[04:34] <potatoes> Hello! Anyone awake?
[04:34] <Azelphur> me unfortunately
[04:34] <Azelphur> xD
[04:34] <potatoes> hahaha
[04:34] <potatoes> how's it going?
[04:35] <Azelphur> tirededly.
[04:35] <potatoes> ahh
[04:36] <potatoes> I am pretty excited!
[04:36] <potatoes> I just successfully set up my first minimal gnome install (no gnome-core used).
[04:36] <Azelphur> :)
[04:36] <potatoes> Yes!
[04:37] <potatoes> Still a few things left to do - like fix GRUB2, and get that application that recommends drivers...
[04:37] <potatoes> but yeah, pretty sweet so far. Finally feeling in control.
[04:38] <Azelphur> :D
[07:51] <Xenope> hello everyone
[07:51] <Xenope> i need to ask a n00b question
[07:54] <Xenope> I installed Gnome desktop environment in the software centre
[07:54] <Xenope> but how do I actually run it?
[07:54] <Xenope> terminal?
[07:57] <tsimpson> what are you running now?
[07:58] <Xenope> ubuntu 11.04
[07:58] <Xenope> sorry shudev mentioned that
[07:58] <Xenope> souldve*
[07:59] <Xenope> shouldve** lol
[07:59] <tsimpson> if you're running ubuntu, then you already have gnome...
[07:59] <Xenope> oh.. FML
[08:00] <tsimpson> you just choose "classic ubuntu" in the login menu to go use the old/classic/whatever interface
[08:00] <Xenope> it's a bit retarded they let you install something called "gnome desktop environment" lol
[08:00] <Xenope> ah right yeah , i didn't realise gnome was the default environment like, I'm a newbie
[08:01] <Xenope> thankyou for your help :)
[08:01] <tsimpson> :)
[08:36] <daubers> Morning
[08:36] <bigcalm> Hi daubers
[08:36] <iulian> Morning.
[08:37]  * daubers has a day on the motorbike today \o/
[08:40] <bigcalm> IRCing while riding a bike, that's quite a skill you've got there
[08:44] <daubers> bigcalm: :P Need to get my gear on and potter over to the parents shortly. Need to pick some veg from the garden before it goes too mad
[08:50]  * daubers ventures out into the wild blue yonder
[08:54] <bigcalm> Have fun
[09:10] <popey> morning all
[09:10] <bigcalm> Howdy popey :)
[09:11] <popey> Sam just walked into the den
[09:11] <popey> sam: "Daddy have you got your graze box yet?"
[09:11] <popey> me: "No"
[09:11] <popey> sam: *slams it on the table* "Yes you have! It's here!!"
[09:11] <bigcalm> Awww
[09:11] <popey> now he's asking if he can have something from it
[09:13] <bigcalm> I have several tub untouched. Might be time to really cancel
[09:13] <popey> wow
[09:13] <popey> mine rarely last more than a few hours
[09:13] <bigcalm> Maybe if I were to move it to the weekend, Hayley and I would enjoy it together
[09:14] <bigcalm> I currently have it delayed by 4 weeks because they aren't being eaten
[09:17] <popey> my kids eat lots of mine
[10:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:24] <bigcalm> Morning brobostigon
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm :)
[10:25] <brobostigon> adsl dead this morning, so tethered eeepc to android phone.
[10:37] <brobostigon> does three have any restrictions ontethering, to anyones knowledge?
[10:42] <AlanBell> I think now that that android and iOS both include tethering by default they have probably given up
[10:43] <AlanBell> and they have stopped doing unlimited data tarrifs
[10:43] <brobostigon> my tariff with three,allows for unlimited data, without FUP.
[10:44] <brobostigon> myadsl isnt connecting properly, it dies overnight, and wont connect back up again.
[10:46] <bigcalm> brobostigon: call your ISP
[10:46] <brobostigon> bigcalm: i have looked all over their site, and havent found anything relating to tethering.
[10:47] <bigcalm> I meant about your ADSL
[10:48] <brobostigon> bigcalm: oh, yes, sorry, i just found all my dad documents from them, as the account is with my dad.
[10:48] <bigcalm> I see
[10:49] <bigcalm> http://www.avforums.com/forums/iphone/1417114-enable-tethering-3-one-plan.html
[10:49] <bigcalm> Might be of interest to you
[10:50] <brobostigon> bigcalm: so in theory, i cant do it, it has to be via my dad. andlast time, theyrefused to help me solve it, as i was doing someof the diagnosis via myeeepcwith debian, when it clearlyisnt related, very frustrating.
[10:51] <bigcalm> When I lived with my parents, we had Demon for ADSL. They allowed a seperate 'technical' and 'billing' contacts, which meant I could deal with them myself
[10:52] <brobostigon> that is a goodidea.
[11:07] <brobostigon> anyways, how can they tell if you have your phone tethered or not?
[11:07] <gord> there is an extra hop in the TTL
[11:09] <brobostigon> good point,
[11:16] <popey> also, depending on the network, the data goes over a different access point
[11:16]  * brobostigon is in Deep *** then.
[11:17] <popey> why?
[11:17] <brobostigon> as i amtethered, potentially when i shouldnt be.
[11:18] <popey> meh
[11:18] <popey> i doubt they will come and beat your door down
[11:19] <brobostigon> quite, it isnt worth it for them.
[11:21] <bigcalm> Never had any hassle from T-Mobile due to tethering
[11:21] <AlanBell> czajkowski on a collector card http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_11
[11:22] <brobostigon> bigcalm: are you on payg or contract, and or doesyourplan allow for tethering or not ?
[11:23] <bigcalm> Contract and I pay extra for unlimited data. As far as I know, it doesn't include tethering
[11:24] <brobostigon> ok,
[11:24] <brobostigon> hmm,
[11:24] <bigcalm> Don't worry about it :)
[11:25] <bigcalm> I wouldn't try torrenting over it though
[11:26] <brobostigon> no, certainly not.
[11:28] <bigcalm> Just because it'd be dog slow
[11:28] <brobostigon> i just tried aptitude update, and it baerly his 50kb/s
[11:52] <AlanBell> just told youngest there is no air in space where the shuttle went
[11:53] <AlanBell> pause . . ."but how do aliens breath??"
[11:53] <brobostigon> lol
[11:53] <bigcalm> Sweet
[11:54] <popey> nice
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> +1
[12:24] <daubers> lo
[12:25] <popey> lo
[12:27]  * daubers has acquired a mega haul from the garden today
[12:27] <oracology> daubers: what did you haul in?
[12:27] <daubers> Might be eating baked potatoes with broad beans all week though
[12:28] <daubers> oracology:  spuds, beans, carrots, spinach and lettuce
[12:28] <oracology> daubers: beans and carrots. make a quick stir fry!
[12:28] <daubers> indeed they do
[12:28] <Myrtti> if a telly has in front outlets for a headset, and one white and one yellow, what are the white and yellow for?
[12:28] <daubers> thats what dinner is this morning
[12:29] <Myrtti> (going through stuff at mums, planning to sell some)
[12:29] <daubers> Myrtti: yellow is normally video in
[12:29] <daubers> normally a red and white near it (left and right stereo)
[12:29] <oracology> Myrtti: what size connection? RCA?
[12:29] <Myrtti> so that's the one with the arrow like \/ above it
[12:30] <oracology> Myrtti: if they're the same size as the yellow video, then you've got a video connector and a mono audio jack (white)
[12:30] <Myrtti> ok
[12:30] <AlanBell> white is audio, yellow is composite video
[12:30] <oracology> Myrtti: the red gives you stereo. white alone gives you mono.
[12:30] <Myrtti> thank you ♥
[12:30] <oracology> Myrtti: yeah, it's not two jacks for headphones :)
[12:30] <shauno> it's two jacks for an amiga :D
[12:31] <AlanBell> and they are going to be inputs rather than outputs
[12:31]  * daubers puts the kettle on
[12:31] <oracology> AlanBell: right, thanks Alan. important point, forgot to mention it
[12:31] <Myrtti> right, thank you
[12:32] <Myrtti> helps a lot
[12:32] <shauno> yeah.  that configuration sounds like something they'd provide for camcorders, a good few years back
[12:32] <oracology> daubers: i'm enjoying a nice cuppa myself...cauliflower, potatoes and peas today for lunch (and possibly tomorrow's lunch too)
[12:44] <daubers> oracology:  very nice too
[12:44] <oracology> daubers: :)
[12:49] <dogmatic69_> how can i 'flush' my dns?
[12:50] <dogmatic69_> i always botch the server setup and can now brows the site through a proxy but not on my pc
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: restart the program that's seeing the wrong host name
[12:54] <dogmatic69_> :(
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: if that doesn't work, restart the DNS server
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> (the caching DNS server you're using, that is0
[12:54] <dogmatic69_> how do i do that?
[12:54]  * dogmatic69_ uses google 8.8.8.8
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> you can't
[12:55] <dogmatic69_> and ttl is 60 on the A record
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> wait for the TTL to expire
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> check with:
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> dig -t A your.record.here
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> it'll show what's left of the TTL
[12:55] <dogmatic69_> dig -t A stats.infinitas-cms.org
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> stats.infinitas-cms.org. 3600	IN	A	184.106.157.63
[12:55] <dogmatic69_> :O
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> TTL for that record is 3600 seconds
[12:56] <dogmatic69_> its set to 60
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> and the IP is as shown
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> it's set to 3600
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> (1 hour)
[12:57] <dogmatic69_> :/
[12:57] <dogmatic69_> so does ninja cloak not use dns cache?
[12:57] <dogmatic69_> it always works
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> you might need to reload your serving DNS server after changing the zone (don't forget the zone serial number as well)
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: ninja cloak? what's that?
[12:58] <dogmatic69_> you can set something to 86000 and then change it, and ninja cloak is instant
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> 86400 = 24 * 60 * 60 seconds :)
[12:58] <dogmatic69_> http://www.ninjacloak.com/ is a proxy
[12:58] <dogmatic69_> awesome when something is blocked
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> never bother with proxies
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> (I never do, I mean)
[12:58] <dogmatic69_> found it when i worked at a place that blocked fb
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> ninjacloak seems down
[12:59] <dogmatic69_> im on it, its up
[12:59] <dogmatic69_> lots of js / ads if you have ad blocker
[12:59] <dogmatic69_> eg: http://www.ninjacloak.com/index.php/1010110A/fdad7b2152c4c019b42996fe7fa35c50ab915a54e0d0ae94fd8d6062c216512
[12:59] <dogmatic69_> works ^
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> not for me
[12:59] <dogmatic69_> stats.infinitas-cms.org dont
[12:59] <dogmatic69_> strange
[13:13] <popey> GNNNNN
[13:13] <popey> does anyone have a foolproof way to remove the shadow on the panel at the top of the screen in 11.04?
[13:14] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/5669/how-to-remove-shadow-from-gnome-panel/5672#5672 does not work
[13:18] <dogmatic69_> :(
[13:18] <dogmatic69_> why is bash shouting at me? "status: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory"
[13:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:31] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[13:32] <czajkowski> what a frigging day
[13:32] <czajkowski> 2 days running
[13:36] <penguin42> what was the reaction?
[13:36] <penguin42> hmm that was a comment to something entirely different#
[13:41] <dogmatic69_> would anyone be interested in trying to ssh in my server so i can see if fail2ban works?
[13:42]  * BigRedS volunteers
[13:43] <dogmatic69_> tx, pm'ed you the ip
[13:44]  * AlanBell is off to farnborough later
[13:44] <popey> uhoh
[13:44]  * popey is going to farnborough shortly
[13:44] <AlanBell> http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500002701&langId=-1&productId=1501010563#pdpProductReviews
[13:44] <popey> that looks similar to mine
[13:45] <popey> dont forget fuel _and_ oil!
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> and mine :-)
[13:46] <Myrtti> ä
[13:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had mine for years - still working well. I have enlarged the strimming line hole though so I can use ~3mm rather than the really think stuff that snaps all the time.
[13:48]  * czajkowski is never leaving the house again
[13:50] <AlanBell> that bad?
[13:51] <czajkowski> knackered
[13:51] <czajkowski> 4 hr stint in A&E yesterday
[13:51] <dogmatic69_> where can i view the cron logs?
[13:51] <czajkowski> put my hand through a glass mirror this morning as i couldnt stand straight so cut my hand in a few places so lots of blood
[13:52] <AlanBell> yikes
[13:52] <czajkowski> that was at 7 when we were due to leave
[13:52] <czajkowski> so by 7:30 and most odf the blood stopped in parts rest of my stuff thrown in car
[13:52] <czajkowski> my hand out the window and raised trying to stop it bleeding off to airport
[13:52] <czajkowski> i am a disaster
[13:54] <penguin42> czajkowski: And they say that breaking a mirror is bad luck!
[13:55] <czajkowski> penguin42: considering the last 15 months it cant get any worse
[13:55] <penguin42> ah, like that
[13:57] <dogmatic69_> czajkowski: every time i say that it does :S
[13:59] <Myrtti> vlc mms://3.efstaleiti.rs.ruv.is/katla/ ♥
[14:02] <AlanBell> what is that Myrtti?
[14:03] <Myrtti> tld is .is, katla is a volcano
[14:04] <AlanBell> is it going to go bang?
[14:07] <shauno> heh.  iceland making irish weather look good :)
[14:10] <daubers> Woot! Finally got gson to deserialize some json on my phone \o/
[14:10] <daubers> Now to get it into the sqlite db
[14:26] <czajkowski> daubers: i want cake
[14:26] <daubers> czajkowski: Me too :( The wife did make naughty gingerbread men yesterday.....
[14:29] <czajkowski> naughty..................how so
[14:32] <daubers> czajkowski: I'll take a pic... 2 seconds
[14:35] <daubers> http://ubuntuone.com/p/13a7/
[14:37] <czajkowski> lol
[14:37] <daubers> See, told you they where naughty
[16:15] <BigRedS> what's the current favourite idiot-proof video editor?
[16:16] <BigRedS> I just need to cut the first minute off a video :)
[16:16] <Myrtti> openshot
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: cut it off and use it, or cut a video down to its first minute?
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> Simple actions like this are easy with ffmpeg :)
[16:17] <popey> pitivi
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: can that do "copy" mode, instead of re-encodig?
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> re-encoding*
[16:18]  * BigRedS install pitivi
[16:18] <BigRedS> I think I'm going to be doing this a bit, though, perhsaps an ffmpeg script will work out better in the future...
[16:18] <windmill> hi.... is there a way to make a copy of data being sent over a tty?
[16:19] <penguin42> windmill: Try ttysnoop
[16:19] <popey> MartijnVdS: dunno
[16:19] <windmill> penguin42, I'll give it a look
[16:19] <BigRedS> argh. pitivi's fallen into the project trap
[16:21] <popey> meh
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: the project trap?
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> ah
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> "everything is a project"
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> Like the "library" trap of music/photo apps :(
[16:21] <windmill> penguin42, does that work for external devices connected to tty? I have a device which is controlled by a progam and I want to see what the progam in sending to the device
[16:21] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: exactly. OTOH, ffmpeg is refreshingly simple :)
[16:24] <penguin42> windmill: I've never used it but I think that's the idea of it for serial connections
[16:24] <penguin42> windmill: The other way is to strace the program
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[16:25]  * penguin42 hands MartijnVdS a coat
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> you could just write a small program that opens the tty + a pty, have the app you want to monitor connect to the pty, then have the new app you're writing pipe everything from tty<->pty and back :)
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> it would break on ioctls though
[16:26] <penguin42> indeed, and you would see them with an strace
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> you can have strace dump out everything sent to a file descriptor
[16:28] <windmill> strace is sounding good
[16:29] <windmill> never used it
[16:29] <windmill> willhave to start reading
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> Are you going to trace "just once", or is this a "forever" thing?
[16:31] <windmill> MartijnVdS, I just want to record what itis doing once (or maybe twice) to look over and see what it its sending
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> then strace is good -- it can slow down an app quite a bit if it's being traced
[16:36] <windmill> ok so as far as I can work out I need a set of options after the -e to grab data from the tty
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> windmill: let me look it up.. it's not that hard
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> windmill: strace -o strace.out -e read=fd_of_tty_here -e write=fd_of_tty_here
[16:38] <Myrtti> BigRedS: openshot
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> you might have to find those file descriptors first (just numbers -- check the output of "ls -l /proc/$pid_of_program/fd/" and check which one is the tty)
[16:38] <windmill> MartijnVdS, ooo thanks... would probably have taken me hours to work that out from the man page
[17:51] <BigRedS> Myrtti: Ah, cheers. I'll give that one a go, too :)
[18:35] <potatoes> Hello!
[18:35] <potatoes> Anyone have time for a newbie question?
[18:37] <gord> someone might :) generally the best approach is to outline your question and if someone among the 143 people in the channel knows the answer and has time to respond, they will do
[18:49] <potatoes> Sigh
[18:49] <potatoes> Well gord, I tried asking my question in #ubuntu
[18:50] <potatoes> Basically the thing is I'm trying to reconfigure my grub (it seems to have been overwritten by Win7)
[18:50] <AlanBell> slightly less frantic here, ask away
[18:50] <potatoes> When I type in "sudo grub", I get "command not found", so I removed grub using aptitude, and then reinstalled it.
[18:50] <potatoes> I went through the configuration steps, and I'm still getting the same error.
[18:50] <ikonia> potatoes: no you got removed for a bad attitude
[18:50] <potatoes> Here's the kicker though - I got kicked form #ubuntu by a guy called Ikonia.
[18:51] <ikonia> you didn't get tired asking you got removed
[18:51] <potatoes> ikonia: I don't understand what my attitude was though, I honestly don't.
[18:51] <gord> lets not bring that in here
[18:51] <ikonia> potatoes: calling people names, that's nota good attitude
[18:51] <potatoes> ikonia: All I did was brainstorm after you told me "try sudo apt-get install grub-pc" which I already did.
[18:51] <ikonia> potatoes: rushing off doing your own thing while asking for help
[18:51] <gord> so if you want to recover grub you'll want to follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[18:52] <potatoes> ikonia: before I called you an "asshole", you told me you said you were going to stop helping me because I was "rushing off", when I was just thinking out loud.
[18:52] <potatoes> ikonia: I'm going to ignore you now, bye.
[18:52] <brobostigon> also the grub2 page on the wiki is good.
[18:52] <gord> ikonia, potatoes   if we need to discuss this then take it to #u-ops
[18:52] <gord> don't bring it in here
[18:52] <potatoes> Sorry gord.
[18:53] <potatoes> gord: I do I feel really frustrated about it, even though it's only the internet. I have half a mind to continue it on in #u-ops.
[18:54] <brobostigon> ok, lets just work out potatoes issue, and fix it.
[18:55] <potatoes> brobostigon: After following the link gord gave me, I think I'm missing menu.lst.
[18:55] <potatoes> brobostigon: In /boot/grub
[18:55] <ikonia> that's not used for grub2
[18:56] <ikonia> read the document properly
[18:56] <potatoes> Ahh, yeah, that was me being stupid.
[18:56] <ikonia> this is what I meant about rushing it
[18:56] <ikonia> in
[18:57] <brobostigon> potatoes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[19:08]  * daubers gets back to his android program after having a nommy stirfry and watching the Wrath of Khan
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> KHAAAAAN
[19:09] <popey> whs
[19:09] <brobostigon> goodfilm, :)
[19:10] <daubers> I do enjoy evenings when the wifes out
[19:10] <brobostigon> :)
[19:10] <brobostigon> hehe
[19:13]  * MooDoo is just about to watch season 4 torchwood :)
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: that's not on until Thursday, is it?
[19:14] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, it's been on in the states already apparently, well i hope so as i'm downloading it now :)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> naughty :)
[19:14] <MooDoo> shush
[19:14] <MooDoo>  :)
[19:14] <ali1234> popey: were you using a dual head system on that screenshot bug?
[19:14] <ali1234> cos i cannot reproduce it here
[19:15] <ali1234> also launchpad needs twitter integration when i open a bug :)
[19:17] <ali1234> i have global menus disabled too, maybe that affects it?
[19:22] <popey> ali1234: no
[19:22] <popey> i expect so
[19:22] <ali1234> when you press windows key, does the launcher come to the front?
[19:23] <popey> yes
[19:23] <ali1234> for me that does not work either
[19:23] <ali1234> in any fullscreen app
[19:23] <ali1234> there is no way for me to launch apps
[19:23] <popey> oh hang on
[19:23] <ali1234> except to switch to another workspace
[19:23] <popey> for a full screen app, no
[19:24] <ali1234> ok, that's not related then
[19:24] <ali1234> it's really annoying because the launcher doesn't dodge fullscreen windows either
[19:25] <ali1234> the only way to get rid of it is to highlight another window, then click in the fullscreen window, then the launcher goes behind it
[19:25] <ali1234> except that that isn't possible when the fullscreen window is the only window on the screen, ie always if you don't have two monitors
[19:25] <suprengr> MooDoo, where#s Torchwood on? [pretty please]
[19:25] <ali1234> basically unity fullscreen window handling is a massive regression over 10.10
[19:50] <BigRedS> unity non-fullscreen window handling's amusing, too.
[19:51] <BigRedS> just the fun trying to get at menus. It's like a steady hand game, avoiding giving focus to anything else on the way :)
[19:51] <ali1234> well yeah, that's why i disable global menus
[19:51] <ali1234> with that gone unity isn't so bad
[19:51] <BigRedS> Ah, I'm still trying to convince myself that it's something I'll get used to...
[19:54] <ali1234> hmm can't reproduce on netbook either
[19:54] <ali1234> so it's not related to dual head, global menus, or nvidia driver
[19:54] <ali1234> might be theme related but i doubt it
[19:55] <ali1234> i will try changing to default theme
[19:56]  * suprengr is getting tempted to remove global menus (unity)... do I tread in in deep water or relive myself of a pain in the]?
[19:57] <ali1234> just say NO
[19:57] <ali1234> (and then turn it off)
[19:57] <suprengr> :)
[19:57] <ali1234> it causes a lot of other problems though
[19:58] <suprengr> thanks ali1234
[19:58] <ali1234> but you'll see that
[19:59] <suprengr> yeh.. that's what i was wondering... any show stoppers though?
[20:00] <ali1234> no
[20:00] <suprengr> cool, thanks
[20:00] <ali1234> just some annoying stuff with firefox menu bar disappearing
[20:00] <ali1234> and then clicks go to the wrong place
[20:01] <ali1234> but no worse than all the existing problems with ff
[20:01] <suprengr> .. can deal with that
[20:01] <suprengr> cheers
[20:31] <gord> market.android.com might as well be renamed "here is a bunch of crap you don't actually want. dot com" these days =\
[20:32] <brobostigon> best i have found, since i have had android, is k9-mail and astrid.
[20:33] <gord> haven't seen anything really interesting for about six months or so
[20:34] <gord> crackle is interesting, full movies and tv shows streamed for free, neat. but i don't want to watch that stuff on my phone
[20:34] <penguin42> gord: I guess it's for those 10" phones
[20:34] <brobostigon> or tablets.
[20:35] <BigRedS> I keep meaning to try k-9
[20:35] <BigRedS> is it better than the built in one?
[20:35] <brobostigon> gord: dos crackle require flash? i havent got it here.
[20:36] <gord> brobostigon, absolutely no idea
[20:36] <gord> the default mail client for honeycomb is nice, its like the gmail client. hope it turns up in 4.0
[20:36] <brobostigon> BigRedS: it ismore resuorce friendly, and doesnt require background data or  syncing or any of thatstuff, that sucks battery, to be turned on.
[20:37] <brobostigon> gord: ok, because it isnt showing in market here.
[20:37] <gord> chances are it requires certain hardware that supports DRM or some such
[20:37] <brobostigon> gord: yes,proobebly.
[20:40] <BigRedS> brobostigon: Ah, none of those are particularly important perks to me.
[20:40] <brobostigon> BigRedS: oh, ok.
[20:41] <brobostigon> BigRedS: also, more battery friendly, due to those factors.
[20:41] <BigRedS> yeah, my batter lasts longer than the time between charges already
[20:42] <brobostigon> :)
[20:42] <BigRedS> every so often the native one irritates me and I decide to try something else, but I tend to get distracted before I actually do...
[20:42] <brobostigon> ok.
[22:09] <StevenR> woot. Father's day present handed over. "Dad's Ubuntu Kit" :)  (Ubuntu mug, notepad, pens, mouse mat, books). Upgrade to Maverick in progress, then to Natty.
[22:17] <Azelphur> with time zones, will paris always be 1 hour ahead of us?
[22:17] <Azelphur> or does DST mess it up
[22:30] <popey> Azelphur: they switch to DST same as us
[22:30] <popey> same dat
[22:30] <popey> *day
[22:30] <popey> compare...
[22:30] <Azelphur> cool, so always +1
[22:30] <popey> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=136
[22:30] <popey> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=195
[22:30] <popey> London vs Paris
[22:30] <popey> look at the dates
[22:31] <popey> handy site that
[22:32] <Azelphur> indeed :)
[22:39] <murcherson> anyone know how i can add "Run as admin" to my right click menu for 11.04
[22:43]  * penguin42 wouldn't mind adding stuff to that menu but never seen how - I like how on some fedora versions there is a 'terminal' on it
[22:51] <ascenseur> evening peeps!
[22:52] <BigRedS> g'morning ascenseur
[22:53] <ascenseur> aha, 7 minutes to go here ;)
[22:53] <ascenseur> how are you BigRedS
[22:53] <BigRedS> ah, it's always morning in my world
[22:53] <BigRedS> I'm all good. Just been playing quake. Scared the crap out of me :/
[22:53] <BigRedS> you?
[22:54] <ascenseur> Woo :) I'm very good thanks! Just got a lot of things sorted which have made things all the much brighter :)
[22:54] <ascenseur> VoIP and IPv6 - both unrelated, but they've been giving me a headache for weeks!
[22:59] <BigRedS> haha
[22:59] <BigRedS> that's a pair of abbreviations I've avoided thus far
[22:59] <BigRedS> voip is voodoo as far as I'm concerned
[23:00] <BigRedS> I'm surprised every time it works
[23:01] <penguin42> BigRedS: Yeh but so are most comms systems - just think what a moile has to do
[23:03] <BigRedS> I used to help look after a pbx, so I should know some of it, I suppose
[23:03] <BigRedS> it's just that phone networks aren't IP networks in my head I think
[23:03] <BigRedS> "what do you mean it's not got a dhcp lease? It's a phone" etc.
[23:10] <penguin42> but mobile stuff is even crazier isn't it?
[23:18] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[23:18] <BigRedS> I try not to think about that :)