[00:07] <bazhang> any clue what kierge just asked?
[00:09] <bazhang> set permissions without sudo. sounds like thats not going to happen
[00:09] <bazhang> Arch_NME, hi
[00:09] <Arch_NME> sup
[00:09] <bazhang> Arch_NME, how can we help you today
[00:10] <Arch_NME> lol, guess
[00:10] <Arch_NME> or wait you probably don't remember me sorry
[00:10] <Arch_NME> I forgot I was going under another nick the other day
[00:11] <Arch_NME> anyway, I'd just like to be unbanned from the main #ubuntu channel
[00:11] <bazhang> what nick
[00:11] <Arch_NME> just doug I think
[00:12] <Arch_NME> banned for asking about new zealand, that guy, that's me
[00:12] <Arch_NME> remember?
[00:12] <bazhang> yes
[00:13] <bazhang> then went off in the -offtopic channel, right?
[00:13] <Arch_NME> I don't know about went off
[00:13] <Arch_NME> but yeah I hung around there and was a dick to people for a while
[00:13] <bazhang> that would be what I meant
[00:14] <Arch_NME> anyway...
[00:14] <Arch_NME> yeah, I was told 48 hours
[00:14] <Arch_NME> so...
[00:14] <bazhang> Arch_NME, never saw any support issues from you , what's the need to get back into #ubuntu
[00:15] <bazhang> you were just asking about NZ the whole time, and giving people a hard time
[00:15] <Arch_NME> jsut for asking support questions
[00:15] <rww> Wait, when did you get banned?
[00:15] <Arch_NME> idk, a while back like two or three weeks ago
[00:15] <rww> oh, okay. never mind :)
[00:15]  * rww thought you meant a couple of days ago and was confused
[00:16] <Arch_NME> no I asked to be unbanned a couple of days ago
[00:16] <Arch_NME> and was told by idleone wait 48 more hours
[00:17] <Arch_NME> bazhang, you not sastisfied with that answer would you like the specific question I have on my mind to day
[00:17] <Arch_NME> ?
[00:18] <bazhang> Arch_NME, I just recall when you first came here to be unbanned you were quite abrasive, then when refused, went to -ot channel and continued til a multitude of people had to warn you to stop. How can we be certain you wont immediately start that if allowed back into #ubuntu ?
[00:19] <Arch_NME> bazhang, umm, if I do you can jsut ban me again you know, the channel is moderated and it's only a mouse click away
[00:19] <Arch_NME> bazhang, I would remind you that I was banned for a relatively minor offensive originally
[00:20] <Arch_NME> it's not like I was going in the channel trolling or being an asshole
[00:20] <Arch_NME> I asked a simple question that was off topic
[00:20] <Arch_NME> then I did it again after beign warned not to
[00:20] <bazhang> Arch_NME, thats not what the logs say.
[00:21] <Arch_NME> yes it is
[00:21] <Arch_NME> that's eactly what the log says we have been over this whole thing
[00:21] <bazhang> Arch_NME, okay. well not comfortable with unbanning you at this point in time.
[00:21] <Arch_NME> you said jsut wait 48 hours
[00:21] <Arch_NME> wtf?
[00:21] <bazhang> yep. and then come back here to discuss.
[00:22] <Arch_NME> why are you being like this isn't it a little much
[00:22] <bazhang> !guidelines | Arch_NME please have a read again
[00:22] <Arch_NME> I already read it
[00:22] <bazhang> !coc | Arch_NME and this too please
[00:22] <Arch_NME> what do you think I don't know?
[00:23] <Arch_NME> well?
[00:23] <bazhang> Arch_NME, your current attitude does not lend much confidence that you would be amenable to moderation in the main channel.
[00:23] <Arch_NME> you reap what you sow
[00:23] <bazhang> ?
[00:23] <Arch_NME> I came in here and nicely asked to be unbanned
[00:24] <Arch_NME> you refused
[00:24] <Arch_NME> you expect me to be nice to you after that?
[00:24] <bazhang> Arch_NME, if there is nothing else at this time, please part the channel
[00:24] <Arch_NME> nothign else?
[00:24] <Arch_NME> excuse me?
[00:25] <bazhang> Arch_NME, let me be 100% clear
[00:25] <Arch_NME> why are you cutting me off in th middle of a conversasion
[00:25] <bazhang> Arch_NME, you will NOT be unbanned at this time.
[00:25] <Arch_NME> that would be nice
[00:25] <Arch_NME> and the reason being?
[00:26] <bazhang> as such, there is really nothing left to discuss.
[00:26] <Arch_NME> I have not groveled enough?
[00:26] <Arch_NME> yes, I need to know what to do to sastisfy you master
[00:26] <bazhang> as per the /topic please don't idle here. thanks very much.
[00:26] <Arch_NME> I'm not idling I'm discyussing an issue
[00:26] <Arch_NME> you like an immatturechild seem to jsut want to refuse to talk about it
[00:27] <bazhang> Arch_NME, what is left to say. Please tell me.
[00:27] <Arch_NME> I jsut did
[00:27] <Arch_NME> what do you need to be sastified?
[00:27] <Arch_NME> satisfied*
[00:27] <bazhang> someone who does not immediately start calling names and making threats would be a good start.
[00:28] <Arch_NME> threats?
[00:28] <bazhang> there is no unban *on demand*
[00:28] <Arch_NME> what ability to I have to threaten you let alone even make a threat
[00:28] <bazhang> you reap what you sow seemed threatening.
[00:29] <Arch_NME> that was an answer to your question you asked just before
[00:29] <Arch_NME> it might that people were rude to me and I was rude back
[00:29] <Arch_NME> sorry if that confused you but it was not a threat
[00:29] <bazhang> Arch_NME, please. this is not a debate. You will not be unbanned at this point in time.
[00:29] <Arch_NME> understood?
[00:30] <bazhang> yes, that's fine.
[00:30] <Arch_NME> so it's not an automatic ask to be unbanned channel
[00:30] <Arch_NME> and it's not a debate
[00:30] <Arch_NME> hwo are things supposed to work exactly because I'm confused
[00:31] <bazhang> Arch_NME, we ask people to discuss why they were banned before removal of said bans.
[00:31] <Arch_NME> okay... and is that not what we are doing here?
[00:32] <bazhang> it's a very large channel, and moderating it so everyone can use this shared resource is of paramount concern.
[00:32] <Arch_NME> ok
[00:32] <bazhang> as such, making sure people understand the channel guidelines is a very big issue.
[00:32] <Arch_NME> if someone else hasan issue at this time I'll step saide until later
[00:33] <Arch_NME> what do you think I don't understand about the general guidelines?
[00:33] <bazhang> why you were banned, first of all.
[00:33] <Arch_NME> Iknow exactly was I was banned
[00:34] <Arch_NME> why*
[00:34] <bazhang> for repeatedly ignoring others asking you to stay on topic.
[00:34] <Arch_NME> I'm not phrasing a certain way to make you policies sound ridiculous
[00:34] <Arch_NME> yes
[00:34] <Arch_NME> that's correct
[00:34] <Arch_NME> why would you think I didn't know that
[00:35] <bazhang> when that became an issue, ie, you became unpleasant to them, you were removed and banned.
[00:35] <bazhang> #ubuntu-nz is where you would find people from New Zealand.
[00:36] <Arch_NME> as we discussed the other day I went there and it was empty at the time
[00:36] <Arch_NME> also as we discussed the other day I don't care anymore about finding anyone from NZ
[00:36] <bazhang> there are 18 users there currently
[00:37] <Arch_NME> also, as we discussed the other day and today I realize that the channel is jsut for ubuntu support realted question ONLY
[00:37] <bazhang> so #ubuntu-offtopic or use alis to search for -nz channels
[00:37] <Arch_NME> as I stated I'm not concerned with new zealand or that channel at thistimeand I know how to search but thatnk you for trying to be helpful
[00:38] <bazhang> np
[00:38] <Arch_NME> but we are getting off the current topic
[00:38] <bazhang> indeed
[00:39] <bazhang> if you are only just realizing *today* that #ubuntu is support only, I suggest you re-read the code of conduct and guidelines yet again.
[00:39] <Arch_NME> anyway... so you understand that I understand the first point about only asking ubuntu support related question yes?
[00:39] <Arch_NME> I am not only jsut realizing that today I knew that all along
[00:39] <Arch_NME> I knew it before I made the offense
[00:40] <Arch_NME> I knew it whenI came it here and said that what I had done wrong and when I came in here today and said it again
[00:40] <Arch_NME> is that the issue that you honestly think I don't know that?
[00:41] <bazhang> Arch_NME, well, the issue is unchanged. you wont be unbanned at this point in time.
[00:41] <Arch_NME> unchanged from what?
[00:41] <Arch_NME> and whywon't I be unbanned at this time?
[00:41] <bazhang> from what was said some 20 minutes ago. about not being unbanned
[00:42] <Arch_NME> are there reasons behind your decision?
[00:42] <bazhang> that has been made amply clear, I won't rehash it.
[00:42] <Arch_NME> so that's a eys there are reasons
[00:42] <Arch_NME> you state you reason is I don't know why I was banned
[00:43] <IdleOne> We believe you when you say you know the rules and that you understand why you were banned. The issue is we don't believe you care or that you will follow the rules. IMO
[00:43] <bazhang> Arch_NME, the discussion has come to an end. you were repeatedly offtopic and unpleasant to those asking you to stop in #ubuntu .
[00:43] <Arch_NME> IdleOne, now what makes you say that?
[00:43] <bazhang> IdleOne, I got this
[00:43] <IdleOne> sure thing.
[00:44] <Arch_NME> okay and so I'm banned forever then bazhang?
[00:44] <bazhang> Arch_NME, there are rarely perma-bans.
[00:44] <Arch_NME> cus jsut say so and I'll stop bothering
[00:44] <Arch_NME> will is this one or is it not?
[00:44] <bazhang> Arch_NME, just to give a hint, bit of advice, if you are so amenable
[00:45] <Arch_NME> hint?
[00:45] <Arch_NME> are we playign a game?
[00:45] <bazhang> how to proceed in future
[00:45] <Arch_NME> that is the direct question I asked you
[00:45] <Arch_NME> so yes, I'm interested int he answer
[00:45] <bazhang> nope, no game. just a bit of advice if you wish to hear it.
[00:46] <Arch_NME> yeah, go ahead
[00:48] <Arch_NME> well?
[00:48] <bazhang> #ubuntu is a shared resource.
[00:48] <bazhang> being on topic is of paramount importance, thus the existence of the offtopic channel
[00:48] <Arch_NME> I actually do understand that
[00:49] <bazhang> thats good.
[00:49] <Arch_NME> it's a very busy channel and is barely legible when it's on topic
[00:49] <bazhang> indeed.
[00:49] <Arch_NME> I've stated that I understand this
[00:49] <bazhang> and being helpful and pleasant to others is of significant importance as well.
[00:50] <Arch_NME> I've also stated that I will not get off topic in the future
[00:50] <Arch_NME> I'm normally very helpful and pleasant
[00:50] <bazhang> Arch_NME, just a moment please
[00:51] <bazhang> os2mac, hi
[00:51] <Arch_NME> anyway... as I stated before you know it's petty easy to just ban me again
[00:52] <Arch_NME> a few mouse clicks should the need arise
[00:52] <bazhang> lets revisit this again in 24 hours.
[00:52] <Arch_NME> we've drug this discussion about this incident out over several hours on two seperate days
[00:52] <Arch_NME> isn't enough enoguh
[00:53] <Arch_NME> why?
[00:53] <bazhang> so please rejoin in 24 hours time, and we can go forward from there.
[00:53] <Arch_NME> what will be different in 24 hours time
[00:53] <Arch_NME> will you have put me in my place by then
[00:54] <Arch_NME> will I have learned to bow and grovel properly before you mighty one
[00:54] <Arch_NME> please
[00:54] <Arch_NME> lets not make this a personal thing
[00:54] <Arch_NME> sorry for breaking the rules I'll follow them in the future
[00:54] <Arch_NME> if I don't it's hardly a chore to rememdy the situation
[00:55] <Arch_NME> again it's not like I came in purposefully trolling or making trouble
[00:55] <Arch_NME> just asked an offtopic question as I was desperateat the time to talk to someone from NZ
[00:55] <bazhang> Arch_NME, then waiting for 24 hours is not a big issue.
[00:55] <Arch_NME> which I do understand is bad
[00:55] <Arch_NME> as I have said
[00:56] <Arch_NME> what will 24 hours bring though?
[00:56] <Arch_NME> really?
[00:56] <bazhang> depends on you.
[00:56] <Arch_NME> are we going to go through this whole charade again
[00:56] <Arch_NME> I'm not going to change
[00:56] <Arch_NME> I promise you
[00:56] <bazhang> hopefully not.
[00:56] <Arch_NME> I don't think I'm being such an unreasonable person right nwo though
[00:56] <knome> i don't think bazhang is being unreasonable either
[00:57] <Arch_NME> not totally no
[00:57] <Arch_NME> but somewhat yes
[00:57] <bazhang> Arch_NME, well, there is really nothing else to say at this time. please re-visit in 24 hrs time
[00:57] <knome> please stop the senseless debate please
[00:57] <Arch_NME> it won't be anymore sensible tommrow
[00:57] <Arch_NME> lets jstu get it over with for good now
[00:58] <bazhang> Arch_NME, please part the channel.
[00:58] <Arch_NME> makea decision one way or the other
[00:58] <Arch_NME> banned forever or unban now
[00:58] <Arch_NME> is that so much to ask
[00:58] <Arch_NME> I'd like to to make a decision first please
[00:59] <Arch_NME> I'll take it fine and go either way
[00:59] <Arch_NME> no hard feelings
[01:00] <bazhang> Arch_NME, not at this time.
[01:00] <Arch_NME> just stop the games though and say one way or the other so this can be done with
[01:00] <Arch_NME> that's very immature of you bazhang, really
[01:00] <Arch_NME> there is no need to make this personal
[01:00] <knome> Arch_NME, please leave the channel
[01:00] <Arch_NME> and put you ego into it
[01:01] <Arch_NME> banned forever then is that you final answer?
[01:01] <knome> IdleOne, thanks
[01:02] <bazhang> thanks IdleOne
[01:02] <IdleOne> don't thank me. I was hoping he would get the clue and part instead he insisted on digging deeper
[01:03] <knome> bazhang, and sorry for interrupting :)
[01:03] <bazhang> knome, I appreciate the help :)
[01:03] <knome> np :)
[01:04] <knome> when the discussion starts to be in the hour scale and it's pretty much yes-no-yes-no, it's become way too far already...
[01:04] <bazhang> knome, you know about -ops-team channel , right?
[01:05] <knome> bazhang, ermm, i suppose i do. i'm op in #xubuntu and #xubuntu-devel only, though
[01:05] <bazhang> knome, heh ok
[01:06] <knome> just chiming in the discussions only when it starts to be totally senseless/not leading anywhere
[01:06] <knome> if that's discouraged, i might as well stop that :)
[01:35] <bazhang> unity can be uninstalled?
[01:36] <rww> yes, if you're okay with removing ubuntu-desktop metapackage (see also !ubuntu-desktop)
[01:39] <bazhang> * [ParadigmUltra] (~kvirc@6532216hfc242.tampabay.res.rr.com): Paradigm
[01:39] <bazhang> terminal_ perhaps?
[01:40] <rww> how are they linked?
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[01:41] <rww> oh, they're both silly people with keyboard "issues"
[01:41] <bazhang> which went away immediately
[01:41]  * rww shrugs
[01:41] <IdleOne> is it bad I can read that?
[01:41] <rww> no, I can too
[04:45] <ladder99> chanserv i have a problem
[04:46] <rww> ladder99: hello. I take it you're hear about your inability to talk in #ubuntu?
[04:46] <rww> wow. here **
[04:46] <ladder99> yes
[04:46] <ladder99> rww
[04:47] <ladder99> i am new to linux know a little unix
[04:47] <rww> alrighty. one second and I'll look into it and see what's going on
[04:47] <ladder99> i did nothing wrong i believe
[04:48] <ladder99> i am here to explore and learn
[04:50] <rww> Alrighty. It appears that you were quieted because you were talking about things in #ubuntu that aren't on-topic for there.
[04:50] <ladder99> so i am banned
[04:50] <rww> #ubuntu is for Ubuntu technical support and nothing else, and we enforce that rule rather strictly because so many people need technical support and things get confusing otherwise. Does that make sense?
[04:51] <ladder99> for trying to learn and be friendly
[04:51] <rww> You're quieted, but I'm going to let you talk again if you're okay with what I'm saying.
[04:51] <ladder99> im trying to translate unix into linux
[04:52] <ladder99> i have found the forum helpful
[04:52] <rww> ladder99: Please work with me here. #ubuntu is strictly for Ubuntu technical support. If you're okay with only using it for Ubuntu technical support, I will remove your block in there.
[04:53] <ladder99> i will look at the protocol and conduct myself accordingly
[04:53] <ladder99> thank you
[04:54] <rww> !guidelines
[04:54] <rww> There's the link, in case you don't already have it. I'll remove the quiet now; please be aware that if you start talking about things other than Ubuntu technical support again, it will be reapplied.
[04:55] <ladder99> im just a novice sorry
[04:55] <rww> We've all been there, and I know #ubuntu and our rules can be a bit confusing and overwhelming :)
[04:56] <ladder99> well hope to make friends and discuss linux a great opeating system
[04:56] <rww> #ubuntu-offtopic may be a good place for that. It's for chit chat instead of support :)
[04:56] <ladder99> i will try to take chit chat to PM
[04:56] <ladder99> sorry
[04:56] <rww> Anyways, you should be able to talk again in #ubuntu. Please only use it for Ubuntu technical support, and feel free to come back here if you have any questions.
[04:57] <rww> questions about channel rules **
[04:57] <ladder99> that made me feel like dirt
[04:57] <ladder99> being muted
[04:58] <rww> As I understand it, bazhang attempted to contact you about it in PM at the time. It's unfortunate that it couldn't be sorted out at the time.
[04:58] <rww> We don't like setting mutes either, to be honest. Much better to just get things back on track :)
[05:05] <ladder99> rww how do ignore the sign on and quit
[05:05] <rww> ladder99: you're on xchat?
[05:06] <ladder99> #ubuntu
[05:06] <rww> !quietxchat
[05:06] <ladder99> do this in terminal
[05:06] <ladder99> ??
[05:06] <rww> no, do it in the box you're typing in right now :)
[05:08] <ladder99> no i see right click on the group
[05:11] <ladder99> rww how long have you been studying linux
[05:11] <rww> ladder99: over a decade
[05:12] <ladder99> according to the code of conduct do i PM you
[05:12] <rww> No thanks. I don't do PM very often :(
[05:12] <ladder99> i have questions about the firewall
[05:13] <rww> I don't do support in PM, sorry.
[05:13] <ladder99> and how backslash and piping translate from unix
[05:16] <ladder99> okay nevermind just trying to learn
[06:23] <rww> PMing user about this ^
[06:26] <aabbccdwe>  Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned)
[06:27] <Flannel> aabbccdwe: Let me take a look.
[06:29] <Flannel> Alright, aabbccdwe, please try joining again.
[06:31] <aabbccdwe> what is Special in this channel?
[06:31] <Flannel> aabbccdwe: in which channel?
[06:31] <aabbccdwe> ubuntu-offtopic
[06:32] <Flannel> #ubuntu is for support, #ubuntu-offtopic is for chatting
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[08:48] <tsimpson> I guess so
[10:10] <ikonia> oCean: bought a laptop from the source goodwill ?
[10:10] <oCean> how could he know this? hehe
[10:11] <ikonia> what is the source goodwill ?
[10:12] <oCean> I think he means goodwill retail (charity)
[10:12] <ikonia> ahhhhhh
[10:13] <oCean> goods (sometimes 2nd hand etc) are donated to goodwill, then sold for a small price
[10:13] <ikonia> yeah, that makes sense
[10:17] <bazhang> perhaps time to reinstate : this is not a support channel in -ot topic
[12:40] <ikonia> people have stupid /part messages
[12:40] <ikonia> what idiot really thinks that
[12:40] <ikonia> Windows is just a more buggy version of Mac OS X]
[13:17] <gartral> i have a suggestion for floodbot: add a 10~second wait between the flood warning and a kick, that way users can actually read the warning before they get dropped, as an example ubuntufreak21 just got kicked for flooding, but probably didn't have a chance too read the warning... some IRC apps tend too close the channel on a kick/ban
[13:18] <gartral> and perhaps PM the offending user instead of posting in channel, that way it's there for a while and can "sink in"
[13:19] <ikonia> he wasn't kicked
[13:19] <ikonia> he was just muted
[13:20] <gartral> ahh, i was under the impression that floodbots kick a flooding user
[13:20] <ikonia> no
[13:21] <ikonia> just muted
[13:21] <gartral> i see
[13:21] <ikonia> hello os2mac
[13:21] <gartral> ok, well thank you for clearing that up
[13:21] <ikonia> gartral: no sweat
[13:23] <ikonia> os2mac: hello ?
[13:24] <os2mac> sorry... I need to delete this room from my auto start menu... I don't have an issue
[13:24] <ikonia> no problem
[13:45] <ikonia> LjL: I didn't see the language, thank you
[13:47] <oCean> ikonia: the mount -o only uses comma separated list of options
[13:47] <ikonia> what did I tell him to do
[13:47] <ikonia> I'll last it
[13:47] <ikonia> ahh, a space
[15:47] <ikonia> people want / ask such silly things
[15:48] <ikonia> they have no idea why they want to do things, but want to do them
[15:56] <ikonia> oCean: ban him
[15:56] <ikonia> kline him
[15:56] <oCean> hehe
[15:56] <ikonia> execute him
[15:56] <oCean> we should
[15:57] <oCean> unbelievable
[15:57] <ikonia> something terrible needs to happen
[16:01] <oCean> ikonia: come on, tell him about awk
[16:01] <oCean> all of its possibilities
[16:01] <ikonia> ooh, ok, I'll start a fire
[16:42] <rww> bazhang: #ubuntu-offtopic's /topic already states that it isn't a support channel.
[16:43] <ikonia> hello rcmaehl
[16:43] <rcmaehl> Forgot this channel existed
[16:43] <ikonia> oh, well, how can we help ?
[16:44] <rcmaehl> I just came here to see if that person would try to appeal his ban.
[16:44] <ikonia> well, it's not a side show, so we don't really allow people to watch discussions like that
[16:44] <rcmaehl> ok
[16:44] <rcmaehl> I'll leave
[16:44] <ikonia> no problem
[16:45] <ikonia> that's just a red rag
[17:05] <Myrtti> besides
[17:05] <Myrtti> WHICH BAN
[17:05] <Myrtti> oh that
[19:04] <ikonia> I'm out for the night the channel is filled with people who can't follow instructions
[19:04] <ikonia> or don't want to but want to keep moaning that it doesn't ork
[19:18] <oCean> seems to be a trend, lately
[19:24] <Flannel> I say we just +m the channel and go on vacation for a week.
[21:28] <guntbert> hi, is blackbuntu supported?
[21:28]  * guntbert doubts it
[21:29] <h00k> pretty sure probably not
[21:29] <h00k> guntbert: negative
[21:30] <LjL> i'm 100% positive it might or might not be supported
[21:30] <guntbert> thx h00k
[22:24] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu spamming a link across multiple channels on the network
[23:26] <bazhang> just a kick or remove with gateway is needed
[23:26] <IdleOne> I didn't bother to whois before banning
[23:36] <rww> hrm, Workrave may help to prevent both RSI and getting mad at users
[23:36] <topyli> IdleOne: :)
[23:36] <IdleOne> hehe
[23:36] <IdleOne> thanks
 like any one can see his face when he open my website  <--- chat roulette?
[23:47] <bazhang> yep. thats what he wants
[23:56] <topyli> i don't think -ot is the place for in-team discussion guys, we have better channels
[23:57] <bazhang> thats why I exited.
[23:57] <bazhang> nothing left to say, on my part.
[23:58] <topyli> i did check the link, there is cursing. true
[23:58] <topyli> however, i don't see how this escalated
[23:59] <bazhang> manage the channel as you see fit.
[23:59] <LjL> i honestly find it ridiculous that one can't post links that happen to contain cusswords