[04:34] Hello! Anyone awake? [04:34] me unfortunately [04:34] xD [04:34] hahaha [04:34] how's it going? [04:35] tirededly. [04:35] ahh [04:36] I am pretty excited! [04:36] I just successfully set up my first minimal gnome install (no gnome-core used). [04:36] :) [04:36] Yes! [04:37] Still a few things left to do - like fix GRUB2, and get that application that recommends drivers... [04:37] but yeah, pretty sweet so far. Finally feeling in control. [04:38] :D === willz is now known as Xenope [07:51] hello everyone [07:51] i need to ask a n00b question [07:54] I installed Gnome desktop environment in the software centre [07:54] but how do I actually run it? [07:54] terminal? [07:57] what are you running now? [07:58] ubuntu 11.04 [07:58] sorry shudev mentioned that [07:58] souldve* [07:59] shouldve** lol [07:59] if you're running ubuntu, then you already have gnome... [07:59] oh.. FML [08:00] you just choose "classic ubuntu" in the login menu to go use the old/classic/whatever interface [08:00] it's a bit retarded they let you install something called "gnome desktop environment" lol [08:00] ah right yeah , i didn't realise gnome was the default environment like, I'm a newbie [08:01] thankyou for your help :) [08:01] :) [08:36] Morning [08:36] Hi daubers [08:36] Morning. [08:37] * daubers has a day on the motorbike today \o/ [08:40] IRCing while riding a bike, that's quite a skill you've got there [08:44] bigcalm: :P Need to get my gear on and potter over to the parents shortly. Need to pick some veg from the garden before it goes too mad [08:50] * daubers ventures out into the wild blue yonder [08:54] Have fun [09:10] morning all [09:10] Howdy popey :) [09:11] Sam just walked into the den [09:11] sam: "Daddy have you got your graze box yet?" [09:11] me: "No" [09:11] sam: *slams it on the table* "Yes you have! It's here!!" [09:11] Awww [09:11] now he's asking if he can have something from it [09:13] I have several tub untouched. Might be time to really cancel [09:13] wow [09:13] mine rarely last more than a few hours [09:13] Maybe if I were to move it to the weekend, Hayley and I would enjoy it together [09:14] I currently have it delayed by 4 weeks because they aren't being eaten [09:17] my kids eat lots of mine [10:19] good morning everyone, [10:24] Morning brobostigon [10:25] morning bigcalm :) [10:25] adsl dead this morning, so tethered eeepc to android phone. [10:37] does three have any restrictions ontethering, to anyones knowledge? [10:42] I think now that that android and iOS both include tethering by default they have probably given up [10:43] and they have stopped doing unlimited data tarrifs [10:43] my tariff with three,allows for unlimited data, without FUP. [10:44] myadsl isnt connecting properly, it dies overnight, and wont connect back up again. [10:46] brobostigon: call your ISP [10:46] bigcalm: i have looked all over their site, and havent found anything relating to tethering. [10:47] I meant about your ADSL [10:48] bigcalm: oh, yes, sorry, i just found all my dad documents from them, as the account is with my dad. [10:48] I see [10:49] http://www.avforums.com/forums/iphone/1417114-enable-tethering-3-one-plan.html [10:49] Might be of interest to you [10:50] bigcalm: so in theory, i cant do it, it has to be via my dad. andlast time, theyrefused to help me solve it, as i was doing someof the diagnosis via myeeepcwith debian, when it clearlyisnt related, very frustrating. [10:51] When I lived with my parents, we had Demon for ADSL. They allowed a seperate 'technical' and 'billing' contacts, which meant I could deal with them myself [10:52] that is a goodidea. [11:07] anyways, how can they tell if you have your phone tethered or not? [11:07] there is an extra hop in the TTL [11:09] good point, [11:16] also, depending on the network, the data goes over a different access point [11:16] * brobostigon is in Deep *** then. [11:17] why? [11:17] as i amtethered, potentially when i shouldnt be. [11:18] meh [11:18] i doubt they will come and beat your door down [11:19] quite, it isnt worth it for them. [11:21] Never had any hassle from T-Mobile due to tethering [11:21] czajkowski on a collector card http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_11 [11:22] bigcalm: are you on payg or contract, and or doesyourplan allow for tethering or not ? [11:23] Contract and I pay extra for unlimited data. As far as I know, it doesn't include tethering [11:24] ok, [11:24] hmm, [11:24] Don't worry about it :) [11:25] I wouldn't try torrenting over it though [11:26] no, certainly not. [11:28] Just because it'd be dog slow [11:28] i just tried aptitude update, and it baerly his 50kb/s === adrian is now known as Guest78069 [11:52] just told youngest there is no air in space where the shuttle went [11:53] pause . . ."but how do aliens breath??" [11:53] lol [11:53] Sweet [11:54] nice [11:58] +1 [12:24] lo [12:25] lo [12:27] * daubers has acquired a mega haul from the garden today [12:27] daubers: what did you haul in? [12:27] Might be eating baked potatoes with broad beans all week though [12:28] oracology: spuds, beans, carrots, spinach and lettuce [12:28] daubers: beans and carrots. make a quick stir fry! [12:28] indeed they do [12:28] if a telly has in front outlets for a headset, and one white and one yellow, what are the white and yellow for? [12:28] thats what dinner is this morning [12:29] (going through stuff at mums, planning to sell some) [12:29] Myrtti: yellow is normally video in [12:29] normally a red and white near it (left and right stereo) [12:29] Myrtti: what size connection? RCA? [12:29] so that's the one with the arrow like \/ above it [12:30] Myrtti: if they're the same size as the yellow video, then you've got a video connector and a mono audio jack (white) [12:30] ok [12:30] white is audio, yellow is composite video [12:30] Myrtti: the red gives you stereo. white alone gives you mono. [12:30] thank you ♥ [12:30] Myrtti: yeah, it's not two jacks for headphones :) [12:30] it's two jacks for an amiga :D [12:31] and they are going to be inputs rather than outputs [12:31] * daubers puts the kettle on [12:31] AlanBell: right, thanks Alan. important point, forgot to mention it [12:31] right, thank you [12:32] helps a lot [12:32] yeah. that configuration sounds like something they'd provide for camcorders, a good few years back [12:32] daubers: i'm enjoying a nice cuppa myself...cauliflower, potatoes and peas today for lunch (and possibly tomorrow's lunch too) [12:44] oracology: very nice too [12:44] daubers: :) [12:49] how can i 'flush' my dns? [12:50] i always botch the server setup and can now brows the site through a proxy but not on my pc [12:53] dogmatic69_: restart the program that's seeing the wrong host name [12:54] :( [12:54] dogmatic69_: if that doesn't work, restart the DNS server [12:54] (the caching DNS server you're using, that is0 [12:54] how do i do that? [12:54] * dogmatic69_ uses google 8.8.8.8 [12:54] you can't [12:55] and ttl is 60 on the A record [12:55] wait for the TTL to expire [12:55] check with: [12:55] dig -t A your.record.here [12:55] it'll show what's left of the TTL [12:55] dig -t A stats.infinitas-cms.org [12:55] stats.infinitas-cms.org. 3600 IN A 184.106.157.63 [12:55] :O [12:56] TTL for that record is 3600 seconds [12:56] its set to 60 [12:56] and the IP is as shown [12:56] it's set to 3600 [12:56] (1 hour) [12:57] :/ [12:57] so does ninja cloak not use dns cache? [12:57] it always works [12:57] you might need to reload your serving DNS server after changing the zone (don't forget the zone serial number as well) [12:58] dogmatic69_: ninja cloak? what's that? [12:58] you can set something to 86000 and then change it, and ninja cloak is instant [12:58] 86400 = 24 * 60 * 60 seconds :) [12:58] http://www.ninjacloak.com/ is a proxy [12:58] awesome when something is blocked [12:58] never bother with proxies [12:58] (I never do, I mean) [12:58] found it when i worked at a place that blocked fb [12:58] ninjacloak seems down [12:59] im on it, its up [12:59] lots of js / ads if you have ad blocker [12:59] eg: http://www.ninjacloak.com/index.php/1010110A/fdad7b2152c4c019b42996fe7fa35c50ab915a54e0d0ae94fd8d6062c216512 [12:59] works ^ [12:59] not for me [12:59] stats.infinitas-cms.org dont [12:59] strange [13:13] GNNNNN [13:13] does anyone have a foolproof way to remove the shadow on the panel at the top of the screen in 11.04? [13:14] http://askubuntu.com/questions/5669/how-to-remove-shadow-from-gnome-panel/5672#5672 does not work [13:18] :( [13:18] why is bash shouting at me? "status: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory" [13:28] aloha [13:31] hi czajkowski [13:32] what a frigging day [13:32] 2 days running [13:36] what was the reaction? [13:36] hmm that was a comment to something entirely different# [13:41] would anyone be interested in trying to ssh in my server so i can see if fail2ban works? [13:42] * BigRedS volunteers [13:43] tx, pm'ed you the ip [13:44] * AlanBell is off to farnborough later [13:44] uhoh [13:44] * popey is going to farnborough shortly [13:44] http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500002701&langId=-1&productId=1501010563#pdpProductReviews [13:44] that looks similar to mine [13:45] dont forget fuel _and_ oil! [13:45] and mine :-) [13:46] ä [13:46] Had mine for years - still working well. I have enlarged the strimming line hole though so I can use ~3mm rather than the really think stuff that snaps all the time. [13:48] * czajkowski is never leaving the house again [13:50] that bad? [13:51] knackered [13:51] 4 hr stint in A&E yesterday [13:51] where can i view the cron logs? [13:51] put my hand through a glass mirror this morning as i couldnt stand straight so cut my hand in a few places so lots of blood [13:52] yikes [13:52] that was at 7 when we were due to leave [13:52] so by 7:30 and most odf the blood stopped in parts rest of my stuff thrown in car [13:52] my hand out the window and raised trying to stop it bleeding off to airport [13:52] i am a disaster [13:54] czajkowski: And they say that breaking a mirror is bad luck! [13:55] penguin42: considering the last 15 months it cant get any worse [13:55] ah, like that [13:57] czajkowski: every time i say that it does :S [13:59] vlc mms://3.efstaleiti.rs.ruv.is/katla/ ♥ [14:02] what is that Myrtti? [14:03] tld is .is, katla is a volcano [14:04] is it going to go bang? [14:07] heh. iceland making irish weather look good :) [14:10] Woot! Finally got gson to deserialize some json on my phone \o/ [14:10] Now to get it into the sqlite db [14:26] daubers: i want cake [14:26] czajkowski: Me too :( The wife did make naughty gingerbread men yesterday..... [14:29] naughty..................how so [14:32] czajkowski: I'll take a pic... 2 seconds [14:35] http://ubuntuone.com/p/13a7/ [14:37] lol [14:37] See, told you they where naughty [16:15] what's the current favourite idiot-proof video editor? [16:16] I just need to cut the first minute off a video :) [16:16] openshot [16:16] BigRedS: cut it off and use it, or cut a video down to its first minute? [16:17] Simple actions like this are easy with ffmpeg :) [16:17] pitivi [16:18] popey: can that do "copy" mode, instead of re-encodig? [16:18] re-encoding* [16:18] * BigRedS install pitivi [16:18] I think I'm going to be doing this a bit, though, perhsaps an ffmpeg script will work out better in the future... [16:18] hi.... is there a way to make a copy of data being sent over a tty? [16:19] windmill: Try ttysnoop [16:19] MartijnVdS: dunno [16:19] penguin42, I'll give it a look [16:19] argh. pitivi's fallen into the project trap [16:21] meh [16:21] BigRedS: the project trap? [16:21] ah [16:21] "everything is a project" [16:21] Like the "library" trap of music/photo apps :( [16:21] penguin42, does that work for external devices connected to tty? I have a device which is controlled by a progam and I want to see what the progam in sending to the device [16:21] MartijnVdS: exactly. OTOH, ffmpeg is refreshingly simple :) [16:24] windmill: I've never used it but I think that's the idea of it for serial connections [16:24] windmill: The other way is to strace the program [16:24] *shudder* [16:25] * penguin42 hands MartijnVdS a coat [16:25] you could just write a small program that opens the tty + a pty, have the app you want to monitor connect to the pty, then have the new app you're writing pipe everything from tty<->pty and back :) [16:25] it would break on ioctls though [16:26] indeed, and you would see them with an strace [16:26] you can have strace dump out everything sent to a file descriptor [16:28] strace is sounding good [16:29] never used it [16:29] willhave to start reading [16:29] Are you going to trace "just once", or is this a "forever" thing? [16:31] MartijnVdS, I just want to record what itis doing once (or maybe twice) to look over and see what it its sending [16:33] then strace is good -- it can slow down an app quite a bit if it's being traced [16:36] ok so as far as I can work out I need a set of options after the -e to grab data from the tty [16:36] windmill: let me look it up.. it's not that hard [16:37] windmill: strace -o strace.out -e read=fd_of_tty_here -e write=fd_of_tty_here [16:38] BigRedS: openshot [16:38] you might have to find those file descriptors first (just numbers -- check the output of "ls -l /proc/$pid_of_program/fd/" and check which one is the tty) [16:38] MartijnVdS, ooo thanks... would probably have taken me hours to work that out from the man page [17:51] Myrtti: Ah, cheers. I'll give that one a go, too :) [18:35] Hello! [18:35] Anyone have time for a newbie question? [18:37] someone might :) generally the best approach is to outline your question and if someone among the 143 people in the channel knows the answer and has time to respond, they will do [18:49] Sigh [18:49] Well gord, I tried asking my question in #ubuntu [18:50] Basically the thing is I'm trying to reconfigure my grub (it seems to have been overwritten by Win7) [18:50] slightly less frantic here, ask away [18:50] When I type in "sudo grub", I get "command not found", so I removed grub using aptitude, and then reinstalled it. [18:50] I went through the configuration steps, and I'm still getting the same error. [18:50] potatoes: no you got removed for a bad attitude [18:50] Here's the kicker though - I got kicked form #ubuntu by a guy called Ikonia. [18:51] you didn't get tired asking you got removed [18:51] ikonia: I don't understand what my attitude was though, I honestly don't. [18:51] lets not bring that in here [18:51] potatoes: calling people names, that's nota good attitude [18:51] ikonia: All I did was brainstorm after you told me "try sudo apt-get install grub-pc" which I already did. [18:51] potatoes: rushing off doing your own thing while asking for help [18:51] so if you want to recover grub you'll want to follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [18:52] ikonia: before I called you an "asshole", you told me you said you were going to stop helping me because I was "rushing off", when I was just thinking out loud. [18:52] ikonia: I'm going to ignore you now, bye. [18:52] also the grub2 page on the wiki is good. [18:52] ikonia, potatoes if we need to discuss this then take it to #u-ops [18:52] don't bring it in here [18:52] Sorry gord. [18:53] gord: I do I feel really frustrated about it, even though it's only the internet. I have half a mind to continue it on in #u-ops. [18:54] ok, lets just work out potatoes issue, and fix it. [18:55] brobostigon: After following the link gord gave me, I think I'm missing menu.lst. [18:55] brobostigon: In /boot/grub [18:55] that's not used for grub2 [18:56] read the document properly [18:56] Ahh, yeah, that was me being stupid. [18:56] this is what I meant about rushing it [18:56] in [18:57] potatoes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [19:08] * daubers gets back to his android program after having a nommy stirfry and watching the Wrath of Khan [19:09] KHAAAAAN [19:09] whs [19:09] goodfilm, :) [19:10] I do enjoy evenings when the wifes out [19:10] :) [19:10] hehe [19:13] * MooDoo is just about to watch season 4 torchwood :) [19:13] MooDoo: that's not on until Thursday, is it? [19:14] MartijnVdS, it's been on in the states already apparently, well i hope so as i'm downloading it now :) [19:14] naughty :) [19:14] shush [19:14] :) [19:14] popey: were you using a dual head system on that screenshot bug? [19:14] cos i cannot reproduce it here [19:15] also launchpad needs twitter integration when i open a bug :) [19:17] i have global menus disabled too, maybe that affects it? [19:22] ali1234: no [19:22] i expect so [19:22] when you press windows key, does the launcher come to the front? [19:23] yes [19:23] for me that does not work either [19:23] in any fullscreen app [19:23] there is no way for me to launch apps [19:23] oh hang on [19:23] except to switch to another workspace [19:23] for a full screen app, no [19:24] ok, that's not related then [19:24] it's really annoying because the launcher doesn't dodge fullscreen windows either [19:25] the only way to get rid of it is to highlight another window, then click in the fullscreen window, then the launcher goes behind it [19:25] except that that isn't possible when the fullscreen window is the only window on the screen, ie always if you don't have two monitors [19:25] MooDoo, where#s Torchwood on? [pretty please] [19:25] basically unity fullscreen window handling is a massive regression over 10.10 [19:50] unity non-fullscreen window handling's amusing, too. [19:51] just the fun trying to get at menus. It's like a steady hand game, avoiding giving focus to anything else on the way :) [19:51] well yeah, that's why i disable global menus [19:51] with that gone unity isn't so bad [19:51] Ah, I'm still trying to convince myself that it's something I'll get used to... [19:54] hmm can't reproduce on netbook either [19:54] so it's not related to dual head, global menus, or nvidia driver [19:54] might be theme related but i doubt it [19:55] i will try changing to default theme [19:56] * suprengr is getting tempted to remove global menus (unity)... do I tread in in deep water or relive myself of a pain in the]? [19:57] just say NO [19:57] (and then turn it off) [19:57] :) [19:57] it causes a lot of other problems though [19:58] thanks ali1234 [19:58] but you'll see that [19:59] yeh.. that's what i was wondering... any show stoppers though? [20:00] no [20:00] cool, thanks [20:00] just some annoying stuff with firefox menu bar disappearing [20:00] and then clicks go to the wrong place [20:01] but no worse than all the existing problems with ff [20:01] .. can deal with that [20:01] cheers [20:31] market.android.com might as well be renamed "here is a bunch of crap you don't actually want. dot com" these days =\ [20:32] best i have found, since i have had android, is k9-mail and astrid. [20:33] haven't seen anything really interesting for about six months or so [20:34] crackle is interesting, full movies and tv shows streamed for free, neat. but i don't want to watch that stuff on my phone [20:34] gord: I guess it's for those 10" phones [20:34] or tablets. [20:35] I keep meaning to try k-9 [20:35] is it better than the built in one? [20:35] gord: dos crackle require flash? i havent got it here. [20:36] brobostigon, absolutely no idea [20:36] the default mail client for honeycomb is nice, its like the gmail client. hope it turns up in 4.0 [20:36] BigRedS: it ismore resuorce friendly, and doesnt require background data or syncing or any of thatstuff, that sucks battery, to be turned on. [20:37] gord: ok, because it isnt showing in market here. [20:37] chances are it requires certain hardware that supports DRM or some such [20:37] gord: yes,proobebly. [20:40] brobostigon: Ah, none of those are particularly important perks to me. [20:40] BigRedS: oh, ok. [20:41] BigRedS: also, more battery friendly, due to those factors. [20:41] yeah, my batter lasts longer than the time between charges already [20:42] :) [20:42] every so often the native one irritates me and I decide to try something else, but I tend to get distracted before I actually do... [20:42] ok. [22:09] woot. Father's day present handed over. "Dad's Ubuntu Kit" :) (Ubuntu mug, notepad, pens, mouse mat, books). Upgrade to Maverick in progress, then to Natty. [22:17] with time zones, will paris always be 1 hour ahead of us? [22:17] or does DST mess it up [22:30] Azelphur: they switch to DST same as us [22:30] same dat [22:30] *day [22:30] compare... [22:30] cool, so always +1 [22:30] http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=136 [22:30] http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=195 [22:30] London vs Paris [22:30] look at the dates [22:31] handy site that [22:32] indeed :) [22:39] anyone know how i can add "Run as admin" to my right click menu for 11.04 [22:43] * penguin42 wouldn't mind adding stuff to that menu but never seen how - I like how on some fedora versions there is a 'terminal' on it [22:51] evening peeps! [22:52] g'morning ascenseur [22:53] aha, 7 minutes to go here ;) [22:53] how are you BigRedS [22:53] ah, it's always morning in my world [22:53] I'm all good. Just been playing quake. Scared the crap out of me :/ [22:53] you? [22:54] Woo :) I'm very good thanks! Just got a lot of things sorted which have made things all the much brighter :) [22:54] VoIP and IPv6 - both unrelated, but they've been giving me a headache for weeks! [22:59] haha [22:59] that's a pair of abbreviations I've avoided thus far [22:59] voip is voodoo as far as I'm concerned [23:00] I'm surprised every time it works [23:01] BigRedS: Yeh but so are most comms systems - just think what a moile has to do [23:03] I used to help look after a pbx, so I should know some of it, I suppose [23:03] it's just that phone networks aren't IP networks in my head I think [23:03] "what do you mean it's not got a dhcp lease? It's a phone" etc. [23:10] but mobile stuff is even crazier isn't it? [23:18] oh yeah [23:18] I try not to think about that :)