[00:37] <penguin42> weird; 'debsums: invalid package name 'binutils' '
[01:01] <Scribbled2x> qin - sorry about that - didn't think that error was version specific
[01:07] <Scribbled2x> Hi - know you all are busy -  http://pastebin.com/tGHKkiNV  < what all does that mean  -- wow they were just coming out with Locale when I stopped using Linux the first time
[01:07] <Scribbled2x> I have since run a couple of different commands trying to reconfigure the locale for en_US:en but they are producing exactly the same results
[07:32] <trijntje_oneiric> Hi all, I just installed alpha2 but I can't upgrade because that would remove ubuntu-desktop, which is on some kind of blacklist. Does anyone know how I can upgrade?
[07:49] <tsimpson> it's probably just broken while new packages come in and others are updated, welcome to alpha software
[08:11] <alex_mayorga> any use to file another "metacity crashed with SIGABRT in raise()"?
[11:33]  * penguin42 decides to attack unity-panel-service with gdb
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[11:54] <penguin42> don't suppose you happen to know glib stuff do you BK?
[11:55] <BluesKaj> glibs ? only that they're the gtk /gnome libraries
[11:56] <penguin42> nod, I'm trying to fix in indicator-datetime that's annoying me
[11:56] <BluesKaj> and if you certain glibs missing then there's trouble
[11:56] <BluesKaj> have
[11:57] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Do you have a file called /etc/timezone ?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> yeah , it has the proper setting ,America/Torornto
[11:59] <penguin42> I don't seem to have one - is your box an upgrade or a fresh install?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> penguin42, hang I think I have a command for setting that
[12:01] <BluesKaj> penguin42, sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[12:02] <penguin42> will look at that in a minute; first I want to see if I can get indicator-datetime to crash less when it's missing
[12:02] <BluesKaj> mine's an upgrade btw
[12:03]  * penguin42 wonders why I don't have one
[13:30] <penguin42> right, with that fixed I have a working Unity again
[13:33] <BluesKaj> using nano is a pita , even notepad doesn't work
[13:33] <penguin42> ?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> kateis broken i kde
[13:33] <BluesKaj> in
[13:33] <penguin42> ah
[13:34] <BluesKaj> so's this damn KB
[13:34]  * penguin42 hands BluesKaj vi
[13:34] <BluesKaj> don't need vi , either , both cli apps
[14:24] <astraljava> BluesKaj: I don't understand how nano can be a PITA. It's the world's most intuitive editor. Very limited functionality, yes, but still.
[14:25] <astraljava> BluesKaj: Ahhh... so you're not a fan of CLI? That explains it.
[14:26] <BluesKaj> oh I am ,but I prefer kate for some functions like accessing text
[14:26]  * yofel checks what kate is stuck on
[14:27] <yofel> bah, symbols file inconsistency
[14:29] <BluesKaj> well yofel, thanks for small mercies, cuz my other box lacks dolphin access
[14:31] <BluesKaj> I read the motd , but toolate :(
[14:31] <yofel> heh
[14:44] <balachmar> Hi, I just wanted to test drive ubuntu+1 using virtual box, but I cannot get through the installer. It won't let me type anything into the text boxes...
[14:45] <apshack> hi every one ok,ok,i need a software for total security anonimizer under ubuntu .any ideas?
[14:45] <apshack> cypher ,tunneling etc..
[14:45] <balachmar> apshack: I think you should ask that in #ubuntu
[14:45] <apshack> yes
[14:45] <balachmar> This channel is for the development version of ubuntu
[14:46] <apshack> why?
[14:46] <balachmar> that is what the +1 in this channel name means
[14:46] <oCean> apshack: you are using 11.10 right
[14:46] <apshack> yes i am work with it
[14:46] <Kurdistan> Hey guys and girls how is 11.10 going?
[14:46] <balachmar> ooh, then never mind :)
[14:47] <Kurdistan> the most important how is unity doing?
[14:47] <Kurdistan> stil memory and cpu hungry?
[14:47] <balachmar> however, I think if it isn't specific for the development version, then maybe you can get better results in #ubuntu
[14:47] <apshack> unity have problems with gnome integration
[14:48] <Kurdistan> it is not much time left also to lts. so I hope we can get rock solid distro.
[14:48] <Kurdistan> like lucid was and are.
[14:49] <Kurdistan> boot time must reduce
[14:49] <apshack> lucid is primitive
[14:49] <balachmar> Kudistan: Lucid was an LTS.
[14:50] <Kurdistan> yes so will 12.04
[14:51] <balachmar> that is a little less than a year from now.
[14:51] <balachmar> Much can happen in 6 months
[14:51] <Kurdistan> balachmar, I hope for the better.
[14:51] <Kurdistan> natty have got a lot of hate reviews.
[14:52] <balachmar> yeah I know, but I must admit I kinda like unity already
[14:52] <balachmar> people will hate gnome for switching to 3 as well I guess
[14:53] <Kurdistan> balachmar, true, there will always be haters.
[14:54] <apshack> the best OS is Ubuntu server is most potent
[14:54] <balachmar> And from what I have read, Unity currently is better than Gnome3. However, who knows what will happen in the future
[14:55] <balachmar> However, does anybody here know why I cannot type in my virtual box installation? (I can't install because I cannot create a user) I am using test drive by the way
[14:55] <Daekdroom> The reviews I read about Unity were mostly "can improve a lot"
[14:56] <balachmar> I want to help out squashing bite size bugs, but first need to get something as a development environment.
[14:57] <penguin42> balachmar: There are a few bugs of keyboard/mouse not working
[14:57] <apshack> the future is faster boot,solid OS,and super segurity
[14:57] <penguin42> balachmar: It doesn't work in X for me in my KVM setup - it works ok in console
[14:57] <balachmar> penguin42: any work arounds? or links to bug reports?
[14:58] <balachmar> That is annoying, I wasn't really planning on going dual boot...
[14:58] <penguin42> balachmar: Mine is bug 807306 and there is also bug 807291 that may or may not be related
[14:58] <penguin42> no known workarounds yet
[14:59]  * penguin42 must try some more of the suggestions later
[15:02] <balachmar> penguin42 thanks
[16:14] <gintonic> Is it still an option to switch to "Ubuntu classic" in Oneiric?
[16:15] <elros> gintonic: gnome 2 is phasing out in oneiric
[16:17] <elros> a close alternative to gnome 2 in oneiric is xfce
[16:18] <gintonic> Thanks
[16:18]  * penguin42 wonders what the xfce guys will do - I think it uses a lot of the gnome libraries
[16:19]  * yofel would think charlie-tca knows more
[16:19] <elros> yup, they have evince / file-roller among others as apps
[16:19] <yofel> but you're right...
[16:20] <elros> an easy way to install it is xubuntu-desktop w/ or w/o recommends
[16:20] <elros> and more support is found at #xubuntu
[16:33] <Daekdroom> Classic Gnome is still available in the repos
[16:33] <Daekdroom> But Gnome Panel is no longer customizable.
[16:33] <Daekdroom> It tries to mimic GNOME Shell.
[16:41] <robin0800> Daekdroom, that is presumably because it gnome 3 and not 2x
[16:48] <bjsnider> but no one has to use gnome classic anymore. they can use gnome 3 now
[16:49] <bjsnider> so there's no problem
[16:58] <Daekdroom> There are people that like neither Gnome Shell or Unity.
[16:59] <penguin42> me
[16:59]  * penguin42 actually likes gnome3 less than unity
[18:33] <bjsnider> i don't see that "like" has anything to do with it
[18:33] <bjsnider> gnome 3 is dead
[18:33] <yofel> ^^
[18:33] <bjsnider> gnome 2 is dead i mean
[18:33] <bjsnider> you must choose between available products, not fictional ones
[18:34] <penguin42> bjsnider: Hence I switched to KDE4 on my main machine
[18:35] <bjsnider> well, that's at least a product that exists, not a piece of fiction
[18:35] <bjsnider> it's not a good product, but it does exist
[21:22] <elros> kde 3.5 was a good product, and now it's dead
[21:23] <elros> if you want something similar, check gnome 2.32 or xfce, or migrate to kde 4 with all its changes
[22:01] <alex_mayorga> "You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs:
[22:01] <alex_mayorga> unity-services"
[22:01] <alex_mayorga> how?
[22:02] <yofel> apt-get ?
[22:02] <yofel> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade