[01:09] <ScottL> astraljava, why do you think natty is the worst?  i've not had any problems myself
[01:15] <holstein> its not the best though
[01:15] <holstein> hardy still has my vote :)
[01:25] <ScottL> i don't think that natty is the best, just another release although a little leaner than others, but i don't think of it as the worst
[01:26] <holstein> nah, its not bad at all
[01:26] <holstein> we needed that kernel
[01:26] <holstein> the -lowlatency
[01:26] <holstein> that sucked
[01:57] <ScottL> agreed
[01:57] <ScottL> i should do my test this weekend, if it performs as expected i'll start packaging it, and hopefully persia can help get it into the repos
[01:58] <ScottL> getting the xfce transition sorted i think is the most important at this point though
[02:01] <holstein> we need that kernel for at least a few more cycles
[02:12] <holstein> ScottL: im working on installing xubuntu 11.10 right now
[02:12] <holstein> if i can test that kernel with firewire, let me know how
[03:42] <ScottL> holstein, oh yeah!  that would be awesome because i don't think it's been tested with firewire yet
[03:43] <ScottL> use abagoni's /broken ppa and install the kernel
[03:44] <holstein> im having issues already though
[03:44] <holstein> we'll see
[07:56] <astraljava> ScottL: Mostly because of GNOME. It's unstable.
[07:57] <astraljava> ScottL: Yeah, sorry I came out vague. Nothing from Studio's side made it worse. It's the foundations that suck.
[12:06] <ScottL> astraljava, really?  you are having problems with gnome in natty?
[12:06] <ScottL> i decided to resinstall ubuntustudio on my main machine and went to natty
[12:07] <ScottL> the only issues that i have are sometimes individual applets will not load when logging in, sometimes the trash or the clock or the window list
[12:10] <astraljava> Yeah, applets are really lousy, both loading, and functioning. Also, launching apps won't often honour options (like gnome-terminal refuses to give the geometry I give it to, but rather decides something of its own).
[12:13] <ScottL> hmmmm, thta is crappy
[12:13] <ScottL> i wonder if any of this has to do with the transition to unity
[12:15] <astraljava> ScottL: No, cause I'm using Classic.
[12:19] <jussi> astraljava: are you this end of the country today?
[12:20] <astraljava> jussi: Nope, I'm in Jyväskylä now.
[12:20] <jussi> ok
[12:20] <jussi> BBQ here today, hence I asked
[12:21] <astraljava> Yeah :( Damnit. I might be there next weekend, depending on the packing and moving. Thanks for the invite, though!
[12:27] <astraljava> ScottL: Also, the locale seems to be totally messed up in GNOME. I have every bit of language-support related thing set to en_US.UTF-8, only my keyboard layout is plain Finnish. Still every once in a while some dialog/window pops up with finnish texts.
[12:36] <ScottL> i'm getting very disappointed that cory hasn't responded to the email astraljava :(
[12:36] <ScottL> i'll try poking him in IRC later this morning and see if he's around, i don't think he logged in on friday, i tried to /query him and couldn't
[12:42] <astraljava> ScottL: He's sometimes very busy, let's give him some time. I'm doing some manual merging right now for the desktop file, and I will push to the branch when I get it done. You guys can pull then, and really start the discussion going (I will participate, of course :)
[13:44] <ScottL> astraljava, i seem to remember some discussion about the dekstop file with cory but i may be misremembering it because i didn't really understand it
[13:45] <ScottL> i asked cory if we should be updating the desktop file, his response was no, that doing the other seed would update the desktop seed
[13:45] <ScottL> it certainly seemed counter intuitive to me, however
[13:46] <ScottL> astraljava, it might be better if you and cory worked directly as it seems you are more knowledgeable than i
[13:46] <ScottL> i do have changes i want to make but would rather do them later after the xfce transition is complete
[13:47] <astraljava> ScottL: I don't understand how other seeds would update the desktop seed, but it's rather easy to revert to an earlier commit if mine turns out to blow the whole thing to hell.
[13:47] <ScottL> lol
[13:48] <astraljava> ScottL: But I am really not knowledgeable about the seeds at all.
[13:48] <ScottL> i already told cory that i expect it to blow up :P
[13:48] <astraljava> ScottL: I go by what seems intuitive.
[13:48] <astraljava> ScottL: It most likely will.
[13:49] <astraljava> ScottL: There are so many GNOME 2 dependant packages, I seriously don't understand how it could be left alone.
[13:49] <astraljava> But I'm done soon, and will then upload, so you can take a look.
[13:49] <ScottL> astraljava, i certainly think removing gnome-panel, etc, certainly seems to be the right move
[13:52] <astraljava> ScottL: That's an absolute must, and I believe many of them are, after all, GNOME 2 is removed from the archives, so how _could_ we depend on them? But granted, I have little knowhow about this migration from 2 -> 3.
[14:03] <astraljava> Alright gang, revision 1268 of ubuntustudio.oneiric is up in LP. Go fetch, and discuss/modify/publish/whatever. :D I'll be on spuriously from now, will probably head downtown for dinner and some other action. :D
[14:09] <astraljava> ehh... of course meant sporadically, not spuriously. :D
[14:20] <astraljava> Surprisingly recalled to comment out lashd, as it breaks the installation nowadays. Of course it's not enough, as we have no ladish packages in the audio seed, but it should work now, unless some packages depend on it.
[14:21] <astraljava> Oh, and yeah if you want to make more out of the files, look for my nick in the comments, that should give you a better idea of what was changed and why.
[14:21] <astraljava> That is if you're not used to diff and other development-related tools. I'll of course rip my nick out of there when they're not necessary anymore.
[14:39] <ScottL> if anyone is interested in testing mudita24 (the improved version of envy24control) i have it built in my /build ppa
[14:41] <holstein> im having a challenge getting a stable 11.10 install
[14:58] <astraljava> holstein: That should surprise us... exactly how? :D
[15:00] <holstein> hehe
[15:00] <holstein> well, im trying to update
[15:00] <holstein> upgrade
[15:01] <holstein> i have some issues getting the broadcom wifi up
[15:01] <holstein> figured id just upgrade before troubleshooting
[15:01] <holstein> it takes a *long* time to just apt-get update
[15:01] <ScottL> oh, i should clarify, mudita24 is built for natty
[15:02] <ScottL> and it didn't have a .desktop file for it, i made one locally
[15:02] <holstein> i wiped the natty and maverick installs
[15:02] <ScottL> holstein, you might start with xbuntu 11.10 first
[15:03] <holstein> yeah... thats what im working with
[15:12] <astraljava> ScottL: The source doesn't have one? Crap, it needs to be added to oneiric as well.
[15:12] <holstein> ScottL: do you have any of the GUI settings applied?
[15:13] <astraljava> holstein: What did you use as the base for?
[15:14] <holstein> the xubuntu alpha i know was good
[15:14] <holstein> the install was fine
[15:14] <holstein> i dont know why we got rid of the advanced tab in the installer
[15:15] <holstein> where you get to choose where/if you want GRUB
[15:19] <astraljava> No idea. I always use the alternate installer, unless I'm doing tests.
[15:20] <holstein> me too, but i wanted to install from USB, and see it run live before in installed
[15:22] <charlie-tca> live sessions are broken, aren't they?
[15:22] <holstein> charlie-tca: i have an early alpha image, and the live session worked
[15:22] <charlie-tca> Oh
[15:23] <holstein> im not sure whats going on now though...
[15:23] <charlie-tca> desktop image removed most of the advanced options in natty
[15:23] <holstein> is there a bug for that?
[15:23] <holstein> a wishlist bug?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> The only way to get them now is using the alternate image, as far as I know
[15:23] <astraljava> holstein: You can boot the alternate from USB, too. It makes no difference.
[15:23] <astraljava> Ahh... sorry, didn't read the rest of the line.
[15:23] <astraljava> Silly me. :D
[15:23] <holstein> astraljava: last time i tried, it didnt work
[15:24] <astraljava> holstein: Huh? Really? Never failed on me.
[15:24] <holstein> astraljava: an alternate installer from USB ?
[15:24] <charlie-tca> There might be a bunch of wishlist bugs for those things, but I think most were closed as invalid.
[15:24] <astraljava> holstein: Yes.
[15:24] <holstein> in 10.04, it failed searching for the install media
[15:24] <charlie-tca> The standard response is to use the alternate image to have more control
[15:24] <holstein> astraljava: that was with unet, or the buntu tool
[15:24] <holstein> what did you use?
[15:24] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Most of the wishlist bugs are being closed as invalid. :D
[15:25] <astraljava> holstein: I've used both with considerable success.
[15:25] <holstein> astraljava: since when?
[15:25] <holstein> post 10.04?
[15:25] <astraljava> holstein: Yes.
[15:25] <holstein> i'll try it again then
[20:30] <holstein> d00d
[20:30] <holstein> this update is brutal
[23:49] <holstein> hmmm
[23:49] <holstein> im getting
[23:49] <holstein> The following packages have unmet dependencies: ubuntustudio-audio : Depends: ubuntustudio-generation but it is not going to be installed
[23:49] <holstein> E: Broken packages
[23:51] <holstein> maybe im just late to the party
[23:54] <holstein> im just going to grab jack and ardour so i can test some things