or a cool web server I don't know about?
[04:09] <cyberanger> this case not a typo, derived from apache2, multimedia web player
[04:09] <netritious> ah
[04:10] <cyberanger> like lala.com (prior to apple buying it, damn I hate that to this day, no great replacement yet even)
[04:11] <cyberanger> it's worth the trust, but I didn't fully trust the source recommending it
[04:11] <netritious> cool cyberanger
[04:11] <cyberanger> so I played it carefully
[04:11] <netritious> well I'm out for the night... have to get up early in the morning... Unit193 nice to see a new face in here :)
[04:12] <netritious> nite cyberanger, err'body :)
[04:12] <cyberanger> my dev box is anything with virtualbox 256mb ram, debian
[04:12] <cyberanger> night netritious
[04:12] <cyberanger> I rsync between desktop and laptop
[04:12] <Unit193> Too late to say adios...
[04:13] <cyberanger> yeah, gotta be quick with alot of the people here
[04:14] <Unit193> I had to file a bug :/
[04:15] <cyberanger> on what
[04:15]  * cyberanger grabs the can of RAID
[04:16] <Unit193> Silicone spray and match got 'em
[04:26] <cyberanger> lol
[04:30]  * Unit193 has done that ^^
[04:32]  * cyberanger borrows a line from Independence Day, Let's Nuke the Bastards
[04:33] <Unit193> The flame from silicone spray is so much better than others!
[05:24] <orias> 0.0
[05:30] <cyberanger> orias: a real eye opener, huh
[05:30] <orias> fire cleanses almost everything
[05:30] <orias> :D
[07:22] <Unit193> Now is as good as ever...
[07:23] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: Now you get to watch me be stupid too ;)  (Though I don't plan to say anything...)
[10:34] <wrst> cyberanger: yes
[10:57] <cyberanger> yes?
[11:18] <cyberanger> wrst: ^
 wrst: you use something similar, dd-wrt right?
[13:00] <Xpistos> how did the meeting go last night?
[13:00] <Xpistos> morning wrst
[13:00] <Xpistos> et all
[13:00] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[13:39] <twayneprice> morning wrst
[13:48] <wrst> hey twayneprice got the email I may try to join in on that if my work cooperates, thanks
[13:59] <twayneprice> wrst:  Cool.  I'm looking forward to it.
[13:59] <wrst> yes hopefully I will be able to make that
[15:25] <Xpistos> Okay so I finally broke down and am byuying a new computer
[15:25] <Xpistos> http://ecomm.dell.com/dellstore/basket.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&itemtype=CFG&details=undefined
[15:34] <wrst> cool XP
[15:34] <wrst> UHH
[15:34] <wrst> cool Xpistos
[15:35] <Xpistos> my wife is a bit upset that I would spend that much but it was my bonus money
[15:35] <Xpistos> she said we could buy a car for that
[20:12]  * cyberanger wonders what a bonus is, considers *looking at* Xpistos's
[20:12]  * cyberanger could use a car ;-)
[20:13] <cyberanger> congrats on the reward for some hard work Xpistos
[20:21] <Xpistos> Thank you
[20:21] <Xpistos> I have been doing network support and web maintence - 2 jobs for the price of one
[21:33] <Xpistos> I have an interestign question.
[21:34] <Xpistos> I have a VIDEO_TS folder that I need to transfer to a DVD. How do I go about doing that? I don't believe I can do a straight copy to a DVD but is there another way?