[00:05] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 177 * debian/ (changelog copyright) Add MIT license for kdepasswd/passwd.h [01:23] shouldn't the ppa for 4.6.5 be qualified more to say kubuntu-ppa/ppa ninstead of just kubuntu-ppa? [01:23] *instead [01:36] IIRC adding just kubuntu-ppa will open up backports, beta, experimental and staging which may not be what you want? [01:52] oh well.. === zkriesse is now known as zkriesse__ === zkriesse_ is now known as zkriesse === zkriesse__ is now known as zkriesse_ [06:27] Good morning [07:12] morning [07:14] bambee: \o [07:15] ScottK: ping [07:15] hey ;) [07:36] Quintasan: first you ask for a vote on licensing, then you complain about copyright, I do not follow [07:37] on a general remark: this is more complicated than you might think [07:37] apachelogger: When did I complain about copyright? [07:37] like saying copyright rests with kubuntu developers [07:37] And it does not? [07:37] which I have seen not only kubuntu developers use [07:37] 2 problems with that [07:38] a) if the person who uses it is not a kubuntu developer there would need to be an explicit copyright assignment [07:38] "I ronald mcdonald assign all might copyrights to the kubuntu-developers ...." [07:38] which directly leads to [07:39] b) kubuntu developers is no legal entity, as such it leads to a bazillion questions regarding excution of rights [07:39] now WRT licensing [07:39] as yofel already said, if you have Files: debian/* then that license applies to everything in there [07:40] including patches, manpages and whatnot [07:42] you licnese gpl3+ but upstream is gpl2, can the patch even be gpl3+ now? [07:43] In short this leads to a licensing PITA [07:44] What's the advantage of debian/* being under the same license as the rest of the source? [07:44] upstream can simply pick patches and include them [07:44] without us ever doing anything [07:45] also it prevents license incompatibility issues (for the better part) [07:46] at any rate, the KC could not force people into licensing or copyrighting anything anyhow [07:50] ScottK: did you by any chance see mterry's reply on grantlee MIR? [07:50] the current package is highly confusing indeed, however I know that unpatched version leads to compile error on ARM (tried that already :D) [07:55] Quintasan: did you upload anything? [07:55] the wiki doesn't look much different [07:55] only kwordquiz and okular [07:56] apachelogger: Mostly because it gets rejected [07:56] some packageset magic as ScottK [07:56] or I misunderstood something [07:57] Quintasan: yep, i know, altho i still have to figure out how to make it work over LAN [07:58] Quintasan: cool [07:59] Quintasan: I do not understand though [07:59] you should be able to upload all new packages [07:59] as they end up in universe and you are motu [07:59] Last time I tried to upload okular it got rejected [07:59] Quintasan: cause it is in main [08:00] okular was uploaded already [08:00] Then I tried retrying kwordquiz build on armel but it turned out I do not have permissions [08:00] that is also in main :P [08:01] Apparently, Kubuntu Developers have access to main [08:02] At least the Kubuntu seed [08:03] morning :) [08:03] Quintasan: the package set, not the seeded packages [08:04] then you'd also be able to upload linux cause that is part of our seeding chain [08:04] shadeslayer: yo [08:04] shadeslayer: is rocs fixed yet? [08:04] apachelogger: yes [08:04] shadeslayer: did you up the new tar to the ppa? [08:04] i fixed it last night, but Quintasan was going to bed so he couldn't upload it [08:05] apachelogger: Then what can I actually do with Kubuntu Developer powers? [08:05] apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/rocs_4.6.90+repack.orig.tar.bz2 [08:05] packaging from bzr [08:05] rocs upstream has also agreed to move all LGPL 2 licensed code to LGPL 2.1 [08:05] shadeslayer: you should add those to the wiki :P [08:05] Quintasan: is workspace uploaded? [08:06] sure [08:06] apachelogger: I just uploaded it [08:06] Quintasan: wiki update please ^^ [08:06] lemme update if first :P [08:06] Quintasan: the package sets aren't updated automatically, once all new kde packages are uploaded we can ask cjwatson to update it [08:07] Oh, I see [08:07] [rocs] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110709080741-34u357dsp3bwekc0 * debian/copyright merge [08:07] yofel: Apparently, kde-l10n-nl tarball was update [08:07] updated* [08:07] oh [08:08] shadeslayer: srsly, get a proper editor :P [08:08] what happened? :P [08:08] He is using emacs [08:08] shadeslayer: you are using emacs? [08:09] yes [08:09] [rocs] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110709080931-71k6uhez11uweqn2 * debian/copyright fix formatting [08:10] wth bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Couldn't resolve host 'xmlrpc.launchpad.net' [Errno -2] Name or service not known [08:10] ah [08:10] dang [08:10] more [08:11] [rocs] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110709081059-g7e6vmihe1magtn6 * debian/copyright more format fixes [08:11] what are you fixing anyways? 0.o [08:11] tabz [08:12] your editor is incapable of ensuring newline at eof and no mixture of tabs and spaces [08:12] are you using notepad.exe? [08:13] lol [08:13] oh noes :/ [08:13] shadeslayer: rocs copyright is still not right [08:13] apachelogger: whats the problem now? [08:13] Real man use vim [08:13] src/Tests/TestDataStructure.cpp [08:13] copyright sez it is GPL3 [08:13] file sez it is GPL3+ [08:14] fooey [08:14] [08:14] Copyright (C) [08:14] you got to be kidding me [08:14] apachelogger: i know [08:14] right [08:14] i did a git blame [08:14] shadeslayer: make a choice [08:14] about? [08:15] a) we reject the package entirely and bash upstream into fixing their shit or b) you fix this stuff [08:15] src/Tests/TestDataStructure.h is also gpl3+ whereas copyright sez GPL3 [08:16] shadeslayer: I recommend you review the copyright file yourself again [08:16] ok [08:16] src/Tests/TestDynamicProperties.cpp is also gpl3+ btw [08:17] shadeslayer: and get the copyright notes fixed [08:17] you choose how [08:17] i'll let upstream know, best if they fix it [08:17] shadeslayer: then reprot a bug not just a mail [08:17] ko [08:17] then they have to deal with it one way or another [08:17] s/ko/ok/ [08:17] shadeslayer meant: "ok" [08:17] apachelogger: Why is kde-runtime still not in archive? [08:18] Quintasan: becuase the other packages have higher priority [08:18] one way or another kde-workspace is in NEW [08:18] yeah, but it does not require that much review as it is mostly just a rename ^^ [08:18] whereas rocs for example is a completely new package with all messed up licensing business [08:19] ah [08:19] * apachelogger will have to go for lunch in a ibt [08:20] Quintasan: it would be great if you could review the new packages I did and comment on them in the wiki [08:20] I do not feel comfortable uploading them without any review [08:20] apachelogger: kde-runtime is missing breaks/replaces nepomukcontroller [08:20] lol [08:20] debfx: not uploaded yet anyway [08:20] http://paste.ubuntu.com/640680/ (note: I have just installed some project-neon packages and after that it does not work anymore) [08:20] o_O [08:21] s/installed/uninstalled/ [08:21] bambee: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [08:21] bambee: you need phonon from git [08:21] kde-buildsystem poked around in the build system making it incompatible to earlier versions [08:21] ahh ok :) [08:22] ScottK: so, I think the best solution for grantlee is to just deactivate tests on armel [08:22] I know, I'll upload it now [08:22] cause I recon the enormous amount of template tests makes gcc fail [08:26] kde bug 277401 [08:26] KDE bug 277401 in general "Rocs licensing is messed up" [Minor,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277401 [08:28] apachelogger: looks like i just need to switch GPL-3 with GPL-3+ .... [08:28] everything is GPL (v3 or later) [08:28] perhaps I only looked at the files I told you about [08:28] a review would be very nice [08:28] oh [08:28] of all files [08:29] and about the oh [08:29] ! [08:29] since dep5 is parsable [08:29] we could build an app to help with reviewing that stuff [08:29] well, yes [08:29] split view, on one side you have the copyright file, on the left you could have the file currently focused [08:30] apachelogger: Where do I get your repacked tarball for blinken? [08:32] apachelogger: I am not sure, but the "PhononBackend" service type is not found into neon [08:32] (I've just installed project-neon-phonon and THAT ALL) [08:32] then when I try dragon [08:32] dragonplayer(11980)/kdecore (trader) KServiceTypeTrader::defaultOffers: KServiceTypeTrader: serviceType "PhononBackend" not found [08:33] (phonon-gst is installed into /opt/project-neon) [08:42] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/rocs] Rohan Garg * 7 * debian/copyright Everything is GPL-3+ [08:42] apachelogger: ^ fixed [08:44] in fact, kbuilsycoca4 fixes the problem ^^ [08:44] (I am an idiot) [08:45] hah :P [08:45] ok gtg and have lunch, cya [08:54] apachelogger: in kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer: raw/parse.c doesn't have a license and debian/copyright doesn't mention Volker Krause [08:55] debfx: I added breaks/replaces on nepomukcontroller [08:55] good morning btw. [08:55] yofel: yes, but only to -data [08:55] good morning [08:55] ah, that was the only conflict I got [08:57] apachelogger: kdegraphics-thumbnailers: debian/copyright doesn't contain the full text of GPL-1 [09:01] Quintasan: kde-l10n-nl tarball on ftpmaster is the same as the one I uploaded, so either he didn't change it or we were so late that we already got the fixed one [09:01] apachelogger: Where do I get your repacked tarball for blinken? [09:01] yofel: Oh, okay [09:03] hm is GPL-1 even compatible with GPL-2? [09:06] hm [09:07] debfx: IIRC parse.c is from libopenraw [09:07] where it also doesn't have a license ^^ [09:09] debfx: apachelogger: kdegraphics-thumbnailers: debian/copyright doesn't contain the full text of GPL-1 [09:09] that I do not understand [09:10] Quintasan: ppa [09:10] Quintasan: if you add deb-src to your sources.list bzr builddeb will actually fetch it automatically [09:16] apachelogger: common-licenses doesn't contain GPL 1 so you need to quote the full license [09:17] but I'm not sure if that file is actually GPL-1 licensed [09:17] do I say GPL-1? [09:17] cause if I do not then it is not [09:18] the file says GPL without a version which is effectively GPL-1 [09:18] there is almost no GPL-1 software as the GPL-1 only was used for like 2 years and the replaced by the much superiror v2 [09:18] debfx: it is effictively any GPL [09:21] well at best the license header is unclear [09:22] as "the GNU General Public License" doesn't exist [09:23] no argument there [09:23] so is the license of application icons for the better part though [09:24] the ghostscript package is also not more descriptive on the matter [09:24] well [09:24] I am off [09:24] o/ [09:25] you could add a link to GPL-2 in debian/copyright [09:26] ScottK: could you please reject kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer, it contains a file without licensing header [09:44] apachelogger: blinken looks good, uploading [09:48] debfx: uh, common-licenses does contain the GPL-1 here [09:49] yofel: you have a /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-1 file? [09:49] ah, debian bug 436105 fixed in oneiric [09:49] Debian bug 436105 in debian-policy "Include GPLv1 in common-licenses" [Wishlist,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/436105 [09:50] so oneiric has it [09:51] ah, nice [09:53] though I wonder if it's enough to include GPL-1 in debian/copyright since it's most likely incompatible with GPL-2 === tazz_ is now known as tazz [11:14] apachelogger: since you wanted me to comment on the wiki then I shall do so [11:27] * Quintasan goes on a break [11:27] bbl === tazz_ is now known as tazz [12:40] just curious, is oneiric going to ship calligra? [12:47] debfx: it is v3 [12:47] KRF: depends if someone gets around to packaging it and everything [12:47] debfx: actual copyright holder of dscparse is artifex [12:47] it is original distributed via ghostscript [12:47] if you take a look at ghostscript's copyright file you will find an entry License: GPL-3+~Artifex [12:47] debfx: heh, i had the same dilema last night, apparently its broken in natty [12:48] debfx: also gpl2 is almost certainly compatible with gpl1 as they ensure the same level of freedom [12:48] gpl2 only adds additional non-US mumbo jumbo untop of what gpl1 provides [12:50] gone again [14:24] hi [14:45] * yofel tries to fix kate [14:46] yofel: need to figure out which all libs are public and which are private [14:46] ah :/ [14:47] the symbol generating part is easy, but the figuring out the public/private lib mess needs time [14:47] stuff in /usr/lib isn't private IMO unless it's in kde4/ [14:47] I'll leave that to you then [14:48] if its not release blocking, i would like to take it up on monday [14:48] not really, just that old kate + new kdelibs is useless in oneiric [15:00] what is the latest kde version ? [15:20] Python: look in kde.org [15:20] Python: you've been told this is a "development" channel, not support [15:23] Python as a nickname doesnt sound a very good. [15:24] ? [15:33] Python: do you understand this is not a support channel ? [15:53] yofel: ahoy [15:55] yofel: did you get any errors when creating a qemu image using rootstock? [15:55] for ARM that is [15:55] because i get this at the end : http://paste.kde.org/93871 [15:55] no idea, was ages ago, got the howto at hand? Then I'll try again [15:56] yofel: just run this : http://paste.kde.org/93877 , but here's the wiki link : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch [15:57] oh [15:57] typoday-- [15:58] yofel: best to add --copy-package-cache to that to save on a bit of bandwidth [16:01] deboostrap running [16:04] lol : W: Bad Bad Qemu, trying second stage one more time (LP #604872) [16:04] Launchpad bug 604872 in qemu-linaro (Ubuntu) "qemu-system-arm segfaults emulating versatile machine after running debootstrap --second-stage inside vm" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604872 [16:05] o.O [16:06] hm, we have no bzr branch for meta-kde [16:06] * yofel creates [16:08] ah, now I'm getting chown errors too :( [16:09] :( [16:09] which is somehow to be expected for /proc ... [16:10] * yofel tries with natty [16:17] seems to be building fine with natty [16:17] shadeslayer: natty VM is running without errors so far (configuring packages now) [16:18] heh ^^ [16:18] yeah [16:19] i guess its that same issue that plagues the pbuilders [16:20] i could probably dist-upgrade it :P [16:20] I'll try that too [16:20] ( dist upgrade the natty qemu ) [16:20] more like, looks like that's the only choice that's left right now [16:21] * yofel creates an image on his server too [16:21] might make more sense thinking of the build times ^^ [16:22] hehe [16:22] I: Done [16:22] now... [16:23] will it blend? :P [16:23] 925524 433M -rw-r--r-- 1 yofel root 1.0G 2011-07-09 18:22 qemu-armel-201107091810.img [16:23] 924118 156K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 155K 2011-07-09 18:08 rootstock-201107091801.log [16:23] 925525 40K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39K 2011-07-09 18:22 rootstock-201107091810.log [16:26] hm, I forgot the kernel :( [16:26] what kernel? [16:27] nvm, didn't read the wiki page properly [16:27] yeah, you don't need the kernel :D [16:29] now... the kernel seems to boot, but that's it :/ [16:29] you don't get to even a tty? [16:30] ah wait, it didn't automatically switch to one [16:30] now I have the login prompt [16:30] \o/ [16:31] shadeslayer: :D http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/qarm.png [16:31] :O [16:32] i'm still stuck at python-minimal here :P [16:32] heh [16:33] * yofel makes a backup of that image NOW [16:33] I: Installing core packages... [16:34] hm, now my keyboard input doesn't work right o.O [16:37] hm, 1GB is a bit small of an image :/ [16:37] yofel: fix config in /etc/default/keyboard to match that of your native system? [16:37] shadeslayer: nah, the keyboard mapping was total chaos suddenly [16:37] weird [16:37] had to reset qemu [16:37] * yofel doesn't have problems with US keyboards [16:38] great, no network :/ [16:39] whut? [16:39] dunno, only lo is up [16:39] didn't it read ports.ubuntu.com sources when the tarball is generated [16:40] funny thing: resolv.conf is set right, just eth0 is down [16:40] yofel: there are instructions on how to bridge connections on the wiki page [16:40] I: Qemu image saved as /home/shadeslayer/qemu-armel-201107092151.img [16:40] shadeslayer: I'll do that later on my server, got a bridge already running there [16:40] yofel: how did you boot the image? [16:41] the command is below on the wiki [16:41] qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel ./vmlinuz -hda qemu-armel-201107091810.img -m 256 -append "root=/dev/sda mem=256M devtmpfs.mount=0 rw" [16:42] yay, network up after 'ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0 && vi /etc/resolv.conf' ^^ [16:43] now to figure out how to create an image >> 1G [16:43] ah -i [16:44] bah [16:45] apt-get install aptitude [16:45] then let's see if dist-upgrading works [16:46] hm, I should script fetching the newest kernel that's out when booting the VM [16:46] Thou shall not use aptitude. [16:47] hmm, i have to figure out how to bridge connections first [16:48] do that, I'll tell you if the image died or not [16:49] i get permission denied when running your command :P [16:50] funny system you have again [16:50] esp. since I'm on natty right now [16:50] running each command seprately works :/ [16:50] oh, the network stuff? I did that as root, sorry [16:51] well, i did it as root too [16:51] note: qemu-system-arm is SLOW... [16:51] then again, real ARM wouldn't be faster I guess [16:54] * shadeslayer notes that he is very bad with vi [16:54] heh, use nano [16:54] can't, no network access yet :P [16:54] might as well just echo the entire string [16:59] yofel: i see network activity, but when i ping a ip address, it gives me a 100% packet loss [17:00] here too, qemu doesn't like ping, try apt-get update [17:00] 0.o [17:00] that is some weir shit [17:02] yofel: oh btw are these changes in real time? [17:02] what changes? [17:02] like the image is getting updated as i update the files in qemu [17:03] sure, that's a mounted filesystem [17:03] ah .. hmm [17:07] i need a better res on this thing [17:08] hm, somehow qemu-system-arm doesn't seem to like -curses :/ [17:11] yofel: blank screen? [17:11] yep [17:19] yofel: seems like you can't use more than 256 MB's [17:19] qemu crashes here if i use 512MB's of mem [17:19] lemme try [17:19] crashes badly... ouch [17:19] debfx: Rejected. [17:20] the output looks like the register map [17:21] apachelogger: I did not read the reply on the grantlee MIR. [17:22] apachelogger and Quintasan: On Monday I'll ask cjwatson to re-run the magic packageset script so Quintasan will be able to update the new packages. [17:22] ScottK: Awesome [17:25] shadeslayer: O has different kernels - any idea what to use? http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/oneiric/main/installer-armel/current/images/ [17:25] afaik that depends on what you want to emulate [17:25] well, 'versatile' is gone [17:26] Please note: rootstock will not automatically give you a kernel package. You will have to include the kernel package you need for your hardware. For instance, for OMAP3 based hardware, you will need to include "--seed linux-image-omap" somewhere in your rootstock command. [17:27] upgrade to oneiric is 40 Megs [17:28] yofel: why do we want the kernel package btw? [17:28] do we want it? I didn't install it [17:29] me neither [17:29] i don't understand what its for anyways, i guess we don't need it since we are only emulating everything [17:30] might just be needed on actual hardware [17:31] well, O boots with old kernel too [17:35] * yofel does some rc.local fiddling for network [17:36] uh, you don't need that [17:36] errr right [17:36] yofel: look at the wiki, it has instructions on how to setup the network [17:37] that's for the outside world, the network doesn't start up in the VM on boot [17:37] oh [17:38] will have a look at that after the image is done upgrading to oneiric [17:39] BTW, looking at New again. [17:39] ok, -curses still doesn't work, but with network now starting at boot I can ssh in [17:40] yay :) [17:40] :D [17:41] now to find out which O kernel to use [17:42] yofel: wait, how does one ssh into qemu ? i mean, just ssh ubuntu@localhost or sth? [17:42] once you have tap set up the VM will get a real IP from the router [17:43] I already had a setup that I could simply switch to this one :P [17:43] tap? [17:43] the bridget networking [17:43] *bridged [17:43] oh ok [17:44] bah, shutdown -P now doesn't actually close the VM :S [17:48] yofel: i think you might have to install libncurses to get a curses to work in qemu [17:48] apachelogger: Is debian/rules for blinken right? It is rather more sparse than I'm used to seeing. [17:48] s/a\ curses/the\ curses\ option/ [17:48] shadeslayer meant: "yofel: i think you might have to install libncurses to get the\ curses\ option to work in qemu" [17:48] that sounds resonable actually... [17:49] well, nvm [17:49] WORKS™ [17:49] i'm just too lazy to setup bridges on my system right noq [17:49] *now [17:59] hm, seems the O linaro-vexpress kernel is for "ARM Versatile Express for Cortex-A9" [18:00] panicks :( [18:00] yofel: again, why the need to choose a kernel? [18:00] well, true [18:00] nvm then [18:04] yofel: btw it panics because you use cortex-a8 in the cpu type :P [18:04] so you probably want to change that to cortex-a9 i guess [18:05] nah, switched to cortext-a9, still panicked [18:07] for me, it doesn't even panic, just doesn't boot [18:08] because you forgot to switch -M (machine type) [18:08]