[08:38] wow [08:38] 2011-07-09 10:37:39 (423 KB/s) - `openejb-3.1.4.tar.gz' saved [21869975/21869975] [08:38] that's on my phone [08:38] I just wish my data card would connect [08:41] ello [08:41] morning [08:41] awe still no connect with the 3g nuvolari ? :( [08:44] mornings [08:44] ye kbmonkey [08:44] and it's not just me [08:44] lady from work that lives in Umhlanga has the same issue [08:44] and I tried with 2 data cards [08:45] kbmonkey: heh, but this time I'm connected with my 'droid. I gave up on the Sony Ericsson P1i... the speed is as good as no connection at all [08:46] and to think it was fast back then [08:56] * Symmetria just listed speedtest.tenet.ac.za [09:02] http://www.speedtest.net/result/1377880825.png [09:02] oh wait [09:03] Symmetria: why did it go to speedtest.net? [09:04] is that your 'droid speed test? [09:06] nuvolari huh? speedtest.tenet.ac.za go speedtest.net? [09:06] https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IRB4tV8mAGk/ThgZy7PW3lI/AAAAAAAABkQ/lKoAX36u3Qk/s429/Screenshot-Speedtest.net+Mini+Bandwidth+Speed+Test+-+Chromium.png [09:06] Symmetria: nevermind :P I clicked on Umhlanga [09:06] after the initial test [09:07] then it went to speedtest.net [09:07] kbmonkey: ye [09:07] kbmonkey here is a scary speedtest [09:07] http://mirror.ac.za/speedtest-ufs.jpg [09:07] :P that was a test from bloemfontein to speedtest.tenet.ac.za [09:07] kbmonkey: that first one of mine was from here to umhlanga [09:07] after we modified the file download size slightly to actually scale up [09:08] the second one is Symmetria's test [09:09] heh that UFS test is truely nuts though [09:11] http://mirror.ac.za/speedtest-uwc.jpg ? [09:12] sakhi heh, you'll need to run one from UWC [09:12] I dont have access to a box there [09:12] to test [09:12] and uwc is better to use speedtest-cpt.tenet.ac.za I suspect [09:13] :)50.78 Mbps [09:13] is that to cpt or to the joburg one? [09:14] I'm doing Joburg now and its 22.72Mbps [09:14] thats your latency slowing it down [09:30] ugh :-/ need to go out. Hate shopping [09:30] bbl [10:20] Speed... give me what I need ... YEAH! [11:14] morning === Squirm2 is now known as Squirm [12:41] lo oom Kilos [12:42] lo nuvolari dog jy gaan af wees die naweek [12:42] moelik nê [12:42] Kilos: ja nee oom. het maar 'n exstra data bundle vir my foon gekoop [12:42] afternoon all [12:42] lol [12:43] daai g+ soek en eiteindlik ingaan het my data gedooi dis hoekom ek so laat hier opkom [12:43] ek dink dis all die prentjies [12:44] avatars en goed [12:44] maar dit werk darem nou [12:46] \o/ [12:46] dis goed oom :D [12:47] ja man dit was n groot stoeiery [12:47] nou kan gemoedere rus, oom is deel van ons sirkel :) [12:47] ja ek kry epos dat hele paar my al in hulle sircels gesit het [12:47] sirkel [12:49] Maaz, coffee on [12:49] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [12:49] Maaz, coffee for all [12:49] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already [12:50] lo kbmonkey hurry for coffee [12:50] nuvolari, koffie? [12:53] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [12:53] Maaz, ty [12:53] Enjoy Kilos [12:53] * Kilos sips on my lonesome [12:58] Kilos: seblief oom! [12:58] lol [12:58] opi foon [12:58] skuus [12:59] lo Kilos nuvolari and Maaz [12:59] Maaz, coffee on [12:59] * Maaz washes some mugs [13:00] Maaz, do my laundry too? [13:00] kbmonkey: *blink* [13:00] lol [13:00] ha ha just kidding, i did it already [13:01] lo kbmonkey [13:01] * nuvolari munch beestong [13:01] my ma het saamgebring [13:01] yum [13:01] lekker [13:03] beestong? yuck :p [13:03] hehe [13:03] dis lekker man [13:03] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey! [13:04] beter as bees poepol [13:04] ha ha [13:14] Paul Scott... He in the Loco? [13:14] ? [13:15] Just someone I see a lot of comments on in Google + ... so was thinking he might be part of the Loco... [13:16] quite a few names i dont know either. but peeps hide behind nicks normally [13:20] My reason for asking... :) [13:20] hehe [13:20] and maaz dunno either [13:21] Maaz doesn't like me so he woudn't tell in any case [13:21] aw [13:21] maaz likes everyone [13:21] Kilos: What? [13:22] twit bot [13:22] Maaz, whois nlsthzn [13:22] Kilos: What? [13:22] grrr [13:22] lo |3o|3 [13:22] :) [13:23] <|3o|3> hey Kilos, what's up? [13:23] all good ty and there |3o|3 [13:23] everyone is g+ mad [13:23] <|3o|3> Erm... [13:23] <|3o|3> the weather has improved which is good :D [13:23] wish it would improve here [13:24] nights are still too cold [13:24] ans sun only lekker if you out of the wind [13:29] weather is nice here [13:29] not much sun though [13:30] im being summoned to westville, il have to catch up later :] [13:31] go safe === ludo is now known as Guest36050 [15:55] hi ludo [15:55] oh hi Guest36050 [16:01] soooooooooooo [16:01] to buy new car [16:01] or not to buy new car [16:01] this is the question :P [16:01] lol [16:01] (and I been tempted all day but lol, mustttt saveeeee moneyyyyy, but car is sooooo sweet) [16:01] big decision [16:02] haha, impulsive :P I get like this, and lol, will probably end up doing it as well, but will resist the urge for as long as possible [16:02] * Symmetria wants that car :P [16:03] lol [16:04] Symmetria: don't you have a fancy car already? [16:10] heh [16:10] have a 335i [16:10] thinking of replacing it with a 1M [16:11] BMW just came out with that 1M Coupe [16:11] and its soooo pretty [16:13] http://www.bmw.co.za/products/automobiles/m/m1coupe/images.asp# [16:13] look at that, its stunning [16:37] Symmetria: if you really want to buy it, but already have a nice car, still buy it and donate it to charity. problem solved. :P your buy urge is solved [16:37] lol [16:38] and your pocket wont itch anymore [16:39] see, even oom Kilos knows what i mean :P [16:39] lol [16:39] he just wears the wrong make of denims [16:39] needs to get some with tight pockets [16:40] LOL [16:40] I would need to trade in my car to afford it :P [16:40] its kinda stupid expensive :P [16:40] particularly with the extras I want on it [16:40] price Symmetria ? [16:40] with the extras I want? 654k [16:41] ouch [16:41] and I'd be lucky to get like, 375 for my current car :( [16:41] do they lose value so quick [16:41] but lol, there is something really appealing bout a car that can do a thousand meter sprint from standstill in 23.6 seconds [16:41] that one isnt 2 years old yet [16:42] heh, current car wasnt new when I bought it, had 16 thousand on the clock, so it had already lost a lot of value [16:42] I paid 460 for current one [16:42] ah [16:42] Symmetria: if you really need a smart car, get an Audi A6 [16:42] so *shrug* not 2 bad [16:42] nuvolari heh, the A6 isnt *NEARLY* quick enough for me [16:42] my current car does 0-100 in 5.7 [16:42] the 1M can do it in 4.9 [16:43] Symmetria: you have enough money, mod it [16:43] (heh, and my current car is chipped, it does top true speed of 308) [16:43] nuvolari LOL, I'd rather buy the 1M and mod that :P [16:43] lol [16:43] and it's not like you can use that acceleration in ZA without breaking the law [16:43] nuvolari LOL, ummm when it comes to cars, the latter part of that sentence hasnt really made much difference in my life :P [16:44] there are very long stretches of open road where you aint gonna find cops :P [16:44] bmw's are only for windgatte and Symmetria :P [16:44] *cough* [16:44] * nuvolari makes sure Symmetria does'nt know where he stays [16:44] *doesn't [16:44] i know the feeling [16:44] called need for speed [16:44] :P I dont need to know where you stay, I just need to find your IP :P [16:45] LOL kilos, you know the average speed calculator in a car? [16:45] Symmetria: no need to, vodacom already mess up my service [16:45] that if you sitting doing 120 over a long distance normally sits at around 90 odd? [16:45] Symmetria, no? [16:45] * Symmetria looks to see if he has this picture [16:45] i rode bikes for speed [16:45] heh kilos, if your car has an average speed calculator, and you do 500 or 600 kilometers, you're likely to hit an average of around 90 [16:46] if you doing 120 all the way [16:46] oh yes that goodie inna dash [16:46] 16v jetta had one [16:46] https://picasaweb.google.com/Symm001/RandomPictures#5599944946263109954 [16:46] gives ambient temps etc as well [16:46] look closely at that thing :P [16:47] i cant browse at the mo [16:47] heh kilos, 682 kilometers, average speed, 130.5 [16:47] that was going windhoek -> .za border [16:47] thats good [16:47] kilos LOL, I was flying low to do that kinda average speed [16:48] (like 200+) [16:48] yeah [16:48] you dont do bikes? [16:49] much more fun. stretches your arms [16:49] nah, I like fast cars, not fast coffins :) [16:49] lol [16:49] and heh, I do long distance, a bike on long distance isnt exactly pleasant [16:49] (particularly when you talking a thousand kilometers at a time) [16:49] no very tiring [17:23] Night all [17:38] inetpro: Nothing wrong with sending to other media (although you should mention the original tweeter), but on Twitter itself manual resends lose metadata ;-) [17:40] cocooncrash: that's where I do not agree, I don't know the original tweeter and am not aiming to get involved with him or her [17:40] for me it's all about the story which I find interesting [17:42] inetpro: Sure, but I didn't really discover it, someone else injected it into the system and IMHO they should be able to track how/where their content/whatever spreads. [17:43] cocooncrash: well you obviously found it interesting didn't you? And since I know you, in a way, I don't mind choqok adding your name [17:43] that is how it was done on twitter for a very long time [17:44] inetpro: I did, which is why I decided to spread it [17:44] inetpro: But the original RTs were a hack [17:44] says who? [17:44] https://twitter.com/#!/RianVDM/status/89576634432233473 [17:45] See how it tracks who retweeted it, so you can determine the popularity of a post [17:45] Traditional RTs firstly don't allow that to be done easily, and secondly only work up to one level of the chain. [17:45] well I honestly don't really care about the popularity [17:46] and twitter got popular without the retweet function [17:46] api* [17:46] TBF, AFAIK traditional RTs chained the list of tweeters, but that gets out of hand quickly. [17:47] inetpro: Sure, but why can't it be improved? :) [17:47] cocooncrash: well it's definitely not perfect as it is [17:47] Twitter in general? [17:49] cocooncrash: search for "why it's a mistake to use retweet" [17:49] inetpro: Ye, I skimmed that article and mostly disagreed ;-) [17:50] well there are more of those articles [17:51] and I happen to agree with some of the points raised [17:52] but one big reason for me to manually resend is so that the post will automagically appear on facebook [17:52] Fair enough [17:53] inetpro: Does Choqok do Facebook? [17:53] I have had many a post cause a nice unexpected conversation on FB after tweeting it [17:53] or even after a manual resend [17:54] cocooncrash: I doubt [17:54] inetpro: So how do your posts get to FB? [17:54] on FB installed a twitter app if I remember correctly [17:55] night all. keep warm [17:55] and I have researched how to pull in retweets but have not found the solution, yet [17:55] hi Kilos, bye Kilos [17:58] inetpro: I'd argue that that's a bug in the Twitter FB app then [17:58] cocooncrash: and I have thought about breaking the automated link between FB and twitter but I still like the convenience [17:58] Hrm, I wonder if FriendFeed is pushing my tweets to FB... [18:03] the new retweet takes the "social" out of "social media" by eliminating conversation and interaction [18:10] cocooncrash: btw, I really like the new google+ way where I can choose the target audience with every posting [18:43] cocooncrash: it's not a bug, they filter out RTs and directed tweets (e.g. @user foo bar) on purpose [18:43] and i like that [18:43] cause i don't want to overload my FB feed [18:43] generally RTs are something my twitter followers would be far more interested in than my FB friends [19:42] man, I wish du had a -g, instead of having to do du -B 1073741824 [20:01] hmm Symmetria,now that you talk about it, I wish I had a du g+ to see the size of my google+ account :-) [20:02] Symmetria: doesn't du -h do it for you? [20:04] marcog: I agree with you, sometimes it is nice to do a simple retweet just to your twitter followers [20:07] inetpro only if you have less space than X number of terabytes [20:07] otherwise -h shows you terabytes not gigabytes [20:07] which can be annoying [20:07] but you can do -B 1G [20:07] ok [20:08] I guess that can get annoying [20:09] Symmetria: who maitains coreutils? [20:10] http://gnu.org/software/coreutils [20:12] inetpro dunno [20:13] heh inetpro check this: [20:13] http://pastebin.com/mz4F7zGz [20:13] then for more redundancy I used md to do a software mirror on sdc and sde [20:14] yikes [20:15] lol, its pretty :) [20:30] time for more space it seems [20:32] btw, if anyone is looking to buy REALLY nice harddrives [20:32] I recommend these: [20:32] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148619 [20:32] probably the fastest non-SSD disks you're gonna find [20:38] looks like a normal hdd to me with a high price [20:39] Kerbero heh, nah, its got SAS firmware on it [20:39] o ok [20:39] full sync read/write, they are fast as hell :) [20:39] not for normal users then [20:40] for that price i would rather buy a ssd [20:40] heh, I have 3 at home in my home server, my desktops use other disks [20:40] I wouldnt use SSD's for 99% of things [20:40] SSD's have limited number of writes, you can kill those things pretty damn fast :) [20:40] i use hdd's for storage [20:40] and ssd's for os's [20:41] i won't care if i lose my OS [20:41] yeah SSD for operating system works ok, still a lot more expensive than those SAS disks though in terms of price per meg [20:41] even my desktop is symlinked to a hdd [20:41] but if you're only use it for OS you dont need huge space [20:41] exactly [20:41] my netbook only has a ssd [20:42] the chipset can only do 140MB/s [20:42] the ssd about 250 [20:42] a waste of ssd, but nice if you throw the netbook around [20:42] and use it in a car [20:43] I managed to flatline the NIC in mirror.ac.za reading directly off the disks, but thats only because of the numbers of disks it can read off similtaneously with the arrays [20:43] think I peaked it out at about 9.6gigabit/second directly off the disks [20:43] Symmetria: if you have a router in AMS, do you also have a fiber going there? [20:43] Kerbero 10G leased wave from lnd to ams [20:44] ahh ok [20:44] dirt cheap to lease a wave between those 2 [20:44] (like, 2.2k euros a month) [20:44] so theoretically i should be able to get my full 100mbps from groningen to stellenbosch campus? [20:45] Kerbero even without the AMS router you should be able to do that if your tcp window sizes are big enough and if stellenbosch isnt limiting anything [20:45] without even blinking [20:45] ok [20:45] the london router has 30gig of direct internet access attached to it [20:45] i will test that [20:46] and we've tested a udp stream from sweden over the general internet back to .za at over 6 gigabit/second [20:46] do you know of the google server farm in the eems haven? [20:46] right in the north of the netherlands [20:47] never actually seen it, heard of it but not much more than that [20:47] it is located right next to a gas power plant [20:47] heh, google typically doesnt let anyone anywhere near their server farms, or even admit where they are :P [20:47] according to rumours it takes up exacly as much power as the entire groningen cirty [20:47] hehe [20:48] yeah, that was part of the rumour that google doesn;t itz' theirs [20:48] *doen't say [20:48] heh, I only know for a fact where 5 of the google points of presence are, and all 5 arent server farms, they are all african mini-nodes [20:48] (don't ask, I won't be able to tell you where they are haha) [20:48] lol [20:49] is that like you know the ip but don;t know fisically where they are? [20:49] i'm typing very badly now [20:49] :( [20:49] lol, no, I know where they physically are, I'd just be breaking a lot of rules by saying where they are :P [20:49] ahh ok [20:49] btw, stellenbosch going offline later tonighyt [20:49] the one is in bree street [20:49] ok [20:50] if all goes well, it will only be 10 minutes [20:50] thanx for telling [20:50] ok [20:50] if everything goes to hell, it will be a coupla hours :p [20:50] I'm upgrading both joburg routers, the pretoria router and the capetown router (the main provider edge routers) [20:50] reason? [20:50] o ok [20:50] complete with both operating system and line card firmware upgrades [20:50] i heard about that [20:50] router takes anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes to boot [20:51] saw your mail about it a few days ago [20:51] capetown will be last router to be done [20:51] is the OS buggy? [20:51] heh, leaving capetown till last because I got guys in joburg and pretoria on standby if it goes to hell [20:51] versus in capetown I gotta drive myself :P [20:51] Kerbero very at the moment :) [20:51] we're trying to sort out about 28 different bugs we know of in the current code [20:52] so after the upgrade our internet stability should be better [20:52] heh, well, stellenbosch hasnt had a bad stability record from our network point of view [20:52] I'm not sure that any of the bugs being fixed tonight would directly affect stellies [20:52] well, my ping graphs disagree [20:52] *hrm* where have you been pinging? [20:52] telkomsa.net [20:52] google.com [20:52] and [20:53] dealextreme.com [20:53] got graphs I can look at? [20:53] uhm [20:53] i'm not in STB atm [20:53] you will see big jumps in graphs to internationals if we get backbone failures because traffic will reroute [20:53] so instead of going cpt -> plz -> els -> dur -> mtz -> international [20:54] it will go cpt -> bfn -> jnb -> pta -> dur -> mtz -> international [20:54] if i see weird internet latencies in two weeks' time i'll send you graphs [20:54] and the secondary path is a HELL of a lot further [20:54] and the telkom path between capetown and durban on that primary route isnt the most stable of paths [20:54] it probably goes down at least once a week [20:54] (assholes in the eastern cape keep stealing the fiber) [20:54] lol [20:54] n00bs [20:55] anyway :) off to finish movie before the maintenance window [20:55] i wonder if the scrap metal guys actually pay them for the fiber [20:55] cheers Symmetria