[00:05] <bjsnider> you're missing something in the distro if there's a 20% speed improvement
[00:06] <bryceh> performance optimizations have tended to be at the root cause of a fair number of the freeze bugs we get
[00:06] <Sarvatt> 6 months between releases, 3-4 month windows where the newer versions have to be released between to even get considered, hundreds of commits modifying the code giving those kinds of improvements so it cant just be backported, etc
[00:07] <Sarvatt> yep that too :)
[00:07] <bryceh> if upstream were better at making those sorts of things configurable, it'd help
[00:08] <bjsnider> maybe x-updates is too conservative
[00:08] <bryceh> or if upstream didn't delete all of the existing code as soon as they've finished writing something new
[00:09] <bryceh> bjsnider, I think it's more a labor limitation there.  we could definitely be more active at updating that if we had more time
[00:10] <Sarvatt> probably but I have more than I can handle alone just doing xorg-edgers and thats what I'm most interested in
[00:10] <bjsnider> i still send stuff in there lol
[00:10] <bjsnider> i guess i'm the only one
[00:11] <Sarvatt> lots of things to worry about in there too, things arent as self contained once you move out of the luxury of the binary drivers :P
[00:11] <bryceh> bjsnider, keep it up :-)
[00:12] <bryceh> we should look for new recruits, too.  I used to be more active at snaring people and pulling them into the team
[00:12] <bjsnider> well, maybe there should just be one ppa and a "let the buyer beware" attitude towards it
[00:12] <Sarvatt> to update a ddx you need to update libdrm usually and screw up other things (hello nouveau), update mesa you potentially regress tens of other drivers, that kind of crap
[00:12] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yep.  Also, a lot of the improvements are in the kernel drm or mesa, which are hard to do in -updates
[02:19] <bryceh> mesa rc1 already, nice.
[02:25] <bryceh> Sarvatt, regarding bug #807306 here's a list of packages the guy upgraded - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/807306/+attachment/2198342/+files/dpkg.txt
[02:25] <ubot4> bryceh: Error: Bug #807306 is private.
[02:25] <bryceh> Sarvatt, there's a minor udev update in there and a major xserver update.  He tested the kernel update and it seems innocent.  Could it be an xserver bug?
[06:49] <stefanlsd> is the prop nvidia / multiarch sorted yet, or still broken. missing xorg-edgers...