[03:30] <paultag> cjohnston: yo bro, ping
[17:02] <cjohnston> paultag: pong
[18:15] <mhall119> AlanBell: make sure you update your clickable maps, the world has a new country today.  Congrats to South Sudan!
[18:49] <AlanBell> yes indeed, I had made a note to get that right
[21:46] <czajkowski> c
[21:46] <czajkowski> soooooooooo full
[22:16] <JanC> I wonder how de facto (but for political reasons unrecognized) countries are handled...?
[22:17] <JanC> (e.g. Somaliland)
[22:41] <doctormo> JanC: Or Palistine?
[22:44] <topyli> this is why they removed flags from the gnome keyboard layout applet
[22:44] <topyli> _)
[22:44] <topyli> and .)
[22:44] <topyli> bah
[22:45] <JanC> flags were never useful for indicating keyboards  ;)
[22:46] <JanC> e.g. there exists no "latin america" flag  ;)
[22:47] <topyli> i insist on calling my keyboard layout 'finnish'. who cares if it's the same as the swedish one and originally developed for them! :)
[22:49] <JanC> I hope they use a hardlink or symlink then, I don't want to waste disk space on such follies!  ;-)
[22:52] <AlanBell> I used flags for languages in an application once
[22:52] <AlanBell> seemed like a good idea at first
[22:57] <topyli> i never looked at this properly, but i think red hat basically found it difficult to sell licenses to china when their software included the taiwanese flag (and other similar problems)
[22:57] <topyli> (in other countries)
[22:58] <AlanBell> I had UK, France, Germany and Japan and they loved their flags
[22:58] <AlanBell> then Spain, so added that flag
[22:58] <AlanBell> then it went to Dallas
[22:58] <AlanBell> where they speak Spanish
[22:59] <topyli> oh yes i see your problem :)
[22:59] <AlanBell> but the Mexicans didn't like the Spanish flag, so I changed it
[22:59] <AlanBell> that nearly caused a riot
[23:00] <AlanBell> factory stopped, whole floor meeting, big discussion of the way forward. Puerto Ricans and other South Americans *really* not happy about the mexican flag
[23:01] <AlanBell> final decision, "please revert to the flag of Spain"
[23:01] <topyli> but you never removed flags? :)
[23:02] <AlanBell> no, but I never put them in again either :)
[23:02] <topyli> right :)
[23:03] <JanC> not to mention what to do with minority languages that have no single country associated with them ;)
[23:04] <topyli> it's awkward to put the indian flag on hindi even
[23:05] <AlanBell> at the time 日本語 didn't render well on the European desktops
[23:07] <topyli> JanC: we also have a dilemma in the irc space about channels like #ubuntu-es
[23:08] <topyli> it's much like #ubuntu itself, just spanish. but it's not really associated strongly with the spanish loco afaik
[23:08] <JanC> for support that makes sense
[23:09] <topyli> normally, we'd let locos take care of those, but -es is a pretty broad space
[23:10] <topyli> i think the spanish loco is actually minding it now
[23:10] <JanC> in case of -fr & -nl the French & Dutch locos run it, but get help from (people of) other locos that use those languages
[23:11] <JanC> so I'm a member of both ubuntu-be & ubuntu-nl  ;)
[23:12] <topyli> yeah. fortunately the big languages often have a connection to a big country with a strong loco
[23:17] <topyli> btw i didn't mention -es as if it were a problem, just connected to the flag issue :)