[00:01] <bryceh>  /etc/lightdm/Xsession
[00:01] <RAOF> That doesn't actually start the server, though.
[00:02] <bryceh> well it's just  /usr/bin/X :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/authority/0 -nolisten tcp vt7
[00:03] <bryceh> compared with /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-jn8cMJ/database -nolisten tcp vt7
[00:16] <cnd> could the -nr have something to do with it?
[00:17] <RAOF> Unlikely; that just turns on BGNoneRoot.
[00:17] <RAOF> Which interacts not at all with input.
[00:20] <cnd> are we 100% sure?
[00:20] <cnd> is there a way I could check it?
[01:28] <RAOF> Woo!  More intel fbc.
[01:44] <Sarvatt> RAOF: what are you thinking, --with-extra-module-dir="/usr/lib/${DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH}/xorg/extra-modules"
[01:44]  * Sarvatt saw the xorg-server task opened up
[01:44] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Indeed I am.
[01:44] <RAOF> Well, actually, --with-extra-module-dir="/usr/lib/${DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH}/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules\
[01:44] <RAOF> "
[01:45] <Sarvatt> i'm not sure that it'll take 3, hmm
[01:45] <bryceh> cnd, heh lp #807306 just came in
[01:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 807306 in xorg (Ubuntu) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807306
[01:45] <bryceh> looks like you're not alone
[01:46] <Sarvatt> in kvm? hmm that should be easy to reproduce
[01:47] <Sarvatt> will check tomorrow's daily live
[01:47] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Looks like X should handle as many comma-delimited components to that path as we want.
[01:48] <Sarvatt> kvm -cdrom oneiric-desktop-i386.iso  -boot d -m 512 --vga vmware
[01:48] <Sarvatt> love how easy that is
[01:48] <Sarvatt> oh? thought i read it wouldn't in the patch, my bad
[01:48] <Sarvatt> awesome, if thats all it takes it'd be easy
[01:49] <RAOF> The patch doesn't change how the string is parsed at all, and the parser seems to loop over the strtok components, so… :)
[02:18] <RAOF> Hm.  Multiarching stuff is an excellent way to discover locally installed cruft.
[02:19] <RAOF> “What do you mean you can't resolve shlibdeps for /usr/lib/libpixman?  Oh, it's now in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/?  What's that local copy doing there?”
[06:07] <tjaalton> bryceh: the logfile on that bug shows no input devices
[06:08] <RAOF> Which would make it Sarvatt's ‘udev doesn't fire for input devices’ bug.
[06:09] <bryceh> also cirrus.  ick
[06:09] <tjaalton> that's what kvm has
[06:09] <tjaalton> cirrus, that is
[06:10] <bryceh> XAA yum
[06:10] <tjaalton> most of them do just that :)
[06:11] <bryceh> is there a bug # for sarvatt's udev bug?
[06:12] <tjaalton> i've not seen that before
[06:19] <RAOF> I'm not sure if he actually filed it.
[07:43] <RAOF> It looks like it's time for your old friend, deadly neurotoxin.
[07:46] <tjaalton> happy boozing :)
[15:42] <tseliot> RAOF: still around?
[15:54] <Sarvatt> cnd: did you ever try downgrading lightdm?
[15:54] <cnd> Sarvatt, lightdm never worked for me
[15:55] <cnd> so I wouldn't know which version to try?
[15:55] <Sarvatt> yeah but this is happening to more people now post alpha 2 so it might have just been reintroduced
[15:55] <Sarvatt> checking
[15:55] <Sarvatt> 0.4.1-0ubuntu1
[15:56] <seb128> Sarvatt, what bug?
[15:56] <Sarvatt> seb128: the one you guys are talking about, cnd hit it after an upgrade about 18 hours ago too
[15:57] <seb128> which is 2 hours early than the bug report
[15:57] <seb128> i.e 10utc yesterday
[15:57] <Sarvatt> but he had it back in may as well and had been using gdm this whole time
[15:57] <seb128> it's not lightdm
[15:57] <seb128> kenvandine said on #ubuntu-desktop he gets it with startx
[15:57] <Sarvatt> gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d in ~/.xinitrc and an xinit works
[15:58] <cnd> I get it with xdm too
[15:58] <Sarvatt> ah
[15:58] <Sarvatt> ok then nevermind :)
 i am guessing udev
[15:58] <seb128>  maybe udev gets the plugin event and configures the device
[15:58] <seb128>  confirmed, re-plugging in the mouse and keyboard worked
[15:58] <seb128>  but doesn't work at boot
 looking at the X logs, it isn't finding input devices
[15:59] <Sarvatt> https://launchpad.net/bugs/807306 is another bug, apparently we should be able to reproduce it in kvm with today's daily-live
[15:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 807306 in xorg (Ubuntu) "[oneiric] Keyboard & mouse not working in X (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[15:59] <seb128> jibel says he doesn't get it
[15:59] <Sarvatt> oh no daily live today, darn
[15:59] <Sarvatt> alpha 2 is fine it was something updated just after
[16:00] <jibel> we have a list of package updated in bug 807538
[16:00] <jibel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/807538/+attachment/2197590/+files/history.log
[16:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 807538 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Keyboard and touchpad problems (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807538
[16:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 807538 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Keyboard and touchpad problems (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[16:02] <seb128> that one has an xorg server update
[16:02] <Sarvatt> thats natty?
[16:03] <jibel> no oneiric, but looks like a mutant
[16:03] <seb128> that's a natty to oneiric upgrader
[16:03] <seb128> would be nicer to find somebody who has the issue on oneiric to oneiric update
[16:08] <Sarvatt> i did oneiric alpha 2 installs on 2 machines and just fully updated them and they are fine
[16:22] <Sarvatt> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2011-July/004255.html hrm
[16:23] <Sarvatt> that also has /etc/nsswitch.conf in it and libnss was crashing with gdm, wonder if its related
[16:41] <Sarvatt> cnd: dbus?
[16:41] <cnd> Sarvatt, what about dbus?
[16:42] <Sarvatt> it had a huge update and switched to upstart, wondering if something got left around on upgrades breaking things that arent there on a fresh install
[16:43] <cnd> hmm
[16:44] <cnd> let me know if you can think of something for me to try
[23:23] <Sarvatt> so the emails from people trying to use xorg-edgers on debian are getting a bit out of hand, I wonder if launchpad will ever support debian PPAs.. I'd be more than happy to maintain a debian version of it but our xserver and mesa are so drasically different you can't just use it that way anymore for the past few years. I use debian-unstable debian/ for everything but xserver mesa intel nouveau ati synaptics and evdev so that stuff wouldn't change bu
[23:23] <Sarvatt> t thats like the majority of the usage by far
[23:26] <bryceh> Sarvatt, seriously?  how many people trying to do that?
[23:31] <Sarvatt> enough to make me think it'd be worth maintaining a debian specific version when I dont use it :P just counted 31 emails this week, usually people leaving ubuntu for debian over unity and wanting the same thing they used to have (wait until they get gnome 3 pulled in automatically) lol
[23:35] <bryceh> oh yeah, the unity dissidents will probably die down in time
[23:36] <bryceh> Sarvatt, probably if you don't do it, if there's enough demand someone will volunteer on the debian side to do something similar
[23:37] <bryceh> and if not... tough titties ;-)
[23:37] <bryceh> I'd like to know why so many people run -edgers... it sort of implies we're missing something in the distro itself
[23:38] <Sarvatt> because you get things like 20% speed improvements overnight and its drastically less unstable than people think, that matters to gamers :)
[23:42] <Sarvatt> but the person who cares about that is probably more willing to forgive a bug they hit than someone who just expects the desktop to work perfectly