[00:05] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 177 * debian/ (changelog copyright) Add MIT license for kdepasswd/passwd.h
[01:23] <kubu2> shouldn't the ppa for 4.6.5 be qualified more to say kubuntu-ppa/ppa ninstead of just kubuntu-ppa?
[01:23] <kubu2> *instead
[01:36] <kubu2> IIRC adding just kubuntu-ppa will open up backports, beta, experimental and staging which may not be what you want?
[01:52] <kubu2> oh well..
[06:27] <Quintasan> Good morning
[07:12] <bambee> morning
[07:14] <Quintasan> bambee: \o
[07:15] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[07:15] <bambee> hey ;)
[07:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: first you ask for a vote on licensing, then you complain about copyright, I do not follow
[07:37] <apachelogger> on a general remark: this is more complicated than you might think
[07:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: When did I complain about copyright?
[07:37] <apachelogger> like saying copyright rests with kubuntu developers
[07:37] <Quintasan> And it does not?
[07:37] <apachelogger> which I have seen not only kubuntu developers use
[07:37] <apachelogger> 2 problems with that
[07:38] <apachelogger> a) if the person who uses it is not a kubuntu developer there would need to be an explicit copyright assignment
[07:38] <apachelogger> "I ronald mcdonald assign all might copyrights to the kubuntu-developers ...."
[07:38] <apachelogger> which directly leads to 
[07:39] <apachelogger> b) kubuntu developers is no legal entity, as such it leads to a bazillion questions regarding excution of rights
[07:39] <apachelogger> now WRT licensing
[07:39] <apachelogger> as yofel already said, if you have Files: debian/* then that license applies to everything in there
[07:40] <apachelogger> including patches, manpages and whatnot
[07:42] <apachelogger> you licnese gpl3+ but upstream is gpl2, can the patch even be gpl3+ now?
[07:43] <Quintasan> In short this leads to a licensing PITA
[07:44] <Quintasan> What's the advantage of debian/* being under the same license as the rest of the source?
[07:44] <apachelogger> upstream can simply pick patches and include them
[07:44] <apachelogger> without us ever doing anything
[07:45] <apachelogger> also it prevents license incompatibility issues (for the better part)
[07:46] <apachelogger> at any rate, the KC could not force people into licensing or copyrighting anything anyhow
[07:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you by any chance see mterry's reply on grantlee MIR?
[07:50] <apachelogger> the current package is highly confusing indeed, however I know that unpatched version leads to compile error on ARM (tried that already :D)
[07:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: did you upload anything?
[07:55] <apachelogger> the wiki doesn't look much different
[07:55] <Quintasan> only kwordquiz and okular
[07:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Mostly because it gets rejected
[07:56] <Quintasan> some packageset magic as ScottK
[07:56] <Quintasan> or I misunderstood something
[07:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yep, i know, altho i still have to figure out how to make it work over LAN
[07:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: cool
[07:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I do not understand though
[07:59] <apachelogger> you should be able to upload all new packages
[07:59] <apachelogger> as they end up in universe and you are motu
[07:59] <Quintasan> Last time I tried to upload okular it got rejected
[07:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: cause it is in main
[08:00] <apachelogger> okular was uploaded already
[08:00] <Quintasan> Then I tried retrying kwordquiz build on armel but it turned out I do not have permissions
[08:00] <apachelogger> that is also in main :P
[08:01] <Quintasan> Apparently, Kubuntu Developers have access to main
[08:02] <Quintasan> At least the Kubuntu seed
[08:03] <shadeslayer> morning :)
[08:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the package set, not the seeded packages
[08:04] <apachelogger> then you'd also be able to upload linux cause that is part of our seeding chain
[08:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yo
[08:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is rocs fixed yet?
[08:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[08:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you up the new tar to the ppa?
[08:04] <shadeslayer> i fixed it last night, but Quintasan was going to bed so he couldn't upload it
[08:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Then what can I actually do with Kubuntu Developer powers?
[08:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/rocs_4.6.90+repack.orig.tar.bz2
[08:05] <shadeslayer> packaging from bzr
[08:05] <shadeslayer> rocs upstream has also agreed to move all LGPL 2 licensed code to LGPL 2.1
[08:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should add those to the wiki :P
[08:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is workspace uploaded?
[08:06] <shadeslayer> sure
[08:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I just uploaded it
[08:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: wiki update please ^^
[08:06] <shadeslayer> lemme update if first :P
[08:06] <debfx> Quintasan: the package sets aren't updated automatically, once all new kde packages are uploaded we can ask cjwatson to update it
[08:07] <Quintasan> Oh, I see
[08:07] <CIA-52> [rocs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110709080741-34u357dsp3bwekc0 * debian/copyright merge
[08:07] <Quintasan> yofel: Apparently, kde-l10n-nl tarball was update
[08:07] <Quintasan> updated*
[08:07] <apachelogger> oh
[08:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: srsly, get a proper editor :P
[08:08] <shadeslayer> what happened? :P
[08:08] <Quintasan> He is using emacs
[08:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are using emacs?
[08:09] <shadeslayer> yes
[08:09] <CIA-52> [rocs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110709080931-71k6uhez11uweqn2 * debian/copyright fix formatting
[08:10] <shadeslayer> wth bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Couldn't resolve host 'xmlrpc.launchpad.net' [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[08:10] <apachelogger> ah
[08:10] <apachelogger> dang
[08:10] <apachelogger> more
[08:11] <CIA-52> [rocs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110709081059-g7e6vmihe1magtn6 * debian/copyright more format fixes
[08:11] <shadeslayer> what are you fixing anyways? 0.o
[08:11] <apachelogger> tabz
[08:12] <apachelogger> your editor is incapable of ensuring newline at eof and no mixture of tabs and spaces
[08:12] <apachelogger> are you using notepad.exe?
[08:13] <shadeslayer> lol
[08:13] <apachelogger> oh noes :/
[08:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: rocs copyright is still not right
[08:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats the problem now?
[08:13] <Quintasan> Real man use vim
[08:13] <apachelogger>        src/Tests/TestDataStructure.cpp
[08:13] <apachelogger> copyright sez it is GPL3
[08:13] <apachelogger> file sez it is GPL3+
[08:14] <shadeslayer> fooey
[08:14] <apachelogger>     <one line to give the program's name and a brief idea of what it does.>
[08:14] <apachelogger>     Copyright (C) <year>  <name of author>
[08:14] <apachelogger> you got to be kidding me
[08:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i know
[08:14] <apachelogger> right
[08:14] <shadeslayer> i did a git blame
[08:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: make a choice
[08:14] <shadeslayer> about?
[08:15] <apachelogger> a) we reject the package entirely and bash upstream into fixing their shit or b) you fix this stuff
[08:15] <apachelogger>        src/Tests/TestDataStructure.h is also gpl3+ whereas copyright sez GPL3
[08:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I recommend you review the copyright file yourself again
[08:16] <shadeslayer> ok
[08:16] <apachelogger> src/Tests/TestDynamicProperties.cpp is also gpl3+ btw
[08:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and get the copyright notes fixed
[08:17] <apachelogger> you choose how
[08:17] <shadeslayer> i'll let upstream know, best if they fix it
[08:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then reprot a bug not just a mail
[08:17] <shadeslayer> ko
[08:17] <apachelogger> then they have to deal with it one way or another
[08:17] <shadeslayer> s/ko/ok/
[08:17] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "ok"
[08:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Why is kde-runtime still not in archive?
[08:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: becuase the other packages have higher priority
[08:18] <Quintasan> one way or another kde-workspace is in NEW
[08:18] <apachelogger> yeah, but it does not require that much review as it is mostly just a rename ^^
[08:18] <apachelogger> whereas rocs for example is a completely new package with all messed up licensing business
[08:19] <apachelogger> ah
[08:19]  * apachelogger will have to go for lunch in a ibt
[08:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it would be great if you could review the new packages I did and comment on them in the wiki
[08:20] <apachelogger> I do not feel comfortable uploading them without any review
[08:20] <debfx> apachelogger: kde-runtime is missing breaks/replaces nepomukcontroller
[08:20] <Quintasan> lol
[08:20] <apachelogger> debfx: not uploaded yet anyway
[08:20] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/640680/  (note: I have just installed some project-neon packages and after that it does not work anymore)
[08:20] <bambee> o_O
[08:21] <bambee> s/installed/uninstalled/
[08:21] <kubotu> bambee: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[08:21] <apachelogger> bambee: you need phonon from git
[08:21] <apachelogger> kde-buildsystem poked around in the build system making it incompatible to earlier versions
[08:21] <bambee> ahh ok :)
[08:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: so, I think the best solution for grantlee is to just deactivate tests on armel
[08:22] <debfx> I know, I'll upload it now
[08:22] <apachelogger> cause I recon the enormous amount of template tests makes gcc fail
[08:26] <shadeslayer> kde bug 277401
[08:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looks like i just need to switch GPL-3 with GPL-3+ ....
[08:28] <shadeslayer> everything is GPL (v3 or later)
[08:28] <apachelogger> perhaps I only looked at the files I told you about
[08:28] <apachelogger> a review would be very nice
[08:28] <apachelogger> oh
[08:28] <apachelogger> of all files
[08:29] <apachelogger> and about the oh
[08:29] <apachelogger> !
[08:29] <apachelogger> since dep5 is parsable
[08:29] <apachelogger> we could build an app to help with reviewing that stuff
[08:29] <shadeslayer> well, yes
[08:29] <apachelogger> split view, on one side you have the copyright file, on the left you could have the file currently focused
[08:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Where do I get your repacked tarball for blinken?
[08:32] <bambee> apachelogger: I am not sure, but the "PhononBackend" service type is not found into neon
[08:32] <bambee> (I've just installed project-neon-phonon and THAT ALL)
[08:32] <bambee> then when I try dragon
[08:32] <bambee> dragonplayer(11980)/kdecore (trader) KServiceTypeTrader::defaultOffers: KServiceTypeTrader: serviceType  "PhononBackend"  not found 
[08:33] <bambee> (phonon-gst is installed into /opt/project-neon)
[08:42] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/rocs] Rohan Garg * 7 * debian/copyright Everything is GPL-3+
[08:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ fixed
[08:44] <bambee> in fact, kbuilsycoca4 fixes the problem ^^
[08:44] <bambee> (I am an idiot)
[08:45] <shadeslayer> hah :P
[08:45] <shadeslayer> ok gtg and have lunch, cya
[08:54] <debfx> apachelogger: in kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer: raw/parse.c doesn't have a license and debian/copyright doesn't mention Volker Krause
[08:55] <yofel> debfx: I added breaks/replaces on nepomukcontroller
[08:55] <yofel> good morning btw.
[08:55] <debfx> yofel: yes, but only to -data
[08:55] <debfx> good morning
[08:55] <yofel> ah, that was the only conflict I got
[08:57] <debfx> apachelogger: kdegraphics-thumbnailers: debian/copyright doesn't contain the full text of GPL-1
[09:01] <yofel> Quintasan: kde-l10n-nl tarball on ftpmaster is the same as the one I uploaded, so either he didn't change it or we were so late that we already got the fixed one
[09:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Where do I get your repacked tarball for blinken?
[09:01] <Quintasan> yofel: Oh, okay
[09:03] <debfx> hm is GPL-1 even compatible with GPL-2?
[09:06] <apachelogger> hm
[09:07] <apachelogger> debfx: IIRC parse.c is from libopenraw
[09:07] <apachelogger> where it also doesn't have a license ^^
[09:09] <apachelogger> debfx: <debfx> apachelogger: kdegraphics-thumbnailers: debian/copyright doesn't contain the full text of GPL-1
[09:09] <apachelogger> that I do not understand
[09:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ppa
[09:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if you add deb-src to your sources.list bzr builddeb will actually fetch it automatically
[09:16] <debfx> apachelogger: common-licenses doesn't contain GPL 1 so you need to quote the full license
[09:17] <debfx> but I'm not sure if that file is actually GPL-1 licensed
[09:17] <apachelogger> do I say GPL-1?
[09:17] <apachelogger> cause if I do not then it is not
[09:18] <debfx> the file says GPL without a version which is effectively GPL-1
[09:18] <apachelogger> there is almost no GPL-1 software as the GPL-1 only was used for like 2 years and the replaced by the much superiror v2
[09:18] <apachelogger> debfx: it is effictively any GPL
[09:21] <debfx> well at best the license header is unclear
[09:22] <debfx> as "the GNU General Public License" doesn't exist
[09:23] <apachelogger> no argument there
[09:23] <apachelogger> so is the license of application icons for the better part though
[09:24] <apachelogger> the ghostscript package is also not more descriptive on the matter
[09:24] <apachelogger> well
[09:24] <apachelogger> I am off
[09:24] <apachelogger> o/
[09:25] <debfx> you could add a link to GPL-2 in debian/copyright
[09:26] <debfx> ScottK: could you please reject kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer, it contains a file without licensing header
[09:44] <Quintasan> apachelogger: blinken looks good, uploading
[09:48] <yofel> debfx: uh, common-licenses does contain the GPL-1 here
[09:49] <debfx> yofel: you have a /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-1 file?
[09:49] <yofel> ah, debian bug 436105 fixed in oneiric
[09:50] <yofel> so oneiric has it
[09:51] <debfx> ah, nice
[09:53] <debfx> though I wonder if it's enough to include GPL-1 in debian/copyright since it's most likely incompatible with GPL-2
[11:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: since you wanted me to comment on the wiki then I shall do so
[11:27]  * Quintasan goes on a break
[11:27] <Quintasan> bbl
[12:40] <KRF> just curious, is oneiric going to ship calligra?
[12:47] <apachelogger> debfx: it is v3
[12:47] <shadeslayer> KRF: depends if someone gets around to packaging it and everything
[12:47] <apachelogger> debfx: actual copyright holder of dscparse is artifex
[12:47] <apachelogger> it is original distributed via ghostscript
[12:47] <apachelogger> if you take a look at ghostscript's copyright file you will find an entry License: GPL-3+~Artifex
[12:47] <shadeslayer> debfx: heh, i had the same dilema last night, apparently its broken in natty
[12:48] <apachelogger> debfx: also gpl2 is almost certainly compatible with gpl1 as they ensure the same level of freedom
[12:48] <apachelogger> gpl2 only adds additional non-US mumbo jumbo untop of what gpl1 provides
[12:50] <apachelogger> gone again
[14:24] <Python> hi
[14:45]  * yofel tries to fix kate
[14:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: need to figure out which all libs are public and which are private
[14:46] <yofel> ah :/
[14:47] <shadeslayer> the symbol generating part is easy, but the figuring out the public/private lib mess needs time
[14:47] <yofel> stuff in /usr/lib isn't private IMO unless it's in kde4/
[14:47] <yofel> I'll leave that to you then
[14:48] <shadeslayer> if its not release blocking, i would like to take it up on monday
[14:48] <yofel> not really, just that old kate + new kdelibs is useless in oneiric
[15:00] <Python> what is the latest kde version ?
[15:20] <ikonia> Python: look in kde.org
[15:20] <ikonia> Python: you've been told this is a "development" channel, not support
[15:23] <skfin> Python as a nickname doesnt sound a very good.
[15:24] <Python> ?
[15:33] <ikonia> Python: do you understand this is not a support channel ?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: ahoy
[15:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you get any errors when creating a qemu image using rootstock?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> for ARM that is
[15:55] <shadeslayer> because i get this at the end : http://paste.kde.org/93871
[15:55] <yofel> no idea, was ages ago, got the howto at hand? Then I'll try again
[15:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: just run this : http://paste.kde.org/93877 , but here's the wiki link : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[15:57] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:57] <shadeslayer> typoday--
[15:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: best to add --copy-package-cache to that to save on a bit of bandwidth
[16:01] <yofel> deboostrap running
[16:04] <shadeslayer> lol : W: Bad Bad Qemu, trying second stage one more time (LP #604872)
[16:05] <yofel> o.O
[16:06] <yofel> hm, we have no bzr branch for meta-kde
[16:06]  * yofel creates
[16:08] <yofel> ah, now I'm getting chown errors too :(
[16:09] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:09] <yofel> which is somehow to be expected for /proc ...
[16:10]  * yofel tries with natty
[16:17] <shadeslayer> seems to be building fine with natty
[16:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: natty VM is running without errors so far (configuring packages now)
[16:18] <yofel> heh ^^
[16:18] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:19] <shadeslayer> i guess its that same issue that plagues the pbuilders
[16:20] <shadeslayer> i could probably dist-upgrade it :P
[16:20] <yofel> I'll try that too
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ( dist upgrade the natty qemu )
[16:20] <yofel> more like, looks like that's the only choice that's left right now
[16:21]  * yofel creates an image on his server too
[16:21] <yofel> might make more sense thinking of the build times ^^
[16:22] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:22] <yofel> I: Done
[16:22] <yofel> now...
[16:23] <shadeslayer> will it blend? :P
[16:23] <yofel> 925524 433M -rw-r--r-- 1 yofel root  1.0G 2011-07-09 18:22 qemu-armel-201107091810.img
[16:23] <yofel> 924118 156K -rw-r--r-- 1 root  root  155K 2011-07-09 18:08 rootstock-201107091801.log
[16:23] <yofel> 925525  40K -rw-r--r-- 1 root  root   39K 2011-07-09 18:22 rootstock-201107091810.log
[16:26] <yofel> hm, I forgot the kernel :(
[16:26] <shadeslayer> what kernel?
[16:27] <yofel> nvm, didn't read the wiki page properly
[16:27] <shadeslayer> yeah, you don't need the kernel :D
[16:29] <yofel> now... the kernel seems to boot, but that's it :/
[16:29] <shadeslayer> you don't get to even a tty?
[16:30] <yofel> ah wait, it didn't automatically switch to one
[16:30] <yofel> now I have the login prompt
[16:30] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: :D http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/qarm.png
[16:31] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:32] <shadeslayer> i'm still stuck at python-minimal here :P
[16:32] <yofel> heh
[16:33]  * yofel makes a backup of that image NOW
[16:33] <shadeslayer> I: Installing core packages... 
[16:34] <yofel> hm, now my keyboard input doesn't work right o.O
[16:37] <yofel> hm, 1GB is a bit small of an image :/
[16:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: fix config in /etc/default/keyboard to match that of your native system?
[16:37] <yofel> shadeslayer: nah, the keyboard mapping was total chaos suddenly
[16:37] <shadeslayer> weird
[16:37] <yofel> had to reset qemu
[16:37]  * yofel doesn't have problems with US keyboards
[16:38] <yofel> great, no network :/
[16:39] <shadeslayer> whut?
[16:39] <yofel> dunno, only lo is up
[16:39] <shadeslayer> didn't it read ports.ubuntu.com sources when the tarball is generated
[16:40] <yofel> funny thing: resolv.conf is set right, just eth0 is down
[16:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: there are instructions on how to bridge connections on the wiki page
[16:40] <shadeslayer> I: Qemu image saved as /home/shadeslayer/qemu-armel-201107092151.img
[16:40] <yofel> shadeslayer: I'll do that later on my server, got a bridge already running there
[16:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: how did you boot the image? 
[16:41] <yofel> the command is below on the wiki
[16:41] <yofel> qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel ./vmlinuz -hda qemu-armel-201107091810.img -m 256 -append "root=/dev/sda mem=256M devtmpfs.mount=0 rw"
[16:42] <yofel> yay, network up after 'ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0 && vi /etc/resolv.conf' ^^
[16:43] <yofel> now to figure out how to create an image >> 1G
[16:43] <yofel> ah -i
[16:44] <yofel> bah
[16:45] <yofel> apt-get install aptitude
[16:45] <yofel> then let's see if dist-upgrading works
[16:46] <yofel> hm, I should script fetching the newest kernel that's out when booting the VM
[16:46] <skfin> Thou shall not use aptitude.
[16:47] <shadeslayer> hmm, i have to figure out how to bridge connections first
[16:48] <yofel> do that, I'll tell you if the image died or not
[16:49] <shadeslayer> i get permission denied when running your command :P
[16:50] <yofel> funny system you have again
[16:50] <yofel> esp. since I'm on natty right now
[16:50] <shadeslayer> running each command seprately works :/
[16:50] <yofel> oh, the network stuff? I did that as root, sorry
[16:51] <shadeslayer> well, i did it as root too
[16:51] <yofel> note: qemu-system-arm is SLOW...
[16:51] <yofel> then again, real ARM wouldn't be faster I guess
[16:54]  * shadeslayer notes that he is very bad with vi
[16:54] <yofel> heh, use nano
[16:54] <shadeslayer> can't, no network access yet :P
[16:54] <shadeslayer> might as well just echo the entire string
[16:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: i see network activity, but when i ping a ip address,  it gives me a 100% packet loss
[17:00] <yofel> here too, qemu doesn't like ping, try apt-get update
[17:00] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[17:00] <shadeslayer> that is some weir shit
[17:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh btw are these changes in real time?
[17:02] <yofel> what changes?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> like the image is getting updated as i update the files in qemu
[17:03] <yofel> sure, that's a mounted filesystem
[17:03] <shadeslayer> ah .. hmm
[17:07] <shadeslayer> i need a better res on this thing
[17:08] <yofel> hm, somehow qemu-system-arm doesn't seem to like -curses :/
[17:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: blank screen?
[17:11] <yofel> yep
[17:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: seems like you can't use more than 256 MB's
[17:19] <shadeslayer> qemu crashes here if i use 512MB's of mem
[17:19] <yofel> lemme try
[17:19] <yofel> crashes badly... ouch
[17:19] <ScottK> debfx: Rejected.
[17:20] <shadeslayer> the output looks like the register map
[17:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: I did not read the reply on the grantlee MIR.
[17:22] <ScottK> apachelogger and Quintasan: On Monday I'll ask cjwatson to re-run the magic packageset script so Quintasan will be able to update the new packages.
[17:22] <Quintasan> ScottK: Awesome
[17:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: O has different kernels - any idea what to use? http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/oneiric/main/installer-armel/current/images/
[17:25] <shadeslayer> afaik that depends on what you want to emulate
[17:25] <yofel> well, 'versatile' is gone
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Please note: rootstock will not automatically give you a kernel package. You will have to include the kernel package you need for your hardware. For instance, for OMAP3 based hardware, you will need to include "--seed linux-image-omap" somewhere in your rootstock command.
[17:27] <shadeslayer> upgrade to oneiric is 40 Megs
[17:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: why do we want the kernel package btw?
[17:28] <yofel> do we want it? I didn't install it
[17:29] <shadeslayer> me neither
[17:29] <shadeslayer> i don't understand what its for anyways, i guess we don't need it since we are only emulating everything
[17:30] <shadeslayer> might just be needed on actual hardware
[17:31] <yofel> well, O boots with old kernel too
[17:35]  * yofel does some rc.local fiddling for network
[17:36] <shadeslayer> uh, you don't need that
[17:36] <yofel> errr right
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: look at the wiki, it has instructions on how to setup the network
[17:37] <yofel> that's for the outside world, the network doesn't start up in the VM on boot
[17:37] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:38] <shadeslayer> will have a look at that after the image is done upgrading to oneiric
[17:39] <ScottK> BTW, looking at New again.
[17:39] <yofel> ok, -curses still doesn't work, but with network now starting at boot I can ssh in 
[17:40] <yofel> yay :)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:41] <yofel> now to find out which O kernel to use
[17:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: wait, how does one ssh into qemu ? i mean, just ssh ubuntu@localhost or sth?
[17:42] <yofel> once you have tap set up the VM will get a real IP from the router
[17:43] <yofel> I already had a setup that I could simply switch to this one :P
[17:43] <shadeslayer> tap?
[17:43] <yofel> the bridget networking
[17:43] <yofel> *bridged
[17:43] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[17:44] <yofel> bah, shutdown -P now doesn't actually close the VM :S
[17:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: i think you might have to install libncurses to get a curses to work in qemu
[17:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is debian/rules for blinken right?  It is rather more sparse than I'm used to seeing.
[17:48] <shadeslayer> s/a\ curses/the\ curses\ option/
[17:48] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "yofel: i think you might have to install libncurses to get the\ curses\ option to work in qemu"
[17:48] <yofel> that sounds resonable actually...
[17:49] <yofel> well, nvm
[17:49] <yofel> WORKS™
[17:49] <shadeslayer> i'm just too lazy to setup bridges on my system right noq
[17:49] <shadeslayer> *now
[17:59] <yofel> hm, seems the O linaro-vexpress kernel is for "ARM Versatile Express for Cortex-A9"
[18:00] <yofel> panicks :(
[18:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: again, why the need to choose a kernel?
[18:00] <yofel> well, true
[18:00] <yofel> nvm then
[18:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw it panics because you use cortex-a8 in the cpu type :P
[18:04] <shadeslayer> so you probably want to change that to cortex-a9 i guess
[18:05] <yofel> nah, switched to cortext-a9, still panicked
[18:07] <shadeslayer> for me, it doesn't even panic, just doesn't boot
[18:08] <yofel> because you forgot to switch -M (machine type)
[18:08] <yofel> anyway, forget it
[18:10] <shadeslayer> oooh
[18:10] <shadeslayer> kernel panic :P
[18:10] <yofel> but nice tux logo :P
[18:10] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[18:10] <shadeslayer> actually wait
[18:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/VpN0d.png
[18:11] <shadeslayer> wrong boot args?
[18:12] <yofel> maybe, no idea (that's what I got too)
[18:13] <shadeslayer> alright, i can make qemu crash now
[18:13]  * shadeslayer pokes around bootargs
[18:13] <shadeslayer> qemu: hardware error: lan9118: Unimplemented MAC register write: 9 = 0x8100
[18:14] <ScottK> argh!
[18:14] <ScottK> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74870725/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.libkdcraw_4%3A4.6.90%2Brepack1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:14] <ScottK> NCommander or apachelogger: Could you look at ^^^.  I don't recall seeing a failure log like that before.
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table :<
[18:24] <yofel> forget it then, the old kernel works fine after all
[18:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: blinken accepted (re: rules - I didn't know that would work ...)
[18:31] <yofel> that's how most of the neon rules files look like too ^^
[18:44] <ScottK> yofel: Would you please have a look at the kalzium build failure on armel.  
[18:45] <yofel> uh, sure, now that I have a VM a CAN try to debug those at least
[19:08] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 1 * (9 files in 3 dirs) push to bzr
[19:09] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 2 * debian/changelog fix changelog
[19:22] <yofel> apachelogger: metapackages ^
[19:25] <NCommander> ScottK: that's a compiler bug, file a bug on gcc-4.6 with the build log and a test case if possible
[19:26] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks.
[19:26] <ScottK> All I have is the build log.
[19:26] <ScottK> NCommander: Any suggestions on text to go with the build log?
[19:26] <NCommander> ScottK: poek your head into #linaro and see if someone can help debug it
[19:26]  * NCommander is still avoiding doing work until I'm off vacation on monday
[19:26] <ScottK> OK.
[19:28] <ScottK> Done.
[19:29] <Quintasan> Did anyone here got tired simon?
[19:30] <yofel> I have no idea what you're talking about...
[19:39] <ScottK> workspace and runtime source and binary are in
[19:42] <ScottK> Nothing waiting in New (source or binary), so bring it on ...
[19:46] <ScottK> Someone should fix the cmake FTBFS, preferable including updating to 2.8.5 final.
[21:30] <ScottK> Quintasan_: cjwatson ran the packageset script and it picked up http://paste.ubuntu.com/640960/.  I need a list of what else needs added.  There are a number of manual exceptions in the packageset: http://paste.ubuntu.com/640963/ anything related to those packages we need to give him a list.
[21:31] <ScottK> Quintasan_: If you can make the list, I'll talk to him about adding it.
[21:47] <yofel> ScottK: what architectures are currently supported? i368 amd64 armel ...? 
[21:47] <yofel> need to exclude armel for kalzium and libcompoundviewer
[21:48] <ScottK> and powerpc
[21:48] <yofel> thanks
[21:48] <ScottK> So you want i386 amd64 powerpc
[22:27]  * yofel wonders if using 2 VMs so both cores are used using icecc would speed things up...
[22:34] <ScottK> Just build with -j2
[22:34] <ScottK> Actually I find that -j#ofCPUs+1 works best.
[22:34] <ScottK> So with a dual core machine, build with -j3.
[22:35] <ScottK> You still need to build -j# for icecc to help, so save yourself the trouble.
[22:35] <yofel> doesn't help if I can only emulate one core in qemu, it errored out with -smp 2
[22:36] <ScottK> Oh.
[22:36] <ScottK> I missed the bit about qemu.
[22:36] <ScottK> Might help then.
[22:36] <yofel> heh
[22:36] <yofel> well, build at 95%
[22:36] <ScottK> 4% left until the point of maximum pain from failure.
[22:37] <yofel> lol
[23:07] <ScottK> Riddell: It might be about time to deactivate https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4
[23:11] <Riddell> ScottK: actually it's time for me to go to sleep but I'll keep it in mind for when I'm awake :)
[23:11] <yofel> ScottK: kalzium fixed in bzr
[23:11] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Have a good night.
[23:11] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[23:11] <yofel> (I hope), it built here at least on armel
[23:26] <ScottK> yofel: Looking at it.
[23:29] <ScottK> yofel: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[23:30] <ScottK> That gets us down to only one failure on 4.6.90 and that's a compiler bug.
[23:40] <ScottK> We need apachelogger, Quintasan_, debfx, or someone to sponsor stuff ...